FabSwingers.com forum: How was the world created

By *BC TWO OP Couple (MM)
over a year ago

Leicester / Birmingham /Bucks

Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not both?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Science for me being athiest and all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gravity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was 2 atoms banging together

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation"

Maybe it was God, conducting a scientific experiment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pretty sure it all started with a big bang though ;o)

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By *ysteryboatMan
over a year ago

Brighton

immaculate conception ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think it was 2 blokes sitting on the bank of the universe and threw a stone into the puddle of the big black area of space and then the big bang happened and the rest is history , either that or battlestar galactica is a true story

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How does anyone really know ???

Unless you were there at the time of course

Id like to think its always been here just floating about

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'm rather taken by band theory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A giant sky turtle did a big trump and we are on one of his clagnuts just drifting around

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation"

I don’t feel sufficiently qualified or experienced in this life to give an accurate answer….!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's like The Truman Show. People are watching us. And laughing.

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By *oasterCockbumMan
over a year ago

Highway 61

Mibby oor solar systems jist an atom in a rabbit shit in a puddle oan a bigger world ..... in which case oo were shat fi a bunny .... possibly a giant mixi bunny .......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Terry Pratchett had the funniest statement on the nature of creation, along the lines of

'Humans are such a sensationalist species ''in the beginning, there was nothing - which then exploded''

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big bang. No all powerful deity using its science kit or magic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Big bang. No all powerful deity using its science kit or magic. "

the world is made out of protons, neutrons and eletrons...they forgot to add the morons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Big bang. No all powerful deity using its science kit or magic.

the world is made out of protons, neutrons and eletrons...they forgot to add the morons

You're not wrong there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think it was something to do with chuck norris

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation"

Hmmmm.....tricky as for a couple of 1000 years, everyone thought it was god, then the big bang theory was developed in the 20th century and initially, most people thought it was a load of old tosh, then gradually accepted it....it's only a theory still....and now we have dark matter which we didn't have as kids...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation

The truth is, no-one knows. They think they know. They thought the world was flat..... They only know what they know now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the answer is 42

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By *rnycpl2705Couple
over a year ago

Killin

Who said the world was created.....maybe we don't actually exist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who said the world was created.....maybe we don't actually exist

but who's figment are we then?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Paper, string, cardboard, glue & stickybacked plastic with a fairy washing up bottle as Mt Everest

*courtesy of the blue peter information department*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The omnipotent being created the universal big bang and has guided the universe ever since.....

To say it was all done in six days is as literal as saying that Moses lived 700 years....( or whoever it was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The omnipotent being created the universal big bang and has guided the universe ever since.....

To say it was all done in six days is as literal as saying that Moses lived 700 years....( or whoever it was

I think everyone takes it too literal. They probably mean 7 stages/parts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the answer is 42"

Did you ask Siri?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

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"The omnipotent being created the universal big bang and has guided the universe ever since.....

To say it was all done in six days is as literal as saying that Moses lived 700 years....( or whoever it was

Moses, who the f*$! is he.

I am Methuselah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who cares?

I'm more worried about the greenfly on me rose bush !!

LIFE - ya live, ya die, n a bit happens inbetween

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By *plankyMan
over a year ago

Beeston

A lot of the replies on here are about Big Bang Theory - which has to do with the origin of the Universe.

But the OP asked about the World. The origin of the world is easily explained by conventional science. The formation and evolution of the solar system is described in a straightforward way many astronomy textbooks and science publications.

The OP asked the question "How was the world created?"

Well ... it wasn't! It evolved from a giant dust cloud between 4 and 5 billion years ago. There is no evidence to the contrary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You know, maybe there's a middle ground where we can all stand.

Intelligent Evolution.

The idea that an omnipotence kicked off the big bang and sat back to watch how it all plays out - like the man who pushes the first domino in the chain.

That way, we can all be right.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"You know, maybe there's a middle ground where we can all stand.

Intelligent Evolution.

The idea that an omnipotence kicked off the big bang and sat back to watch how it all plays out - like the man who pushes the first domino in the chain.

That way, we can all be right."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I normally go the scientific route but there's a flaw.

What is the possibility that the big bang was a result of Ms Gods first PMT attack?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well i am a total non religious guy. I accept science and proof. However one thing does tick me over.....

Bible says earth was created thousands of years ago not billions like science shows.....

However.....

If god created adam and eve, he created them in adulthood ie allready x number of years old.

So could he not of created the universe thousands of years ago, but allready old...

Again im one for science but this does get me....

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

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"It evolved from a giant dust cloud between 4 and 5 billion years ago. There is no evidence to the contrary."

I could have sworn I told the missus to clean the filter out on the vac ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The omnipotent being created the universal big bang and has guided the universe ever since.....

To say it was all done in six days is as literal as saying that Moses lived 700 years....( or whoever it was

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Moses, who the f*$! is he.

I am Methuselah

I got a Jereboam that says you ain't....

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

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"I got a Jereboam that says you ain't....

Ok, I'll barter with you, 3 Tetradrachm and 6 Ma'ah, you can throw in a bag of Dry Roast as well if you like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't know for certain how it all started but we do know for certain that traditional religion got it very wrong.

Science has done much better so far, and I'll plant my flag with science. That said, the scientific revolution as we know it may just be one step in many yet to come.

Years from now science may be looked at in the same way that I currently view religion.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation"

OP, what do you think..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I got a Jereboam that says you ain't....

Ok, I'll barter with you, 3 Tetradrachm and 6 Ma'ah, you can throw in a bag of Dry Roast as well if you like

No good offering ya salty nuts....

Ya'll need myrrh than that....

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation"

The great thing about science is it's true whether you believe it or not.

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over a year ago

"I got a Jereboam that says you ain't....

Ok, I'll barter with you, 3 Tetradrachm and 6 Ma'ah, you can throw in a bag of Dry Roast as well if you like

No good offering ya salty nuts....

Ya'll need myrrh than that....

Ahem! They ARE superstalkers nuts ! It's only last week they were in the vicinity of froggydisneyfawn n this week they've hitched up to Sunderland to SOXY so if ya wanna be in the A list of celebs u may wanna have a reconsider lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I got a Jereboam that says you ain't....

Ok, I'll barter with you, 3 Tetradrachm and 6 Ma'ah, you can throw in a bag of Dry Roast as well if you like

No good offering ya salty nuts....

Ya'll need myrrh than that....

Psst.... It's coz he was daft enough to get too cleaver with these two that his nuts are dry roasted...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation

The great thing about science is it's true whether you believe it or not. "

Ahem, does that include Climate Change reports coming out of East Anglian Universities?

The science of deleting e-mails too lol.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation

The great thing about science is it's true whether you believe it or not.

Ahem, does that include Climate Change reports coming out of East Anglian Universities?

The science of deleting e-mails too lol. "

My point is there is no "believe" when it comes to science.

Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation

The great thing about science is it's true whether you believe it or not.

Ahem, does that include Climate Change reports coming out of East Anglian Universities? "

Nope.... That's the Fenfolk hoping for global warming to flood the Wash.... So they can use their webbed fingers and toes....

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london

Why must there have been a beginning? That is the next layer to the tired and mysterious question. Also, what about the big bounce theory?

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"Why must there have been a beginning? That is the next layer to the tired and mysterious question. Also, what about the big bounce theory?"

Before the beginning there was no time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A supermassive gas cloud combined over billions of years and became so big and dense it exploded on itself, this is what creates stars, our sun, our solar system and its planets are the remnants of this big bang.

Green zone bla bla earth is the perfect distance from the sun to sustain life, millions of years bla bla.

The big question is, "where do we come from? complex intelligent human beings"

Can life emerge from lifelessness?

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"A supermassive gas cloud combined over billions of years and became so big and dense it exploded on itself, this is what creates stars, our sun, our solar system and its planets are the remnants of this big bang.

Green zone bla bla earth is the perfect distance from the sun to sustain life, millions of years bla bla.

The big question is, "where do we come from? complex intelligent human beings"

Can life emerge from lifelessness?"

Apparently so!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Green zone bla bla earth is the perfect distance from the sun to sustain life, millions of years bla bla.

The big question is, "where do we come from? complex intelligent human beings"

Can life emerge from lifelessness?

Apparently so! "

The first 2 lines of that sounds like the staff in my workplace

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a different theory, but will it ever be proven?

Lets assume there was a pool of goop, or amino acids that combines with certain proteins etc etc bla bla

Could over 4 million species of creature really emerge from the same pool of goop?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2 films spring to mind that could ponder a theory

Knowing

Prometheus

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation"

If you read a book called "The attempted murder of God" you will find your answer. The author of the book uses science to explain why God is the only possible answer. He also explains why the theory of evolution is impossible and thus called a theory.

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

On saying that though some scientists are starting to believe we all live in a computer and are part of some sort of sim game.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no spoon.!

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"I have a different theory, but will it ever be proven?

Lets assume there was a pool of goop, or amino acids that combines with certain proteins etc etc bla bla

Could over 4 million species of creature really emerge from the same pool of goop?"

Yes, and more. Every living thing on this planet has a common ancestor which can be traced back from DNA.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation

Try reading The God Dillusion, and you will see why the arguments put forward in The Murder of God" are defenceless.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation

You misunderstand what a scientific theory is. Gravity is a theory but I don't see you dismissing that and flying off into space.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

imagine the universe was just one single thought from some obviously larger entity..that thought can last billions of years to us, and only a fraction of a second to it.Now imagine those thoughts multiplied into infinity.

the same process might work exactly on our level, with the smallest of particles , living their own existence and possibly knowing us as a huge cosmic force

The real leap will come from artificial intelligence, that is 'self-aware', I cant see that as impossible, and in fact it could be our ultimate evolution, and the only way to survive the changes the extreme conditions we would face when the sun dies(and of we are of course possibly not needing to rely on planets etc)

I'd ask this as a last point..if we kept destroying our environments..would we be classed as a cancer to the larger universe entity that we inhabit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On saying that though some scientists are starting to believe we all live in a computer and are part of some sort of sim game. "

I'm waiting for this level to finish and a new one to start

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By *plankyMan
over a year ago

Beeston

Are there any other completely random theories to put forward?

What's the evidence that there is only One God (who prefers to speak to his Chosen people in Arabic, Jewish, Tibetan or broad Yorkshire) as opposed to Many Gods (who spend most of their time fighting and fucking)?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

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"I got a Jereboam that says you ain't....

Ok, I'll barter with you, 3 Tetradrachm and 6 Ma'ah, you can throw in a bag of Dry Roast as well if you like

No good offering ya salty nuts....

Ya'll need myrrh than that....

Now look here Frank, if you had any sense in ya, you would know this was too much of a golden opportunity to turn down

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London

Where's the evidence that there is any god? Science provides evidence to back up theories, faith and religion do not. Religion just expects you to believe something just because they tell you to believe it and threaten you with hell if you don't.

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By *plankyMan
over a year ago

Beeston

Yep.

The observable evidence fits the notion that the number of gods is .... zero.

If that is not certain but only probable, then there is equal probability that the number of Gods is N where N is any number greater than zero from 1 to Infinity (and beyond)?

Why all this talk of one God and not of the multiple Gods that might exist (if there were any Gods at all)?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

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God Is Dead? - Black Sabbath 13

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By *plankyMan
over a year ago

Beeston

the Black Sabbath song repeats "I don’t believe that God is dead" before getting to the chorus "God is Dead".

But how you gonna prove something is dead if you can't prove it ever existed?

And when there are so many exclusive claims that the only god is christian or Jewish or Islamic (and ignoring all the possibilities of many gods).

Just to make it interesting:

Here is what the Islamic God says in Quran 5:33 "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter".

And here is what the merciful omniscient Christian / Jewish god says in the Bible "If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity."

— DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12

Christianity or Islam - which is better?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

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"Christianity or Islam - which is better?"

I think Harry Hill hit the nail on the head....

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

Merseyside

"Where's the evidence that there is any god? Science provides evidence to back up theories, faith and religion do not. Religion just expects you to believe something just because they tell you to believe it and threaten you with hell if you don't."

Scientists have proven there is a God.

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By *plankyMan
over a year ago

Beeston

Scientists have proven there is a God. "

Show me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A possible answer to the OP's question is that the world I.e. this planet was created by 2 planets colliding, this theory stems from the unusually high levels of iron at the core. Where those two came from I have no idea.

But time is another matter, time is not a constant it's a variable. We calculate a year from one revolution of the orbit round our sun. If the orbit was larger or slower then a year would be different. Days are a revolution of the planet on its axis, therefore time is only relevant here, it's different everywhere else. So 4 billion years is no time at all to whatever our sun may be orbiting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When our sun dies, we die.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Flour, sugar and water, dusted with icing sugar served with a nice cup of tea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I can say is If god created the world then he done a pretty shit job of it as the assholes who are running it need a bit of education in reality rather than living in their world. God is an asshole too to be fair but that's another rant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I got a Jereboam that says you ain't....

Ok, I'll barter with you, 3 Tetradrachm and 6 Ma'ah, you can throw in a bag of Dry Roast as well if you like

No good offering ya salty nuts....

Ya'll need myrrh than that....

Now look here Frank, if you had any sense in ya, you would know this was too much of a golden opportunity to turn down

Ahh Saul...!! You're a Star....

I should be insensed, but you are so pale I think of you as the wan king.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does anyone really know ???

Unless you were there at the time of course

Id like to think its always been here just floating about "

We do know.

Its been played out in all its different stages in the visable universe

We can view this and all the evidence fits our solar system model

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

No one can see dark matter!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the day I see any evidence of god I will believe in him, until then i'm sticking with facts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its simple our entire universe is just an experiment in a giants petri dish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the day I see any evidence of god I will believe in him, until then i'm sticking with facts "

Something along these lines for me...

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"the day I see any evidence of god I will believe in him, until then i'm sticking with facts

Something along these lines for me..."

Especially if it turned out that Dartmoor was the centre of the Universe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the day I see any evidence of god I will believe in him, until then i'm sticking with facts "

That's irony of the religious nutters ideas.I would say theory,but a theory is an idea based on tested evidence.

Anyway back on track

They ask for scientists to produce evidence of the big bang etc yet they base their whole belief on a man made story without a atom of proof to back it up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No one can see dark matter!

Wot, not even if they turn the light on?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"No one can see dark matter!

Wot, not even if they turn the light on?

Well, obviously when one puts the light on, the dark goes. But where does it go? I think it all squishes together in shadows and stuff.

Anyway, I think the world was created by bits of stars and elements and rocks and dust all being attracted to each other by gravity (as someone earlier in the thread mentioned) and coalescing into bigger lumps and so on. Easy peasy physics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My brain hurts...

I wasn't here, now i am... In 50 or so years i won't be any longer!

That is all i need to know!!

So I'm enjoying it while I can.. Who cares where we came from??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I too asked these questions - where does the world come from and how does it work....?

So I did the logical thing and did an Earth Science degree with the Open Uni.... and now I understand!

it's all quite simple really....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A possible answer to the OP's question is that the world I.e. this planet was created by 2 planets colliding, this theory stems from the unusually high levels of iron at the core. Where those two came from I have no idea.

Time doesnt actually exist it is something that we have cunjured up to measure and predict things.

A second is measured as 9billion (approx)radiations (motions) of caesium 133.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time is definitely not a constant. There is only one true constant......

The speed of light.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres a new theory that explains a lot of the unexplainable theories at the minute such as what started the big bang? What caused inflation to end (if only it was the monetary inflation) and dark matter.

The theory is our universe is in fact inside a black hole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aliens

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

Time doesnt actually exist it is something that we have cunjured up to measure and predict things.

A second is measured as 9billion (approx)radiations (motions) of caesium 133. "

Time does exist, it's the way we choose to divide it up that is man made. Time is a dimention, as real as up or down.

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over a year ago

"Time doesnt actually exist it is something that we have cunjured up to measure and predict things.

A second is measured as 9billion (approx)radiations (motions) of caesium 133. "

Well yes and no, a day was calculated as 1 period of dark and one period of light, this must have been the case unless we later forgot the world span on an axis. This unit of time was split into smaller units by someone (I have no idea who came up with hours but have seen some pretty old sun dials that indicate someone did) getting split into minutes and seconds, probably came later when other factors required a closer measurement of time, THEN we discovered a second is second is 9billion (approx)radiations (motions) of caesium 133, some time after we discovered caesium 133.

Point being that every observation on time is based on a viewpoint from this planet. Which is pretty close to the truth of every scientific observation of anything as we don't have a frame of reference for any other observational point.

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over a year ago

"Time is definitely not a constant. There is only one true constant......

The speed of light.

What is the speed of light through treacle?

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over a year ago

"Time is definitely not a constant. There is only one true constant......

The speed of light.

What is the speed of light through treacle?

299,792,458 metres per second and dont call me treacle

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Most enlightened people realise it was made with magnets. You will pretty much find magnet technology at the heart of most things.

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over a year ago

"Time is definitely not a constant. There is only one true constant......

The speed of light.

What is the speed of light through treacle?

299,792,458 metres per second and dont call me treacle

Oh good I was worried cos time seems slower in the treacle mines

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over a year ago

"Most enlightened people realise it was made with magnets. You will pretty much find magnet technology at the heart of most things.

that makes me happy I like magnets

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over a year ago

Time doesnt actually exist it is something that we have cunjured up to measure and predict things.

A second is measured as 9billion (approx)radiations (motions) of caesium 133.

Time does exist, it's the way we choose to divide it up that is man made. Time is a dimention, as real as up or down. "

In space there is no up or down up or down.we perceive up as the direction away from the centre of gravity if you were looking from space at earth my perception of up in teesside would be completely different from someone in Australia. If you are in space and you want to go up which way do you go? There is no fixed point no reference to gravity

I should rephrase what i said about "time". Time s a human perception that describes motion. For example the earliest form of time keeping was a sun dial this progressed to clocks now if we measured the speed of a car we are comparing its motion to the motion of the hand of the clock and thus to the fractional movement of the sun. These references could be compared without any reference to time.

The feeling of time is probably a concept created by our mind to order and make sense of the world which is filled with motion and change.

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over a year ago

I think the Big Bang is no more than just a theory. I don't believe in it as it doesn't make sense.

The earth itself is a living thing. Growing in size and feeding from the dead. I think we were just a mass of land that over time has expanded so much as to break apart and create the oceans and continents

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"I think the Big Bang is no more than just a theory. I don't believe in it as it doesn't make sense.

Think you need to google Plate Tectonics..the size of the Earth is constant

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

Time doesnt actually exist it is something that we have cunjured up to measure and predict things.

A second is measured as 9billion (approx)radiations (motions) of caesium 133.

Time does exist, it's the way we choose to divide it up that is man made. Time is a dimention, as real as up or down.

The feeling of time is probably a concept created by our mind to order and make sense of the world which is filled with motion and change. "

Interesting! I get what you're trying to say, with no reference point "up" and "down" don't really exist but even in deep space you can still move in three dimensions.

Using your space analogy, if you were completely motionless in space, time would still pass, it is completely independent of motion.

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over a year ago

" measured the speed of a car we are comparing its motion to the motion of the hand of the clock and thus to the fractional movement of the sun. "

The speed calculation is also flawed as it takes no account of the rotation of this planet, nor it's orbit around the sun (both of which we have numbers for) but then the sun is possibly also orbiting something at a speed we have no basis of calculation for as we don't know where or if that something exists, perhaps it's God?

Or of course the sun could be an electron happily spinning around some neutron and proton arrangement which in turn joins with others to form a cell in a tasty morsel, which could at any time be gobbled up by some predator, we could possibly survive this small galactic tragedy, but eventually we would end up in the shit

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"I think the Big Bang is no more than just a theory. I don't believe in it as it doesn't make sense.

Think you need to google Plate Tectonics..the size of the Earth is constant"

I think he needs to google a lot of things

Starting with the definition of the word "theory" when it's used regarding science.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

I am sure it was Pluto fucking Uranus without a condom and the dirty dog slipped into the pussy and 9 months later the world was created

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over a year ago

"I think the Big Bang is no more than just a theory. I don't believe in it as it doesn't make sense.

Think you need to google Plate Tectonics..the size of the Earth is constant"

The earth isnt technically a constant, it has grown over time an is believed to have been a planitesimal and has collided with many large asteroids and grown with each collision. The moon is determined to be created by one of these collisions and was originally a large ball of magma which has cooled over time

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over a year ago

Not sure how the World was created..... But....

After forty days and nights with an Arc full of animals, Mrs Noah had all the sh*t swept off the boat.... It lay there for millenia.... Until Columbus discovered it....

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over a year ago

" measured the speed of a car we are comparing its motion to the motion of the hand of the clock and thus to the fractional movement of the sun.

Thats where the new theory of us being in a black hole comes in (which i mentioned earlier) i wont go in to detail but it does make for a good read.

Love debating this sort of stuff, i wont say anyone is right or wrong as my mind isnt big enough to comprehend it all lol

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over a year ago

"Using your space analogy, if you were completely motionless in space, time would still pass, it is completely independent of motion. "

Yes time would still pass but as a measurement of relative distance, if you were on Mars then a year would take approx 686.98 days but a day would be pretty close to an earth day. you could of course take an atomic clock from here and presuming no Mars based differences changed the known constants, could technically still work on Earth time, but it would not be a relevant time to the orbit or rotation of that planet.

In space I am presuming you would not be spinning over any given constant so the concept of days would be meaningless, but would be orbiting (gravity would be a bit harsh if you were not) so the concept of a year would exist but not necessarily take 8765.81277 hours.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"I think the Big Bang is no more than just a theory. I don't believe in it as it doesn't make sense.

Think you need to google Plate Tectonics..the size of the Earth is constant

Leaving out external forces the size of the Earth is constant thanks to the recycling mechanism that is Plate Tectonics..certainly not growing in size through feeding from the dead!

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over a year ago

"I think the Big Bang is no more than just a theory. I don't believe in it as it doesn't make sense.

Think you need to google Plate Tectonics..the size of the Earth is constant

Leaving out external forces the size of the Earth is constant thanks to the recycling mechanism that is Plate Tectonics..certainly not growing in size through feeding from the dead! "

Ha ha no certainly not! I dont think its a big hungry monster!

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Most enlightened people realise it was made with magnets. You will pretty much find magnet technology at the heart of most things.

that makes me happy I like magnets

It's why you're so attractive

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

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"Using your space analogy, if you were completely motionless in space, time would still pass, it is completely independent of motion.

I actually meant deep space, not on another celestial body either in this solar system or another.

I wasn't talking about time as seconds, minutes, hours, days or even years. I meant time as a dimension. However we choose to define it is irrelevant, it would exist without us to perceive it.

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over a year ago

"Love debating this sort of stuff, i wont say anyone is right or wrong as my mind isnt big enough to comprehend it all lol"

Einstein had a good theory on space being a finite sphere, which stacks up with gravity and movement being the basis of all our knowledge. He ended his presentation of this theory with a question of what is on the other side of the sphere?

I think we have an inbuilt fear of infinity, which makes it our nature to build walls start and stop points, which makes the concept easier to hold on to. hence the big bang theory being much more popular than the question, what went bang?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

cannot be god, explain scunthorpe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you think that's mad try reading a book called " who built the moon"? We did

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over a year ago

"I wasn't talking about time as seconds, minutes, hours, days or even years. I meant time as a dimension. However we choose to define it is irrelevant, it would exist without us to perceive it. "

Which goes back to my original point that time is a variable not a constant.

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over a year ago

"Most enlightened people realise it was made with magnets. You will pretty much find magnet technology at the heart of most things.

that makes me happy I like magnets

It's why you're so attractive

flirt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"cannot be god, explain scunthorpe"
every house needs a bin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Right got to do some work now, please PM me when you have worked out the answer

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By *hyllyphyllyMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Couldn't have been God..... unless the missing book which mentions the dinosaurs got found.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"I wasn't talking about time as seconds, minutes, hours, days or even years. I meant time as a dimension. However we choose to define it is irrelevant, it would exist without us to perceive it.

Which goes back to my original point that time is a variable not a constant. "

Not so much a variable as relative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps our world is just a rouge piece of sweet-corn shate from the arse of an interstellar giant who doesn’t chew his food properly…….

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

"Perhaps our world is just a rouge piece of sweet-corn shate from the arse of an interstellar giant who doesn’t chew his food properly…….

That means the world as we know it could be trapped under his foreskin

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over a year ago

"Perhaps our world is just a rouge piece of sweet-corn shate from the arse of an interstellar giant who doesn’t chew his food properly…….

That means the world as we know it could be trapped under his foreskin

Good thinking Ryan,,,,, not only have we answered how our world was created, I think we've also just explained the reason behind black holes....

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

"Perhaps our world is just a rouge piece of sweet-corn shate from the arse of an interstellar giant who doesn’t chew his food properly…….

That means the world as we know it could be trapped under his foreskin

Good thinking Ryan,,,,, not only have we answered how our world was created, I think we've also just explained the reason behind black holes....

And tsunamis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is fact, CARBON & GOLD are two elements that can only be produced by a dying star. We are carbon based, we are stardust.

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By *ptimum trajectoryCouple
over a year ago

gloucester

we are all just an amalgam of carbon standing on an ember floating through a celestial nothingness.

right now that's sorted anyone fancy a shag hehehe

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over a year ago

"I think the Big Bang is no more than just a theory. I don't believe in it as it doesn't make sense.

Think you need to google Plate Tectonics..the size of the Earth is constant

I think he needs to google a lot of things

Starting with the definition of the word "theory" when it's used regarding science. "

well said mate

i was going to say the same thing

the term theory is miss used alot

some religious types say creation is a theory,it 100 % is not a theory

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"I think the Big Bang is no more than just a theory. I don't believe in it as it doesn't make sense.

Think you need to google Plate Tectonics..the size of the Earth is constant

I think he needs to google a lot of things

Starting with the definition of the word "theory" when it's used regarding science.

well said mate

i was going to say the same thing

the term theory is miss used alot

some religious types say creation is a theory,it 100 % is not a theory"

Yeah, it really annoys me when people say something is "just a theory". If they can't grasp the difference between a hypothesis and a theory then their opinion isn't worth anything. The other one that annoys me is correlation does not imply causation, a lot of pseudo-scientific crap ignores that.

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london

"Time is definitely not a constant. There is only one true constant......

The speed of light.

What is the speed of light through treacle?

299,792,458 metres per second and dont call me treacle

I recently watched a TED talk which refers to the speed of light having changed over the years based on different readings and how scientists try to brush that research away hoping people don't mention it.

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london

"Why must there have been a beginning? That is the next layer to the tired and mysterious question. Also, what about the big bounce theory?

Before the beginning there was no time. "

But isn't 'time' a concept we created, to measure things by?

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over a year ago

Nothing in life is certain. If it was then what would be the point?

Semantics aside - unless you were there to observe how the world was created.. you do have only theories.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"Nothing in life is certain. If it was then what would be the point?

Semantics aside - unless you were there to observe how the world was created.. you do have only theories."

There's that word again.

Please, everyone, just take a minute or two to put "theory" into wiki. Read the end of the first paragraph and the third paragraph, that will tell you why the Big Bang and evolution and even Pythagoras etc etc are all called theories.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you believe it was God? or do you believe in the scientific explanation

Try reading The God Dillusion, and you will see why the arguments put forward in The Murder of God" are defenceless."

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over a year ago

"Nothing in life is certain. If it was then what would be the point?

Semantics aside - unless you were there to observe how the world was created.. you do have only theories.

There's that word again.

Not until you google semantics.

If you have absolute proof I'm all ears..

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over a year ago

"Nothing in life is certain. If it was then what would be the point?

Semantics aside - unless you were there to observe how the world was created.. you do have only theories.

There's that word again.

You do realise wiki can be edited by anyone? I could make the definition of theory to mean my left tezzie if I wanted. Woukd that make it fact.

Think outside the box young padawan.

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over a year ago

"Why must there have been a beginning? That is the next layer to the tired and mysterious question. Also, what about the big bounce theory?

Before the beginning there was no time.

But isn't 'time' a concept we created, to measure things by? "

cause and event: only a conscious observer can measure something.Even a super computer could crack the maths, but as it isnt self aware(yet), they rely on sentient input... now u have the anthropic principle...basically that dictates there has been a sentience since the dawn of the universe..

maybe people should actually google or read a book or even watch fucking startrek

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London

"Nothing in life is certain. If it was then what would be the point?

Semantics aside - unless you were there to observe how the world was created.. you do have only theories.

There's that word again.

You do realise wiki can be edited by anyone? I could make the definition of theory to mean my left tezzie if I wanted. Woukd that make it fact.

Think outside the box young padawan."

In this case the definition of a theory on wiki is scientifically correct. Maybe look it up somewhere else as well...

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Science. No such thing as god.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm pretty sure it all started with a big bang though ;o)"

Me too

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London

"I'm pretty sure it all started with a big bang though ;o)

Me too

Well I could do with a big bang....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think maybe there's some confusion between the definition of theory and scientific theory.

Many scientists believe there is a God.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"Nothing in life is certain. If it was then what would be the point?

Semantics aside - unless you were there to observe how the world was created.. you do have only theories.

There's that word again.

You do realise wiki can be edited by anyone? I could make the definition of theory to mean my left tezzie if I wanted. Woukd that make it fact.

Think outside the box young padawan."

I chose wiki because we're already online and it's become the go-to source for most things but you could easily look it up in any number of books or places online, it will always say that a theory is not the same thing as a hypothesis.

And yes, I do know it can be edited by anyone. Do you know which wiki entry is most often edited (usually incorrectly)? It's Religion!

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over a year ago

Here and there

You do realise wiki can be edited by anyone? I could make the definition of theory to mean my left tezzie if I wanted. Woukd that make it fact.

Think outside the box young padawan."

Oh and "young Padawan"?

I'm five years younger than you and have a chemistry degree, I know a thing or two about the scientific method.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true. (I can do Star Wars references too)

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over a year ago

I hate this kind of pedantry. Rather than discuss the topic the focus becomes fixated with the definition of which words are used.

Some people have ideas. Other people agree with them. If enough believe there's credibility in them some may call it science.

Ultimately it's all people's ideas. Often based on others ideas. Sometimes those ideas on which they're based prove incorrect and this has a ripple effect on subsequent ideas.

But still they are ideas.

Once upon a time it was religion that was considered 'reality' while science was not. Ideas about that have now changed.

But as no human appears to have been present when the world was (or was not) created all that we have is ideas.

Well, that's my theory

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over a year ago

You do realise wiki can be edited by anyone? I could make the definition of theory to mean my left tezzie if I wanted. Woukd that make it fact.

Think outside the box young padawan.

Oh and "young Padawan"?

I'm five years younger than you and have a chemistry degree, I know a thing or two about the scientific method.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true. (I can do Star Wars references too)

a guy i met a long time ago told me there was absolutely no way AI could ever happen...that might have been in 2002

cant people see tech advancing tenfold or am I just stupid and some scifi freakbag...whats that...blending human brains with computers? how fucking silly, I must be off my rocker

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

I said it earlier and I will end my argument with it.

Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

And if perchance I have offended, think but this and all is mended.

We'd sooner be ten minutes back in time, for all the chance you'll change your mind.

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over a year ago

You do realise wiki can be edited by anyone? I could make the definition of theory to mean my left tezzie if I wanted. Woukd that make it fact.

Think outside the box young padawan.

Oh and "young Padawan"?

I'm five years younger than you and have a chemistry degree, I know a thing or two about the scientific method.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true. (I can do Star Wars references too)

a guy i met a long time ago told me there was absolutely no way AI could ever happen...that might have been in 2002

cant people see tech advancing tenfold or am I just stupid and some scifi freakbag...whats that...blending human brains with computers? how fucking silly, I must be off my rocker"

*sorry he was studying robotics at uni

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over a year ago

"I said it earlier and I will end my argument with it.

Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. "

Fair enough.

So what's your view on how the world was created?

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

A bit off topic but who cares how it started

YEs looking at the lessons of histroy we can try not to repeat mistakes in the future but we are all living on a dying planet, with limited resources, expanding populations, increased life expectancies and nowhere really to go, orbiting around a dying star.

Should science or religion be asked what happens next and what does the future hold

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over a year ago

The planet won't die - at least not through the things you mention. That's just man's arrogance. The planet was here long before, and will be here long after we have gone.

Man has been on here for a couple of million years or so. How long we're the dinosaurs here for?..

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

"I said it earlier and I will end my argument with it.

Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

Fair enough.

So what's your view on how the world was created?

Well I had intended on ducking out of this argument and going to bed.

Do you just mean how was earth formed? Or are we talking solar system, galaxy, universe?

If it's just this planet, it was formed like all of the others from an accretion disk around our star. It was initially smaller than it is now. At some point in its history another rocky planet approximately the size of mars collided with it and out of the wreckage of that collision the moon was also formed.

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over a year ago

"A bit off topic but who cares how it started

Should science or religion be asked what happens next and what does the future hold

what happens next?(bit of bladerunner really)

things will be automated, social unrest(we wont hand out food to those unneeded)

it basically starts with military.construction robots...then on a consumer level(theres lots of sci fi films that explain it)

there hasnt been much on cybernetics(in long term effects on a society), ony disabled ppl seem toi be the target of cybernetics so far.............but google many things about cybernetics

Ive said in previous forums, the only way to TRY surviving the galactic mess is to essentially become machine like, and the way the quantum world has actually made us warp our own interpretation of time , distance.....so we are actually visiting ourselves. sometimes not knowingly

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over a year ago

"I said it earlier and I will end my argument with it.

Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

Fair enough.

So what's your view on how the world was created?

Well I had intended on ducking out of this argument and going to bed.

Do you just mean how was earth formed? Or are we talking solar system, galaxy, universe?

I heard it was a planet of water...and it had mermaids with big tits

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over a year ago

"I said it earlier and I will end my argument with it.

Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

Fair enough.

So what's your view on how the world was created?

Well I had intended on ducking out of this argument and going to bed.

Do you just mean how was earth formed? Or are we talking solar system, galaxy, universe?

I heard it was a planet of water...and it had mermaids with big tits"

How do mermaids reproduce?

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over a year ago

And if perchance I have offended, think but this and all is mended.

We'd sooner be ten minutes back in time, for all the chance you'll change your mind. "

Isn't Tim great

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By *an and wifeyCouple
over a year ago

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Definitely science for me all the way

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over a year ago

Here and there

And if perchance I have offended, think but this and all is mended.

We'd sooner be ten minutes back in time, for all the chance you'll change your mind.

Isn't Tim great

Yeah, not only funny but a really smart guy too.

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