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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others?" Only if we go down the route of everyone having to have there own private medical insurance so parents can feed there kids crap and when they end up unhealthy there insurance pays for the hospital etc that way everyone can do what they want drink smoke do drugs etc but others don't have to pick up the bill Only a thought  | |||
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others?" Could you name another country that has the sort of unregulated freedom your suggesting  | |||
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others? Could you name another country that has the sort of unregulated freedom your suggesting "norfolk | |||
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others? Could you name another country that has the sort of unregulated freedom your suggesting "norfolk | |||
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others? Could you name another country that has the sort of unregulated freedom your suggesting
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others? Could you name another country that has the sort of unregulated freedom your suggesting "You could argue that no country is free. The only really freedom we have is to vote for who we want as our local MP. We do not get to choose who is in the cabinet, we do not get to choice the PM. We also have no say in who is in the house of Lords. | |||
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others? Could you name another country that has the sort of unregulated freedom your suggesting
You could argue that no country is free. The only really freedom we have is to vote for who we want as our local MP. We do not get to choose who is in the cabinet, we do not get to choice the PM. We also have no say in who is in the house of Lords."So which country's system do you envy? | |||
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others? Could you name another country that has the sort of unregulated freedom your suggesting
You could argue that no country is free. The only really freedom we have is to vote for who we want as our local MP. We do not get to choose who is in the cabinet, we do not get to choice the PM. We also have no say in who is in the house of Lords.
So which country's system do you envy? "Holland | |||
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"A totally free country would be similar to the lawless Wild West. So no." guns, cow girls, gunslinging duels with someone you don't like sounds good to me | |||
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others? Could you name another country that has the sort of unregulated freedom your suggesting
You could argue that no country is free. The only really freedom we have is to vote for who we want as our local MP. We do not get to choose who is in the cabinet, we do not get to choice the PM. We also have no say in who is in the house of Lords.
So which country's system do you envy?
Holland "Ok so what is it about the Dutch system and their way of life do you feel is better than ours? .... ....and which parts of the Dutch system and way of life do you feel are not as good as we have here? | |||
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"I'd say we have got a pretty good system...we could learn from countries like Denmark though.." So you do not mind other people telling you what you can eat, drink, read, watch etc? You my think I am being over the top and silly but if you look at some of the draft bills coming though you might be a little shocked. | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.." ooo windmill thingy, well that is a whole different forum topic in itself. | |||
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"I'd say we have got a pretty good system...we could learn from countries like Denmark though.. So you do not mind other people telling you what you can eat, drink, read, watch etc? You my think I am being over the top and silly but if you look at some of the draft bills coming though you might be a little shocked." I don't let anyone tell me what I can eat drink etc. I do what I want | |||
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others? Could you name another country that has the sort of unregulated freedom your suggesting
You could argue that no country is free. The only really freedom we have is to vote for who we want as our local MP. We do not get to choose who is in the cabinet, we do not get to choice the PM. We also have no say in who is in the house of Lords.
So which country's system do you envy?
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Ok so what is it about the Dutch system and their way of life do you feel is better than ours? ....
....and which parts of the Dutch system and way of life do you feel are not as good as we have here? "Legalising drugs, hard core pornography on terrestrial TV, err that's it | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.." and the girls are gorgeous  | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. and the girls are gorgeous "I know we can't help it...lol | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. and the girls are gorgeous "Yeah,,,, but Sam .... with the population of Denmark only being about five and a half million,,,, your chances of pulling over there aint looking all that good mate...  | |||
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"I'd say we have got a pretty good system...we could learn from countries like Denmark though.. So you do not mind other people telling you what you can eat, drink, read, watch etc? You my think I am being over the top and silly but if you look at some of the draft bills coming though you might be a little shocked. I don't let anyone tell me what I can eat drink etc. I do what I want " That is my point, we are getting to the point where the government will tell you what you can eat and drink. If schools can tell parents that their children are not allowed to bring packet lunches and have to have school meals then where would it end? | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. and the girls are gorgeous
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. and the girls are gorgeous
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"In my experience people feel free and generally happy with their lot. People can recommend what they like, we are free to ignore them and follow our own path. " They are not just recommending! There are plans a foot to allow schools to ban packed lunches! | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.." mrs swinger is danish and we visit there alot as she still has family there, it is by no means perfect, the tax they pay is huge, double what we pay here, yes the standard of life is better, but not as much as people might think | |||
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"I'd say we have got a pretty good system...we could learn from countries like Denmark though.. So you do not mind other people telling you what you can eat, drink, read, watch etc? You my think I am being over the top and silly but if you look at some of the draft bills coming though you might be a little shocked. I don't let anyone tell me what I can eat drink etc. I do what I want That is my point, we are getting to the point where the government will tell you what you can eat and drink. If schools can tell parents that their children are not allowed to bring packet lunches and have to have school meals then where would it end?" I don't have children but if I did I would be asking for the calorie count etc for school dinners that have been unhealthy and it has been uncovered....Jaime Oliver did something to make them healthy....until I believe that my child is eating healthy I will be sending them to school with a healthy packed lunch. | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. mrs swinger is danish and we visit there alot as she still has family there, it is by no means perfect, the tax they pay is huge, double what we pay here, yes the standard of life is better, but not as much as people might think" Maybe but I am Danish also...yes the tax is high but wages reflect that | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.." I'm not knocking Demark,,,,But like many so called green counties Denmark has quite a productive hydro carbons industry that exports oil and gas to countries that are not so green …… | |||
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"I'd say we have got a pretty good system...we could learn from countries like Denmark though.. So you do not mind other people telling you what you can eat, drink, read, watch etc? You my think I am being over the top and silly but if you look at some of the draft bills coming though you might be a little shocked. I don't let anyone tell me what I can eat drink etc. I do what I want That is my point, we are getting to the point where the government will tell you what you can eat and drink. If schools can tell parents that their children are not allowed to bring packet lunches and have to have school meals then where would it end? I don't have children but if I did I would be asking for the calorie count etc for school dinners that have been unhealthy and it has been uncovered....Jaime Oliver did something to make them healthy....until I believe that my child is eating healthy I will be sending them to school with a healthy packed lunch. " You would not have the choice! Some schools well be allowed to ban packed lunches. It is not like we live in a free country | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. I'm not knocking Demark,,,,But like many so called green counties Denmark has quite a productive hydro carbons industry that exports oil and gas to countries that are not so green …… "Lol they have good and bad...I am no means saying Denmark is this wonderful country it has it's issues...The same with Britain I like it here no major complaints apart from I need a pay rise lol. | |||
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"I'd say we have got a pretty good system...we could learn from countries like Denmark though.. So you do not mind other people telling you what you can eat, drink, read, watch etc? You my think I am being over the top and silly but if you look at some of the draft bills coming though you might be a little shocked. I don't let anyone tell me what I can eat drink etc. I do what I want That is my point, we are getting to the point where the government will tell you what you can eat and drink. If schools can tell parents that their children are not allowed to bring packet lunches and have to have school meals then where would it end? I don't have children but if I did I would be asking for the calorie count etc for school dinners that have been unhealthy and it has been uncovered....Jaime Oliver did something to make them healthy....until I believe that my child is eating healthy I will be sending them to school with a healthy packed lunch. You would not have the choice! Some schools well be allowed to ban packed lunches. It is not like we live in a free country" Then I would send them to a school that allowed pack lunches I will not let anyone dictate to me what MY child could eat... | |||
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"I'd say we have got a pretty good system...we could learn from countries like Denmark though.. So you do not mind other people telling you what you can eat, drink, read, watch etc? You my think I am being over the top and silly but if you look at some of the draft bills coming though you might be a little shocked. I don't let anyone tell me what I can eat drink etc. I do what I want That is my point, we are getting to the point where the government will tell you what you can eat and drink. If schools can tell parents that their children are not allowed to bring packet lunches and have to have school meals then where would it end? I don't have children but if I did I would be asking for the calorie count etc for school dinners that have been unhealthy and it has been uncovered....Jaime Oliver did something to make them healthy....until I believe that my child is eating healthy I will be sending them to school with a healthy packed lunch. You would not have the choice! Some schools well be allowed to ban packed lunches. It is not like we live in a free country Then I would send them to a school that allowed pack lunches I will not let anyone dictate to me what MY child could eat..." So you think you will have a choice in which school your children go to? Often you find it is very difficult to get you child into the school you want, you are often just given the impression on freedom of choice. | |||
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"I'd say we have got a pretty good system...we could learn from countries like Denmark though.. So you do not mind other people telling you what you can eat, drink, read, watch etc? You my think I am being over the top and silly but if you look at some of the draft bills coming though you might be a little shocked. I don't let anyone tell me what I can eat drink etc. I do what I want That is my point, we are getting to the point where the government will tell you what you can eat and drink. If schools can tell parents that their children are not allowed to bring packet lunches and have to have school meals then where would it end? I don't have children but if I did I would be asking for the calorie count etc for school dinners that have been unhealthy and it has been uncovered....Jaime Oliver did something to make them healthy....until I believe that my child is eating healthy I will be sending them to school with a healthy packed lunch. You would not have the choice! Some schools well be allowed to ban packed lunches. It is not like we live in a free country Then I would send them to a school that allowed pack lunches I will not let anyone dictate to me what MY child could eat..." that would work because i guess you wouldn't pack a lunchbox containing 2 bags of crisps, tin of , mars bar and kit Kat and yes I've seen this  | |||
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"I'd say we have got a pretty good system...we could learn from countries like Denmark though.. So you do not mind other people telling you what you can eat, drink, read, watch etc? You my think I am being over the top and silly but if you look at some of the draft bills coming though you might be a little shocked. I don't let anyone tell me what I can eat drink etc. I do what I want That is my point, we are getting to the point where the government will tell you what you can eat and drink. If schools can tell parents that their children are not allowed to bring packet lunches and have to have school meals then where would it end? I don't have children but if I did I would be asking for the calorie count etc for school dinners that have been unhealthy and it has been uncovered....Jaime Oliver did something to make them healthy....until I believe that my child is eating healthy I will be sending them to school with a healthy packed lunch. You would not have the choice! Some schools well be allowed to ban packed lunches. It is not like we live in a free country Then I would send them to a school that allowed pack lunches I will not let anyone dictate to me what MY child could eat... So you think you will have a choice in which school your children go to? Often you find it is very difficult to get you child into the school you want, you are often just given the impression on freedom of choice." It's too hot to get into a debate about sending children to whatever school....I don't have kids so right now it does not effect me...and I think there will be a lot of people opposed to this including teachers etc | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. I'm not knocking Demark,,,,But like many so called green counties Denmark has quite a productive hydro carbons industry that exports oil and gas to countries that are not so green ……
Lol they have good and bad...I am no means saying Denmark is this wonderful country it has it's issues...The same with Britain I like it here no major complaints apart from I need a pay rise lol."I enjoyed my time working out of Esbjerg ,,,,,, I still have quite a few “Told-Scats” copies in my filling system . ( Think that’s how Told-scats is spelt) Nice place , nice people,,,,but not a cheap place to live though... | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. I'm not knocking Demark,,,,But like many so called green counties Denmark has quite a productive hydro carbons industry that exports oil and gas to countries that are not so green ……
Lol they have good and bad...I am no means saying Denmark is this wonderful country it has it's issues...The same with Britain I like it here no major complaints apart from I need a pay rise lol.
I enjoyed my time working out of Esbjerg ,,,,,,
I still have quite a few “Told-Scats” copies in my filling system . ( Think that’s how Told-scats is spelt)
Nice place , nice people,,,,but not a cheap place to live though... "I agree not a cheap place but the beer is good | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. I'm not knocking Demark,,,,But like many so called green counties Denmark has quite a productive hydro carbons industry that exports oil and gas to countries that are not so green ……
Lol they have good and bad...I am no means saying Denmark is this wonderful country it has it's issues...The same with Britain I like it here no major complaints apart from I need a pay rise lol.
I enjoyed my time working out of Esbjerg ,,,,,,
I still have quite a few “Told-Scats” copies in my filling system . ( Think that’s how Told-scats is spelt)
Nice place , nice people,,,,but not a cheap place to live though...
I agree not a cheap place but the beer is good "Yes, as I remember lovely beer,,,,,
Same can't be said for your hills and mountains though, which I'm sure you'd agree are a little bit thin on the ground lol | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. I'm not knocking Demark,,,,But like many so called green counties Denmark has quite a productive hydro carbons industry that exports oil and gas to countries that are not so green ……
Lol they have good and bad...I am no means saying Denmark is this wonderful country it has it's issues...The same with Britain I like it here no major complaints apart from I need a pay rise lol.
I enjoyed my time working out of Esbjerg ,,,,,,
I still have quite a few “Told-Scats” copies in my filling system . ( Think that’s how Told-scats is spelt)
Nice place , nice people,,,,but not a cheap place to live though...
I agree not a cheap place but the beer is good
Yes, as I remember lovely beer,,,,,
Same can't be said for your hills and mountains though, which I'm sure you'd agree are a little bit thin on the ground lol "Flat as a pancake lol | |||
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"Compared to many other countries we do indeed live in a fairly 'Free' country. " Agreed until total global control, A new world order, once currency almost certainly governed by microchips implanted. Paranoid ? You'd better hope we are ! Wake up and look out for one another people x | |||
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"Compared to many other countries we do indeed live in a fairly 'Free' country. Agreed until total global control, A new world order, once currency almost certainly governed by microchips implanted. Paranoid ? You'd better hope we are ! Wake up and look out for one another people x" Spat my coffee out when I got to the microchips bit.....thought I had heard it all. | |||
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"Compared to many other countries we do indeed live in a fairly 'Free' country. Agreed until total global control, A new world order, once currency almost certainly governed by microchips implanted. Paranoid ? You'd better hope we are ! Wake up and look out for one another people x Spat my coffee out when I got to the microchips bit.....thought I had heard it all." haha....me too | |||
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"Compared to many other countries we do indeed live in a fairly 'Free' country. Agreed until total global control, A new world order, once currency almost certainly governed by microchips implanted. Paranoid ? You'd better hope we are ! Wake up and look out for one another people x" Lol It's all a lie,I've heard those microchips are no healthier than real chips pffftttt.  | |||
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"I think they have a duty to tackle the 'compulsory' packet of crisps and chocolate bar habits of British parents in their children's packed lunches to be honest.... By going down the school dinner route, coupled with compulsory inspections of school kitchens as regards healthy menus then surely that is better than an unhealthy future generation?" If we live in a free country then is that not a personal choice? Who gives someone else the right to dictate what we can eat or drink. Their job is to give us the facts, it are job to make a choice, be that the wrong or right choice. | |||
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"I think they have a duty to tackle the 'compulsory' packet of crisps and chocolate bar habits of British parents in their children's packed lunches to be honest.... By going down the school dinner route, coupled with compulsory inspections of school kitchens as regards healthy menus then surely that is better than an unhealthy future generation?" I disagree, are the schools assuming that because the children are bringing " unhealthy" meals that they eat like that all the time? My son and alot of his friends all ate the same kind of things, they played out after school, they all still hang around together and not one of them are unhealthy, unfit or overweight. I think this is just another way for schools to try and force things onto pupils and parents and make more money in the process.... I mean are these the same schools that make pupils wear blazers in very hot weather? they are only allowed to remove them when they are sat in class yet teachers are allowed to wear summer dresses! | |||
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"Compared to many other countries we do indeed live in a fairly 'Free' country. Agreed until total global control, A new world order, once currency almost certainly governed by microchips implanted. Paranoid ? You'd better hope we are ! Wake up and look out for one another people x Lol It's all a lie,I've heard those microchips are no healthier than real chips pffftttt. "haha | |||
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"I think they have a duty to tackle the 'compulsory' packet of crisps and chocolate bar habits of British parents in their children's packed lunches to be honest.... By going down the school dinner route, coupled with compulsory inspections of school kitchens as regards healthy menus then surely that is better than an unhealthy future generation? If we live in a free country then is that not a personal choice? Who gives someone else the right to dictate what we can eat or drink. Their job is to give us the facts, it are job to make a choice, be that the wrong or right choice." I am frankly amazed that in this day and age anyone could argue the toss over the healthy well being and future of a child, so should we also use the 'Free Country' argument to stop children having dental check-ups if a parent feels it infringes their 'Freedom'? Immunisation shots for kids? What next?.....parents choice over whether or not their kids learn to read and write? People rattle on about a 'Nanny State' but personally I think the well being of our children is paramount. | |||
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"I think they have a duty to tackle the 'compulsory' packet of crisps and chocolate bar habits of British parents in their children's packed lunches to be honest.... By going down the school dinner route, coupled with compulsory inspections of school kitchens as regards healthy menus then surely that is better than an unhealthy future generation? If we live in a free country then is that not a personal choice? Who gives someone else the right to dictate what we can eat or drink. Their job is to give us the facts, it are job to make a choice, be that the wrong or right choice. I am frankly amazed that in this day and age anyone could argue the toss over the healthy well being and future of a child, so should we also use the 'Free Country' argument to stop children having dental check-ups if a parent feels it infringes their 'Freedom'? Immunisation shots for kids? What next?.....parents choice over whether or not their kids learn to read and write? People rattle on about a 'Nanny State' but personally I think the well being of our children is paramount. So we do not bring are children up the government do? So how does the government know what is good or bad for our children? " I give in.....if you don't understand the need for basic State child welfare then it's no good me trying to explain that need. | |||
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"OP....I’m just curious to know in this ideal free society you crave,,,,, Do you not think there should be some state guidance in place to protect vulnerable children, or do you feel that might impinge the rights of bad parents to treat their offspring in any way that they feel appropriate....? "I agree in 'state guidance' but not 'state control'. Next you will have to have tests and license to have children at this rate. | |||
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"I think they have a duty to tackle the 'compulsory' packet of crisps and chocolate bar habits of British parents in their children's packed lunches to be honest.... By going down the school dinner route, coupled with compulsory inspections of school kitchens as regards healthy menus then surely that is better than an unhealthy future generation? If we live in a free country then is that not a personal choice? Who gives someone else the right to dictate what we can eat or drink. Their job is to give us the facts, it are job to make a choice, be that the wrong or right choice. I am frankly amazed that in this day and age anyone could argue the toss over the healthy well being and future of a child, so should we also use the 'Free Country' argument to stop children having dental check-ups if a parent feels it infringes their 'Freedom'? Immunisation shots for kids? What next?.....parents choice over whether or not their kids learn to read and write? People rattle on about a 'Nanny State' but personally I think the well being of our children is paramount. So we do not bring are children up the government do? So how does the government know what is good or bad for our children? think part of the problem is some and I mean some parents either don't know what's good and bad for there child and worse still they know but don't give a f..k think its lazy parenting to shove a load of crisps, fizzy drinks and chocolate bars in a bag and call it a packed lunch" What did you and your friends have for your school lunch? Did it do you and them any harm? | |||
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Next you will have to have tests and license to have children at this rate."So who decides whats guidance and whats control...... you? | |||
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I agree in 'state guidance' but not 'state control'.
Next you will have to have tests and license to have children at this rate.
So who decides whats guidance and whats control...... you? "Guidance and control are 2 different things. I can give you guidance on what books to read but I can not control what books you read. | |||
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"I think they have a duty to tackle the 'compulsory' packet of crisps and chocolate bar habits of British parents in their children's packed lunches to be honest.... By going down the school dinner route, coupled with compulsory inspections of school kitchens as regards healthy menus then surely that is better than an unhealthy future generation? If we live in a free country then is that not a personal choice? Who gives someone else the right to dictate what we can eat or drink. Their job is to give us the facts, it are job to make a choice, be that the wrong or right choice. I am frankly amazed that in this day and age anyone could argue the toss over the healthy well being and future of a child, so should we also use the 'Free Country' argument to stop children having dental check-ups if a parent feels it infringes their 'Freedom'? Immunisation shots for kids? What next?.....parents choice over whether or not their kids learn to read and write? People rattle on about a 'Nanny State' but personally I think the well being of our children is paramount. So we do not bring are children up the government do? So how does the government know what is good or bad for our children? think part of the problem is some and I mean some parents either don't know what's good and bad for there child and worse still they know but don't give a f..k think its lazy parenting to shove a load of crisps, fizzy drinks and chocolate bars in a bag and call it a packed lunch What did you and your friends have for your school lunch? Did it do you and them any harm?" sandwiches during the summer and hot meal at school during the winter,not crisps chocolate bars and fizzy drinks and nothing else difference is that when I was at school we had a very active childhood both in school and out whereas a lot "not all" today live on ipods and would die if they had to do a cross country race etc a friend who is a pe teacher says that the % of children who cant even see there toes let alone touch them is rising year on year | |||
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Guidance and control are 2 different things. I can give you guidance on what books to read but I can not control what books you read."You can, or at least governments can, control what books are available to read. | |||
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I agree in 'state guidance' but not 'state control'.
Next you will have to have tests and license to have children at this rate.
So who decides whats guidance and whats control...... you?
Guidance and control are 2 different things. I can give you guidance on what books to read but I can not control what books you read."So do you feel we should be governed by recommendation? and if so, on who’s recommendation should we trust to give us these recommendations? ..... | |||
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"We used to have some stodge for school dinners when I was a kid.....but...we were more active outside of school then so burnt it off." I never stayed for school lunches so can’t really comment about what was available when I was a kid,,,,,,, but I certainly agree with Rugby that us kids seemed far more active back then….!. | |||
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"The problem is, as with many thread subjects aired on here, some people don't look into the WHOLE news story or study report....only the tabloid (like) headlines. The study goes on to suggest free school lunches for ALL primary school children, with a menu that is carefully arranged with healthy and nutritious eating at it's core. Is this government control?....or is it common sense, and an attempt to help future generations of our children? " What if your child doesn't like the food on offer for that day or even for a few days a week, is it best to starve the child or give them a packed lunch? | |||
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"................ What if your child doesn't like the food on offer for that day or even for a few days a week, is it best to starve the child or give them a packed lunch?" Children don't stay 'starved' for long and it's amazing how they come to like certain foods when there's no alternative. | |||
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"................ What if your child doesn't like the food on offer for that day or even for a few days a week, is it best to starve the child or give them a packed lunch? Children don't stay 'starved' for long and it's amazing how they come to like certain foods when there's no alternative." Yeah right  | |||
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"................ What if your child doesn't like the food on offer for that day or even for a few days a week, is it best to starve the child or give them a packed lunch? Children don't stay 'starved' for long and it's amazing how they come to like certain foods when there's no alternative." Yeah ok! Cos sending them to school and willingly letting them have no lunch as they don't like it is going to do them so much good when it comes to concentrating etc. I'd rather know my children are being properly fed, or food that I provide for them knowing that they will eat it. How many days do you go to work and buy something that you don't actually like because if you do it often enough you will get used to it? | |||
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"................ What if your child doesn't like the food on offer for that day or even for a few days a week, is it best to starve the child or give them a packed lunch? Children don't stay 'starved' for long and it's amazing how they come to like certain foods when there's no alternative. Yeah right "I accept not all kids will find not having their own way 100% easy to accept but maybe they just have to learn to do what they're told. Who knows, it might come in handy should they ever grow up. | |||
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I accept not all kids will find not having their own way 100% easy to accept but maybe they just have to learn to do what they're told.
Who knows, it might come in handy should they ever grow up."It's nothing about children having there own way. If someone doesn't like something they aren't going to eat it. My child ended up with plain rice and chocolate custard for lunch at school the other day because that is what was left as he doesn't like curry | |||
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"................ What if your child doesn't like the food on offer for that day or even for a few days a week, is it best to starve the child or give them a packed lunch? Children don't stay 'starved' for long and it's amazing how they come to like certain foods when there's no alternative. Yeah ok! Cos sending them to school and willingly letting them have no lunch as they don't like it is going to do them so much good when it comes to concentrating etc. I'd rather know my children are being properly fed, or food that I provide for them knowing that they will eat it. How many days do you go to work and buy something that you don't actually like because if you do it often enough you will get used to it?" That was more or less my point....it is ok the goverment telling everyone what they should do, but wether people like it or not, not everything will be eaten and liked by every person. so do we force feed children because the Goverment says they are to have it? | |||
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"................ ............ I accept not all kids will find not having their own way 100% easy to accept but maybe they just have to learn to do what they're told. Who knows, it might come in handy should they ever grow up. It's nothing about children having there own way. If someone doesn't like something they aren't going to eat it. My child ended up with plain rice and chocolate custard for lunch at school the other day because that is what was left as he doesn't like curry" I take it the child survived to tell the tale  | |||
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"And before anyone says anything about trying new foods. My children do that at home, so that if they don't like it then there is always an alternative for them to have. They won't have that option in school. " Maybe if there wasn't an alternative at home they'd get the message that the universe doesn't revolve around their fads. | |||
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I accept not all kids will find not having their own way 100% easy to accept but maybe they just have to learn to do what they're told.
Who knows, it might come in handy should they ever grow up."Yep,we should beat them to within an inch of their life's,then when they're out cold,stuff as many Brussel sprouts down the ungrateful wee toe rags throat as possible. Alternatively we could starve them, maybe 3 consecutive days a week. Then the wee buggers will eat whatevers put in front of them and like it. That'll teach them to do as they're told,then they can grow up to be well balanced,caring adults. | |||
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"I sometimes am in awe about how you twist everything that is said to suit yourself..... I will carry on with the relevance in my post
Other see it as cutting through the **** and not allowing folly or sentimentality to get in the way of doing the right thing."I am sure they do
For the purpose of my post....I asked a question to join into the debate, I didn't say what I would do.
If you want to force feed your children that is fine, I am sure they will admire you for not being too "sentimental" with them.
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"And before anyone says anything about trying new foods. My children do that at home, so that if they don't like it then there is always an alternative for them to have. They won't have that option in school. Maybe if there wasn't an alternative at home they'd get the message that the universe doesn't revolve around their fads." I'm pretty sure that having likes and dislikes with food isn't a "fad". There are things I just won't eat no matter how many times it is put in front of me, I wouldn't do the same to my children. You still haven't answered my previous question either I see. | |||
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"................ What if your child doesn't like the food on offer for that day or even for a few days a week, is it best to starve the child or give them a packed lunch? Children don't stay 'starved' for long and it's amazing how they come to like certain foods when there's no alternative. Yeah right
I accept not all kids will find not having their own way 100% easy to accept but maybe they just have to learn to do what they're told.
Who knows, it might come in handy should they ever grow up.
Yep,we should beat them to within an inch of their life's,then when they're out cold,stuff as many Brussel sprouts down the ungrateful wee toe rags
throat as possible.
Alternatively we could starve them,
maybe 3 consecutive days a week.
Then the wee buggers will eat whatevers put in front of them and like it.
That'll teach them to do as they're told,then they can grow up to be well balanced,caring adults.
"Well there is one thing though Saucy, they would probably leave home very early and not go back to visit the tyrants who force fed or starved them....
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"my parents and grand parents grew up in a time where you could eat what you wanted without someone telling you its bad for you, drink what you wanted, smoke when and where you wanted, and my grand parents fought a war to stop someone from making the world do exactly what he wanted, and they turned out just fine, grand parents lived well into there 90's and parents are still fit and out going, back then it was a free country, now it is far from a free country." That's hilarious. Britain was far less free Homosexuality was illegal There was a ministry of information People did not question things Wives stayed at home and didn't work Pornography was illegal The government had far more control of the news media Pubs closed at 2 and then 11 to control drinking Sterling was a blocked currency There was no FOI Act Smoking causes cancer and kills millions every year globally Let's not forget scurvy, rickets etc | |||
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"................ What if your child doesn't like the food on offer for that day or even for a few days a week, is it best to starve the child or give them a packed lunch? Children don't stay 'starved' for long and it's amazing how they come to like certain foods when there's no alternative. Yeah right
I accept not all kids will find not having their own way 100% easy to accept but maybe they just have to learn to do what they're told.
Who knows, it might come in handy should they ever grow up.
Yep,we should beat them to within an inch of their life's,then when they're out cold,stuff as many Brussel sprouts down the ungrateful wee toe rags
throat as possible.
Alternatively we could starve them,
maybe 3 consecutive days a week.
Then the wee buggers will eat whatevers put in front of them and like it.
That'll teach them to do as they're told,then they can grow up to be well balanced,caring adults.
Well there is one thing though Saucy, they would probably leave home very early and not go back to visit the tyrants who force fed or starved them....
I hate sprouts. "Well rid I say grrrrrrrrr
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"And before anyone says anything about trying new foods. My children do that at home, so that if they don't like it then there is always an alternative for them to have. They won't have that option in school. Maybe if there wasn't an alternative at home they'd get the message that the universe doesn't revolve around their fads. I'm pretty sure that having likes and dislikes with food isn't a "fad". There are things I just won't eat no matter how many times it is put in front of me, I wouldn't do the same to my children. You still haven't answered my previous question either I see." This one? "............. How many days do you go to work and buy something that you don't actually like because if you do it often enough you will get used to it?" Sorry, I took that to be a rhetorical question. | |||
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others?" at my daughters school you can't send in unhealthy lunches.. it's water only for drinks etc | |||
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"Denmark- got strict immigration policy which is good however they are firm but fair...they have their own immigration issues with residents from Greenland. Benefits- they don't allow you to sit on your arse for 20 years without having a job unless of course you can't work etc...they have a good pension system too...Housing they don't have social housing as such but have a low homeless rate.. Denmark is very green it uses more windmill thingy whatever they are called and it's cleaner then here.. and the girls are gorgeous
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others? at my daughters school you can't send in unhealthy lunches.. it's water only for drinks etc" Why would you send a child to school with an 'unhealthy' lunch? | |||
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"I agree the correct balance of nutrition is vitally important, but I’m unable to give a considered opinion of the eating habits of a nations children who are lucky enough to live in a county where they have the choice to decline food….. But I do think children in this country deserve the respect of being given an option to help decide what food makes them feel satisfied and therefore more attentive for at least one meal a day, and if that means having a packet lunch I’m all for it…. I’m not against the powers that be, helping educate parents and children into make better choices by offering healthy options during the mandatory provision of set school meal menus……. To me that’s living with free choice in a free country…. "
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"Only if we go down the route of everyone having to have there own private medical insurance so parents can feed there kids crap and when they end up unhealthy there insurance pays for the hospital etc that way everyone can do what they want drink smoke do drugs etc but others don't have to pick up the bill Only a thought "Good analysis, I never thought of it that way, Thanks. | |||
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" education for parents regarding what is acceptable to send in your children's packed lunch box. Seems a more fairer solution IMO. I'm not adverse to getting ideas about what to feed mine especially the more picky one!" Agreed. It'd be good to have affordable ideas of what'd be good stuff for a kid's lunch. No compulsion - just suggestions based on 'healthy'. Then the parent packs the lunchbox with that stuff and the kid eats it. | |||
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"................ ............ I accept not all kids will find not having their own way 100% easy to accept but maybe they just have to learn to do what they're told. Who knows, it might come in handy should they ever grow up. It's nothing about children having there own way. If someone doesn't like something they aren't going to eat it. My child ended up with plain rice and chocolate custard for lunch at school the other day because that is what was left as he doesn't like curry I take it the child survived to tell the tale "Yes he did survive but was hungry all afternoon and then wanted something to eat soon as he got in rather than waiting till meal time. Plus it's not a nutritional meal | |||
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"my parents and grand parents grew up in a time where you could eat what you wanted without someone telling you its bad for you, drink what you wanted, smoke when and where you wanted, and my grand parents fought a war to stop someone from making the world do exactly what he wanted, and they turned out just fine, grand parents lived well into there 90's and parents are still fit and out going, back then it was a free country, now it is far from a free country. That's hilarious. Britain was far less free Homosexuality was illegal There was a ministry of information People did not question things Wives stayed at home and didn't work Pornography was illegal The government had far more control of the news media Pubs closed at 2 and then 11 to control drinking Sterling was a blocked currency There was no FOI Act Smoking causes cancer and kills millions every year globally Let's not forget scurvy, rickets etc" absolute tosh im sorry but yeah some points are valid, smoking does cause cancer, but so does many other things, there wasnt write ups in the papers telling you what to eat and what not to eat, people did ask questions (the miners strikes, among countless other strikes) what happens now, basically you do what your told or you are out if a job, pornography is still illegal, homosexuality wasnt illegal but gay marriage was, today we live in a constantly watched over governed over taxed unfree country, back then it wasnt totally free by any means but it was alot more free than today. oh and by the way it never did my grandparents or parents any harm and my parents dont walk around with teeth missing and fags hanging out of there mouth. | |||
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Yes he did survive but was hungry all afternoon and then wanted something to eat soon as he got in rather than waiting till meal time. Plus it's not a nutritional meal "Hungry ALL afternoon? Poor child. I'm astonished the child cruelty people haven't had you jailed for neglect | |||
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"my parents and grand parents grew up in a time where you could eat what you wanted without someone telling you its bad for you, drink what you wanted, smoke when and where you wanted, and my grand parents fought a war to stop someone from making the world do exactly what he wanted, and they turned out just fine, grand parents lived well into there 90's and parents are still fit and out going, back then it was a free country, now it is far from a free country. That's hilarious. Britain was far less free Homosexuality was illegal There was a ministry of information People did not question things Wives stayed at home and didn't work Pornography was illegal The government had far more control of the news media Pubs closed at 2 and then 11 to control drinking Sterling was a blocked currency There was no FOI Act Smoking causes cancer and kills millions every year globally Let's not forget scurvy, rickets etc absolute tosh im sorry but yeah some points are valid, smoking does cause cancer, but so does many other things, there wasnt write ups in the papers telling you what to eat and what not to eat, people did ask questions (the miners strikes, among countless other strikes) what happens now, basically you do what your told or you are out if a job, pornography is still illegal, homosexuality wasnt illegal but gay marriage was, today we live in a constantly watched over governed over taxed unfree country, back then it wasnt totally free by any means but it was alot more free than today. oh and by the way it never did my grandparents or parents any harm and my parents dont walk around with teeth missing and fags hanging out of there mouth." Actually pornography is legal Gay relations are legal Freedom of information act allows us to know far more than we ever did Propaganda was HUGE in this country for decades. Government told us fuck all in the 50's60's70's about what they were up to and only recently can we gain access to this information. Your rose tinted spectacles may appear to apply freedom to this period but if you were black,female,gay,Irish or catholic you'd not say the same at all. As for "absolute tosh" I suspect your knowledge of British history may not be that great. | |||
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"my parents and grand parents grew up in a time where you could eat what you wanted without someone telling you its bad for you, drink what you wanted, smoke when and where you wanted, and my grand parents fought a war to stop someone from making the world do exactly what he wanted, and they turned out just fine, grand parents lived well into there 90's and parents are still fit and out going, back then it was a free country, now it is far from a free country. That's hilarious. Britain was far less free Homosexuality was illegal There was a ministry of information People did not question things Wives stayed at home and didn't work Pornography was illegal The government had far more control of the news media Pubs closed at 2 and then 11 to control drinking Sterling was a blocked currency There was no FOI Act Smoking causes cancer and kills millions every year globally Let's not forget scurvy, rickets etc absolute tosh im sorry but yeah some points are valid, smoking does cause cancer, but so does many other things, there wasnt write ups in the papers telling you what to eat and what not to eat, people did ask questions (the miners strikes, among countless other strikes) what happens now, basically you do what your told or you are out if a job, pornography is still illegal, homosexuality wasnt illegal but gay marriage was, today we live in a constantly watched over governed over taxed unfree country, back then it wasnt totally free by any means but it was alot more free than today. oh and by the way it never did my grandparents or parents any harm and my parents dont walk around with teeth missing and fags hanging out of there mouth. Actually pornography is legal Gay relations are legal Freedom of information act allows us to know far more than we ever did Propaganda was HUGE in this country for decades. Government told us fuck all in the 50's60's70's about what they were up to and only recently can we gain access to this information. Your rose tinted spectacles may appear to apply freedom to this period but if you were black,female,gay,Irish or catholic you'd not say the same at all. As for "absolute tosh" I suspect your knowledge of British history may not be that great. " i said gay marriage was illegal but been gay wasnt, hardcore pornography is illegal, i am female so were 2 of my grandparents and my mother and im actually a history teacher lol so my grasp of history must be upto a decent level. | |||
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"You teach history yet you are unaware that pornography is actually legal and has been for some time. You also seem to be unaware of some of the legislation in existence right up to the 1970's that infringed on liberties quite regularly. The Equalities act on its way through parliament at this moment is another removal of a restriction. Also newspapers telling us what to do is not infringing on my liberty in any way shape or form. This story is the reporting of research. Which as an academic you will obviously be aware isn't a law or indeed even guidance. Also as a history teacher I'm sure you'll also be fully aware that government guidance isn't legally binding and therefore not a restriction of freedom (unlike say licensing hours or Sunday trading). This story is yet another storm about nothing. Nothing is banned, nothing is restricted due to this report and no ones freedoms have been infringed on." I see you did not read my original post. I said they 'want to'. I did not say they 'have' or even they 'are' | |||
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"I see you did not read my original post. I said they 'want to'. I did not say they 'have' or even they 'are'" Hey but at least your thread got people talking about the issue ,,,, much in the same way as whatever caused you to notice the issue in the first place then got you to talk about it on here…….. Hey isn't that like a really clever marketing ploy to raise awareness as little cost ... Coz if it is,,,,gawd bless them people in powers for their uncanny ability to pull our strings and yank out chains….!. | |||
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"I see you did not read my original post. I said they 'want to'. I did not say they 'have' or even they 'are' Hey but at least your thread got people talking about the issue ,,,, much in the same way as whatever caused you to notice the issue in the first place then got you to talk about it on here…….. Hey isn't that like a really clever marketing ploy to raise awareness as little cost ... Coz if it is,,,,gawd bless them people in powers for their uncanny ability to pull our strings and yank out chains….!. "Also if by the 100th post people even remember what the original discussion is about I'd be amazed! | |||
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"I see you did not read my original post. I said they 'want to'. I did not say they 'have' or even they 'are' Hey but at least your thread got people talking about the issue ,,,, much in the same way as whatever caused you to notice the issue in the first place then got you to talk about it on here…….. Hey isn't that like a really clever marketing ploy to raise awareness as little cost ... Coz if it is,,,,gawd bless them people in powers for their uncanny ability to pull our strings and yank out chains….!.
Also if by the 100th post people even remember what the original discussion is about I'd be amazed! "It would be nice to think that having followed this thread someone somewhere might have perhaps changed their thoughts or at least considered another way of looking at things on a number of potential issues...... Healthy debate and enthusiastic thought exchange make for interesting reading when people remain civil to one another,,, | |||
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"my parents and grand parents grew up in a time where you could eat what you wanted without someone telling you its bad for you, drink what you wanted, smoke when and where you wanted, and my grand parents fought a war to stop someone from making the world do exactly what he wanted, and they turned out just fine, grand parents lived well into there 90's and parents are still fit and out going, back then it was a free country, now it is far from a free country. That's hilarious. Britain was far less free Homosexuality was illegal There was a ministry of information People did not question things Wives stayed at home and didn't work Pornography was illegal The government had far more control of the news media Pubs closed at 2 and then 11 to control drinking Sterling was a blocked currency There was no FOI Act Smoking causes cancer and kills millions every year globally Let's not forget scurvy, rickets etc absolute tosh im sorry but yeah some points are valid, smoking does cause cancer, but so does many other things, there wasnt write ups in the papers telling you what to eat and what not to eat, people did ask questions (the miners strikes, among countless other strikes) what happens now, basically you do what your told or you are out if a job, pornography is still illegal, homosexuality wasnt illegal but gay marriage was, today we live in a constantly watched over governed over taxed unfree country, back then it wasnt totally free by any means but it was alot more free than today. oh and by the way it never did my grandparents or parents any harm and my parents dont walk around with teeth missing and fags hanging out of there mouth. Actually pornography is legal Gay relations are legal Freedom of information act allows us to know far more than we ever did Propaganda was HUGE in this country for decades. Government told us fuck all in the 50's60's70's about what they were up to and only recently can we gain access to this information. Your rose tinted spectacles may appear to apply freedom to this period but if you were black,female,gay,Irish or catholic you'd not say the same at all. As for "absolute tosh" I suspect your knowledge of British history may not be that great. i said gay marriage was illegal but been gay wasnt, hardcore pornography is illegal, i am female so were 2 of my grandparents and my mother and im actually a history teacher lol so my grasp of history must be upto a decent level." Homosexuality was illegal until 1967 in England and Wales, 1980 in Scotland and 1982 in Ireland. | |||
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"I have to ask this, as it seem each day there seems to be something new people want to stop us doing. Today it is children should not be allowed to take packet lunches as they are often not healthy. If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others?" To take issue with the original post you stated "If we live in a free country should we be allowed to do what we want, as long as it does not harm others?" Well parents that send their children to school with unhealthy lunches (and most likely feed them unhealthily at home) are harming others. | |||
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"no we dont live in a free country, another stupid idea. telling people how they should live their lives. ." The thing is, no one is telling us to do this. It's based on a study of schools and food intake and quality of intake. The suggestion by the study group is to get more people to eat school dinners. It's not the law and never will be. I think sometimes when research is done and that research makes recommendations people assume they're being told they "have to" follow it. Papers don't tell us what to do, researches don't tell is what to do, doctors don't tell us what to do, they all make suggestions or recommendations. Even Gove who's clearly a nut job has said that he will encourage more free school meals, better quality of food to encourage people to eat better at school. For all of us here who send kids into school with a healthy meal there are an equal number who send kids into school with shit food. Their freedom of choice puts their kids at a disadvantage. Research shows that a child with a healthy diet is more likely to be able to concentrate for a longer period. The research doesn't say you have to just that it's best to do so. | |||
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