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"My thoughts are bottle fed children and mothers who do would still have a lovely bond with their child. " of course they do but more support needs giving as it shouldn't be a default choice but something that happens if breastfeeding can't happen... I had a nightmare first time. Cracked and sore nipples, mastitis, a baby that needed feeding every 3 hours to start with.. and fed for nearly an hour a time... But I wanted him to have the best... I don't think any woman that tries and for what ever reason chooses bottles should feel bad.. because they tried.. | |||
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"My thoughts are bottle fed children and mothers who do would still have a lovely bond with their child. " Well I never made milk. I was having a go and end up so sore . I am sure some woman are better at this .. I have a close bond with my 4 and all bottle fed .. | |||
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"My thoughts are bottle fed children and mothers who do would still have a lovely bond with their child. of course they do but more support needs giving as it shouldn't be a default choice but something that happens if breastfeeding can't happen... I had a nightmare first time. Cracked and sore nipples, mastitis, a baby that needed feeding every 3 hours to start with.. and fed for nearly an hour a time... But I wanted him to have the best... I don't think any woman that tries and for what ever reason chooses bottles should feel bad.. because they tried.. " But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. | |||
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"My thoughts are bottle fed children and mothers who do would still have a lovely bond with their child. of course they do but more support needs giving as it shouldn't be a default choice but something that happens if breastfeeding can't happen... I had a nightmare first time. Cracked and sore nipples, mastitis, a baby that needed feeding every 3 hours to start with.. and fed for nearly an hour a time... But I wanted him to have the best... I don't think any woman that tries and for what ever reason chooses bottles should feel bad.. because they tried.. " Sadly though, like on the other thread and in your first post and in real life, people keep talking about the bond and how special it is....so for those women who couldn't breast feed for whatever reason will feel like they have failed. | |||
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"My thoughts are bottle fed children and mothers who do would still have a lovely bond with their child. " Have to agree Rugby, but it is not the same as the bond of breast fed babies, imho. Just the sheer contentment of mother and baby during and after a feed is a joy to behold and the fact that you can't rest a boob somewhere for the baby to suckle as you can with a bottle means you have to have quiet time. Beneficial to both mother and baby | |||
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"I think the best way to feed a baby is what's best for both of them. As long as mum is happy and content then baby will be too. " This is for me too | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision." sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. " Now that is something I totally disagree with, there are many reasons why some mothers choose not to breast feed and calling them lazy is just plain rude and uncalled for. I stick by a happy and content mother means a happy and content baby however it's fed ! | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. " A mother getting stressed, pain, tired, fed up and not enjoying breastfeeding due to cracked nipples or a lack of desire isn't going to have that great bond with their baby through breastfeeding either and maybe bottle feeding, enjoying your feed time and looking forward to that time with baby is best for them. X | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. Now that is something I totally disagree with, there are many reasons why some mothers choose not to breast feed and calling them lazy is just plain rude and uncalled for. I stick by a happy and content mother means a happy and content baby however it's fed ! " sorry but if they chose to without having ever tried I think they are selfish. If they try and for whatever reason don't want to then fine. But I'm talking about the ones that decide from as soon as they are pregnant. | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. A mother getting stressed, pain, tired, fed up and not enjoying breastfeeding due to cracked nipples or a lack of desire isn't going to have that great bond with their baby through breastfeeding either and maybe bottle feeding, enjoying your feed time and looking forward to that time with baby is best for them. X" I am not talking about them... Just the ones that never even consider it. Why not.. I think these mums need more support and encouragement. | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. Now that is something I totally disagree with, there are many reasons why some mothers choose not to breast feed and calling them lazy is just plain rude and uncalled for. I stick by a happy and content mother means a happy and content baby however it's fed ! sorry but if they chose to without having ever tried I think they are selfish. If they try and for whatever reason don't want to then fine. But I'm talking about the ones that decide from as soon as they are pregnant. " Which is totally there choice and I'm now going to back away because I actually find that more offensive than the post that started this. | |||
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"My thoughts are bottle fed children and mothers who do would still have a lovely bond with their child. Well I never made milk. I was having a go and end up so sore . I am sure some woman are better at this .. I have a close bond with my 4 and all bottle fed .." nipple shields are ment to be good if you have sore nipples I had to go into chemists looking for these was a bit embarrassing but at the same time proud xx | |||
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"I've never ever ever understood the big deal about it. Women should not need support (apart from initially when getting the child to actually latch on). They do not need special rooms. The idea that breastfeeding is disgusting offends me more than I can say. Women should be able to feed a child whenever and wherever that child needs it and fuck what anyone else thinks. The fact that someone thinks their delicate sensibilities are more important than feeding a young baby is just ridiculous and I would say that that person really does need to get some therapy and not impose their unnatural beliefs on someone else - especially a defenceless child. Yes, I know - a bit of a rant but I feel really impassioned about this and am astonished and dismayed that here we are into the second decade of the 21st century and still listening to archaic beliefs which belong in the 19th. Don't like seeing a woman breastfeeding in public - don't look. It's your problem - tough - go away and deal with it. And breathe .... I shall add no more as it would only be a reiteration of what I have just said." I totally agree. Perfectly natural and if anything the "special rooms" stigmatise the practice even more. Irrespective of the debate over which method is best, the right to choose and all be happy and not feel forced or coerced into any decision must serve mother and child better. | |||
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" Which is totally there choice and I'm now going to back away because I actually find that more offensive than the post that started this. " but why should it offend... I just honestly believe that not enough is done to encourage women. I actually talked to a girl in hospital who said she didn't want to because it would ruin her boobs... You can't chose to not push, you have to try first. Unless medical reasons. I just think same should apply to breastfeeding. | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. Now that is something I totally disagree with, there are many reasons why some mothers choose not to breast feed and calling them lazy is just plain rude and uncalled for. I stick by a happy and content mother means a happy and content baby however it's fed ! " I totally agree with Moody moo, no mother can be at their best when struggling with something that is as hard as breast feeding, and i am sorry to think this but i think this where a lot a post natal depression sets in because they think that they are not doing their best for that child and will continue to struggle until someone close to them will surgest the easy way out and tell them THAT they are NOT FAILING as a mother just because they have a bottle in their mouth instead of a breast..... Ruby | |||
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"Got to put me in the "too posh to push" brigade too then. And no, that wasn't through choice! People forget that c-sections are major abdominal surgery. It's hard work for at least the first 6 weeks. Calling any new mother any name for whatever reason is just plain wrong. We all make decisions based on our personal circumstances, other people need to respect that." as I said.. some have medical reasons... But from my sister that had to have c sections too.. she didn't feed first.. but did the second.. she found it easier as she didn't have to mess around preparing bottles. First time she was to ill after.. guess my issue is with those that just won't consider it as an option.. | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. A mother getting stressed, pain, tired, fed up and not enjoying breastfeeding due to cracked nipples or a lack of desire isn't going to have that great bond with their baby through breastfeeding either and maybe bottle feeding, enjoying your feed time and looking forward to that time with baby is best for them. X I am not talking about them... Just the ones that never even consider it. Why not.. I think these mums need more support and encouragement. " To be honest Cali I don't think the help and support are there anymore, the wards are now like conveyor belts and they want in and out as quickly as possible. I had my last daughter at 12.35pm and i was signed out and at home by 3pm and wasn't even asked about beast feeding or not....Ruby | |||
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"Anyone seen that documentary with that woman who was still breastfeeding her 9 year old child? lol" what about her poor hubby then. | |||
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"Got to put me in the "too posh to push" brigade too then. And no, that wasn't through choice! People forget that c-sections are major abdominal surgery. It's hard work for at least the first 6 weeks. Calling any new mother any name for whatever reason is just plain wrong. We all make decisions based on our personal circumstances, other people need to respect that. as I said.. some have medical reasons... But from my sister that had to have c sections too.. she didn't feed first.. but did the second.. she found it easier as she didn't have to mess around preparing bottles. First time she was to ill after.. guess my issue is with those that just won't consider it as an option.. " I see exactly where your coming from Cali, I have had friends who have stated they won't breast fed due to it being disgusting, or there boobs are just for their hubby. I just find it sad they won't even try, they may be one of the lucky ones who find it a breeze yet they'll never know . A | |||
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"does breast feeding ruin your breasts and make them saggy then, mine are saggy enough as it is, wouldnt want them to be any saggier. " Look at my pics, don't think they r saggy and I've fed 3 A | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. A mother getting stressed, pain, tired, fed up and not enjoying breastfeeding due to cracked nipples or a lack of desire isn't going to have that great bond with their baby through breastfeeding either and maybe bottle feeding, enjoying your feed time and looking forward to that time with baby is best for them. X I am not talking about them... Just the ones that never even consider it. Why not.. I think these mums need more support and encouragement. To be honest Cali I don't think the help and support are there anymore, the wards are now like conveyor belts and they want in and out as quickly as possible. I had my last daughter at 12.35pm and i was signed out and at home by 3pm and wasn't even asked about beast feeding or not....Ruby " my youngest is 7 and I had more help with her than any of the others... As to does it ruin your breasts.. well I've had 6 kids and breastfed them all and nearly 40 and they are not saggy and quite firm. So no.. don't think it does. In fact it's nature's way of helping you get your body back. | |||
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"I cant see how people can get offended by breastfeeding, i don't suppose any of them see anything wrong with a man hanging off boobs but not a naby " that i do like to see. | |||
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" sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. " i didnt breast feed my son. i never indended too!! i gave him my body for almost 10 months and that was long enough!! it doesnt make me lazy or selfish. it meant that his dad could feed him and bond with him as well!! good luck to all those people who do it but it just wasnt for me | |||
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"Got to put me in the "too posh to push" brigade too then. And no, that wasn't through choice! People forget that c-sections are major abdominal surgery. It's hard work for at least the first 6 weeks. Calling any new mother any name for whatever reason is just plain wrong. We all make decisions based on our personal circumstances, other people need to respect that. as I said.. some have medical reasons... But from my sister that had to have c sections too.. she didn't feed first.. but did the second.. she found it easier as she didn't have to mess around preparing bottles. First time she was to ill after.. guess my issue is with those that just won't consider it as an option.. " I'm one of four children. None of us were breastfed - the thought of it disgusted my mum. That was the culture I was brought up in and it passed over to me. Although I wasn't disgusted by it, I had a huge mental block and didn't even want to try it. I didn't consider myself 'above it' and it had nothing to do with me not wanting to spoil my boobs. I just didn't want to do it - I knew I'd NEVER be able to do it in public which would have restricted me. I think your narrow minded, judgemental attitude is as bad as those saying they're disgusted by a woman breastfeeding in public. I had a very close bond to all my children and they were all healthy and happy. ALL women should be supported in whatever CHOICE they make - how about not making ANY woman 'feel bad'?? | |||
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" sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. i didnt breast feed my son. i never indended too!! i gave him my body for almost 10 months and that was long enough!! it doesnt make me lazy or selfish. it meant that his dad could feed him and bond with him as well!! good luck to all those people who do it but it just wasnt for me" | |||
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"Got to put me in the "too posh to push" brigade too then. And no, that wasn't through choice! People forget that c-sections are major abdominal surgery. It's hard work for at least the first 6 weeks. Calling any new mother any name for whatever reason is just plain wrong. We all make decisions based on our personal circumstances, other people need to respect that. as I said.. some have medical reasons... But from my sister that had to have c sections too.. she didn't feed first.. but did the second.. she found it easier as she didn't have to mess around preparing bottles. First time she was to ill after.. guess my issue is with those that just won't consider it as an option.. I'm one of four children. None of us were breastfed - the thought of it disgusted my mum. That was the culture I was brought up in and it passed over to me. Although I wasn't disgusted by it, I had a huge mental block and didn't even want to try it. I didn't consider myself 'above it' and it had nothing to do with me not wanting to spoil my boobs. I just didn't want to do it - I knew I'd NEVER be able to do it in public which would have restricted me. I think your narrow minded, judgemental attitude is as bad as those saying they're disgusted by a woman breastfeeding in public. I had a very close bond to all my children and they were all healthy and happy. ALL women should be supported in whatever CHOICE they make - how about not making ANY woman 'feel bad'??" I'm actually quite happy to be seen as judgmental on this. I have told a few mums to be my views... All actually then questioned why... And then did at least try... those first few days it's very important... I won't change my view on the fact that it should be something you try first. | |||
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" sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. i didnt breast feed my son. i never indended too!! i gave him my body for almost 10 months and that was long enough!! it doesnt make me lazy or selfish. it meant that his dad could feed him and bond with him as well!! good luck to all those people who do it but it just wasnt for me" sorry but you dont give your body to your baby... You choose to have the baby.. same dad's can feed baby's when breastfed too.. what do you do if not feed them when they put the baby In your arms after you have them... I really don't know how your instincts don't take over.. | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. " I disagree wholeheartedly with this!! I didn't want to try with my first, I was 18, covered in stretch marks, really lacked the confidence and it really was not the done thing in my family. I went on to breastfeed my next two(older, wiser, living with hubby)and I loved every second of it, it's the thing I will miss most if we don't have another but do I regret not feeding my eldest myself? No, it wasn't right for us at that time and he's absolutely fine, we have a great bond. Breast is best and I do everything I can to support a breastfeeding mother but there's nothing wrong with exercising your own individual choice. Too posh to push is just silly, major abdominal surgery? Um, no thanks! | |||
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"Got to put me in the "too posh to push" brigade too then. And no, that wasn't through choice! People forget that c-sections are major abdominal surgery. It's hard work for at least the first 6 weeks. Calling any new mother any name for whatever reason is just plain wrong. We all make decisions based on our personal circumstances, other people need to respect that. as I said.. some have medical reasons... But from my sister that had to have c sections too.. she didn't feed first.. but did the second.. she found it easier as she didn't have to mess around preparing bottles. First time she was to ill after.. guess my issue is with those that just won't consider it as an option.. I'm one of four children. None of us were breastfed - the thought of it disgusted my mum. That was the culture I was brought up in and it passed over to me. Although I wasn't disgusted by it, I had a huge mental block and didn't even want to try it. I didn't consider myself 'above it' and it had nothing to do with me not wanting to spoil my boobs. I just didn't want to do it - I knew I'd NEVER be able to do it in public which would have restricted me. I think your narrow minded, judgemental attitude is as bad as those saying they're disgusted by a woman breastfeeding in public. I had a very close bond to all my children and they were all healthy and happy. ALL women should be supported in whatever CHOICE they make - how about not making ANY woman 'feel bad'??" ^^that could be me! | |||
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"Breastfeed by all means, breast is best after all...do it in public no problem, just be discrete about it, not everyone feels comfortable with someone around them breastfeeding... Each to their own...it needs to be respected and not a song and dance made " On a forum like this, really? Nobody whips out both boobs and starts spraying milk all over the place. It can be bloody hard to latch a baby on and some are harder to feed than others so if someone needs to show a little more boob then let them! | |||
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" I am not talking about them... Just the ones that never even consider it. Why not.. I think these mums need more support and encouragement. " Who's going to give it? | |||
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"Breastfeed by all means, breast is best after all...do it in public no problem, just be discrete about it, not everyone feels comfortable with someone around them breastfeeding... Each to their own...it needs to be respected and not a song and dance made " believe me no matter where you decide to feed your child someone will spot you, I fed all 3 of my kids and as I refused to use public toilets like some would have you go, I fed them where I could, if I was in a café I'd sit away in a corner etc but there would always be someone spot you and sit staring Breastfeeding a baby is the most natural thing in the world you shouldn't have to hid away, people don't have to look they just choose to so they have something to moan about | |||
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" i didnt breast feed my son. i never indended too!! i gave him my body for almost 10 months and that was long enough!! it doesnt make me lazy or selfish. it meant that his dad could feed him and bond with him as well!! good luck to all those people who do it but it just wasnt for me sorry but you dont give your body to your baby... You choose to have the baby.. same dad's can feed baby's when breastfed too.. what do you do if not feed them when they put the baby In your arms after you have them... I really don't know how your instincts don't take over.. " well imho i did give him my body yes i chose to have him but i also chose not to breastfeed!! what did i do with the baby in my arms if i didnt breast feed him?? well i bottle fed him and was able to tell exactly how much he had taken!! and i feel because of that he was in a very good routine within a few days and sleepin through the night at 2 months. he is happy healthy and strong and we have a very very close bond!! | |||
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"I'm sorry. I just think that most people chose not to because of things that are nothing to do with the actual breastfeeding. I guess having always felt I should try.. and no I didn't succeed as long as I wanted with all.. but sometimes it's because they feel that it's frowned on... I only used the pushing thing to say that at one point people were electing to not push.. that was stopped... I think breastfeeding should be similar.. Ie plan to try but know there are back up plans. I know it's a strong view. And normally I'm all for women's choice... But well. It's my view.. " It was not stopped, there are a lot of people that have elective sections for maternal request, it only takes two docs to sign. I am all for women's choice, I believe breast is best and there is no disputing that, I will 100% support a woman to consider, initiate and sustain breastfeeding but I will also be there when she picks up a bottle to reassure her because that's support, you're describing biased pressure. | |||
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"Breastfeed by all means, breast is best after all...do it in public no problem, just be discrete about it, not everyone feels comfortable with someone around them breastfeeding... Each to their own...it needs to be respected and not a song and dance made On a forum like this, really? Nobody whips out both boobs and starts spraying milk all over the place. It can be bloody hard to latch a baby on and some are harder to feed than others so if someone needs to show a little more boob then let them!" really...... having a child of my own I'm fully aware of the feeding process and how hard it can be...i have in no way said a woman can't breastfeed in public...what I am saying us be discrete and don't be offended if asked to refrain | |||
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"I'm sorry. I just think that most people chose not to because of things that are nothing to do with the actual breastfeeding. I guess having always felt I should try.. and no I didn't succeed as long as I wanted with all.. but sometimes it's because they feel that it's frowned on... I only used the pushing thing to say that at one point people were electing to not push.. that was stopped... I think breastfeeding should be similar.. Ie plan to try but know there are back up plans. I know it's a strong view. And normally I'm all for women's choice... But well. It's my view.. It was not stopped, there are a lot of people that have elective sections for maternal request, it only takes two docs to sign. I am all for women's choice, I believe breast is best and there is no disputing that, I will 100% support a woman to consider, initiate and sustain breastfeeding but I will also be there when she picks up a bottle to reassure her because that's support, you're describing biased pressure." as far as I am aware you can only do so for medical reasons. | |||
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"I am absolutely sick and tired of women being criticised or made feel guilty about either choosing whether or not to breastfeed OR not being able to breastfeed for various reasons. What's best for one person is not necessarily best for another. End of. Women can do without this constant judgement and vilification. I am also sick and tired of those who complain about women breastfeeding in public. I have NEVER seen a breastfeeding mother be anything other than discreet when doing it in public. Besides, if it bothers you so much don't bloody look! If you don't like it that's YOUR problem. " | |||
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"I'm sorry. I just think that most people chose not to because of things that are nothing to do with the actual breastfeeding. I guess having always felt I should try.. and no I didn't succeed as long as I wanted with all.. but sometimes it's because they feel that it's frowned on... I only used the pushing thing to say that at one point people were electing to not push.. that was stopped... I think breastfeeding should be similar.. Ie plan to try but know there are back up plans. I know it's a strong view. And normally I'm all for women's choice... But well. It's my view.. It was not stopped, there are a lot of people that have elective sections for maternal request, it only takes two docs to sign. I am all for women's choice, I believe breast is best and there is no disputing that, I will 100% support a woman to consider, initiate and sustain breastfeeding but I will also be there when she picks up a bottle to reassure her because that's support, you're describing biased pressure. as far as I am aware you can only do so for medical reasons. " I'm a midwife, if you're too scared(very subjective) then you can have one | |||
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"Breastfeed by all means, breast is best after all...do it in public no problem, just be discrete about it, not everyone feels comfortable with someone around them breastfeeding... Each to their own...it needs to be respected and not a song and dance made On a forum like this, really? Nobody whips out both boobs and starts spraying milk all over the place. It can be bloody hard to latch a baby on and some are harder to feed than others so if someone needs to show a little more boob then let them! really...... having a child of my own I'm fully aware of the feeding process and how hard it can be...i have in no way said a woman can't breastfeed in public...what I am saying us be discrete and don't be offended if asked to refrain " Asking to refrain is illegal and NOBODY would ask someone to stop feeding their baby any other way, it's cruel and just bloody stupid. | |||
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"Breastfeed by all means, breast is best after all...do it in public no problem, just be discrete about it, not everyone feels comfortable with someone around them breastfeeding... Each to their own...it needs to be respected and not a song and dance made On a forum like this, really? Nobody whips out both boobs and starts spraying milk all over the place. It can be bloody hard to latch a baby on and some are harder to feed than others so if someone needs to show a little more boob then let them! really...... having a child of my own I'm fully aware of the feeding process and how hard it can be...i have in no way said a woman can't breastfeed in public...what I am saying us be discrete and don't be offended if asked to refrain " I wouldn't be offended if someone asked me to refrain. But I think they might be when I tell them to piss off. If be more concerned at having to make my small baby wait for his milk when he's crying hungry then offending some idiot who doesn't want to see a tiny bit of boob. | |||
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" I'm a midwife, if you're too scared(very subjective) then you can have one " didn't know that.. I guess it just makes me sad that some people don't even want to try.. I am not disgusted I just don't get it.. ) However just in this thread it seems others opinions on the acceptability is a huge reason... So it means much more work needs doing. as it was such a nice time for me... After the initial period of pain and agony. All my kids slept well as babies though. | |||
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"This subject is always going to divide, I had my first daughter and tried to breast feed but after a 48 hr labour I was exhausted and she refused to latch on!! Did I feel a failure....yes it was awful the pressure do be perfect can be far to much, I went on to have 2 more and managed to feed them myself but to say I must have a better bond with them 2 is ridiculous I love them all the same!! My other point is going to send the cat amongst the pigeons so to speak, while I fully support a woman's choice to feed in public this was something I could never do, I hated the thought of it!! Yes it's the most natural thing in the world but so is doing the toilet and I do that in private also!!! Judging other mothers about whether they feed is wrong and to call them selfish is just plain cruel to add more pressure at 1 of the hardest and most demanding times of their life is not right in any way at all!! Just my wee 2p worth!! " | |||
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"My tits, my children, my family, my community, my hospital , my N.H.S , my reasons, my choice. " plus I don't really care what people do so long as I can get on with my life relatively undisturbed. | |||
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"I've never ever ever understood the big deal about it. Women should not need support (apart from initially when getting the child to actually latch on). They do not need special rooms. The idea that breastfeeding is disgusting offends me more than I can say. Women should be able to feed a child whenever and wherever that child needs it and fuck what anyone else thinks. The fact that someone thinks their delicate sensibilities are more important than feeding a young baby is just ridiculous and I would say that that person really does need to get some therapy and not impose their unnatural beliefs on someone else - especially a defenceless child. Yes, I know - a bit of a rant but I feel really impassioned about this and am astonished and dismayed that here we are into the second decade of the 21st century and still listening to archaic beliefs which belong in the 19th. Don't like seeing a woman breastfeeding in public - don't look. It's your problem - tough - go away and deal with it. And breathe .... I shall add no more as it would only be a reiteration of what I have just said." We agree. We totally support it. It's totally natural and should be allowed to happen wherever the baby needs to. Just as if a woman wants to bottle feed then that's their choice too x | |||
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" But what if they just plain old don't want to try? It's a personal decision. sorry but I think they are selfish if they don't want to try and do what is best. I know that's a bit judgmental but I can not see why you wouldn't want to try... Because it's as natural as having the baby. I put them in with the too lazy to push group. Now that is something I totally disagree with, there are many reasons why some mothers choose not to breast feed and calling them lazy is just plain rude and uncalled for. I stick by a happy and content mother means a happy and content baby however it's fed ! " I totally agree and for someone who doesn't want to be judged for breast feeding in public that seemed to be a whole lot of judgement against mums who don't! | |||
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"I fed all 4 of mine (the first was after a c-section) - for 6 months, 11 months and just under 3 years each for the last two (stopping with no 3 when I was 3 months pregnant with no 4) I was lucky - milk came in and was plentiful and I was like a cow. Never had sore/ cracked nipples nor mastitis, either. However, I also knew how to look after my boobs (eg expressing off an overfull boob where I was told it could lead to blocked ducts etc) and rubbing milk into my nipples. I'm of the opinion that all mothers should try for those first feeds - the colostrum is so important and beneficial to baby. After that, well, I'd still like people to continue. There shouldn't be a stigma attached to a perfectly natural, non sexual act. I happily fed walking around with a baby pin a sling, sat in a cafe, sat in the street, in the cinema... wherever my baby needed a feed I'd provide it (and no I'm not an 'earth mother' type - but bf is easier on the go than bottles) I wish there was more support for people to continue it after the initial week or so. And that people didn't think it makes your boobs saggy - grrrr!! " And a lovely pair of boobs you have too A | |||
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"My thoughts are bottle fed children and mothers who do would still have a lovely bond with their child. " Each to there own , I bottle fed mine Nd both healthy happy and we have. Solid relationship .... I think there's loads of support , maybe depends on your area ... What I hated was being frowned upon for not breast feeding ! My sister did , and ranted on about the health issues ... Well mine hardly see a doctor , both hers have throat ear and nose trouble !! | |||
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"Women should be able to do it where ever they want. It's what human mothers do. Putting them in a room so as not to offend anyones Victorian sensibilities is disgraceful. This country's getting worse with every passing year." Couldn't agree more. Breastfeeding is a perfectly natural aspect of being a human being. So is procreation, defecation and urination. we should all stop being so hung-up about these perfectly natural acts and allow them anywhere and everywhere. | |||
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"Women should be able to do it where ever they want. It's what human mothers do. Putting them in a room so as not to offend anyones Victorian sensibilities is disgraceful. This country's getting worse with every passing year. Couldn't agree more. Breastfeeding is a perfectly natural aspect of being a human being. So is procreation, defecation and urination. we should all stop being so hung-up about these perfectly natural acts and allow them anywhere and everywhere." | |||
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"Women should be able to do it where ever they want. It's what human mothers do. Putting them in a room so as not to offend anyones Victorian sensibilities is disgraceful. This country's getting worse with every passing year. Couldn't agree more. Breastfeeding is a perfectly natural aspect of being a human being. So is procreation, defecation and urination. we should all stop being so hung-up about these perfectly natural acts and allow them anywhere and everywhere." oh what rubbish... Breastfeeding is nothing like going to the toilet. You don't notice a woman feeding.. it's no real difference to feeding with a bottle. | |||
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"Women should be able to do it where ever they want. It's what human mothers do. Putting them in a room so as not to offend anyones Victorian sensibilities is disgraceful. This country's getting worse with every passing year. Couldn't agree more. Breastfeeding is a perfectly natural aspect of being a human being. So is procreation, defecation and urination. we should all stop being so hung-up about these perfectly natural acts and allow them anywhere and everywhere. oh what rubbish... Breastfeeding is nothing like going to the toilet. You don't notice a woman feeding.. it's no real difference to feeding with a bottle. " They're all natural bodily functions - why discriminate? Obviously, the health implications for toiletting in public are obvious, but why not procreation? | |||
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"I agree if you don't like what you see look away." I would be more concerned with the people getting of on watchnig just on the off chance they might get a glimpse of a womans breast. | |||
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" They're all natural bodily functions - why discriminate? Obviously, the health implications for toiletting in public are obvious, but why not procreation?" because it's indecent..where as feeding a baby isn't. | |||
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" They're all natural bodily functions - why discriminate? Obviously, the health implications for toiletting in public are obvious, but why not procreation? because it's indecent..where as feeding a baby isn't." As an unnaturally yucky person, why would feeding your child be frowned upon? I can't understand it? | |||
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" They're all natural bodily functions - why discriminate? Obviously, the health implications for toiletting in public are obvious, but why not procreation? because it's indecent..where as feeding a baby isn't. As an unnaturally yucky person, why would feeding your child be frowned upon? I can't understand it?" you and me both xxx | |||
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" They're all natural bodily functions - why discriminate? Obviously, the health implications for toiletting in public are obvious, but why not procreation? because it's indecent..where as feeding a baby isn't. As an unnaturally yucky person, why o feed would feeding your child be frowned upon? I can't understand it? you and me both xxx" I don't do babies..,, prefer puppies,, but all mothers should be allowed to feed their child surely? | |||
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" They're all natural bodily functions - why discriminate? Obviously, the health implications for toiletting in public are obvious, but why not procreation? because it's indecent..where as feeding a baby isn't. As an unnaturally yucky person, why o feed would feeding your child be frowned upon? I can't understand it? you and me both xxx I don't do babies..,, prefer puppies,, but all mothers should be allowed to feed their child surely?" that is what I'm saying. Some seem to think it should be hidden away. | |||
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" They're all natural bodily functions - why discriminate? Obviously, the health implications for toiletting in public are obvious, but why not procreation? because it's indecent..where as feeding a baby isn't." Levels of what is or isn't decent seem to vary greatly from person to person, and culture to culture. Like it or not, we live in a multi-cultural society. | |||
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"Like it or not, women are designed to be able to feed children in a certain way....." The question is not how, but where and when. For many centuries, humans have disguised their nudity with unnecessary clothing, have procreated in private etc. According to some posters on this thread, breastfeeding has also been done in private in the past and babies have done just fine. What's changed? | |||
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" Levels of what is or isn't decent seem to vary greatly from person to person, and culture to culture. Like it or not, we live in a multi-cultural society." I doubt any culture has an issue with a woman feeding a baby... I have been asked to take my son to a toilet as some woman had complained that I was feeding. I had learnt to be very discreet... And you couldn't see anything. So I refused. These days I would think it was only the odd few that had issues with it...I see now why some women choose not too.. there has been so many comments and I'm shocked that people really see a problem with a woman doing the most natural thing. I have messages from women that felt they couldn't as there partners wanted their breasts for them...people that felt it wouldn't be possible to feed even at home.. | |||
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" Levels of what is or isn't decent seem to vary greatly from person to person, and culture to culture. Like it or not, we live in a multi-cultural society. I doubt any culture has an issue with a woman feeding a baby... I have been asked to take my son to a toilet as some woman had complained that I was feeding. I had learnt to be very discreet... And you couldn't see anything. So I refused. These days I would think it was only the odd few that had issues with it...I see now why some women choose not too.. there has been so many comments and I'm shocked that people really see a problem with a woman doing the most natural thing. I have messages from women that felt they couldn't as there partners wanted their breasts for them...people that felt it wouldn't be possible to feed even at home.. " If you doubt any culture has an issue with a woman feeding a baby... in public, then you should ask a Hindu, Muslim or Jew of which there are over 4 million in the UK. I really do wonder if the breast-feeding in public thing is just another one of those "I'll do what I want, and sod everyone else" kind of things that are increasingly popular these days. | |||
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" If you doubt any culture has an issue with a woman feeding a baby... in public, then you should ask a Hindu, Muslim or Jew of which there are over 4 million in the UK. I really do wonder if the breast-feeding in public thing is just another one of those "I'll do what I want, and sod everyone else" kind of things that are increasingly popular these days." What exactly is you problem with it... It's natural and not offensive. And I don't live in a Muslim or Jewish country. And I bet still lots feed their babies.. Mothers don't exactly sit their with breasts hanging out... In fact I could manage without exposing any breast. So people's objections were on the fact I was quietly feeding a baby. Not that they had seen some breast. I really honestly fail to see how it can offend anyone. even less so on here... Or by anyone a parent. | |||
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" after all, it can't be much fun or much bonding going on while hiding your breast from onlookers and covering your babys head with a blanket." That's another good point. Having a cloth or whatever over the babies face always looks awful to me. For those who say "Why don't you eat in the toilet?" how about would you like a cloth over your face whilst eating? As I said earlier, I'm really not fussed about whether people breast feed or not, but it's the whole 'in your face' and 'i'm a better mum' brigade that do my head in. | |||
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"Some comments from both side of the argument are quite upsetting on this post. I didn't breast feed my child, tried it the first night but my father turned up to visit and I got very flustered and embarrassed and stopped, I was quite young and was very nervous, naive and got embarrassed my my own nudity/body very easily. I could never have breasted in front of my own family let alone the general public, regardless of whether you could see anything or not. Did I feel a failure? Of course I did. Did it affect the bond I have with my child? I don't believe so, people constantly comment on how close we are. However, I fully support anyone's right to breastfeed their children anywhere they need to, now I'm older I may think differently towards it, it's a shame things seem so black or white for some people commenting on this thread x" Excellent post | |||
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" As I said earlier, I'm really not fussed about whether people breast feed or not, but it's the whole 'in your face' and 'i'm a better mum' brigade that do my head in." I don't think it makes you a better mum .. but I do think that attitudes of those around and health professionals mean to many mums won't try for fear of not being able to. I couldn't feed my 3rd child properly. She didn't always latch on perfectly due to her downs... I was encouraged to give up.. not to bother... But I spoke to a support group and they advised me to express as well... Which worked for me.. yet those that should have helped me didn't. my views are just that that I think mums should try... I was with a woman whose baby was in sbcu... But she was expressing too... I do think that take away the superiority of breastfeeding that more would try... My comments on comparing it to. If mums that chose not to push was just that I feel like now you really are encouraged to give birth naturally first. I just think that there is not enough done to encourage it... And less pressure should it not be successful.. I didn't have a blanket... I just had nursing blouses or tops.. if baby is turned towards you.. all others can see is baby's head. As to can you time visits so baby didn't need feeding.. not really if your out for the day... I had a friend who actually stopped feeding in her own house if she had visitors or her older son was in.. I thought that was a bit silly. | |||
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"Got to put me in the "too posh to push" brigade too then. And no, that wasn't through choice! People forget that c-sections are major abdominal surgery. It's hard work for at least the first 6 weeks. Calling any new mother any name for whatever reason is just plain wrong. We all make decisions based on our personal circumstances, other people need to respect that. as I said.. some have medical reasons... But from my sister that had to have c sections too.. she didn't feed first.. but did the second.. she found it easier as she didn't have to mess around preparing bottles. First time she was to ill after.. guess my issue is with those that just won't consider it as an option.. I'm one of four children. None of us were breastfed - the thought of it disgusted my mum. That was the culture I was brought up in and it passed over to me. Although I wasn't disgusted by it, I had a huge mental block and didn't even want to try it. I didn't consider myself 'above it' and it had nothing to do with me not wanting to spoil my boobs. I just didn't want to do it - I knew I'd NEVER be able to do it in public which would have restricted me. I think your narrow minded, judgemental attitude is as bad as those saying they're disgusted by a woman breastfeeding in public. I had a very close bond to all my children and they were all healthy and happy. ALL women should be supported in whatever CHOICE they make - how about not making ANY woman 'feel bad'??" | |||
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"As a midwife my views are probably very skewed! Breastfeeding cafes, rooms and support in my eyes are a great thing if they can encourage a mum to prolong her breastfeeding experience " I always appreciated places that had accommodations when i was breastfeeding. There was a shopping mall that provided a very comfortable room specifically for breastfeeding and i went out of my way to shop there so i didn't have to worry about where i would be able to comfortably bf my son. I don't understand why this is such a controversial issue. Isn't this what breast are for? I do have to say it is certainly a mothers right to choose if they will or wont and i do not think less of women who choose not to but for me personally the health benefits are so great that i wanted to provide that for my son even though it was difficult at first. My son hardly ever gets sick and has never had an earache and i believe that its due to breastfeeding. i do think women should at least try. | |||
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