FabSwingers.com forum: Walking ourselves into a controlled, recorded police state

By *tomCom OP Man
over a year ago

Wellingborough

We as a country are walking ourselves into a "1984 Orwellian society".

The freedoms we have fought for over 100s of years, are been slowly taken away. What we watch, read, listen to, eat, drink talk about are all slowly being controlled.

Who is doing this?

Well the answer is that we are doing it to ourselves.

Do you care that this is happening?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks."

and conspiracy theorists..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

if you say so.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

if you say so."

I do..

they are out there..

saw in on t'interweb thingie..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I do my grandad and others went to war for our rights and we should respect that and not let people control what we say do eat or drink

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"We as a country are walking ourselves into a "1984 Orwellian society".

The freedoms we have fought for over 100s of years, are been slowly taken away. What we watch, read, listen to, eat, drink talk about are all slowly being controlled.

Who is doing this?

Well the answer is that we are doing it to ourselves.

Do you care that this is happening?"

IS it happening? I don't see it.

I have no more restrictions on my life or daily activities than 30-40 years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

if you say so.

I do..

they are out there..

saw in on t'interweb thingie.."

Well if it's on the interweb it must be true

! Xxx

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By *tomCom OP Man
over a year ago

Wellingborough

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks."

Problem is, we are the control freaks. We want phones tapped, we want letters and emails read. We want to feel safe.

Problem is, to feel safe we are creating a prison for ourselves.

We should look back in history. We should look at what happen in Russia. We should look what happen in Germany in the 1920s 1930s.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

if you say so.

I do..

they are out there..

saw in on t'interweb thingie..

Well if it's on the interweb it must be true

! Xxx"

exactly..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

Problem is, we are the control freaks. We want phones tapped, we want letters and emails read. We want to feel safe.

Problem is, to feel safe we are creating a prison for ourselves.

We should look back in history. We should look at what happen in Russia. We should look what happen in Germany in the 1920s 1930s.

maybe a slight sweeping generalisation with the 'we' maybe....?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

O also op, I'm not sure how much of what we read and see is being controlled. Rather 90per cent of people aren't interested in knowing what is happening in the world around them, unless it's something shiny and fun like the royal baby. News organisations are ultimately profit led businesses. The exception being the bbc but even they have to justify their license fee and therefore appeal to the masses rather than actually reporting on actual news. As for being told what to eat and drink? Other than my parents telling me I must eat my greens I've never been told what to eat. There is a lot of advise and literature out there, but you don't have to be a drone and follow the crowd, do what you want.

Xxx

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The primary responsibility of Government is the protection of its citizens, therefore it makes sense that it sells us protection in the form of laws, rules, monitoring, spying, etc. It also means feeding us information telling us we are constantly at threat and we are only introducing these measures for your own protection. Sort of a job creation scheme really. Oh and a money making scheme too.

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

Agenda anaysts we prefer that term. Should you happily be amongst the sheeple that's your call. The op has a very valid point. It's us conspiracy crackpots that were discussing the likes of saville many years ago.

Hope you're happy when your rfid chips fitted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you know they didn't land on the moon ? They actually landed on mars to avoid being seen by the Soviets.

54 % of fab couples & women are in fact statepolice spying. TThat's why guys never get replied to. Please don't mail me it leaves a trail.

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

Haha brilliant, they are also in your coffee granules

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes we are, because we are mug enough to be maneuvered by the media, the Govt, et al into fearing what they want us to fear... all the time they have got us in a state of fear, we'll allow them to monitor and control us.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes we are, because we are mug enough to be maneuvered by the media, the Govt, et al into fearing what they want us to fear... all the time they have got us in a state of fear, we'll allow them to monitor and control us.....

Have a nice cup of tea you'll feel much better. You can tell me about your neighbour's habits whilst we drink it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Governments are there to control the populace.

They do this by passing things called laws !

Without laws society would be chaos and anarchic.

Harking back to past times is pointless in todays information and technological era.

We have to learn to live and react to the society around us, keeping it safe and peaceful for everyone

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By *tomCom OP Man
over a year ago

Wellingborough

"Governments are there to control the populace.

They do this by passing things called laws !

Without laws society would be chaos and anarchic.

Harking back to past times is pointless in todays information and technological era.

We have to learn to live and react to the society around us, keeping it safe and peaceful for everyone

Yeah we are safe and secure in our little cells. Happy for the government to control what we watch, read, eat and drink.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are happy as long as the soaps/sport/reality shows are on tv, new shiny tech is there to distract you, and there's plenty of booze to drink.

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

I don't believe we're being monitored and controlled. I met Barack Obama the other day and said to him "My dad reckons you keep tabs on us all the time". He said "He's not your dad"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't believe we're being monitored and controlled. I met Barack Obama the other day and said to him "My dad reckons you keep tabs on us all the time". He said "He's not your dad"

Pmsl !

Call me lazy, uninterested or just too damn busy in my own little world - but I've never felt controlled, manipulated , spied on, dictated to, pressurised or that I have any less freedoms than I should!!

* at least not since the divorce!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't say I've ever noticed. The only time I felt controlled, manipulated and spied on was with my EX.

I think we have more freedom now than what people did many years ago...

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

Just wish to mark this post as i believe it will be a very interesting read

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By *tomCom OP Man
over a year ago

Wellingborough

"I don't believe we're being monitored and controlled. I met Barack Obama the other day and said to him "My dad reckons you keep tabs on us all the time". He said "He's not your dad"

There is no secret society that is doing the watching and controlling. It is us ourselves. We are so wrapped up in fear that we are doing it to protect ourselves.

The issue is the fear is being created by the media and by our own brains.

We believe the every bloke in the street is a peado or a terrorist. Though the facts are that 99.9999% of them are not.

Every youth is in a gang, and everyone is on drugs and is going to mug you.

Every car on the road is speeding and driven by a driver that is not as good as you.

The controls we are putting in place are not making us safer, they are only making us feel safer. The facts are that we are more dangerous to ourselves than over people are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't believe we're being monitored and controlled. I met Barack Obama the other day and said to him "My dad reckons you keep tabs on us all the time". He said "He's not your dad"

There is no secret society that is doing the watching and controlling. It is us ourselves. We are so wrapped up in fear that we are doing it to protect ourselves.

The issue is the fear is being created by the media and by our own brains.

We believe the every bloke in the street is a peado or a terrorist. Though the facts are that 99.9999% of them are not.

Every youth is in a gang, and everyone is on drugs and is going to mug you.

Every car on the road is speeding and driven by a driver that is not as good as you.

The controls we are putting in place are not making us safer, they are only making us feel safer. The facts are that we are more dangerous to ourselves than over people are."

Sorry - I don't believe any of those!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't see any credible argument to substantiate your argument, which appears to digress in itself.

Are you suggesting we live in a police state, monitored in all we do or we live in a state of fear, stirred up by our own unsubstantiated insecurities and prejudices ?

Most of us go about our business on a daily basis completely unhindered by society, unless we chose to cause problems.

There will be cases of intrusive authority, sometimes acting in an inappropriate way as a result of human interaction.

By and large we are kept safe by our infrastructure and laws.

Do I feel afraid on a daily basis ? No....go to Syria and witness the murder of innocents or the Congo etc and see their collapsing societies without the supposed spying culture and tell me its safer.

Coincidentally do I think everyone's speeding and I'm a better driver ? Most of us speed, sometimes I'm the better driver, sometimes I'm not, which gives me the social intelligence to realise I don't have to flick the bird at everyone who messes up as I probably did the same recently.

Am I being spied on ? I couldn't give a flying frog...crack on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you care that this is happening?"

No I don't care....

I'm not worried by it in the slightest. Nor am I worried about any potential examples dreamt up through the paranoia of those who feel we are being systematically oppressed and that out liberty and freedom to live in a country that protects it’s citizen and try’s to uphold moral value is being taken away us …..

The world is changing and the access and restriction to all its information needs to adapt to protect the important things in life and if by doing so some computer bank somewhere needs to hold a dossier of which web site I wank too or what type of bread I buy when online shopping I could give a rats crap…

If big brother is watching me he'll get bored before I do....

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"The primary responsibility of Government is the protection of its citizens, "

What a quaint idea.

The only responsibility of government is to ensure that those that have, continue to have. Anything else is irrelevant, and a distraction.

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

Im sasquatch also known as Mr B Foot. shhhhhh noone knows.....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The primary responsibility of Government is the protection of its citizens,

What a quaint idea.

The only responsibility of government is to ensure that those that have, continue to have. Anything else is irrelevant, and a distraction."

The primary responsibility of the State is the continuation of the State.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The primary responsibility of the State is the continuation of the State."

So what would you say is the primary responsibility of the individual?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do I think we're being spied on and monitored? Yes

Do I think it's worse and do we have

Less freedom? No

When was this time when we were free? Was in the 1930's and 40'sduring massive propaganda? During the 50s where blacks and Catholics couldn't live in certain places? The 1970's &80's where freedom was only for the wealthy? I'd say now with the FOi and Internet we have more information than ever before about how we're monitored and more control over that information than ever before.

As for food and drink I'm afraid that doesn't make any sense at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you care that this is happening?

No I don't care....

If big brother is watching me he'll get bored before I do....

Don't take this wrong way soxy but are you a terrorist ?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"As for food and drink I'm afraid that doesn't make any sense at all."

Well if it wasn't for the naughty Food Standards Agency we could eat salmonella laden eggs, fish the seas empty of fish, and re-label out of date food so no-one knows how stale their food is. And as for pasteurising milk to prevent TB, how very dare they!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If big brother is watching me he'll get bored before I do....

Don't take this wrong way soxy but are you a terrorist ? "

OMG, Nooooo I could never get away with the drab clothes they have to wear....

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By *tomCom OP Man
over a year ago

Wellingborough

If big brother is watching me he'll get bored before I do....

Don't take this wrong way soxy but are you a terrorist ?

OMG, Nooooo I could never get away with the drab clothes they have to wear....

So you know what clothes terrorist wear? hmm sounds dodgy to me. Lock him up.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

Hope you're happy when your rfid chips fitted

time they get round to it i'll be ashes m8..

what is it with people that deem other people to be 'sheeple' ffs, get a grip..

just cos some of us don't spend hours listening to 'every possible theoretical possibility' about whomever and whatever..

these sort of threads always bring out the 'look in the clock, button, phone' in case were being bugged, monitored, spied on or ooh controlled..

got news for you, the people in power don't know you exist..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are all plugged into the matrix...... Not so much sci-fi martial arts clap trap now hay?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Well I've been watching some of you for years. Just don't look too closely at your light switches.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

can anyone lend me their gizmo so I can do a sweep of me hidden places where the camera's may be hidden..

and whats that buzzing, nope not the bug in my head..

just a lovely bumble bee..

or is it..

wont feckin sleep now..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does that mean every time I have a wank someones watching ? Oooo sexy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are all plugged into the matrix...... Not so much sci-fi martial arts clap trap now hay?

Anyone who lives in a town with a magic roundabout can't discount the theory !

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By *tomCom OP Man
over a year ago

Wellingborough

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

Hope you're happy when your rfid chips fitted

time they get round to it i'll be ashes m8..

what is it with people that deem other people to be 'sheeple' ffs, get a grip..

just cos some of us don't spend hours listening to 'every possible theoretical possibility' about whomever and whatever..

these sort of threads always bring out the 'look in the clock, button, phone' in case were being bugged, monitored, spied on or ooh controlled..

got news for you, the people in power don't know you exist..

I never said it was the people in power, I said it was ourselves. We ourselves are walking into it.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Do you care that this is happening?

No I don't care....

If big brother is watching me he'll get bored before I do....

This..

though my dear Soxy I have to pull you up on your terminology..

its just as likely to be big sister doing the perusing too you know..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i feel free enough in my country

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By *tomCom OP Man
over a year ago

Wellingborough

"can anyone lend me their gizmo so I can do a sweep of me hidden places where the camera's may be hidden..

and whats that buzzing, nope not the bug in my head..

just a lovely bumble bee..

or is it..

wont feckin sleep now.."

People are only watching your Internet habits, your phone calls, text messages, emails, what you buy from the shops, where your car is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If big brother is watching me he'll get bored before I do....

Don't take this wrong way soxy but are you a terrorist ?

OMG, Nooooo I could never get away with the drab clothes they have to wear....

So you know what clothes terrorist wear? hmm sounds dodgy to me. Lock him up."

Tuh,,Well of course I know

I thought everyone with a keen eye for fashion would know

.....

Hey, maybe that’s why your struggling a bit

lol,,,,,,,,

Oo'er theres a thing,,,, maybe the counter terrorist organisations should perhaps employ trannies and supply us with free copies of Cosmo and Hello magazine ....

Hey and you read them after me!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are all plugged into the matrix...... Not so much sci-fi martial arts clap trap now hay?

Anyone who lives in a town with a magic roundabout can't discount the theory !

Absolutely..... You just close your eyes, drive and open them on the other side.. LOL

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By *tomCom OP Man
over a year ago

Wellingborough

"i feel free enough in my country

As long as you do not want to view porn online.. hehe

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

Hope you're happy when your rfid chips fitted

time they get round to it i'll be ashes m8..

what is it with people that deem other people to be 'sheeple' ffs, get a grip..

just cos some of us don't spend hours listening to 'every possible theoretical possibility' about whomever and whatever..

these sort of threads always bring out the 'look in the clock, button, phone' in case were being bugged, monitored, spied on or ooh controlled..

got news for you, the people in power don't know you exist..

I never said it was the people in power, I said it was ourselves. We ourselves are walking into it."

has it not ever been thus though..

USA in the 50's with the Mcarthy witch hunts..

there has always been an agenda from the right when in power to limit and constrain the people via legislation etc..

nowadays its a bit easier with the advances in technology obviously..

does it stop me living my life how I want, no..

therefore I don't worry about it..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

Hope you're happy when your rfid chips fitted

time they get round to it i'll be ashes m8..

what is it with people that deem other people to be 'sheeple' ffs, get a grip..

just cos some of us don't spend hours listening to 'every possible theoretical possibility' about whomever and whatever..

these sort of threads always bring out the 'look in the clock, button, phone' in case were being bugged, monitored, spied on or ooh controlled..

got news for you, the people in power don't know you exist..

I never said it was the people in power, I said it was ourselves. We ourselves are walking into it."

Then were not creating a police state its simply fear, which has existed since year dot

Examples of fear in the past are :

Do not leave the cave or harry the bastard will get you

Do not swim in the pond or the creature will eat you.

Do not eat a popular fast food chain thick shake its made of bulls semen.

Fear is great, it allows numpties to wear no fear t-shirts and for blokes to greatly exaggerate how brave they are in order to impress birds on fab. Stories like that time I was in south Armagh with the path finders blah blah blah.

Anyway I digress....there was no spy cam in my iPhone but now its dismantled

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

Hope you're happy when your rfid chips fitted

time they get round to it i'll be ashes m8..

what is it with people that deem other people to be 'sheeple' ffs, get a grip..

just cos some of us don't spend hours listening to 'every possible theoretical possibility' about whomever and whatever..

these sort of threads always bring out the 'look in the clock, button, phone' in case were being bugged, monitored, spied on or ooh controlled..

got news for you, the people in power don't know you exist..

I never said it was the people in power, I said it was ourselves. We ourselves are walking into it."

has it not ever been thus though..

USA in the 50's with the Mcarthy witch hunts..

there has always been an agenda from the right when in power to limit and constrain the people via legislation etc..

nowadays its a bit easier with the advances in technology obviously..

does it stop me living my life how I want, no..

therefore I don't worry about it..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are all plugged into the matrix...... Not so much sci-fi martial arts clap trap now hay?

Anyone who lives in a town with a magic roundabout can't discount the theory !

Absolutely..... You just close your eyes, drive and open them on the other side.. LOL

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the joy I had going around the central roundabout the wrong way he he but now I'm worried about who watched me when I lived there !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

though my dear Soxy I have to pull you up on your terminology..

its just as likely to be big sister doing the perusing too you know..

Ahhh but does the all seeing eye even have a gender,,,, eh?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

" and for blokes to greatly exaggerate how brave they are in order to impress birds on fab. Stories like that time I was in south Armagh with the path finders blah blah blah.

yep, the 'double tap' brigade..

more like read some SAS book or left behind in barracks as path sweepers..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

though my dear Soxy I have to pull you up on your terminology..

its just as likely to be big sister doing the perusing too you know..

Ahhh but does the all seeing eye even have a gender,,,, eh?

it has only one eye...

mmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

though my dear Soxy I have to pull you up on your terminology..

its just as likely to be big sister doing the perusing too you know..

Ahhh but does the all seeing eye even have a gender,,,, eh?

it has only one eye...

mmm

I believe so..... otherwise surely it would be possible to distract one eye and therefore allow things to be done out of sight,,,

But hey, I'm not 100% sure if thats how it really works

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"yes i do care, there are too many control freaks.

and conspiracy theorists..

and trolls

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By *uncpl2015Couple
over a year ago

Bridgend Area

"I don't believe we're being monitored and controlled. I met Barack Obama the other day and said to him "My dad reckons you keep tabs on us all the time". He said "He's not your dad"

There is no secret society that is doing the watching and controlling. It is us ourselves. We are so wrapped up in fear that we are doing it to protect ourselves.

The issue is the fear is being created by the media and by our own brains.

We believe the every bloke in the street is a peado or a terrorist. Though the facts are that 99.9999% of them are not.

Every youth is in a gang, and everyone is on drugs and is going to mug you.

Every car on the road is speeding and driven by a driver that is not as good as you.

The controls we are putting in place are not making us safer, they are only making us feel safer. The facts are that we are more dangerous to ourselves than over people are."

Who is 'us ourselves'? that is a massive generalisation. Who exactly to you mean when you refer to 'ourselves' I'm a firm believer in the old adage...if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about...although I do believe we are being manipulated into what we think, mostly by the media, but also to some extent by our own and other countries governments who in turn are the ones manipulating the media. Oh and don't get me started on the 'Thought Police'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What I find the most interesting is that people seem to be just waking up to the idea that we live in a 'surveillance society'. Its been happening for years and years and years.

From the traffic camera that reads number plates, to the CCTV systems with facial recognition, to mobile phones with 'Check in' facilities and GPS devices in every one. Now we have black box recorders being actively installed in cars to monitor speed, position, distance etc.

This doesn't make an 'Orwellian' future. Its how you choose to use it that can make it a force for good or evil.

You could argue, after all, that only those who are doing wrong have something to fear?

Or, you could ask - Who watches the Watchmen, to make sure the system isn't abused?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Each of you is simply a commodity. Why do you imagine a greater worth ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We as a country are walking ourselves into a "1984 Orwellian society".

The freedoms we have fought for over 100s of years, are been slowly taken away. What we watch, read, listen to, eat, drink talk about are all slowly being controlled.

Who is doing this?

Well the answer is that we are doing it to ourselves.

Do you care that this is happening?"

Yes, I care. Obviously, a lot of other people wouldn't believe that it is happening... that's fine too.

You're right. We are doing it to ourselves. By electing the same bunch each and every time is going to end in disaster for us. Too bad we're not like the Muslims or Arabs in those parts of the World that decide when they've had enough, they've had enough - unless of course they're quelled by their governments iron fist :D

Anyway... look at the bright side, enjoy it while it lasts. Only a matter of time before we're in the same boat as Greece and Cyprus, and I'm not joking about that.

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By * Jay69Man
over a year ago

Bridgwater - Somerset

"What I find the most interesting is that people seem to be just waking up to the idea that we live in a 'surveillance society'. Its been happening for years and years and years.

This doesn't make an 'Orwellian' future. Its how you choose to use it that can make it a force for good or evil.

You could argue, after all, that only those who are doing wrong have something to fear?

Or, you could ask - Who watches the Watchmen, to make sure the system isn't abused?

A vast amount of information is collected. Automated systems scan for key words.

A conversation with " My new car goes like a bomb. and including the phrase "lost my vibrator, had to rifle through my cupboard" could be enough to put you on a surveillance list, especially if you were of particular racial origin or had travelled to certain countries.

Paranoid? I was involved in a pressure group trying for change through democratic means. We were not right wing, we were labelled subversive, infiltrated by Special Branch, lists of names were stolen by the Government and my name was on one of them - this was pre mass computerisation.

Yes sleepwalking into our cosy little cells like good little sheep.

The attitude that only the guilty have something to hide is silly - I reckon most on here have a few things they don't want publicised!

Oooh, almost a Thursday rant!

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