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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Speaking as someone who spent over 25 years drilling for oil and gas, I find myself 100% behind the protesters on this one…

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"Speaking as someone who spent over 25 years drilling for oil and gas, I find myself 100% behind the protesters on this one…

Not read any conclusive evidence that it is a bad practice! Same old reasons, any protest is a good protest.. I wonder how many are the "usual crowd"?

Of course, we could all just start using our electric cars and dump the petrochemical industry.. Oh no! No range and they use fossil fuels to power them!

We need this natural resource and it has to come out of the ground. If you have a convincing argument as to why it should stay where it is, I would be interested. (and no, you not having a job won't cut it!!) lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Must have been tricky finding safety stilettos that didn't clash with your hard hat back then Soxy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speaking as someone who spent over 25 years drilling for oil and gas, I find myself 100% behind the protesters on this one…

Not read any conclusive evidence that it is a bad practice! Same old reasons, any protest is a good protest.. I wonder how many are the "usual crowd"?

Of course, we could all just start using our electric cars and dump the petrochemical industry.. Oh no! No range and they use fossil fuels to power them!

Hydrogen. Easily stored once 'converted' its everywhere and the only emmission is water, a tiny amount of noise and slight heat.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"Speaking as someone who spent over 25 years drilling for oil and gas, I find myself 100% behind the protesters on this one…

Not read any conclusive evidence that it is a bad practice! Same old reasons, any protest is a good protest.. I wonder how many are the "usual crowd"?

Of course, we could all just start using our electric cars and dump the petrochemical industry.. Oh no! No range and they use fossil fuels to power them!

Hydrogen. Easily stored once 'converted' its everywhere and the only emmission is water, a tiny amount of noise and slight heat."

So you tell me! Why are we not producing hydrogen powered vehicles? Because they are not perfected enough for normal use and there would have to be a massive investment to make filling stations available! Coupled with the prohibitive cost of purchasing a vehicle. (Toyota estimates $50,000 in the States) In the mean time, we have millions of cars that have to be kept running. I would be interested to hear of alternatives to keep them on the road..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Not read any conclusive evidence that it is a bad practice! Same old reasons, any protest is a good protest.. I wonder how many are the "usual crowd"?

The risk can be controlled but not eliminated .... So once the damage is done it's irreparable in the short term….

At present our inability to adequately control the subterranean migration of toxins leaching into ground water is not conducive to widespread Fracking on a land mass as small and densely populated as the UK where our reliance on local groundwater effects much of everything we do.

Immediate development would not benefit individual consumers for many years,,,,, We don't need to tap into this resource at the moment...

It's waited there for millions of years and can wait there for a few more years while further safe guards are developed and other options explored,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we are on about Balcome village protestors, I can see why the villages are up in arms the surrounding area is quite beautiful.

We do need the resource though, if it gave jobs to the local people to get the gas I would back it.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"Not read any conclusive evidence that it is a bad practice! Same old reasons, any protest is a good protest.. I wonder how many are the "usual crowd"?

The risk can be controlled but not eliminated .... So once the damage is done it's irreparable in the short term….

Immediate development would not benefit individual consumers for many years,,,,, We don't need to tap into this resource at the moment...

It's waited there for millions of years and can wait there for a few more years while further safe guards are developed and other options explored,,,,

Thanks Soxy x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If we are on about Balcome village protestors, I can see why the villages are up in arms the surrounding area is quite beautiful.

We do need the resource though, if it gave jobs to the local people to get the gas I would back it."

Having a land rig operating in your backyard is not a pleasant prospect for any local community.....

The jobs created would be only be transient as would any financial benefits to the local economy....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've seen programs, where in the USA people are now unable to drink the water from their taps due to contamination. They are also able to set fire to the tap spout whilst the water is flowing. There are plenty of other sources of oil and gas to go after before we resort to fracking, not that it's about keeping cars on the road as very few cars are going to run on LPG most are still burning oils.

There are pockets of oil all over the UK, they are not worth building pipelines for so they would have to have lots of trucks moving the oil.

The Government doesn't want us to have gas anyhow, I think next year a new rule comes in where any new build house will not be connected to the gas mains... All electric and solar panels. No gas cookers, fires, or boilers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speaking as someone who spent over 25 years drilling for oil and gas, I find myself 100% behind the protesters on this one…

Not read any conclusive evidence that it is a bad practice! Same old reasons, any protest is a good protest.. I wonder how many are the "usual crowd"?

Of course, we could all just start using our electric cars and dump the petrochemical industry.. Oh no! No range and they use fossil fuels to power them!

Hydrogen. Easily stored once 'converted' its everywhere and the only emmission is water, a tiny amount of noise and slight heat.

The flintstones had a good idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its the government equivalent of looking down the settee for spare change..a total disgrace..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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It's waited there for millions of years and can wait there for a few more years while further safe guards are developed and other options explored,,,,

IT can wait but can we?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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It's waited there for millions of years and can wait there for a few more years while further safe guards are developed and other options explored,,,,

IT can wait but can we?"

Yes mate….. there's simply no remit for taking added risks while we still have viable options to exploit untapped offshore deposits we already know about...

We are also in the process of reactivating old offshore reservoirs which were previously thought to be exhausted , but owing to advances in technology we can now return many of these to levels nearing their peak production rates….

Land based Shale gas development via fracking does not create wealth of permanent jobs where the exploration takes place and would not damatically reduce the prices paid for gas by household consumers….

At present we can not guarantee our forecasts of subterranean drilling fluids losses or toxin seepage, and we have no-way of limiting the potential damage caused by long-term contamination to vital ground water supplies ….

We simply don’t need to risk exploiting this option at the present time….

However saying that, I don’t necessarily object to drilling test wells without the fracking....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Fracking can make sense if you have lots of land with not many people affected.

The NW has already seen an increase in earthquakes, I understand. Our water supplies are too important to frack with.

When I can see a guarantee that water is not affected then I would be happy to embrace it here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fracking can make sense if you have lots of land with not many people affected.

The NW has already seen an increase in earthquakes, I understand. Our water supplies are too important to frack with.

When I can see a guarantee that water is not affected then I would be happy to embrace it here."

I had to drive through them all ......... the police presence there is unbelievable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was cruising up the A34 last night returning to Scotland and around about Newbry was wondering what happened to Swampie! The doom gloom and devastation that was predicted there, seems to have past by. The trees are lovely and look fine and healthy to me.

I suspect dear old swampie will be down there digging a tunnel or two

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was cruising up the A34 last night returning to Scotland and around about Newbry was wondering what happened to Swampie! The doom gloom and devastation that was predicted there, seems to have past by. The trees are lovely and look fine and healthy to me.

I suspect dear old swampie will be down there digging a tunnel or two"

Living in a yurt in wales apparently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should really watch Gasland part 1 and 2. If that doesnt convince you how bad fracking is, then something wrong with you.

Look on a map of proposed sites for the Uk, its literally everywhere.

Polluting the air worse than cars do.

You can't live by them as you'll eventually become ill from allsorts.

Water undrinkable.

Earthquakes in some areas.

We dont need these things, yeah it would take a huge amount of money to invest in green energy but do you really want your kids, gran kids growing up where water may cost more than fuel.

Theres enough wind in the world to power the entire world 5xs over.

1 square mile of the latest tech solar panels in an area unused in America, is enough to power that whole country for life.

Governments dont want to use these as its unlimited, it would be really cheap in the long run, they want to make money and these oil & gas companies will not stop til everything is empty before going to alternatives. They donate huge amounts to governments so they do get a say in things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speaking as someone who spent over 25 years drilling for oil and gas, I find myself 100% behind the protesters on this one…

Ditto

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect dear old swampie will be down there digging a tunnel or two

Living in a yurt in wales apparently"

re swampy.........

He no longer wants to be called Swampy and instead goes by his real name, Daniel Hooper.

The 40-year-old lives with his four children in a yurt alongside 100 hippies, New Age travellers and nudists in a 200-acre stretch of farmland in the Welsh valleys.

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By *uckyinlustMan
over a year ago

manchester

So many of these so called "protesters" are just middle class rich kids with nothing better to do than be "protest trendy"

They know as much about Fracking as you or I, I can't imagine any of them having studied Geology or Chemistry for years .........in fact they have probably never studied fuck all and just jump on the rock n roll protest bandwagon..........

Or am I just being too cynical.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So many of these so called "protesters" are just middle class rich kids with nothing better to do than be "protest trendy"

Or am I just being too cynical.

It’s difficult for one person to make a difference when it comes to environmental issues that have potential to cause irreversible harm,,,,, but that’s no reason why everyone shouldn’t try….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many of these so called "protesters" are just middle class rich kids with nothing better to do than be "protest trendy"

Or am I just being too cynical.

To cynical lol

It doesn't matter if they have limited knowledge the main thing is they are out there protesting!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

green energy is never going to be the answer.

its just too unpredictable, too expensive to convert and very difficult to harness properly.

wind: turbines cant be on when its too windy, they waste so much of the energy they are supposed to get, by being unable to store it properly. always wonder, when i go to tesco sites, the turbine is always going, even when there is no wind. how does that work? are the actually powering it spinning to look good?

the ONLY green energy that COULD be useful, is waves/tides.

if we can harness the power of the sea safely, then that would be wonderous, as the currents of the sea are perpetual. never drop or stop.

if they could get shit on the seabed to collect that, we would be in business, although not sure how much business

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Green energy unpredictable?

Its unlimited

The sun will always be there, the wind will never stop, the waves will keep coming as long as there is a planet here etc.

Nevada look at all that unused land where the sun shines all day, 1 square mile to power the whole states.

Germany get far less sun than the states do and they produce more energy from solar.

Even if its cloudy, solar panels still work.

Out at sea, theres always wind. People who complain about green energy being an eye sore, should think twice. Nuclear energy is not a good alternative either, it takes years to build and then you have all the waste and it only take one mistake and a whole area can never be used again, it would be quicker to build green energy.

They have the tech for wave power etc but they choose not to use it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually, most of the people on protests are a lot more informed than you think- that's why they are protesting!

I'd suggest watching the Oscar winning film documentary,'Gasland' for anyone with an interested in the damage fracking does.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Green energy unpredictable?

Its unlimited

The sun will always be there, the wind will never stop, the waves will keep coming as long as there is a planet here etc.

Nevada look at all that unused land where the sun shines all day, 1 square mile to power the whole states.

Germany get far less sun than the states do and they produce more energy from solar.

Even if its cloudy, solar panels still work.

They have the tech for wave power etc but they choose not to use it."

You might be interested in the work of Saul Griffith whose mathematical calculations provide a startling comparison to the propaganda levelled on both sides of the Eco debate

The world currently runs on about 16 terawatts (trillion watts) of energy per year, most of it burning fossil fuels.

Currently only about half a terawatt comes from clean hydropower and one terawatt from clean nuclear.

That leaves 11.5 terawatts shortfall to generate from new clean sources.

In order to generate two terawatts of photovoltaic the world would require installing 100 square meters of 15-percent-efficient solar cells every second for the next 25 years. That’s about 1,200 square miles of solar cells a year equal to 30,000 square miles of photovoltaic cells

In order to generate two terawatts of solar thermal energy the world would need to manufacture and install 50 square meters of highly reflective mirrors at a rate of approximately 600 square miles per year for 25 years.

In order to generate half a terawatt of biofuels the world would need to manufacture something like one olympic size swimming pool of genetically engineered algae every second for 25 years on an area equivalent to about 15,250 square miles a year

In order to generate two terawatts from wind the world would require the manufacture and installation of a 300-foot-diameter wind turbine every 5 minutes for the next 25 years which equates to finding a place for approximately 105,000 turbines every year in good wind locations

In order to generate two terawatts of geothermal energy the world would need to build and install a 3 100-megawatt steam turbine every single day for 25 years.

In order to generate three terawatts of new nuclear energy the world would need to build and commission a new 3-reactor, 3-gigawatt plant built every week for the next 25 years.”

So basically for the world to have a dedicated renewable energy plan we would need to occupy a space about the size of Australia using the technology we have right now…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

About 1000 miles south of us is the world's biggest desert (by far) - bigger than a continent in fact; - perfect for a solar farm to power Europe, you would have thought?

There doesn't seem to be a will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres been a lot of tech advances with solar and like the one above, theres areas of the world completely unused as no one could really live there, why not use it.

I would rather every penny our governments use for energy, go completely to renewable(not nuclear) you only have to look outside to see how much damage climate change is having, i do believe it happens naturally anyway but we have added to it.

We carry on fracking, destroy the land, water but everythings fine we can still drive and watch Jeremy Kyle but those in the future, our kids, gran kids etc they are going to have it a lot worse than we do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck fuck fuck fuck

I work 'saving the planet' and have a lot to offer to this debate

But. Also have my cock out here n in my woman's mouth n the geeks I work with wouldn't be too keen for me to comment on a public forum! Lol

Arse!!!!!!!

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

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The only reason we don't use hydrogen instead of petrochemicals and thermal energy for electric and hot water generation is that there is no profit in them to exploit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As far as I remember wayyyy back in physic lessons, electricity doesn't 'travel' very well so 1000 miles away might be problematic. But, it might have to be the way forward, could we as humanity but stop the civil wars etc there. Then Africa w9ould be wealthy and the west, in thrall.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Green energy unpredictable?

Its unlimited

The sun will always be there, the wind will never stop, the waves will keep coming as long as there is a planet here etc.

Nevada look at all that unused land where the sun shines all day, 1 square mile to power the whole states.

Germany get far less sun than the states do and they produce more energy from solar.

Even if its cloudy, solar panels still work.

They have the tech for wave power etc but they choose not to use it."

The economics of wave power don't add up - yet.

Even with generating companies being offered 3 times the current market rate for far offshore wave power, they can't make it where it exists and supply it to where it's wanted at a price which is anywhere close to affordable.

Factor in that UK governments, current and future, are expressing concern about the future of green levies in fuel bills, that situation is unlikely to improve any time soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only reason we don't use hydrogen instead of petrochemicals and thermal energy for electric and hot water generation is that there is no profit in them to exploit. "

Its the volatility of hydrogen that makes it less than practical right now on the storage and containment issue related to the cost of containment and safety.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Alternative energy has to found in time but also has to be reaserched properly ! A local authority in Wales erected a wind turbine on the site of new goverment buildings at a cost of 130k and is producing on some months the vast figure of £5 in return. For us to trust any new plans more accurate research has to be done.

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

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"The only reason we don't use hydrogen instead of petrochemicals and thermal energy for electric and hot water generation is that there is no profit in them to exploit.

Its the volatility of hydrogen that makes it less than practical right now on the storage and containment issue related to the cost of containment and safety. "

Hydrogen is no more harder to store as LPG