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4. Call me naive, but surely if someone can walk, run, capable of rational thought, can eat/drink and go to the toilet by themselves can actually work? Therefore money should be cut/stopped if you aren't trying to get work and a certain amount of time has passed. | |||
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"you get what your entitled to, you spend it how you wish, only thing that fucks me off are unemployed people with mobiles/who smoke etc that moan about how are they suppose to pay the new rent and council tax laws if you can afford fags and top ups you can afford the little they ask you words your rent/council tax so stop flipping moaning other than that I don't care " | |||
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House phone "you really are naive if you think anyone on benefits can afford a house 'phone, cigarettes and alcohol? which planet are you on?...you seem to want to "ban" everything, you should have said "sanction benefits" for those that are not ACTIVELY seeking work whilst on JSA., i.e non functioning alcoholics / drug addicts etc.,  , oh and no I am not on benefits of any kind! | |||
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"Landline's are far more expensive, so that would be stupid! "Not really, £12 standard rate. Compare that with mobiles. Data use, calls texts, calls. Granted there are still good deals out there for mobiles. My answer would be pigeon. Feed of the land | |||
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"Landline's are far more expensive, so that would be stupid! "Only expensive when phoning a mobile phone or major company. When phoning house phones is quite cheap. Also it will make people so frustrated they will end up trying harder to get a job. Plus owning just a house phone is cheaper than having a mobile as well as a house phone. | |||
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"So if yer not allowed a phone, how do employers contact you? "The same way as they did before everybody had a mobile glued to their lughole - pen and paper | |||
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"Landline's are far more expensive, so that would be stupid!
Only expensive when phoning a mobile phone or major company. When phoning house phones is quite cheap. Also it will make people so frustrated they will end up trying harder to get a job. Plus owning just a house phone is cheaper than having a mobile as well as a house phone."Please think about things before talking from your rear. My mobile, granted I had to buy it, costs me £10 every 4 to 6 weeks, for this I get, on PAYG, 300 texts, 5,000 minutes to same network, keep my cash credit and I can buy 2 Gb internet access for £5 that last 30 days...how can you justify a landline for someone unfortunate enough to be on a reduced income? | |||
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"So if yer not allowed a phone, how do employers contact you?
House phone "I don't have one!
I've never claimed a cent - I've been fortunate to be in employment all my life so have never been on the other side of the fence - but know a fair bit about the system!
There's several things i'd like to see amended!
The ability for social housing landlords to have access to sky/virgin blocked if tenants are in rent arrears! What's more important? A roof over your head or a few extra (in addition to over 100 free ones!) TV channels?
Those 'seeking' employment that have been claiming over three months to be enrolled in voluntary community work - jobs that councils currently have to perform at a cost (passed on to all through council tax) such as litter picking, removal of graffiti and maintenance of council property and parks.
The new PIP system that replaces DLA should be both fairer and better assessed - as it is 'ability' based rather than 'disablity', much like private healthcare and accident claims. Just because someone cannot do 'a' job doesn't mean they can't do 'any' job.
Child benefit should be scrapped for high earners and the money used to fund childcare places to allow young mums to get back into the employment market.
I could go on - but the main thing is that the culture of dependency needs to be broken - whether that's through tighter controls and monitoring or simply just education - the solution won't be easy!
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"My views are: 1. Get a nutritionist to make a list of what each person should be having daily in their diets. Work that out in money and give them to the families who really are struggling to earn cash because of their disability, etc. 2. Don't let them have any Internet access. Apart from job sites and being able to send emails to search for jobs, etc. 3. Cigarettes, mobile phones should be banned as they are luxuries at the end of the day. Sale goes for alcohol. Although some people can get away with bottle of wine or a few pints now and again. So where do you draw the line on that and how to make sure what you say goes is another thing .
4. Call me naive, but surely if someone can walk, run, capable of rational thought, can eat/drink and go to the toilet by themselves can actually work? Therefore money should be cut/stopped if you aren't trying to get work and a certain amount of time has passed."5. In the summer you are not allowed to own a duvet or jacket 6. Can not own a tv. Thats only for people with money. 7. If your children like drinking orange juice, you must water this down. Only one drink per week. 8. Must only flush toilet once per day. 9. You can only take in 10 breaths per minute. Oxygen isnt for people who dont work | |||
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"Landline's are far more expensive, so that would be stupid!
Only expensive when phoning a mobile phone or major company. When phoning house phones is quite cheap. Also it will make people so frustrated they will end up trying harder to get a job. Plus owning just a house phone is cheaper than having a mobile as well as a house phone.
Please think about things before talking from your rear. My mobile, granted I had to buy it, costs me £10 every 4 to 6 weeks, for this I get, on PAYG, 300 texts, 5,000 minutes to same network, keep my cash credit and I can buy 2 Gb internet access for £5 that last 30 days...how can you justify a landline for someone unfortunate enough to be on a reduced income? "But I'd assume that most potential employers will be on a landline, so they won't be on your mobile network, thus the call will cost you. Also a lot of them will be on 0845 or similar numbers, so your tenner won't go very far. | |||
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"Landline's are far more expensive, so that would be stupid!
Only expensive when phoning a mobile phone or major company. When phoning house phones is quite cheap. Also it will make people so frustrated they will end up trying harder to get a job. Plus owning just a house phone is cheaper than having a mobile as well as a house phone.
Please think about things before talking from your rear. My mobile, granted I had to buy it, costs me £10 every 4 to 6 weeks, for this I get, on PAYG, 300 texts, 5,000 minutes to same network, keep my cash credit and I can buy 2 Gb internet access for £5 that last 30 days...how can you justify a landline for someone unfortunate enough to be on a reduced income? "Yes you get more out of using a mobile. If you don't have a mobile. You wouldn't be texting/ringing a lot of people as yes it costs a lot to make that many calls. If they stop people from having them. People will get bored as they won't chat so much on the phone and they make get a job to keep to stop the boredom. Neither are expensive if you used them for their intended use. | |||
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"Landline's are far more expensive, so that would be stupid!
Only expensive when phoning a mobile phone or major company. When phoning house phones is quite cheap. Also it will make people so frustrated they will end up trying harder to get a job. Plus owning just a house phone is cheaper than having a mobile as well as a house phone.
Please think about things before talking from your rear. My mobile, granted I had to buy it, costs me £10 every 4 to 6 weeks, for this I get, on PAYG, 300 texts, 5,000 minutes to same network, keep my cash credit and I can buy 2 Gb internet access for £5 that last 30 days...how can you justify a landline for someone unfortunate enough to be on a reduced income?
But I'd assume that most potential employers will be on a landline, so they won't be on your mobile network, thus the call will cost you. Also a lot of them will be on 0845 or similar numbers, so your tenner won't go very far."That too | |||
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"So if yer not allowed a phone, how do employers contact you? "I so agree with this. My phone contract is CHEAPER than a pay and go. I'm on a sim only and it costs me £3.75 a month, less than £2 a giro. That's less than seeing my best mate who lives in the same town as me. Should I not see her? | |||
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"Yes there are people out there who take the piss out of the benefit system. But a do hate so called Goode to Shooes who probably have never had to try and live of the benefit system. I my self have worked all my life since I left school at 16. And a year a go I lost my job the company went bust . Been trying to get a job since . Yes I get job seekers and after all the bills are paid I have less than £25 to fead my self for two weeks. So unless you have been there do not tar us all with the same brush "This forum isn't a rant for people on benefits or defending people who are on it. I just asked what people on them should be entitled to. | |||
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"My views are: 1. Get a nutritionist to make a list of what each person should be having daily in their diets. Work that out in money and give them to the families who really are struggling to earn cash because of their disability, etc. 2. Don't let them have any Internet access. Apart from job sites and being able to send emails to search for jobs, etc. 3. Cigarettes, mobile phones should be banned as they are luxuries at the end of the day. Sale goes for alcohol. Although some people can get away with bottle of wine or a few pints now and again. So where do you draw the line on that and how to make sure what you say goes is another thing .
4. Call me naive, but surely if someone can walk, run, capable of rational thought, can eat/drink and go to the toilet by themselves can actually work? Therefore money should be cut/stopped if you aren't trying to get work and a certain amount of time has passed."It seems you missed your own point about ranting then! | |||
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"My views are: 1. Get a nutritionist to make a list of what each person should be having daily in their diets. Work that out in money and give them to the families who really are struggling to earn cash because of their disability, etc. 2. Don't let them have any Internet access. Apart from job sites and being able to send emails to search for jobs, etc. 3. Cigarettes, mobile phones should be banned as they are luxuries at the end of the day. Sale goes for alcohol. Although some people can get away with bottle of wine or a few pints now and again. So where do you draw the line on that and how to make sure what you say goes is another thing .
4. Call me naive, but surely if someone can walk, run, capable of rational thought, can eat/drink and go to the toilet by themselves can actually work? Therefore money should be cut/stopped if you aren't trying to get work and a certain amount of time has passed.
It seems you missed your own point about ranting then!"Not really as I wasn't saying they are all scum or there are genuine cases out there, etc. I just stated on what I think they are entitled to and was wondering what other people thing what they are entitled to. | |||
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" This forum isn't a rant for people on benefits or defending people who are on it. I just asked what people on them should be entitled to." As someone who has been on the dole for a bloody long time, he's what I think people should and shouldn't be entitled to. Everything except fags (i gave up smoking), booze (I don't drink alone anyohw)and iphones (only because I want one ) | |||
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WTF, without small business this company would be on its arse.. Ok I say, can you at least print my CV as I have a interview and just need to update.
"Sorry sir, you have to be a benefit claimant and be on a back to work programme to do things like that.. "
Ok how long will that take..?"
6 Months! 
That's how mad the current system is, I'm stood in a job centre with people who do not speak English have never paid into the system, and they are getting hand outs left right and centre and yet I asked for a cv to be printed and get swamped in red tape.
Needless to say, I was escorted off the premises for my outburst 
It seems if you want to raise yourself you get buried in rules and regs, if you don't care and just sponge it's laid on a plate... | |||
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"So if yer not allowed a phone, how do employers contact you?
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I don't have one!
I've never claimed a cent - I've been fortunate to be in employment all my life so have never been on the other side of the fence - but know a fair bit about the system!
There's several things i'd like to see amended!
The ability for social housing landlords to have access to sky/virgin blocked if tenants are in rent arrears! What's more important? A roof over your head or a few extra (in addition to over 100 free ones!) TV channels?
Those 'seeking' employment that have been claiming over three months to be enrolled in voluntary community work - jobs that councils currently have to perform at a cost (passed on to all through council tax) such as litter picking, removal of graffiti and maintenance of council property and parks.
The new PIP system that replaces DLA should be both fairer and better assessed - as it is 'ability' based rather than 'disablity', much like private healthcare and accident claims. Just because someone cannot do 'a' job doesn't mean they can't do 'any' job.
Child benefit should be scrapped for high earners and the money used to fund childcare places to allow young mums to get back into the employment market.
I could go on - but the main thing is that the culture of dependency needs to be broken - whether that's through tighter controls and monitoring or simply just education - the solution won't be easy! So you want claimants to do the work that council workers do rendering them obsolete.The only way is to pay people a decent wage ..more disposable income equals more spending equals a burgeoning economy ..the only reason the government wont do this is because they have prostituted themselves ..see campaign contributions to big business and are told what to do by large corporations
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"Landline's are far more expensive, so that would be stupid!
Only expensive when phoning a mobile phone or major company. When phoning house phones is quite cheap. Also it will make people so frustrated they will end up trying harder to get a job. Plus owning just a house phone is cheaper than having a mobile as well as a house phone.
Please think about things before talking from your rear. My mobile, granted I had to buy it, costs me £10 every 4 to 6 weeks, for this I get, on PAYG, 300 texts, 5,000 minutes to same network, keep my cash credit and I can buy 2 Gb internet access for £5 that last 30 days...how can you justify a landline for someone unfortunate enough to be on a reduced income?
Yes you get more out of using a mobile. If you don't have a mobile. You wouldn't be texting/ringing a lot of people as yes it costs a lot to make that many calls. If they stop people from having them. People will get bored as they won't chat so much on the phone and they make get a job to keep to stop the boredom. Neither are expensive if you used them for their intended use."If I were to contact a prospective employer ( not likely as I have no need to ) I provide my 'phone number, address and email address, so I would not be calling them, I can write a fairly good letter. perhaps maybe rethink your original post instead of coming back with waffle? 
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" This forum isn't a rant for people on benefits or defending people who are on it. I just asked what people on them should be entitled to." Yeah they always turn I to arguments though lol. Its one of those topics which divide people and its an emotive subject for some. I think the benefits system was spot on. Problem is that peoples attitudes have changed meaning people are no longer ashamed of going on them like they were when they were first introduced. As a result, there are now problems. Its impossible to make a system that is fair to everyone. | |||
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"My daughter has worked and paid tax/NI since the age of 16. She is now 31 and her job ends on Wednesday. She has been applying for weeks with no luck and, for the first time in her life, will have to claim. She doesn't want to but has no choice until she successfully gets a job. She does not drink or smoke. Never has. But is very reliant on the Internet for applying for jobs, entertainment, selling stuff and for her OU degree in English Literature. Is she supposed to forgo this so as to avoid being stigmatised as a feckless layabout? Not everyone on benefits is a scrounger trying to screw the system. She doesn't want to claim. It fills her with horror, the thought of it. But it's that or starve. Thats what the system is for. Too many, as usual, ready to judge from their lofty, perfect soapboxes. " | |||
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"So if yer not allowed a phone, how do employers contact you?
The same way as they did before everybody had a mobile glued to their lughole - pen and paper"Well sorry sweetheart but I can't remember the last time an EMPLOYER bothered to write back, they prefer to phone! | |||
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"My daughter has worked and paid tax/NI since the age of 16. She is now 31 and her job ends on Wednesday. She has been applying for weeks with no luck and, for the first time in her life, will have to claim. She doesn't want to but has no choice until she successfully gets a job. She does not drink or smoke. Never has. But is very reliant on the Internet for applying for jobs, entertainment, selling stuff and for her OU degree in English Literature. Is she supposed to forgo this so as to avoid being stigmatised as a feckless layabout? Not everyone on benefits is a scrounger trying to screw the system. She doesn't want to claim. It fills her with horror, the thought of it. But it's that or starve. Thats what the system is for. Too many, as usual, ready to judge from their lofty, perfect soapboxes. " : | |||
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" This forum isn't a rant for people on benefits or defending people who are on it. I just asked what people on them should be entitled to. Yeah they always turn I to arguments though lol. Its one of those topics which divide people and its an emotive subject for some. I think the benefits system was spot on. Problem is that peoples attitudes have changed meaning people are no longer ashamed of going on them like they were when they were first introduced. As a result, there are now problems. Its impossible to make a system that is fair to everyone. " They should work out was are the basics that people need to live. Such as food/shelter/heat and make sure everyone can cope with the finances of that. Anything else is a luxury and isn't really needed. Obviously times have changed and the Internet is needed to find work, which is wrong. Maybe someone can sort that out . But when you see people going on holidays, having the latest phones and eating junk. That's what needs to be clamped down on. They need to treat everyone differently and not just cut everyone's money as some people need it and some don't. | |||
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"My daughter has worked and paid tax/NI since the age of 16. She is now 31 and her job ends on Wednesday. She has been applying for weeks with no luck and, for the first time in her life, will have to claim. She doesn't want to but has no choice until she successfully gets a job. She does not drink or smoke. Never has. But is very reliant on the Internet for applying for jobs, entertainment, selling stuff and for her OU degree in English Literature. Is she supposed to forgo this so as to avoid being stigmatised as a feckless layabout? Not everyone on benefits is a scrounger trying to screw the system. She doesn't want to claim. It fills her with horror, the thought of it. But it's that or starve. Thats what the system is for. Too many, as usual, ready to judge from their lofty, perfect soapboxes. " | |||
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"So you want claimants to do the work that council workers do rendering them obsolete.The only way is to pay people a decent wage ..more disposable income equals more spending equals a burgeoning economy ..the only reason the government wont do this is because they have prostituted themselves ..see campaign contributions to big business and are told what to do by large corporations " I've pulled out your comments from my previous quote. No - what I suggested is not taking work away from existing council employees. The majority of local authorities and councils are under huge financial pressure due to increased costs to provide local services whilst having had incomes from council tax frozen for several years. The voluntary work I suggested would enable them to complete long overdue work, maintenance and projects - at a significantly reduced cost due to free labour and at a faster pace. Projects that are seen as 'non essential' in terms of priority could be completed whilst people return to work - with those involved receiving higher benefits than those not participating. Your argument re wages is also flawed. Many businesses are under huge financial strain and to force them to increase labour costs would most likely result in one thing - redundancies and reduced workforces. Those that didn't reduce labour costs would pass on the increased burden to the consumer - therefore raising prices and NOT freeing up money to boost the economy. As for the government 'prostituting' themselves to big business? Are the trade unions not the largest donors to a certain party? All party's receive donations and funding - and these days there's actually very little between the policies of them all! | |||
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The same way as they did before everybody had a mobile glued to their lughole - pen and paper
Well sorry sweetheart but I can't remember the last time an EMPLOYER bothered to write back, they prefer to phone! "Or email. All of the jobs my daughter has applied for have been done online. That's the way it is these days. Her last interview was done by phone. No paper or pen was involved at all | |||
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"I agree with above poster. The problem most people who work have is seeing those on benefits driving a dla car, going on holidays, smoking, drinking and having a better life than us. Those people are either doing the double or getting handouts from others. Whst I would like to see is this - if you are out of work you report to your town ventre each day and you get assigned a job. That could br anything from litter picking to gilling a gsp fora pvt company. At the end of the week you get a fair wwage say 2-300 quid. You pay your own way after that - no housing, free meals etc etc. You get money which you will put straight back into ghe economy and you get self respect." Simples! | |||
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" This forum isn't a rant for people on benefits or defending people who are on it. I just asked what people on them should be entitled to. Yeah they always turn I to arguments though lol. Its one of those topics which divide people and its an emotive subject for some. I think the benefits system was spot on. Problem is that peoples attitudes have changed meaning people are no longer ashamed of going on them like they were when they were first introduced. As a result, there are now problems. Its impossible to make a system that is fair to everyone. They should work out was are the basics that people need to live. Such as food/shelter/heat and make sure everyone can cope with the finances of that. Anything else is a luxury and isn't really needed. Obviously times have changed and the Internet is needed to find work, which is wrong. Maybe someone can sort that out . But when you see people going on holidays, having the latest phones and eating junk. That's what needs to be clamped down on. They need to treat everyone differently and not just cut everyone's money as some people need it and some don't. "Perhaps you should do an online Gov Uk benefit entitlement search , enter your income, or an imaginary unemployed persons and see exactly what they will have to live on, especially after all the new deductions for those in social housing, and private housing, this amount is deducted from what the Government say they NEED to live on, so basically it's money Governement has said councils must take away from them, thus depriving them in one way or another, i.e, pay a bill or buy food.! Perhaps you could do this then come back with some more reasonable comments instead of your previous rubbish about banning people from using web etc., ? The system is not, nor ever will be perfect, but I hope as a 26 year old you will not have to rely on the system to feed you in the future and then be ridiculed by people for that. Alas, in this day and age we have so many families having to rely on food banks to exist. That is more disgraceful than some of your comments!  | |||
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"So you want claimants to do the work that council workers do rendering them obsolete.The only way is to pay people a decent wage ..more disposable income equals more spending equals a burgeoning economy ..the only reason the government wont do this is because they have prostituted themselves ..see campaign contributions to big business and are told what to do by large corporations I've pulled out your comments from my previous quote. No - what I suggested is not taking work away from existing council employees. The majority of local authorities and councils are under huge financial pressure due to increased costs to provide local services whilst having had incomes from council tax frozen for several years. The voluntary work I suggested would enable them to complete long overdue work, maintenance and projects - at a significantly reduced cost due to free labour and at a faster pace. Projects that are seen as 'non essential' in terms of priority could be completed whilst people return to work - with those involved receiving higher benefits than those not participating. Your argument re wages is also flawed. Many businesses are under huge financial strain and to force them to increase labour costs would most likely result in one thing - redundancies and reduced workforces. Those that didn't reduce labour costs would pass on the increased burden to the consumer - therefore raising prices and NOT freeing up money to boost the economy. As for the government 'prostituting' themselves to big business? Are the trade unions not the largest donors to a certain party? All party's receive donations and funding - and these days there's actually very little between the policies of them all! " Interesting and you obviously have working knowledge. Pay people to work - ie do something, not necessarily taking away regular council work, snd they get a 'decent' wage for it to spend as they chose. No housing benefit, or any other benefit. They get self esteem, work experience etc. Would there be reduced health costs? Reduced red tape? | |||
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"So you want claimants to do the work that council workers do rendering them obsolete.The only way is to pay people a decent wage ..more disposable income equals more spending equals a burgeoning economy ..the only reason the government wont do this is because they have prostituted themselves ..see campaign contributions to big business and are told what to do by large corporations I've pulled out your comments from my previous quote. No - what I suggested is not taking work away from existing council employees. The majority of local authorities and councils are under huge financial pressure due to increased costs to provide local services whilst having had incomes from council tax frozen for several years. The voluntary work I suggested would enable them to complete long overdue work, maintenance and projects - at a significantly reduced cost due to free labour and at a faster pace. Projects that are seen as 'non essential' in terms of priority could be completed whilst people return to work - with those involved receiving higher benefits than those not participating. Your argument re wages is also flawed. Many businesses are under huge financial strain and to force them to increase labour costs would most likely result in one thing - redundancies and reduced workforces. Those that didn't reduce labour costs would pass on the increased burden to the consumer - therefore raising prices and NOT freeing up money to boost the economy. As for the government 'prostituting' themselves to big business? Are the trade unions not the largest donors to a certain party? All party's receive donations and funding - and these days there's actually very little between the policies of them all! " Meanwhile....everyone gets to use unemployed people as free slaves?
Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation! | |||
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"more rigorous assessments to get benefits i think ive been on both jsa and esa esa due to health problems physically and mentally and also they need to offer u more help maybe could give the chavs vocuchers so they dont actually get any cash to spend on drink n drugs" ah right so what do the vouchers buy ? Because like anything else they will sell them on to feed their habit | |||
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Well sorry sweetheart but I can't remember the last time an EMPLOYER bothered to write back, they prefer to phone! "Really? 17 years ago, when I moved cities, I wrote (by hand) over 100 letters. Had 4 replies in total. No phone calls. We kept a list of the firms I wrote to, but our (17 year old) son doesn't believe me | |||
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"So you want claimants to do the work that council workers do rendering them obsolete.The only way is to pay people a decent wage ..more disposable income equals more spending equals a burgeoning economy ..the only reason the government wont do this is because they have prostituted themselves ..see campaign contributions to big business and are told what to do by large corporations I've pulled out your comments from my previous quote. No - what I suggested is not taking work away from existing council employees. The majority of local authorities and councils are under huge financial pressure due to increased costs to provide local services whilst having had incomes from council tax frozen for several years. The voluntary work I suggested would enable them to complete long overdue work, maintenance and projects - at a significantly reduced cost due to free labour and at a faster pace. Projects that are seen as 'non essential' in terms of priority could be completed whilst people return to work - with those involved receiving higher benefits than those not participating. Your argument re wages is also flawed. Many businesses are under huge financial strain and to force them to increase labour costs would most likely result in one thing - redundancies and reduced workforces. Those that didn't reduce labour costs would pass on the increased burden to the consumer - therefore raising prices and NOT freeing up money to boost the economy. As for the government 'prostituting' themselves to big business? Are the trade unions not the largest donors to a certain party? All party's receive donations and funding - and these days there's actually very little between the policies of them all! Meanwhile....everyone gets to use unemployed people as free slaves?
Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!"i agree there all eton educated bum boys with botox foreheads ...you are spouting right wing propaganda instigated by corporate moguls ..there has to be an idealogical change where everyone is entiteled to a fairer peice of the pie ...obseesion with profit has proven not to work and as an ex business man i paid a highercwage than my competitors and that works and makes fiscal sense | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!"You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too | |||
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" This forum isn't a rant for people on benefits or defending people who are on it. I just asked what people on them should be entitled to. Yeah they always turn I to arguments though lol. Its one of those topics which divide people and its an emotive subject for some. I think the benefits system was spot on. Problem is that peoples attitudes have changed meaning people are no longer ashamed of going on them like they were when they were first introduced. As a result, there are now problems. Its impossible to make a system that is fair to everyone. They should work out was are the basics that people need to live. Such as food/shelter/heat and make sure everyone can cope with the finances of that. Anything else is a luxury and isn't really needed. Obviously times have changed and the Internet is needed to find work, which is wrong. Maybe someone can sort that out . But when you see people going on holidays, having the latest phones and eating junk. That's what needs to be clamped down on. They need to treat everyone differently and not just cut everyone's money as some people need it and some don't.
Perhaps you should do an online Gov Uk benefit entitlement search , enter your income, or an imaginary unemployed persons and see exactly what they will have to live on, especially after all the new deductions for those in social housing, and private housing, this amount is deducted from what the Government say they NEED to live on, so basically it's money Governement has said councils must take away from them, thus depriving them in one way or another, i.e, pay a bill or buy food.!
Perhaps you could do this then come back with some more reasonable comments instead of your previous rubbish about banning people from using web etc., ?
The system is not, nor ever will be perfect, but I hope as a 26 year old you will not have to rely on the system to feed you in the future and then be ridiculed by people for that.
Alas, in this day and age we have so many families having to rely on food banks to exist. That is more disgraceful than some of your comments! "How are my comments disgraceful? All I asked was "what should people be entitled to if on benefits and if they have worked beforehand should they get more benefits?". Haven't exactly slated anyone have I | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too"That's assuming that they have put nothing in in the first place. My daughter has paid tax/NI for 15 years. She would only be claiming what she's already contributed. | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too
That's assuming that they have put nothing in in the first place. My daughter has paid tax/NI for 15 years. She would only be claiming what she's already contributed."Yes the system will work for your daughter. It is very right that the gov support her as she seeks employment | |||
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"My views are: 4. Call me naive, but surely if someone can walk, run, capable of rational thought, can eat/drink and go to the toilet by themselves can actually work? Therefore money should be cut/stopped if you aren't trying to get work and a certain amount of time has passed." YOU are naive. I have been on crutches for nearly 8 months, still waiting on my surgery date and will be up to a year recovery. YET, DWP have declared I am fit to work, because I can sit in a chair for 10 minutes and I have an educated head about me. My ESA got stopped 9 weeks ago and I have been living on fresh air and the the help of family and friends. I would love to be be back working, but cannot get on buses without help and certainly cannot afford taxi's twice a day. as to our point 1. I eat healthily, not a sweet/chocolate lover but due to my accident have gone down to 6st 4lb. I can walk (about 50 yrd with the aid of crutches) Point 3. Mobiles and internet acces.. sometimes that is the only point of contact that people have with the outside world... You would deny that? | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too
That's assuming that they have put nothing in in the first place. My daughter has paid tax/NI for 15 years. She would only be claiming what she's already contributed.
Yes the system will work for your daughter. It is very right that the gov support her as she seeks employment"ah so she will get her £72 a week JSA, and she fully deserves it | |||
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You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too"So who was I slaving for, with 2 jobs for 23yrs??? | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too
That's assuming that they have put nothing in in the first place. My daughter has paid tax/NI for 15 years. She would only be claiming what she's already contributed.
Yes the system will work for your daughter. It is very right that the gov support her as she seeks employment ah so she will get her £72 a week JSA, and she fully deserves it"Thing is that due to current attitudes to claimants she does not feel that way. | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too"so how many hrs a week would you like them too work ? | |||
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"DWP have declared I am fit to work," My brother has severe Bi Polar issues. He went from being a nutter to being normal in the space of 2 assesments | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too
That's assuming that they have put nothing in in the first place. My daughter has paid tax/NI for 15 years. She would only be claiming what she's already contributed.
Yes the system will work for your daughter. It is very right that the gov support her as she seeks employment ah so she will get her £72 a week JSA, and she fully deserves it
Thing is that due to current attitudes to claimants she does not feel that way. "now that's because she has worked all of her adult life, when she goes to sign on, they what's the point of rolling out the carpet for her she won't be claiming for long, she will find a job | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too so how many hrs a week would you like them too work ?"I don't know the answer. My view was ratherthan give somsomeone a label as on benefits, give them some job/any job that would pay a fair wage and create experience and some self esteem and would benefit the local community both by what they do and what they spend after a week's work | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too so how many hrs a week would you like them too work ?
I don't know the answer. My view was ratherthan give somsomeone a label as on benefits, give them some job/any job that would pay a fair wage and create experience and some self esteem and would benefit the local community both by what they do and what they spend after a week's work "If it was that easy to just give out jobs then we'd have 0% unemployment. | |||
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" This forum isn't a rant for people on benefits or defending people who are on it. I just asked what people on them should be entitled to. Yeah they always turn I to arguments though lol. Its one of those topics which divide people and its an emotive subject for some. I think the benefits system was spot on. Problem is that peoples attitudes have changed meaning people are no longer ashamed of going on them like they were when they were first introduced. As a result, there are now problems. Its impossible to make a system that is fair to everyone. They should work out was are the basics that people need to live. Such as food/shelter/heat and make sure everyone can cope with the finances of that. Anything else is a luxury and isn't really needed. Obviously times have changed and the Internet is needed to find work, which is wrong. Maybe someone can sort that out . But when you see people going on holidays, having the latest phones and eating junk. That's what needs to be clamped down on. They need to treat everyone differently and not just cut everyone's money as some people need it and some don't.
Perhaps you should do an online Gov Uk benefit entitlement search , enter your income, or an imaginary unemployed persons and see exactly what they will have to live on, especially after all the new deductions for those in social housing, and private housing, this amount is deducted from what the Government say they NEED to live on, so basically it's money Governement has said councils must take away from them, thus depriving them in one way or another, i.e, pay a bill or buy food.!
Perhaps you could do this then come back with some more reasonable comments instead of your previous rubbish about banning people from using web etc., ?
The system is not, nor ever will be perfect, but I hope as a 26 year old you will not have to rely on the system to feed you in the future and then be ridiculed by people for that.
Alas, in this day and age we have so many families having to rely on food banks to exist. That is more disgraceful than some of your comments!
How are my comments disgraceful? All I asked was "what should people be entitled to if on benefits and if they have worked beforehand should they get more benefits?". Haven't exactly slated anyone have I
Yes you have, no-one directly but a whole section of our unfortunate society, indirectly."Your original post said "No rants" yet you started ranting in it, and you wanted in posts to ban people from having web access except for job hunting etc., and banning them from smoking or drinking, very fascist to me , perhaps you need to re-read what you posted and then understand the offence you cause, as I said before, stop trying to ban others whom you have no knowledege of! and I do hope you live to see more liberal times and meet understanding people because in the future it may well be that if you have to rely on benefits you will find it a very harsh world indeed
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too
That's assuming that they have put nothing in in the first place. My daughter has paid tax/NI for 15 years. She would only be claiming what she's already contributed.
Yes the system will work for your daughter. It is very right that the gov support her as she seeks employment ah so she will get her £72 a week JSA, and she fully deserves it
Thing is that due to current attitudes to claimants she does not feel that way. now that's because she has worked all of her adult life, when she goes to sign on, they what's the point of rolling out the carpet for her she won't be claiming for long, she will find a job"Don't understand the red carpet comment. | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too so how many hrs a week would you like them too work ?
I don't know the answer. My view was ratherthan give somsomeone a label as on benefits, give them some job/any job that would pay a fair wage and create experience and some self esteem and would benefit the local community both by what they do and what they spend after a week's work
If it was that easy to just give out jobs then we'd have 0% unemployment. "They wouldn't be ongoing jobs -as already said they would be litter graffiti event staffing or filling in for a short term pvt contract | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too so how many hrs a week would you like them too work ?
I don't know the answer. My view was ratherthan give somsomeone a label as on benefits, give them some job/any job that would pay a fair wage and create experience and some self esteem and would benefit the local community both by what they do and what they spend after a week's work
If it was that easy to just give out jobs then we'd have 0% unemployment.
They wouldn't be ongoing jobs -as already said they would be litter graffiti event staffing or filling in for a short term pvt contract"But those are already ongoing jobs done by people on a permanent basis. | |||
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You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too so how many hrs a week would you like them too work ?
I don't know the answer. My view was ratherthan give somsomeone a label as on benefits, give them some job/any job that would pay a fair wage and create experience and some self esteem and would benefit the local community both by what they do and what they spend after a week's work "so you want companies or local authorities to create jobs, well I think if it was that easy they would | |||
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Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too so how many hrs a week would you like them too work ?
I don't know the answer. My view was ratherthan give somsomeone a label as on benefits, give them some job/any job that would pay a fair wage and create experience and some self esteem and would benefit the local community both by what they do and what they spend after a week's work
If it was that easy to just give out jobs then we'd have 0% unemployment.
They wouldn't be ongoing jobs -as already said they would be litter graffiti event staffing or filling in for a short term pvt contract
But those are already ongoing jobs done by people on a permanent basis."Not in my town. In any case it wouldnt really cost much more than it does now. The money paid out would all come back in form of taxes anyway | |||
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You see it's that sort of comment that makes me feel like saying ' I slave for you 6 days a week'. I know thats wrong but I think those on benefit should give back too
That's assuming that they have put nothing in in the first place. My daughter has paid tax/NI for 15 years. She would only be claiming what she's already contributed.
Yes the system will work for your daughter. It is very right that the gov support her as she seeks employment ah so she will get her £72 a week JSA, and she fully deserves it
Thing is that due to current attitudes to claimants she does not feel that way. now that's because she has worked all of her adult life, when she goes to sign on, they what's the point of rolling out the carpet for her she won't be claiming for long, she will find a job
Don't understand the red carpet comment. "what I mean is because she has just lost her job and the fact she has worked all her adult life, those working in the job centre are too busy trying to get the long term unemployed into work, and as she has the right attitude to work, they feel she will find a job in know time at all, so they tend not to worry about her | |||
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"Going by this thread everyone agrees that everyone should get the same luxuries out of life. Regardless if you have worked all your life, most of it and lost your job due to illness or got made redundant or if you conned the system "These days internet access is not a luxury. As I said in a previous post, it is an important tool in many ways. | |||
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"Going by this thread everyone agrees that everyone should get the same luxuries out of life. Regardless if you have worked all your life, most of it and lost your job due to illness or got made redundant or if you conned the system "Are you reading your own post? | |||
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"............... 1. What should be the minimum things someone on benefits should have and what shouldn't they have at all? ..........." The first and most important thing to get right is housing. Without a safe and secure roof over your head, finding work - which is presumably the object of the exercise - is almost impossible. | |||
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Thats what i was thinking and what if a phone is your only means of contact especially in an emergency? "FFs think about it they would use Carrier Pigeon | |||
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"surely in this age of technology, any benefits could be given to someone in the form of a type of debit card, which can only be used for specific non wasteful products. For instance, your sainsbury's loyalty card system currently stops people claiming points on cigarettes and baby milk. surely if companies/suppliers get together they can make a system that stops people buying unnecessary items using their benefits. ok they maybe able to sell them, but it's doubtful it will that much of a profit earner for them. When I was out of work I had to claim and it's soul destroying, particularly at the job centre, who are so unhelpful and ignorant. They tar everyone with the same brush. They insist on punctuality yet are incapable of keeping to their own appointments. The job centre search computers are next to useless and suggested jobs 300 miles away! I'm currently employed with a company that deals directly with people on the social and Unfortunately many are blatantly taking the piss and who can blame them, how they get away with it is beyond me. It's the genuine hard working and job seeking people I feel sorry for. We get very little credit or help and we are worst off for it. These are the people that need the help. It's pretty clear who the ones are that are taking the piss and it's the others who suffer" na they would still get round that so they can get their hands in cash | |||
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"As I have quoted many times before there are those that want to work and those that don't, and know mater what the Government try to do, those that don't want to work never will and that's a fact"
My brothers ex is one of those that will never work.... Pops out a fresh kid every couple of years, am not bothered as such other than both me & hubby are self employed & can work over 60hr weeks yet only just got around to buying our kids a ps3 last year, where as they have top branded mobiles, laptops. & plasma televisions | |||
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"So you want claimants to do the work that council workers do rendering them obsolete.The only way is to pay people a decent wage ..more disposable income equals more spending equals a burgeoning economy ..the only reason the government wont do this is because they have prostituted themselves ..see campaign contributions to big business and are told what to do by large corporations I've pulled out your comments from my previous quote. No - what I suggested is not taking work away from existing council employees. The majority of local authorities and councils are under huge financial pressure due to increased costs to provide local services whilst having had incomes from council tax frozen for several years. The voluntary work I suggested would enable them to complete long overdue work, maintenance and projects - at a significantly reduced cost due to free labour and at a faster pace. Projects that are seen as 'non essential' in terms of priority could be completed whilst people return to work - with those involved receiving higher benefits than those not participating. Your argument re wages is also flawed. Many businesses are under huge financial strain and to force them to increase labour costs would most likely result in one thing - redundancies and reduced workforces. Those that didn't reduce labour costs would pass on the increased burden to the consumer - therefore raising prices and NOT freeing up money to boost the economy. As for the government 'prostituting' themselves to big business? Are the trade unions not the largest donors to a certain party? All party's receive donations and funding - and these days there's actually very little between the policies of them all! Meanwhile....everyone gets to use unemployed people as free slaves?
Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!"Sorry - been busy working!! Free slaves? No. I'm not suggesting creating a new bargain basement workforce open to private companies at all. Merely that those receiving support whilst looking for work should, in my opinion, in the gaps between applications, interviews and assessments be expected to 'give back' to the system that supports them by assisting local governments and councils in work that aids the community and society as a whole. Those actively seeking work will perform less of this and will hopefully be back in full time employment sooner rather than later. Those not 'playing fair' and putting in the right effort would end up doing more. And they would be getting paid - as I suggested - those participating would receive increased benefits whilst those content to sit at home rather than join in or put extra effort into getting back into work would receive what they do now! As for the 'entitled to be paid for labour' comment - I agree! But entitled to financial support whilst not actively seeking work or making good use of their skills? I don't think so. And I've far more sympathy for those that, as others have stated, have contributed for many years and lost jobs than those 3rd generation benefit claimants who see themselves as doing nothing wrong and that society owes them everything! | |||
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"As I have quoted many times before there are those that want to work and those that don't, and know mater what the Government try to do, those that don't want to work never will and that's a fact
My brothers ex is one of those that will never work.... Pops out a fresh kid every couple of years, am not bothered as such other than both me & hubby are self employed & can work over 60hr weeks yet only just got around to buying our kids a ps3 last year, where as they have top branded mobiles, laptops. & plasma televisions "best you start knocking more kids out then | |||
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"So you want claimants to do the work that council workers do rendering them obsolete.The only way is to pay people a decent wage ..more disposable income equals more spending equals a burgeoning economy ..the only reason the government wont do this is because they have prostituted themselves ..see campaign contributions to big business and are told what to do by large corporations I've pulled out your comments from my previous quote. No - what I suggested is not taking work away from existing council employees. The majority of local authorities and councils are under huge financial pressure due to increased costs to provide local services whilst having had incomes from council tax frozen for several years. The voluntary work I suggested would enable them to complete long overdue work, maintenance and projects - at a significantly reduced cost due to free labour and at a faster pace. Projects that are seen as 'non essential' in terms of priority could be completed whilst people return to work - with those involved receiving higher benefits than those not participating. Your argument re wages is also flawed. Many businesses are under huge financial strain and to force them to increase labour costs would most likely result in one thing - redundancies and reduced workforces. Those that didn't reduce labour costs would pass on the increased burden to the consumer - therefore raising prices and NOT freeing up money to boost the economy. As for the government 'prostituting' themselves to big business? Are the trade unions not the largest donors to a certain party? All party's receive donations and funding - and these days there's actually very little between the policies of them all! Meanwhile....everyone gets to use unemployed people as free slaves?
Ehh...? I don't think so, I'm entitled to expect paid for my labour the same as anyone else! That's in the working mans legislation!
Sorry - been busy working!!
Free slaves? No. I'm not suggesting creating a new bargain basement workforce open to private companies at all. Merely that those receiving support whilst looking for work should, in my opinion, in the gaps between applications, interviews and assessments be expected to 'give back' to the system that supports them by assisting local governments and councils in work that aids the community and society as a whole.
Those actively seeking work will perform less of this and will hopefully be back in full time employment sooner rather than later. Those not 'playing fair' and putting in the right effort would end up doing more.
And they would be getting paid - as I suggested - those participating would receive increased benefits whilst those content to sit at home rather than join in or put extra effort into getting back into work would receive what they do now!
As for the 'entitled to be paid for labour' comment - I agree! But entitled to financial support whilst not actively seeking work or making good use of their skills? I don't think so.
And I've far more sympathy for those that, as others have stated, have contributed for many years and lost jobs than those 3rd generation benefit claimants who see themselves as doing nothing wrong and that society owes them everything! "ah but your so wrong, they do give back, it's those ppl that pay the barmaids wages through the day | |||
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"............... 1. What should be the minimum things someone on benefits should have and what shouldn't they have at all? ........... The first and most important thing to get right is housing. Without a safe and secure roof over your head, finding work - which is presumably the object of the exercise - is almost impossible." People are now under threat of being evicted by councils (under occupation payments) Now as I understand things, when you become homeless you automatically become a priority, especially when it is the same council that evicted you for rent arrears. This would obviously mean that council couldn't rehouse you into a smaller home. The local authority can't rehouse you into a property with a monthly rent that any housing benefit wouldn't cover, eventually you would become, yet again, homeless. This is leading to people being offered housing in areas with lower rents ie, a family losing a home in London are being offered private housing in the midlands area. Leaving them isolated from friends and family with even less chance of finding employment in certain areas of the country. | |||
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"surely in this age of technology, any benefits could be given to someone in the form of a type of debit card, which can only be used for specific non wasteful products. For instance, your sainsbury's loyalty card system currently stops people claiming points on cigarettes and baby milk. surely if companies/suppliers get together they can make a system that stops people buying unnecessary items using their benefits. ok they maybe able to sell them, but it's doubtful it will that much of a profit earner for them. When I was out of work I had to claim and it's soul destroying, particularly at the job centre, who are so unhelpful and ignorant. They tar everyone with the same brush. They insist on punctuality yet are incapable of keeping to their own appointments. The job centre search computers are next to useless and suggested jobs 300 miles away! I'm currently employed with a company that deals directly with people on the social and Unfortunately many are blatantly taking the piss and who can blame them, how they get away with it is beyond me. It's the genuine hard working and job seeking people I feel sorry for. We get very little credit or help and we are worst off for it. These are the people that need the help. It's pretty clear who the ones are that are taking the piss and it's the others who suffer na they would still get round that so they can get their hands in cash" pretty difficult if they can have their account itemised, and have to justify unusual expenditure | |||
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My brothers ex is one of those that will never work.... Pops out a fresh kid every couple of years, am not bothered as such other than both me & hubby are self employed & can work over 60hr weeks yet only just got around to buying our kids a ps3 last year, where as they have top branded mobiles, laptops. & plasma televisions best you start knocking more kids out then "Haha! Three is more than enough | |||
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"surely in this age of technology, any benefits could be given to someone in the form of a type of debit card, which can only be used for specific non wasteful products. For instance, your sainsbury's loyalty card system currently stops people claiming points on cigarettes and baby milk. surely if companies/suppliers get together they can make a system that stops people buying unnecessary items using their benefits. ok they maybe able to sell them, but it's doubtful it will that much of a profit earner for them. When I was out of work I had to claim and it's soul destroying, particularly at the job centre, who are so unhelpful and ignorant. They tar everyone with the same brush. They insist on punctuality yet are incapable of keeping to their own appointments. The job centre search computers are next to useless and suggested jobs 300 miles away! I'm currently employed with a company that deals directly with people on the social and Unfortunately many are blatantly taking the piss and who can blame them, how they get away with it is beyond me. It's the genuine hard working and job seeking people I feel sorry for. We get very little credit or help and we are worst off for it. These are the people that need the help. It's pretty clear who the ones are that are taking the piss and it's the others who suffer na they would still get round that so they can get their hands in cash pretty difficult if they can have their account itemised, and have to justify unusual expenditure" itemised for what they have bought at their local supermarket, if that's what you mean it's dead easy get list of what person requires do the shopping take it home they pay you and you hand over the shopping how is that difficult | |||
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My brothers ex is one of those that will never work.... Pops out a fresh kid every couple of years, am not bothered as such other than both me & hubby are self employed & can work over 60hr weeks yet only just got around to buying our kids a ps3 last year, where as they have top branded mobiles, laptops. & plasma televisions best you start knocking more kids out then
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"TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC OP POST I have been self employed since I was 30. I have no objection to my taxes being used for registered disabled the elderly n infirm n for the healthy actively seeking work We live in a civilized society n I believe as 'society' it includes everyone therefore the strong have a moral responsibility to give some nurturing n succour to the weaker I would take no joy from seeing people homeless, sleeping rough n starving in towns,villages n cities Therefore people who cannot care for themselves should receive a Benefit that gives them at least food, acceptable accommodation and a sense of some dignity" your so so nice can I be your friend | |||
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"TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC OP POST I have been self employed since I was 30. I have no objection to my taxes being used for registered disabled the elderly n infirm n for the healthy actively seeking work We live in a civilized society n I believe as 'society' it includes everyone therefore the strong have a moral responsibility to give some nurturing n succour to the weaker I would take no joy from seeing people homeless, sleeping rough n starving in towns,villages n cities Therefore people who cannot care for themselves should receive a Benefit that gives them at least food, acceptable accommodation and a sense of some dignity your so so nice can I be your friend "Oh yes lol - u can never have tooooooooany friends  | |||
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"not sure you can take in a lodger while your on beniftts with out it effecting you money" And why shouldn't it? Income is income isn't it? | |||
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"There is not enough housing stock for families to down size, so until its sorted out I think it's unfair to make them pay bedroom tax its not a tax, it's a reduction in housing benefit. But I do agree about the problems with one bed places, although I don't remember the big rush of people looking for smaller places when they knew this was to be implemented. and they're is nothing to stop them getting a lodger. not sure you can take in a lodger while your on beniftts with out it effecting you money" that's just a matter of adjusting the income from the reduction in benefits | |||
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"Has anyone considered that it is often Tory policy to have a wealth of unemployed? It was part of Thatchers economic policy - blatantly and deliberately. It meant that the control was held more by Capital (business) and wages could be driven down. Bugger the poor sods at the bottom of the pile. And to frighten them and shut them up, vilify them as scroungers in the media. It was, as I say, deliberately done. And it led to a large unemployed underclass. Now 30 years later we have the generationally unemployed. And the present government does nothing but add to it whilst again attacking them so they can cut benefits. We all add to this demonising them and so make it easy for the Tories to reduce people to abject penury. Then they are a pliant potential cheap labour force with little to no power. Is Society here to service Business or should Business be serving Society?" well you could say the same about companies who are willing to pay workers cash in hand rather than put them through the books, and I would hate to guess how many do that | |||
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"Landline's are far more expensive, so that would be stupid!
Only expensive when phoning a mobile phone or major company. When phoning house phones is quite cheap. Also it will make people so frustrated they will end up trying harder to get a job. Plus owning just a house phone is cheaper than having a mobile as well as a house phone."My contract is £10 a month. I never use the landline. | |||
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Only expensive when phoning a mobile phone or major company. When phoning house phones is quite cheap. Also it will make people so frustrated they will end up trying harder to get a job. Plus owning just a house phone is cheaper than having a mobile as well as a house phone.
My contract is £10 a month. I never use the landline."snap we never use the house phone, infact we never answer it either | |||
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"Has anyone considered that it is often Tory policy to have a wealth of unemployed? It was part of Thatchers economic policy - blatantly and deliberately. It meant that the control was held more by Capital (business) and wages could be driven down. Bugger the poor sods at the bottom of the pile. And to frighten them and shut them up, vilify them as scroungers in the media. It was, as I say, deliberately done. And it led to a large unemployed underclass. Now 30 years later we have the generationally unemployed. And the present government does nothing but add to it whilst again attacking them so they can cut benefits. We all add to this demonising them and so make it easy for the Tories to reduce people to abject penury. Then they are a pliant potential cheap labour force with little to no power. Is Society here to service Business or should Business be serving Society?"
With future industrial technologies there will be even less work places available. People today seem to forget all the jobs that have been lost to advances, unavoidable I know.
People here may not have been touched by unemployment during their working lifetime, but as sure as eggs are eggs, their children will be.
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" If you keep telling people they are worthless, they will eventually think they are and some of these posts are suggesting to do just that. We think we are lucky to be in a good position in life, but anything could happen in the future and to be thought of as spongers if we needed help at some point would really piss me off after paying in for years. Some people live in a bubble "This..... | |||
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"A little info on immigration figures 1997-2010..... Anyone who truly believes that the UK was the only EU nation who saw mass immigration during the Blair/Brown years is simply living in denial. Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Portugal and every other EU nation West of Poland saw a massive increase in immigrants. Don't be fooled by Tory spin....it's a Western European problem." Is it a problem? | |||
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" Who are these millions and where did they arrive from? Hello Onny Why would one be wrong; are you saying there was nil net immigration between 1997 and 2010 or alternatively that all net immigration in that period had private accomodations? That's part of the situation, even the Government and all its agencies dont know. " The legal immigration has been as a result of EU treaties. Who took Britain into the EU? Ted Heath. You can't get local authority/ registered social landlord if you're an illegal immigrant. Where this is circumvented it's most often done by Rachman type landlords. BTW. The biggest %age of people on the statistics as 'immigrants' are overseas students - who aren't immigrants at all. | |||
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"A little info on immigration figures 1997-2010..... Anyone who truly believes that the UK was the only EU nation who saw mass immigration during the Blair/Brown years is simply living in denial. Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Portugal and every other EU nation West of Poland saw a massive increase in immigrants. Don't be fooled by Tory spin....it's a Western European problem. Is it a problem?" Well clearly it is....But other countries like The United States, and Australia are also finding themselves swamped by immigrants. I have seen people on here rattling on about how wonderful an immigration system Australia has.....but it also has a massive illegal immigrant problem. It's simply the way of the world in the 21st Century, people are migrating not only to escape wars and mistreatment, but mainly to better themselves and better the future of their families back home....and who can blame them? | |||
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"And the vast majority of immigrants live in Private rental accommodation..." A lot of which is ex-council property, bought under Tory right to buy legislation. Those who don't know the full circumstances look at an immigrant family in what appears to be a council house, put two and two together and make 5. | |||
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" Who are these millions and where did they arrive from? Hello Onny Why would one be wrong; are you saying there was nil net immigration between 1997 and 2010 or alternatively that all net immigration in that period had private accomodations? That's part of the situation, even the Government and all its agencies dont know. The legal immigration has been as a result of EU treaties. Who took Britain into the EU? Ted Heath. You can't get local authority/ registered social landlord if you're an illegal immigrant. Where this is circumvented it's most often done by Rachman type landlords. BTW. The biggest %age of people on the statistics as 'immigrants' are overseas students - who aren't immigrants at all. " For someone who keeps telling others there wrong, are you sure about the EU? Did it even exist in Ted Heath's day, i'm not sure on precise facts, but wasn't it then the EEC, the European Economic Community? | |||
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"....... Well clearly it is....But other countries like The United States, and Australia are also finding themselves swamped by immigrants. ............" And what do these countries have in common? The English language. It's a powerful draw. | |||
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"Going by this thread everyone agrees that everyone should get the same luxuries out of life. Regardless if you have worked all your life, most of it and lost your job due to illness or got made redundant or if you conned the system
These days internet access is not a luxury. As I said in a previous post, it is an important tool in many ways. "Like I said before the Internet is only a necessity if you use it to find work. Otherwise its just a hobbie that everyone has. Same with mobile phones. Although I am sure employers would be happy phoning people's landlines as I know many people who don't give out their employers their mobile numbers and surely if you are out of work. You aren't going to be out of the house a lot of the time are you | |||
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"Yes there are people out there who take the piss out of the benefit system. But a do hate so called Goode to Shooes who probably have never had to try and live of the benefit system. I my self have worked all my life since I left school at 16. And a year a go I lost my job the company went bust . Been trying to get a job since . Yes I get job seekers and after all the bills are paid I have less than £25 to fead my self for two weeks. So unless you have been there do not tar us all with the same brush " | |||
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"It's not a hobby for my daughter. Shes doing her OU degree via Internet. Should say if its was job or education or education purposes as people need to have some sort of access to that. But people who come on there to chat, play games, etc. I object to. This post has got out of hand. Only wanted to know what a person should have in their life compared to a person who works "Happiness! | |||
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"How's about giving people who work a lot more? Lets have incentive payments, free dental care, free anything - and take away any benefits like huge tellies and mobile phones to those who can't afford them. Make them live on the absolute minimum - perhaps they'd think more about getting a job. This perpetuates the myth that there are jobs to be had. Maybe in Bath. Not in Bathgate." 2 minutes on google. 13 on Reed 66 on totaljobs 1069 via S1jobs 1305 on indeed...... All within 5 miles of Bathgate. | |||
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"............ Maybe in Bath. Not in Bathgate. 2 minutes on google. 13 on Reed 66 on totaljobs 1069 via S1jobs 1305 on indeed...... All within 5 miles of Bathgate. Very few, if any, of these will be real jobs. Recruitment agencies make up jobs to get people to register (it's one of their targets). It's a bit like those dating sites that were on telly the other night." Having been married to a recruitment consultant that's utter bollocks and an urban myth! The only targets they have are FILLING jobs - not creating imaginary ones! There's a big enough competitive market amongst recruitment companies for them to soon piss off genuine jobseekers if this were the case! And having browsed some of the jobs, they're also advertised on the individual company websites! So are those companies just trying to create paperwork for themselves? Somehow I doubt it! | |||
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" Having been married to a recruitment consultant that's utter bollocks and an urban myth! The only targets they have are FILLING jobs - not creating imaginary ones! We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. There's a big enough competitive market amongst recruitment companies for them to soon piss off genuine jobseekers if this were the case! Do they mind if they piss off genuine jobseekers - there's no shortage of them? And having browsed some of the jobs, they're also advertised on the individual company websites! ........... Suggesting that some of the supposedly many jobs available are duplicates. Listed on the company website,JobCentre+ website and Dog knows how many recruitment agency listings." In an environment where they get paid commission on finding people jobs? Yep - pissing off your target audience doesn't go down too well! And yep again - if a job is on a specific company website AND a recruitment website - it is indeed a duplicate! But does that make it any less of a job? Just means they are obviously exploring all avenues to fill it - and actively looking! | |||
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Like I said before the Internet is only a necessity if you use it to find work. Otherwise its just a hobbie that everyone has. Same with mobile phones. Although I am sure employers would be happy phoning people's landlines as I know many people who don't give out their employers their mobile numbers and surely if you are out of work. You aren't going to be out of the house a lot of the time are you "So do the housebound unemployed have servants to bring plentiful supplies of fresh new cv's, and bread and water sir, or do we get flogged for asking? | |||
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"First things first Create jobs ! Without jobs we are all fucked .. There are thousands of skilled people and graduates who can't find a job .what chance has someone Who has been long term unemployed got? Secondly and some will say harshly ( but its my opinion) cut overseas aid and cut back on spending on wars that are fuck all to do with us ! Use this money to invest in THIS country . Jobs / training and support for most vulnerable ! get our house in order before we try and sort next door out ! Create policy that ensures 1 million unemployed young people in this country have a fighting chance to get employment BEFORE overseas workers ! If the jobs can't be filled after a 3 month recruitment .. Then offer it out to all ! ... Stop opting for cheap labour Abolish university fees for the most deprived young people ! Means test if needed ... How we ever gonna break the cycle If going to Uni and getting qualified is beyond most people who are likely to fall in the same old poverty trap their parents are in Cap benefits to an amount that ensures a healthy ( not luxury ) lifestyle .. Compulsory training or unpaid work in the community ( don't go , lose your benefit) Sliding scale for those who have worked continuous for 10 years plus in terms of allowances and time to retrain or seek similar employment ! Pay off our pensioners that struggle to work . Surely they are the deserved ( worked all their lives ) give the jobs to our youth Make it illegal for companies like asda ( others are available) to give hourly contracts - I know people working full time but are only contracted to do 8 hours a week ,. This is done to avoid holiday pay . Redundancy etc etc and is a disgrace .. If there's a job .. Fill it !! And lastly Get rid of the Tories ! " Well said. Although nothing to do with the original post, lol. | |||
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"I'm surprised at the ammount af facist staements made by the gestapo following this thread. I can only hope that all the negative people who posted here lose everything they own and become peniless. I'm positive they wouldn't be spouting the push I've read here.. You should all be ashamed of your lack of empathy and your willingness to paint everyone who's down with the same brush.. I would put you all against the wall and shoot yous.. And no..I'm not on benefits.. Disgraceful.
Nothing like an over reaction eh?
Whatever happened to people being entitled to an opinion? And I don't recall anyone 'tarring all with the same brush'? It's an emotive subject and opinions will differ - but nobody's suggested putting those on benefits against the wall, eh? "What happened to the unemployed being ENTITLED to benefits? | |||
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"I'm surprised at the ammount af facist staements made by the gestapo following this thread. I can only hope that all the negative people who posted here lose everything they own and become peniless. I'm positive they wouldn't be spouting the push I've read here.. You should all be ashamed of your lack of empathy and your willingness to paint everyone who's down with the same brush.. I would put you all against the wall and shoot yous.. And no..I'm not on benefits.. Disgraceful.
Nothing like an over reaction eh?
Whatever happened to people being entitled to an opinion? And I don't recall anyone 'tarring all with the same brush'? It's an emotive subject and opinions will differ - but nobody's suggested putting those on benefits against the wall, eh? "That'll be in the 2015 Tory manifesto. | |||
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"Maybe slightly on a tangent But it's all relevant See to that and benefit culture should change !! " All I wanted to know was what should a worker who works full time have in his life and what should people on benefits have? (the genuine people who have lost their jobs, become ill or are disabled anyway). So far it looks like they should have the same going by the posts on here. | |||
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"Maybe slightly on a tangent But it's all relevant See to that and benefit culture should change !! All I wanted to know was what should a worker who works full time have in his life and what should people on benefits have? (the genuine people who have lost their jobs, become ill or are disabled anyway). So far it looks like they should have the same going by the posts on here." I think it should be relevant to tax and national insurance paid Before my dad passed away at 57 he had worked since he was 15 and never claimed a penny ! He had a very physical job and was on 24 hour call out 7 days a week ! He had a heart attack and couldn't claim a penny ! Yet someone who has been on benefits for years claims claims and claims . No problem Another thing .. How many people in benefits continue to have kids and just expect to get more benefits .. I'm sorry but that should be stopped !! | |||
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"First things first Create jobs ! Without jobs we are all fucked .. There are thousands of skilled people and graduates who can't find a job .what chance has someone Who has been long term unemployed got? Secondly and some will say harshly ( but its my opinion) cut overseas aid and cut back on spending on wars that are fuck all to do with us ! Use this money to invest in THIS country . Jobs / training and support for most vulnerable ! get our house in order before we try and sort next door out ! Create policy that ensures 1 million unemployed young people in this country have a fighting chance to get employment BEFORE overseas workers ! If the jobs can't be filled after a 3 month recruitment .. Then offer it out to all ! ... Stop opting for cheap labour Abolish university fees for the most deprived young people ! Means test if needed ... How we ever gonna break the cycle If going to Uni and getting qualified is beyond most people who are likely to fall in the same old poverty trap their parents are in Cap benefits to an amount that ensures a healthy ( not luxury ) lifestyle .. Compulsory training or unpaid work in the community ( don't go , lose your benefit) Sliding scale for those who have worked continuous for 10 years plus in terms of allowances and time to retrain or seek similar employment ! Pay off our pensioners that struggle to work . Surely they are the deserved ( worked all their lives ) give the jobs to our youth Make it illegal for companies like asda ( others are available) to give hourly contracts - I know people working full time but are only contracted to do 8 hours a week ,. This is done to avoid holiday pay . Redundancy etc etc and is a disgrace .. If there's a job .. Fill it !! And lastly Get rid of the Tories ! " I agree with pretty much everything you've said ) except the last line! I honestly don't think it will make any difference who's in power after the next election! The policies of all three main partys are pretty much a mish mash of each others anyway! | |||
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"Maybe slightly on a tangent But it's all relevant See to that and benefit culture should change !! All I wanted to know was what should a worker who works full time have in his life and what should people on benefits have? (the genuine people who have lost their jobs, become ill or are disabled anyway). So far it looks like they should have the same going by the posts on here. I think it should be relevant to tax and national insurance paid Before my dad passed away at 57 he had worked since he was 15 and never claimed a penny ! He had a very physical job and was on 24 hour call out 7 days a week ! He had a heart attack and couldn't claim a penny ! Yet someone who has been on benefits for years claims claims and claims . No problem Another thing .. How many people in benefits continue to have kids and just expect to get more benefits .. I'm sorry but that should be stopped !! " I suppose I can say I am lucky, but I have gone through what you have in a way. Plus I do know people like that on benefits and I find it sickening. Due to the cuts in benefits my parents who have worked for 60 years between them and retired due to ill health. They are making cut backs too. Whereas I see people who are constantly claiming who are fitter than me, capable of though, can run, talk, etc and they just come out and say they don't want to be told what to do. So they will never work . I would disown my child if they had that attitude in life. | |||
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"If they can afford Sky, they're getting too much." | |||
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"If they can afford Sky, they're getting too much. "That's the thing. My parents can't afford sky. So as a form of rent. The children chip in (all earners and all live at home) and we have sky sports in one room, freeview in another and full in my room. Although that room i pay for fully. So under those circumstances it is possible to have sky in the house without the homeowners being able to afford it. So just because they have it. There's no need to cut their benefits. Like i said everyone's circumstances is different. Like the person I know has the full sky package, Internet access, mobile phones for everyone and yet none of them work and even admitted they won't even try looking. That's where the benefits should be cut as there are 5 people there. Not one of them work so how can they afford these things. Makes me angry knowing people like that get the world thrown at them whereas workers or ex workers have to make cut backs just to live | |||
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"Yes there are people out there who take the piss out of the benefit system. But a do hate so called Goode to Shooes who probably have never had to try and live of the benefit system. I my self have worked all my life since I left school at 16. And a year a go I lost my job the company went bust . Been trying to get a job since . Yes I get job seekers and after all the bills are paid I have less than £25 to fead my self for two weeks. Actually you have slightly less, because you choose to spend some of your meagre income on premium membership of a swingers website. Argument , as such as it is, is over ! So unless you have been there do not tar us all with the same brush " | |||
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"............ I think it should be relevant to tax and national insurance paid Before my dad passed away at 57 he had worked since he was 15 and never claimed a penny ! He had a very physical job and was on 24 hour call out 7 days a week ! He had a heart attack and couldn't claim a penny ! Yet someone who has been on benefits for years claims claims and claims . No problem ............ I'm unsure what you think your Dad ought to have been able to claim for after his heart attack." Well considering he paid his tax and insurance for 42 years I think he should have received more support when he could no longer work his trade ! Many people are claiming thousands a month to continue to breed and take take take from the state without ever paying a penny in or back ! That's my point ! | |||
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"............ I think it should be relevant to tax and national insurance paid Before my dad passed away at 57 he had worked since he was 15 and never claimed a penny ! He had a very physical job and was on 24 hour call out 7 days a week ! He had a heart attack and couldn't claim a penny ! Yet someone who has been on benefits for years claims claims and claims . No problem ............ I'm unsure what you think your Dad ought to have been able to claim for after his heart attack. Well considering he paid his tax and insurance for 42 years I think he should have received more support when he could no longer work his trade ! Many people are claiming thousands a month to continue to breed and take take take from the state without ever paying a penny in or back ! That's my point ! " Same sorry my end. Only it was 30 years. | |||
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"............ I think it should be relevant to tax and national insurance paid Before my dad passed away at 57 he had worked since he was 15 and never claimed a penny ! He had a very physical job and was on 24 hour call out 7 days a week ! He had a heart attack and couldn't claim a penny ! Yet someone who has been on benefits for years claims claims and claims . No problem ............ I'm unsure what you think your Dad ought to have been able to claim for after his heart attack. Well considering he paid his tax and insurance for 42 years I think he should have received more support when he could no longer work his trade ! Many people are claiming thousands a month to continue to breed and take take take from the state without ever paying a penny in or back ! That's my point ! " I'm trying not to be insensitive here but I understood from your post that he'd died. | |||
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