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"Sucking money out of the system. According to the NAO here's how much money was spent on benefits 2011-2012 State retirement pension £74b Housing Benefit £22b Disability Living Allowance £13b State Pension Credit £8b Income Support £7b Attendance Allowence £5b Incapacity Benefit £5b Jobseekers Allowance £5b Council Tax Benefit £5b Other £15b We really need to get them of the pension and into jobs. Why should we have to pay for them to go and drink tea and give money to their grandchildren? (I'm kidding btw, just wanted to prove a point .... Oh the numbers are real btw)"LOL, how many pensioners are there though?  , and good on 'em they did us proud over the years ! | |||
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"Logan's Run   "Do it! Carousel was at 30!! You're all dead! | |||
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"Logan's Run
Do it!
Carousel was at 30!!
You're all dead!"I only look 21....I would be willing to hide Jenny Aguter in my bed though | |||
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"Logan's Run
Do it!
Carousel was at 30!!
You're all dead!"If you get chance, watch In Time. Same concept as Logan's Run http://youtu.be/fdadZ_KrZVw | |||
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"Logan's Run
Do it!
Carousel was at 30!!
You're all dead!
If you get chance, watch In Time. Same concept as Logan's Run
http://youtu.be/fdadZ_KrZVw"Do you get a flash of miss ageurters muff in that too? | |||
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"Sucking money out of the system. According to the NAO here's how much money was spent on benefits 2011-2012 State retirement pension £74b Housing Benefit £22b Disability Living Allowance £13b State Pension Credit £8b Income Support £7b Attendance Allowence £5b Incapacity Benefit £5b Jobseekers Allowance £5b Council Tax Benefit £5b Other £15b We really need to get them of the pension and into jobs. Why should we have to pay for them to go and drink tea and give money to their grandchildren? (I'm kidding btw, just wanted to prove a point .... Oh the numbers are real btw)
LOL, how many pensioners are there though? , and good on 'em they did us proud over the years !"Did they? All of them? There will soon be more of them than us. My private pension is worth diddlysquat. I've already worked longer than many of the current pensioners who were able to retire early. This is so much less of an option now. I don't begrudge pensioners their benefits, just as I don't begrudge it for the unemployed, the underpaid and the disabled. I do begrudge people putting those on benefits into acceptable and unacceptable categories for no good reason. The acceptable category costs us the most and dealing with the current unacceptable category is merely tinkering around the edges. Don't be fooled by the rhetoric around benefit reforms. It's ideological and not financial or even practical in order to reduce our benefits bill. | |||
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"I keep pointing out that the benefits bill has very little to do with unemployed scroungers. Most benefits go to older people (as you show) and on the struggling strivers/deserving poor rather than those scrounging/undeserving poor people using their £70 a week to buy enormous televisions and iPhones." I really do doubt this assertion ffs, £70 a week, less all council rent deductions, where do you think they have the disposable income to afford these? , unless on mega, perhaps undeclared, bucks and benefits?  | |||
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"39 year old, you should have more respect for our pensioners,theyve probably paid more into the system than you,and are bloody well entitled to it." It was clearly tongue in cheek and your post just goes to nicely illustrate my earlier point. | |||
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"Sucking money out of the system. According to the NAO here's how much money was spent on benefits 2011-2012 State retirement pension £74b Housing Benefit £22b Disability Living Allowance £13b State Pension Credit £8b Income Support £7b Attendance Allowence £5b Incapacity Benefit £5b Jobseekers Allowance £5b Council Tax Benefit £5b Other £15b We really need to get them of the pension and into jobs. Why should we have to pay for them to go and drink tea and give money to their grandchildren? (I'm kidding btw, just wanted to prove a point .... Oh the numbers are real btw)
LOL, how many pensioners are there though? , and good on 'em they did us proud over the years !
Did they? All of them? There will soon be more of them than us. My private pension is worth diddlysquat. I've already worked longer than many of the current pensioners who were able to retire early. This is so much less of an option now.
I don't begrudge pensioners their benefits, just as I don't begrudge it for the unemployed, the underpaid and the disabled. I do begrudge people putting those on benefits into acceptable and unacceptable categories for no good reason. The acceptable category costs us the most and dealing with the current unacceptable category is merely tinkering around the edges.
Don't be fooled by the rhetoric around benefit reforms. It's ideological and not financial or even practical in order to reduce our benefits bill.
"I was simply saying thanks to all those who ensured we are here today because of them , sorry I should have made the sentiment clearer to avoid a miss-understanding | |||
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"I keep pointing out that the benefits bill has very little to do with unemployed scroungers. Most benefits go to older people (as you show) and on the struggling strivers/deserving poor rather than those scrounging/undeserving poor people using their £70 a week to buy enormous televisions and iPhones. I really do doubt this assertion ffs, £70 a week, less all council rent deductions, where do you think they have the disposable income to afford these? , unless on mega, perhaps undeclared, bucks and benefits? "think you will find its JSA + other beniftts ie rent paid and council tax paid not detected from the JSA | |||
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"I keep pointing out that the benefits bill has very little to do with unemployed scroungers. Most benefits go to older people (as you show) and on the struggling strivers/deserving poor rather than those scrounging/undeserving poor people using their £70 a week to buy enormous televisions and iPhones. I really do doubt this assertion ffs, £70 a week, less all council rent deductions, where do you think they have the disposable income to afford these? , unless on mega, perhaps undeclared, bucks and benefits? "I don't understand your post. JSA is £72 a week. Yes, housing benefit is paid on top but under the new caps all benefits are rolled together. For someone in London that can mean that their available income is a lot less than £72 a week. Listen to the Food Programme on R4 that was on yesterday about managing food on a budget. Read Patrick Butler's examinations of poverty in this country. Look at my post on wage levels from yesterday. | |||
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"39 year old, you should have more respect for our pensioners,theyve probably paid more into the system than you,and are bloody well entitled to it." not all have.. not talking in any way about those unable or incapable of contributing btw.. | |||
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"I keep pointing out that the benefits bill has very little to do with unemployed scroungers. Most benefits go to older people (as you show) and on the struggling strivers/deserving poor rather than those scrounging/undeserving poor people using their £70 a week to buy enormous televisions and iPhones."  | |||
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"It is odd that benefits for pensioners are not means tested like the others are. My mother is quite well off, no mortgage, lots of ISAs,, my ex's mother is church mouse poor and lives hand to mouth. They both get State Pension and free bus passes, as well as the cold weather payment. Yet when the Govt talk about means testing pensioners there's an uproar. Bear in mind we are not talking about people who fought the Germans any more. We are talking about people born in the 40s and 50s and so haven't done much 'for us' at all." They are untouchable because: 1. They tend to be voters who actually go out and vote 2. We have this "they've earned every penny" mentality 3. We continue to feel that "they fought for our freedoms" So, Lord Sugar gets the same bus pass as my dad, the same winter fuel allowance etc. You and I won't be afforded the same sentiments. We're already consigned to working longer before we get anything and by the time we get it I think it will be means tested. | |||
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"I keep pointing out that the benefits bill has very little to do with unemployed scroungers. Most benefits go to older people (as you show) and on the struggling strivers/deserving poor rather than those scrounging/undeserving poor people using their £70 a week to buy enormous televisions and iPhones. "agreed, and conveniently overlooked when someone wants to justify cuts to genuine folk.. | |||
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"My friend Mark (who is a ninja) said that female OAP's that are in wheel chairs with blankets over their legs are retired mermaids and are not to be trusted." It's to hide their swords silly. | |||
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"It is odd that benefits for pensioners are not means tested like the others are. My mother is quite well off, no mortgage, lots of ISAs,, my ex's mother is church mouse poor and lives hand to mouth. They both get State Pension and free bus passes, as well as the cold weather payment. Yet when the Govt talk about means testing pensioners there's an uproar. Bear in mind we are not talking about people who fought the Germans any more. We are talking about people born in the 40s and 50s and so haven't done much 'for us' at all. They are untouchable because: 1. They tend to be voters who actually go out and vote 2. We have this "they've earned every penny" mentality 3. We continue to feel that "they fought for our freedoms" So, Lord Sugar gets the same bus pass as my dad, the same winter fuel allowance etc. You and I won't be afforded the same sentiments. We're already consigned to working longer before we get anything and by the time we get it I think it will be means tested." | |||
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"It's a well known fact that pensioners eat more chocolate, and save more in building societies than other age groups..keeps you lot in Halifax employed!!" Don't forget the gambling they do. I see them coming out of Bingo, pretending they are only there to speak to their friends and keep the loneliness away. | |||
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"I keep pointing out that the benefits bill has very little to do with unemployed scroungers. Most benefits go to older people (as you show) and on the struggling strivers/deserving poor rather than those scrounging/undeserving poor people using their £70 a week to buy enormous televisions and iPhones.
agreed, and conveniently overlooked when someone wants to justify cuts to genuine folk.."Yeap, so I thought I'd wade in with my usual subtleness | |||
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"Shut up. We gave it in the first place. We don't get anything we haven't paid MORE for." That's not always the case. A few weeks in ICU can wipe out a senior citizen's entire NI/ Income Tax contributions over 40+ years. Not that auld yins are the only heavy users of the NHS. Smokers, drinkers, people who throw themselves off mountains etc all cost money. Add in the children of octogenarian cancer sufferers who insist their Mum/ Dad MUST have the latest £100,000 per month treatment and it's easy to see where the money goes. | |||
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" You and I won't be afforded the same sentiments. We're already consigned to working longer before we get anything and by the time we get it I think it will be means tested." that's a given.. on some of the benefits means testing is not a bad idea, if cost negative.. thing is the 'kids' who are leaving school now ish are the ones who are taking and will take the biggest hit in their lifetimes.. pensioners atm are pretty much ok, think that will change a lot in the first 2 yrs of the next administration.. | |||
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"I keep pointing out that the benefits bill has very little to do with unemployed scroungers. Most benefits go to older people (as you show) and on the struggling strivers/deserving poor rather than those scrounging/undeserving poor people using their £70 a week to buy enormous televisions and iPhones. I really do doubt this assertion ffs, £70 a week, less all council rent deductions, where do you think they have the disposable income to afford these? , unless on mega, perhaps undeclared, bucks and benefits? think you will find its JSA + other beniftts ie rent paid and council tax paid not detected from the JSA"but the rent benefit/council tax is and the government has directed that all housing benefit claimants have a certain amount deducted, be they social or private housing tenants...which means that the amount the Government has said the minimum claimants NEED to live on is reduced by the amount the council have reduced their entitlelement by, that's all I meant | |||
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"It's a well known fact that pensioners eat more chocolate, and save more in building societies than other age groups..keeps you lot in Halifax employed!! Don't forget the gambling they do. I see them coming out of Bingo, pretending they are only there to speak to their friends and keep the loneliness away." It's a well known fact that Yorkshire people don't gamble, especially OAPs..they don't have credit cards, bank cards or even cheque books..they only have 'brass' ie cash..which of course has been hard earned, and it is extremely difficult to separate them from it. | |||
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"For you information I have just done the online beniftts check and based on the information I gave being true apart from I said I was single I would get £178.90 pet week £61.60 JSA £89.00 housing beniftts £18.20 council tax beniftts £ 10.00 other income Total £178.90 " Your maths are wrong!! | |||
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"Shut up. We gave it in the first place. We don't get anything we haven't paid MORE for." Not necessarily, you may have paid very little into the system in the first place ? | |||
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"Pensioners who have smoked,and drank all their days,have been the backbone of our economy,for over forty years. Without them the youngsters of today would have nothing. Oh except for the ability to whinge,and whine,when it's not all about them. Youths a mask but it don't last, the youth of today,would do well to remember this. "Very true, I mean what else would the NHS do if they weren't dealing with wheezing, unhealthy folk. Just because your old don't mean your nice. | |||
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"Pensioners who have smoked,and drank all their days,have been the backbone of our economy,for over forty years. Without them the youngsters of today would have nothing. Oh except for the ability to whinge,and whine,when it's not all about them. Youths a mask but it don't last, the youth of today,would do well to remember this.
Very true, I mean what else would the NHS do if they weren't dealing with wheezing, unhealthy folk.
Just because your old don't mean your nice. "I haven't checked the figures,but I'm willing to bet,it's the sporty healthy feckers who cost the NHS most. New hips,knees,back injuries etc etc,the list is endless. Plus the sporty bastards haven't payed anything back in,unlike the good old smokers,and drinkers. In fact We should start a new campaign, PUT DOWN A SPORTY BASTARD TODAY, ENSURE THE NHS OF TOMORROW. | |||
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"Pensioners who have smoked,and drank all their days,have been the backbone of our economy,for over forty years. Without them the youngsters of today would have nothing. Oh except for the ability to whinge,and whine,when it's not all about them. Youths a mask but it don't last, the youth of today,would do well to remember this.
Very true, I mean what else would the NHS do if they weren't dealing with wheezing, unhealthy folk.
Just because your old don't mean your nice.
I haven't checked the figures,but I'm willing to bet,it's the sporty healthy feckers who cost the NHS most.
New hips,knees,back injuries etc etc,the list is endless.
Plus the sporty bastards haven't payed anything back in,unlike the good old smokers,and drinkers.
In fact We should start a new campaign,
PUT DOWN A SPORTY BASTARD TODAY,
ENSURE THE NHS OF TOMORROW.
"Lol, I wish I could find the words but I don't think you really care as you're probably enjoying yourself. I look forward to my new hip....hope I get a sexy surgeon rummaging inside me !  | |||
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"For you information I have just done the online beniftts check and based on the information I gave being true apart from I said I was single I would get £178.90 pet week £61.60 JSA £89.00 housing beniftts £18.20 council tax beniftts £ 10.00 other income Total £178.90 Your maths are wrong!! "oops silly me should have been £61.70 | |||
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" And anyways, don't begrudge pensionners there cuppas. A few i know need em as they spill half of them anyway. " It beats having to lick your own balls. | |||
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" And anyways, don't begrudge pensionners there cuppas. A few i know need em as they spill half of them anyway. It beats having to lick your own balls." Yer only jealous. | |||
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" And anyways, don't begrudge pensionners there cuppas. A few i know need em as they spill half of them anyway. It beats having to lick your own balls. Yer only jealous. "Of being able to lick your balls? Don't kid yersel'. | |||
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"Pensioners who have smoked,and drank all their days,have been the backbone of our economy,for over forty years. Without them the youngsters of today would have nothing. Oh except for the ability to whinge,and whine,when it's not all about them. Youths a mask but it don't last, the youth of today,would do well to remember this.
Very true, I mean what else would the NHS do if they weren't dealing with wheezing, unhealthy folk.
Just because your old don't mean your nice.
I haven't checked the figures,but I'm willing to bet,it's the sporty healthy feckers who cost the NHS most.
New hips,knees,back injuries etc etc,the list is endless.
Plus the sporty bastards haven't payed anything back in,unlike the good old smokers,and drinkers.
In fact We should start a new campaign,
PUT DOWN A SPORTY BASTARD TODAY,
ENSURE THE NHS OF TOMORROW.
Lol, I wish I could find the words but I don't think you really care as you're probably enjoying yourself.
I look forward to my new hip....hope I get a sexy surgeon rummaging inside me ! " | |||
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"It's a well known fact that pensioners eat more chocolate, and save more in building societies than other age groups..keeps you lot in Halifax employed!! Don't forget the gambling they do. I see them coming out of Bingo, pretending they are only there to speak to their friends and keep the loneliness away. It's a well known fact that Yorkshire people don't gamble, especially OAPs..they don't have credit cards, bank cards or even cheque books..they only have 'brass' ie cash..which of course has been hard earned, and it is extremely difficult to separate them from it." They keep it under their mattresses. | |||
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"It's a well known fact that pensioners eat more chocolate, and save more in building societies than other age groups..keeps you lot in Halifax employed!! Don't forget the gambling they do. I see them coming out of Bingo, pretending they are only there to speak to their friends and keep the loneliness away. It's a well known fact that Yorkshire people don't gamble, especially OAPs..they don't have credit cards, bank cards or even cheque books..they only have 'brass' ie cash..which of course has been hard earned, and it is extremely difficult to separate them from it. They keep it under their mattresses. "They have mattresses????????? Too ****ing good for them. What's wrong with the floor? | |||
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