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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

We wait 80 odd year for a British winner then like buses 2 come together,well done Chris Froome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

he could still loose it yet, highly unlikly but possible

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

Personally don't believe he is clean, but congrats to him all the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair- he could have won it last year but as a domestique it was his job to support Wiggins.

Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Wiggo was riding this year- back to back jerseys or return the favour to Froome?

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By *wingersrus465Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

I think he is amazing, what a feat and I believe he is clean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think he is clean, Well done to the guy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think he is clean, Well done to the guy."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Personally don't believe he is clean, but congrats to him all the same."
well I`m sure he will be found out if he is not clean, but what makes you think k he`s not?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Good old British public, build them up and then try and destroy then

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"Personally don't believe he is clean, but congrats to him all the same."

theres always one!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good old British public, build them up and then try and destroy then"

here here wiggo n froom n team are a british team n to hear fellow brits doubt there own is so sad, SHAME ON YOU! YI SHOULD BE PROUD OF THEM !

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By *taffsfella1Man
over a year ago

Newcastle-under-Lyme

"Personally don't believe he is clean, but congrats to him all the same."

So you're congratulating someone you believe to be a cheat?

Team Sky have released all of his training data to an independent expert picked by a French newspaper. He confirmed that Froome's performances are statistically normal. He has also been tested over 14 times during the tour and they have all come back clean. But let's not let the facts get in the way of a good witch hunt eh?

Well done Chris, to win the biggest event in cycling by over 5 mins is an amazing achievement. And a special mention to domestique extraordinaire Richie Porte.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only a crash could deny him victory today well done Chris Froome. Wiggins won last year on a totally different course and sealed his victory on a flat time trial! This year has has been for the climbers and was glad to see Contador out of the podeum finish yesterday! One of many past winners to test positive and be banned. I would be very suprised if Froome and Sky team were not clean ! And would leave Sir Dave ! eating humble pie

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"Personally don't believe he is clean, but congrats to him all the same.

So you're congratulating someone you believe to be a cheat?

Well done Chris, to win the biggest event in cycling by over 5 mins is an amazing achievement. And a special mention to domestique extraordinaire Richie Porte."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we have the last generation to thank for all the doubt. Of course, now that the sport is cleaning up, riders who are naturally talented will start to excel. What a lot of nay sayers don't understand is that Chris Froome was born and grew up (training and racing) in Kenya. Because of the altitude he has developed awesome VO2 capacity, which is why he had so much power on Ventoux.

If memory serves me well, Indurain had a VO2 max of 6.4l, Merckx 6.4l, Hinault 6.3L. I think Froomes' is 6.5l which is near enough absolute limit for a human being.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Been a great year so far for British spot Rugby, Tennis, Cycling only thing we have failed to excell in is the sport with the highest earners yes Football and the overpaid players, who then at times act like Animals with spitting and bitting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hope cav can win the sprint tonight too!

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

"Personally don't believe he is clean, but congrats to him all the same."

really .. even though he has been drug tested over a dozen times ??

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By *wingersrus465Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

"Personally don't believe he is clean, but congrats to him all the same.

So you're congratulating someone you believe to be a cheat?

Well done Chris, to win the biggest event in cycling by over 5 mins is an amazing achievement. And a special mention to domestique extraordinaire Richie Porte."

Richie Porte does indeed deserve a special mention

Can't wait for the final stage later on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If Greg Rudeski ever wonders just how underwhelmed the British public would have been at a pseudo-brit winning Wimbledon then this is probably the nearest he'll ever get to an answer. Froome may has British heritage but he'd never set foot here till he was in his 20's and already racing professionally- his British licence is a marriage of convenience.

He has ridden a fantastic tour and ridden a far more dominant tour than Wiggins did. Personally think that on this year's course Wiggins would have struggled to get close to the podium had he started (and that's assuming he'd had last years form which he isn't even close too). Froome has been great in the mountains, great in the time trials and has a weaker SKY team than last year. He has ridden fantastically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gonna give a big shout out for the legend who is Jens Voight. His "success" record may not be that great in terms of stage wins etc but Le Tour would be a lot less interesting without the likes of him taking part.

One also has to assume that he is, and always has been drug free for 16 years or so.

Talking of drugs, it is often said you can tell a druggie by the look of there eyes. Anyone else notice how many of the cyclists now wear sunglasses?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We wait 80 odd year for a British winner then like buses 2 come together,well done Chris Froome"

And the fact that he is obviously doped doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone...

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By *exycleanerWoman
over a year ago

pontefract

leave em alone they are not all cheats

like to see some of you lot ride up the col de la colombiere and if you not know

what it is google it .

at least they work hard n not chase a bag of wind round a field and get paid thousands to do so ,and i do know what im talking about ive seen le tour .been there

and watched it x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We wait 80 odd year for a British winner then like buses 2 come together,well done Chris Froome

And the fact that he is obviously doped doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone...

He wasn't that much of a dope the other day when blatantly breaking race rules to avoid losing minutes.

Only to lose 20 secs and 140 euros or so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We wait 80 odd year for a British winner then like buses 2 come together,well done Chris Froome

And the fact that he is obviously doped doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone...

?wheres the proof eh??? come on spit it out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"leave em alone they are not all cheats

like to see some of you lot ride up the col de la colombiere and if you not know

what it is google it .

at least they work hard n not chase a bag of wind round a field and get paid thousands to do so ,and i do know what im talking about ive seen le tour .been there

and watched it x"

I agree: the guys in the back, fighting everyday to finish in time, they're not cheating!

But Froome is going faster than Armstrong (who wasn't only using water to fuel his effort!) and, if you read the international press (especially the french one), you'll discover that his health records are not exactly clear...

And for having cycled regularly on some of the hills/moutains roads used during the Tour, I know the amount of effort it takes...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally don't believe he is clean, but congrats to him all the same."

What do you base that on?

You an expert in the science of doping in sport?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the problem is for a lot of people that the person before, a certain "mr Lance Armstrong" never tested positive in a test either whilst competing... and it was only because he came back they were allowed to go back and check the old samples

Team Sky can do everything they want, giving figures and data to l'equipe.... or to WADA, and some people are never going to believe

there was a great quote for the Garmin-Sharp CEO when he was asked about froome and doping and people doubting

"Of course. But I don’t think that the definitive answer to that comes out for a while … With time, all truth is revealed. But like I said, my hope and belief — put it to you this way. If you put a gun to my head and say, is Chris Froome clean or is Chris Froome not? You get it wrong and the bullet goes off, right? My expectation would be that I would hear “click” and the bullet wouldn’t go off. But would I be f—ing wincing beforehand? Yes."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"leave em alone they are not all cheats

like to see some of you lot ride up the col de la colombiere and if you not know

what it is google it .

at least they work hard n not chase a bag of wind round a field and get paid thousands to do so ,and i do know what im talking about ive seen le tour .been there

and watched it x

I agree: the guys in the back, fighting everyday to finish in time, they're not cheating!

And for having cycled regularly on some of the hills/moutains roads used during the Tour, I know the amount of effort it takes..."

So by your rather flimsy theory anyone who has ran faster than ben johnsons winstrol boosted time must also be on steroids.??

Goo job you are not a judge!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"leave em alone they are not all cheats

like to see some of you lot ride up the col de la colombiere and if you not know

what it is google it .

at least they work hard n not chase a bag of wind round a field and get paid thousands to do so ,and i do know what im talking about ive seen le tour .been there

and watched it x

I agree: the guys in the back, fighting everyday to finish in time, they're not cheating!

And for having cycled regularly on some of the hills/moutains roads used during the Tour, I know the amount of effort it takes..."

yawn!

so yi dont have any proof then? ya just goin of wot yi read in the press ! tut tut!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speaking of athletes, i recall that "Ginseng Tea" is rather helpful over a 100m.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"leave em alone they are not all cheats

like to see some of you lot ride up the col de la colombiere and if you not know

what it is google it .

at least they work hard n not chase a bag of wind round a field and get paid thousands to do so ,and i do know what im talking about ive seen le tour .been there

and watched it x

I agree: the guys in the back, fighting everyday to finish in time, they're not cheating!

And for having cycled regularly on some of the hills/moutains roads used during the Tour, I know the amount of effort it takes..."

There is plenty of speculation that he is doping because of that. There is also the fact that less than 2 years ago he was so mediocre that he was out of contract, a decision SKY reversed after the 2011 Vuelta and the improvement is pretty unbelievable.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We wait 80 odd year for a British winner then like buses 2 come together,well done Chris Froome

And the fact that he is obviously doped doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone...

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WoW he's a dope Cheat, I'll just Chang my post

We wait 80 odd years then 2 come together, well done Chris Froome, However apparently you took dope according to some but who am I to argue they know best

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

do they not always point to the fact he had "Bilharzia" and that it wasn't properly diagnosed or treated before he got to sky

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

do they not always point to the fact he had "Bilharzia" and that it wasn't properly diagnosed or treated before he got to sky "

Yeah but he'd been with SKY since they launched and done nothing. He had already been told they weren;t renewing his contract before the Vuelta. That is why they made him work for Wiggins, because he was expected to crack, as it was it was Wiggins that cracked (relatively speaking) and if they had backed Froome he'd most likely have won.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100% agree Jens Voight tdf legend. Big shout to gerraint finishing today with that fracture

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We wait 80 odd year for a British winner then like buses 2 come together,well done Chris Froome

And the fact that he is obviously doped doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone...

He wasn't that much of a dope the other day when blatantly breaking race rules to avoid losing

Only to lose 20 secs and 140 euros or so. "

quite agree froome was out of fuel! Nothing left in the tank so needed a sugar hit not drugs !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We wait 80 odd year for a British winner then like buses 2 come together,well done Chris Froome

And the fact that he is obviously doped doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone...

He wasn't that much of a dope the other day when blatantly breaking race rules to avoid losing

Only to lose 20 secs and 140 euros or so.

quite agree froome was out of fuel! Nothing left in the tank so needed a sugar hit not drugs !!"

Not saying he needed drugs.

The rules were made clear, take on board as much food/fuel as you want/need before the start of the second climb up Alpe D'Huez. Itself an extension on the normal distance rule.

Had Froome slowed up and waited for his team car, as others did, he would have lost touch with such as Quintano and Contador at the bottom and not had the free tow up the hill, most likely losing minutes. Very lucky he was only penalised 20 seconds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Believe that the team car had problems and sky riders were not able to take fluid, gels whatever on board before the start of the climb. Its not the case of they were not allowed to take anything but having the team car give them the fuel so blame is just as much on managment for allowing the call!

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By *coobyroo218Couple
over a year ago

Guernsey

Oh come on guys, the bloke and 168 others have just finished a race everyone on here could not do in 3 months let alone 3 weeks, he won by 5 mins (ok 4.20 but he waited on the last stage) not 10 or 15.

He was never actually on his own the whole time, he always had other cyclists around him and not his team either, so does that mean they are doping too???

Ok the guys that came 2nd and third and forth are they doping also as they beat the 10 place guy by 7 or 8 mins so what does that say???

I find it very sad that guys give up a very big part of their lives to take part in these sports and all people can do is pull them down when they achieve their goal the strive so hard to get.

SHAME ON YOU

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh come on guys, the bloke and 168 others have just finished a race everyone on here could not do in 3 months let alone 3 weeks, he won by 5 mins (ok 4.20 but he waited on the last stage) not 10 or 15.

He was never actually on his own the whole time, he always had other cyclists around him and not his team either, so does that mean they are doping too???

Ok the guys that came 2nd and third and forth are they doping also as they beat the 10 place guy by 7 or 8 mins so what does that say???

I find it very sad that guys give up a very big part of their lives to take part in these sports and all people can do is pull them down when they achieve their goal the strive so hard to get.

SHAME ON YOU

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

He was never actually on his own the whole time, he always had other cyclists around him and not his team either, so does that mean they are doping too???

Ok the guys that came 2nd and third and forth are they doping also as they beat the 10 place guy by 7 or 8 mins so what does that say???

I find it very sad that guys give up a very big part of their lives to take part in these sports and all people can do is pull them down when they achieve their goal the strive so hard to get.

SHAME ON YOU

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said

As a rule the biggest critics would have an heart attack riding down alpe dhuez.

Give the fittest men on the planet th credit they are due.

I respect them more than any other sport.

There is no way froome is doping,sky have far too much on the clean stance.

Ventoux was the greatest sporting event I've ever seen.gives me goose bumps watching it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He was never actually on his own the whole time, he always had other cyclists around him and not his team either, so does that mean they are doping too???

Ok the guys that came 2nd and third and forth are they doping also as they beat the 10 place guy by 7 or 8 mins so what does that say???

Let's have a look at some of their histories then.

Contador, previous ban for doping. Rides for Saxon bank a team managed by an unapologetic self confessed ex-doper who is one of only a handful team managers to have ignored the gentleman agreement not to sign convicted doers.

Kreuziger. Rides for the same team as Contador. Has previously confessed to working with notorious coach Michelle ferrari who is banned from the sport

Valervede. Another convicted doper. Rides for a team with a very dodgy past who are another to have ignored the gentleman agreement about signing previously banned riders.

Ridriguez. Rides for a team so dodgy that the UCI wouldn't give them a license to race at the start of this season. And after over a decade in the sport has only ridden in teams that have been involved in doping scandals while he has been one of their riders.

The Belkin riders. The team formerly known as rabobank who infamously sacked Michael Rasmussen when he was in the yellow jersey when it became apparent he was facing a ban. Rabobank ended their sponsorship early this year after numerous doping scandals but honoured their financial commitment such was their eagerness to not have their brand tarnished further.

All circumstantial but lets put this in the context of a sport where almost every GC rider of the last 20 being subsequently discredited.

In my opinion doping is still rife and will be until such time that those promoting and policing the sport are separated. It is unbelievable that those still governing the sport took bribes from Armstrong.

As for Sky, I hope they are clean but I'm not convened and like many that are longterm fans, a lifetime of scandals coupled with numerous new beginnings, it will take a longtime for that cynicism to fade.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I thought the light show on the Arc was amazing!!

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