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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh no out the frying pan into the fire

Blame EDL

Blame the Taliban

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?"

Lack of aspiration? Lack of money?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?

Lack of aspiration? Lack of money?

BME lack money too but perhaps show more aspiration.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh no out the frying pan into the fire

Blame EDL

Blame the Taliban

don't blame it on the sunshine, don't blame it on the moonlight........

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Oh no out the frying pan into the fire

Blame EDL

Blame the Taliban

Is there a pan on fire? I left reading all of that hours ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry Lickety

Okay let's blame it on the boogey!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?

Lack of aspiration? Lack of money?

BME lack money too but perhaps show more aspiration."

I sometimes wonder if a lack of aspiration is often an aspiration for some people!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?"

Are you sure that's across the board, rather than Sciences (the real ones, Chemistry/Physics/Biology) and Mathematics ? There's been a falloff in those for years amongst white kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where are your figures from? I found a Guardian article claiming Oxford University was biased against non white applicants... Of course all universities are giving places to NON UK students as they can charge them more, this could skew the figures badly if the stats were used in that way.

"They show that white students were more than twice as likely to receive an offer to study medicine as those from ethnic minorities. The disparity persisted for the most able students: 43% of white students who went on to receive three or more A* grades at A-level got offers, compared with 22.1% of minority students."

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Who knows a few years ago it was why aren't more black people accessing universities...it's swings and roundabouts..

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?

Lack of aspiration? Lack of money?

BME lack money too but perhaps show more aspiration.

I sometimes wonder if a lack of aspiration is often an aspiration for some people! "

Ennui and disaffection being fashionable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?"

Where you getting those figures? You saying only 22% of 1st year students in September will be white? Nah cant be true

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?

Are you sure that's across the board, rather than Sciences (the real ones, Chemistry/Physics/Biology) and Mathematics ? There's been a falloff in those for years amongst white kids."

It was just on the BBC News Channel - I haven't looked at the source material just posted a question that popped into my head. I won't be looking at source materials until at least tomorrow as I'm off out out shortly.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Where are your figures from? I found a Guardian article claiming Oxford University was biased against non white applicants... Of course all universities are giving places to NON UK students as they can charge them more, this could skew the figures badly if the stats were used in that way.

That's been my understand too, hence a knee jerk reaction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23405792 ?

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

These figures show the proportion of young people in these ethnic groups who are applying - rather than the absolute numbers. Most applicants will still be white students, because it's a much larger group.

So the rise is in the proportion of that ethnicity applying not the percentage of the total.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who fucking cares?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And are there really no brown ones applying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who fucking cares? "

Very articulate addition to the discussion there

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I'll say it, others are thinking it but not saying it....

Parenting

If I go into my favourite Chinese takeaway on a Friday or Saturday night, there are the owners children doing schoolwork and studying books behind the counter.

That's EVERY time I go into this particular Chinese takeaway....

My favourite Indian restaurant (Bangladeshi owners) is the same, his teenage children can always be found sitting at a table at the back studying their text books.

These particular parents, of foreign extraction, want the absolute best for their children, and to them that means encouraging/making their children study hard at school and out of school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there anywhere that shows the disparity between the Russell group Universities and others?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My cohort is made up of 97 % white students. In a years cohort of 34 only one person is not of white British origin.

I am aware my cohort is teeny tiny compared to the number of students a year that study something such as geography or automotive design however maybe it is indicative of the way certain ethnicities gravitate towards certain disciplines

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By *BC TWOCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Leicester / Birmingham /Bucks

Most black people have no choice. Their parents are strict about education. Either you apply for uni or get chased out the house with a shoe/slipper and in some cases...a frying pan wielding Mom

But with white people their parents say something along the lines of "you're 18 so do as you wish"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?"

Just a wonder... Who are the other 6% not accounted for?

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By *BC TWOCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Leicester / Birmingham /Bucks

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?

Just a wonder... Who are the other 6% not accounted for?"

chinese?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?

Just a wonder... Who are the other 6% not accounted for?"

Maths students lol

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"I'll say it, others are thinking it but not saying it....

Parenting

If I go into my favourite Chinese takeaway on a Friday or Saturday night, there are the owners children doing schoolwork and studying books behind the counter.

That's EVERY time I go into this particular Chinese takeaway....

My favourite Indian restaurant (Bangladeshi owners) is the same, his teenage children can always be found sitting at a table at the back studying their text books.

These particular parents, of foreign extraction, want the absolute best for their children, and to them that means encouraging/making their children study hard at school and out of school.

Our house had to take a vow of silence for 5 months from Jan-May this year while daughter studied for her A Levels, anything over church mouse volume was deemed too loud !

I wouldn't mind but she'd virtually got BBB of the ABB she required without taking the final exams !

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By *BC TWOCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Leicester / Birmingham /Bucks

White people don't really need to go uni anyway. Job discrimination is very much alive.

A black/asian person has to go to uni to get a job that a white person who just finished college will get

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"White people don't really need to go uni anyway. Job discrimination is very much alive.

A black/asian person has to go to uni to get a job that a white person who just finished college will get

That is complete horseshit !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"White people don't really need to go uni anyway. Job discrimination is very much alive.

A black/asian person has to go to uni to get a job that a white person who just finished college will get

Somewhat profound, if a little inaccurate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?

Just a wonder... Who are the other 6% not accounted for?"

Maybe brown ones?

Up the browns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"White people don't really need to go uni anyway. Job discrimination is very much alive.

A black/asian person has to go to uni to get a job that a white person who just finished college will get

That is complete horseshit !"

Ha! That made me larf - the latter comment that is

As for the first bit, wow!!

I think it was the years of positive discrimination that made my late father feel as a white British male, that he was marginalised. There are so many situations where other ethnic backgrounds are given preference, as are women for example.

We should all just be made to make our own way in life without intervention.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Mrs JFL works for one of the biggest scientific equipment manufacturers in the world. The majority of UK technical positions are filled by Asians. Why ? You need a Life Sciences Degree to be considered for the job and the majority of people taking these degrees are Asians, nothing to do with positive discrimination, nothing to do with a white kid being able to get the job if he/she had a couple of A Levels and a BTEC in Media Studies.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"White people don't really need to go uni anyway. Job discrimination is very much alive.

A black/asian person has to go to uni to get a job that a white person who just finished college will get

Somewhat profound, if a little inaccurate. "

If you wanna be a bus driver or a scavvy - you won't need a university degree.

If you want to be a brain surgeon or a dentist you will and as more and more well qualified applicants chase fewer and fewer jobs, better qualifications will be required.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"White people don't really need to go uni anyway. Job discrimination is very much alive.

A black/asian person has to go to uni to get a job that a white person who just finished college will get

That is complete horseshit !

Ha! That made me larf - the latter comment that is

As for the first bit, wow!!

We should all just be made to make our own way in life without intervention. "

to the power n.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?"

I believe those figures are for pupils from STATE schools. Factor in public/ private schools and the %ages will be very different.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?

I believe those figures are for pupils from STATE schools. Factor in public/ private schools and the %ages will be very different."

I don't know what the private school demographics are up in Scotland, but down this way the better private schools have a very large number of British-Chinese students enrolled.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I dunno about Torquay but there's nothing like the %age of BME families in Glasgow as you'd find in London or some of the larger cities in England.

As for Chinese undergraduates - we get our own straight from China. They are almost wholly funded - tuition fees, pay and rations, accommodation and so on.

It's widely thought some of the many new student halls of residence around Glasgow have been funded by the Chinese government.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Thanks to those who did the work to get the facts on this story. It's interesting that these are state school figures. I wonder how things will change with academies and free schools? One I'll be watching.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Asian parents will make you go to uni and be a doctor.

African parents will make you go uni and be a lawyer

White parents want you to be happy.

Mass stereotype there 4 ya!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These figures show the proportion of young people in these ethnic groups who are applying - rather than the absolute numbers. Most applicants will still be white students, because it's a much larger group.

So the rise is in the proportion of that ethnicity applying not the percentage of the total.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Asian parents will make you go to uni and be a doctor.

African parents will make you go uni and be a lawyer

White parents want you to be happy.

Mass stereotype there 4 ya!

Yes it is, we are white and our son wants to study medicine, he got AAA that he needed for uni, not to mention high scores in UK CAT test but has barely got to the interview stage let alone been offered a place! He had an interview at Manchester uni last year but for every 8 applicants there was only 2 places! We will continue to support/push him in the direction he wanted 2 years ago but he is getting fed up now.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Asian parents will make you go to uni and be a doctor.

African parents will make you go uni and be a lawyer

White parents want you to be happy.

Mass stereotype there 4 ya!

That is sad and frustrating. Has he considered one of the European universities? Often less expensive and a potential route to meet his goal.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Two Jewish ladies are talking. One is telling the other about her 3 sons.

My first son is a lawyer. He makes £1,000,000 a year. I'm so proud of him.

My second son is a banker. He makes £2,000,000 a year. I'm so proud of him.

My third son. MY THIRD SON! He's a Rabbi. What sort of a job is that for a nice Jewish boy?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

There's lies, damned lies and statistics.

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester

"34% Black

40% Asian

22% White

Why aren't white young people accessing uni?

Just a wonder... Who are the other 6% not accounted for?

Maths students lol"

Definitely math students. They would've pointed out it's actually 4% unaccounted for

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

" ............

That is sad and frustrating. Has he considered one of the European universities? Often less expensive and a potential route to meet his goal."

It's an option but UK hospitals really REALLY want graduates of UK universities.

Add to that the number of overseas medics who come here to do the UK PACES exams and it's clear where the best future lies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

loads of white students in the uni our son goes to........ not that it matters, he has friends there from a few different cultures and backgrounds

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"loads of white students in the uni our son goes to........ ......... "

Which Uni is that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lots of white kids on a 'gap year' next year then.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

glad things are changing a lot, because when i went to uni I was the only black kid on my course in my year.....

I always wanted to go and i don't see myself as academically gifted, my sister is much smarter and it was never something she considered

i am glad that more kids from minority backgrounds are considering university as a way of getting ahead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On my taster day for the uni course I am attending from Sept, there were 36 of us, from several ethnic backgrounds. Of these, 5 of us white, and 3 who were born and raised outside of the UK. I cant wait to start the course with such a diverse group of peers, however could already see there was a Divide of sorts..

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

I haven't looked at the aforementioned article or statistics. But, could it be linked to the amount of foreign students coming to the UK which therefore affects the true statistics?

I can't remember if the foreign student application process has changed with the Immigration policies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It really depends on the course & the location. I've been through 2 degrees, the first there were about 200 odd per lecture, I'd say 95% white. Second degree was the same, with about 45 on my course, all of whom bar one were causation. When it comes to research however, the percentage of white students drops dramatically.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

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"On my taster day for the uni course I am attending from Sept, there were 36 of us, from several ethnic backgrounds. Of these, 5 of us white, and 3 who were born and raised outside of the UK. I cant wait to start the course with such a diverse group of peers, however could already see there was a Divide of sorts.."

In my experience, I think you may be surprised at the diverse groups that form.

When I studied, there was the odd close knit ethnic groups, which then went on to disperse and new groups formed.

Also, on my course we were often put in different groups to break down the barriers of not integrating with different groups.

Another sad fact was my class ended up half full in the final year due to failings or drop outs.

Good luck with your studies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe white kids are realising that university is a complete waste of time. The starting salaries today for those with a degree are so close to a standard salary, why would anyone want to saddle themselves with £30,000-£40,000 of debt at the start of their lives when it would be economically better to invest that £30,000 into property or long term stocks and shares, than have a piece of worthless paper with degree written on it.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

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"Maybe white kids are realising that university is a complete waste of time. The starting salaries today for those with a degree are so close to a standard salary, why would anyone want to saddle themselves with £30,000-£40,000 of debt at the start of their lives when it would be economically better to invest that £30,000 into property or long term stocks and shares, than have a piece of worthless paper with degree written on it.

I sort of agree with you.

I left my career to return to education, to better myself and a change in career. During that time, the government changed as did their priorities.

Myself and a number of my class mates have struggled to get a job in our field, one is a carer and I have recently got a job offer. It's not exactly what I wanted to do, but 1) it's a job, thankfully and 2) it is close to the field I graduated in.

There was something in the news recently, that there are something like 50 graduates for 1 post.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's to completely misunderstand how it works.

The £30,000 - £40,000 of debt isn't real cash in hand which you could have put to an alternative use.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

That's to completely misunderstand how it works.

The £30,000 - £40,000 of debt isn't real cash in hand which you could have put to an alternative use."

True, but I am in debt by £1000's and will have to pay it back, whereas I could pay for other luxuries or necessities with the repayments.

I do feel for those who have to pay for£9000 or whatever fee. I know I begrudge paying back some of my fees after some so called lectures!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's to completely misunderstand how it works.

The £30,000 - £40,000 of debt isn't real cash in hand which you could have put to an alternative use.

True, but I am in debt by £1000's and will have to pay it back, whereas I could pay for other luxuries or necessities with the repayments. "

Only after your income reaches a certain level.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

I'm doing a Social Work degree, I'll come out of it with debts of around £40k. If I get a job earning over £21k, I'll start paying the loan back, until I'm 55...I don't graduate until I'm 51, what's not to love about that ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm doing a Social Work degree, I'll come out of it with debts of around £40k. If I get a job earning over £21k, I'll start paying the loan back, until I'm 55...I don't graduate until I'm 51, what's not to love about that ?

At £21,000 pa the student loan repayment is c£35/ month.

£35 per month on a debt of £40,000 isn't a bad deal.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

At £21,000 pa the student loan repayment is c£35/ month.

£35 per month on a debt of £40,000 isn't a bad deal."

Precisely ! A lot gets read into the Student Loans system that simply isn't true. It's basically a stealth tax against future earnings but nothing that is unmanageable or likely to have 'the boys' knocking on your door demanding it back.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

I agree. I do think some don't realise how much you have to earn before paying it back and how much per month.

A friend had his written off quite a few years ago, as they had messed up the calculations or something.

I hope they do that on mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im doing a degree in instrumentation & control engineering ill walk in to a job at around 25-35k starting local in teesside i could choose to go to aberdeen or the rigs or abroad and earn more. University is not a waste of time its half of the useless or over populated courses that are, media & journalism etc

Ive chosen my course not becuase i thought id enjoy it (luckily enough i do) but because theres serious money to be earned in it!

P.s. who cares what percentage of different ethnicities are going to uni? As long as theres people going who are trying to better their lives!

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

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" Im doing a degree in instrumentation & control engineering ill walk in to a job at around 25-35k starting local in teesside i could choose to go to aberdeen or the rigs or abroad and earn more. University is not a waste of time its half of the useless or over populated courses that are, media & journalism etc

Ive chosen my course not becuase i thought id enjoy it (luckily enough i do) but because theres serious money to be earned in it! "

I wish you all the luck and do hope you are right about being able to walk straight into a job.

As I said earlier in the thread, when I started my degree, they were crying out for people qualified in the field I was studying.

By the time I graduated, the Government changed and changed their priorities thus cutting jobs left right and centre.

I have been applying for jobs for 2 years now along with the ones I graduated with. Only 1 has got a job in our field.

I hope you and all future graduates aren't as unfortunate as we were when it comes to getting a job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"loads of white students in the uni our son goes to........ .........

Which Uni is that?"
cardiff uni.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive chosen my course not becuase i thought id enjoy it (luckily enough i do) but because theres serious money to be earned in it!

I wish you all the luck and do hope you are right about being able to walk straight into a job.

As I said earlier in the thread, when I started my degree, they were crying out for people qualified in the field I was studying.

By the time I graduated, the Government changed and changed their priorities thus cutting jobs left right and centre.

I have been applying for jobs for 2 years now along with the ones I graduated with. Only 1 has got a job in our field.

I hope you and all future graduates aren't as unfortunate as we were when it comes to getting a job."

Im sorry to hear that and i wish you all the luck in getting a job in your chosen field!

Luckily instrumentation & control jobs are available left right and centre as it deals with pretty much any production industry oil & gas, power generation, food, pharmaceuticals etc

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

Ive chosen my course not becuase i thought id enjoy it (luckily enough i do) but because theres serious money to be earned in it!

I wish you all the luck and do hope you are right about being able to walk straight into a job.

As I said earlier in the thread, when I started my degree, they were crying out for people qualified in the field I was studying.

By the time I graduated, the Government changed and changed their priorities thus cutting jobs left right and centre.

I have been applying for jobs for 2 years now along with the ones I graduated with. Only 1 has got a job in our field.

I hope you and all future graduates aren't as unfortunate as we were when it comes to getting a job.

Im sorry to hear that and i wish you all the luck in getting a job in your chosen field!

Luckily instrumentation & control jobs are available left right and centre as it deals with pretty much any production industry oil & gas, power generation, food, pharmaceuticals etc "

Thank you.

And thanks for explaining what your degree means cos I initially thought it was a Music course