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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

As talks about giving MP's an 11 % pay rise happen

The number of people using food banks in the last 3 months has risen 300 %

Yes , some MP's are saying it would be unfair

But why is this even being contemplated

We are all in it together my arse

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By *ifornowCouple
over a year ago

Skegness

It's called looking after no. 1 and all pissing in the same pot !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just a proposal....albiet a rather foolish proposal which is totally out of touch with public feeling,,

I don't think they'll get offered anything like it....

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

give them what we where offered,no pay rise for three years,and now a 1% pay rise for the next three years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't forget all the additional payments on top of the salary for sitting on various panels and committees! And then on top of those the incredible expenses.

Frighten yourself and look on the IPSA (Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority) website and see the mind boggling amounts for these expenses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's just a proposal....albiet a rather foolish proposal which is totally out of touch with public feeling,,

I don't think they'll get offered anything like it....

True, after some 'consultation' it'll probably end up with them generously taking only a 5-7% increase, and we'll be expected to be grateful for their sacrifice. But I wouldn't mind 5% of a twice national average salary, rather than 1% of a national or below national average wage, which is what is expected for us.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Being an MP isn't much of a job. Always in the public eye and mostly away from home.

You can't even banjo a Tory MP without getting huckled by the cops.

All for less money than a middle ranking cop, teacher or doctor. Less, even, than the guy at IPSA who only 'works' 2 days a week.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Compared to MP's in many other countries such as Germany, our MP's are not paid highly enough.

I say pay them a wage that reflects the job they are doing, but ban them from being directors or consultants to commercial companies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Compared to MP's in many other countries such as Germany, our MP's are not paid highly enough.

I say pay them a wage that reflects the job they are doing, but ban them from being directors or consultants to commercial companies."

To be honest,if we paid them what they are worth.

Then anything over minimum wage would be a bonus.

A 100% bunch of lazy gits that seek only to fill their own pockets.

The top dog thinks a guy winning a tennis match should get a knighthood, just about says it all really.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Interseting to note the MPs who are saying they shouldn't get the payrise are the wealthier ones.

Cameron, Jeffrey/ Gideon/ George, Gove, Hodge and so on.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Compared to MP's in many other countries such as Germany, our MP's are not paid highly enough.

I say pay them a wage that reflects the job they are doing, but ban them from being directors or consultants to commercial companies.

To be honest,if we paid them what they are worth.

Then anything over minimum wage would be a bonus.

A 100% bunch of lazy gits that seek only to fill their own pockets.

The top dog thinks a guy winning a tennis match should get a knighthood, just about says it all really.

Ridiculous to tar them all with the same brush, and I think you know it.

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

Why is MPs pay not linked to someone (of use) in a profession ?

Such as, MPS pay is set at same rate a Chief Fire Officer, for instance. Then if MPs want to impose a public sector payfreeze, it will affect them as well.

They should also, just get the same level of expenses as the Fire Officer and be barred from having any other paid employment, or bribes, kickbacks, call it what you will.

John

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

" Why is MPs pay not linked to someone (of use) in a profession ?

Such as, MPS pay is set at same rate a Chief Fire Officer, for instance. Then if MPs want to impose a public sector payfreeze, it will affect them as well.

They should also, just get the same level of expenses as the Fire Officer and be barred from having any other paid employment, or bribes, kickbacks, call it what you will.

John"

Well said John

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like it or not an MP could and in many cases can secure a much higher income elsewhere. People who "sit on their arses" don't get elected. They've got to get off them and do something. So if you think it's so easy, give it a go and take it in.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

This isn't about MP's pay scale or they are or are not worth the pay

The point of the post is this-

At a time when there are people in this country reliant on food banks

Local authorities are having to cut cut cut

How can MP's justify a raise in pay ?

Let alone 11%

Most civil servants have had to accept a pay freeze for 5 or so years

It's disgusting ... END OF

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"Like it or not an MP could and in many cases can secure a much higher income elsewhere. People who "sit on their arses" don't get elected. They've got to get off them and do something. So if you think it's so easy, give it a go and take it in."

some of them could secure a much higher income elsewhere,but they chose politics,it's not like they're forced into it,they make the choice.

having made that choice,it's ubber hypocritical of them to tell everyone else to tighten their belts,whilst they're out getting a bigger belt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And after the public insisted that MP's didn't organise their own pay they handed over to an Independant body who have put forward this pay rise along with cuts in salary and pensions as well as the payment when they lose or step down from their seat. Strangely this is what the public demanded. Oops

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

MPs are civil servants. Civil Servants have had their pay frozen for the last three years, and no end in sight. So they should have the same rules. As a MP gets paid £60k + a year I think they'll manage. I get £25k a year and really don't manage!

Its our own fault though. After the expenses scandal we took their rights to award their own pay rises away and gave it to an independent body and guess who is recommending the payrise? That very independent body.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some of them could secure a much higher income elsewhere,but they chose politics,it's not like they're forced into it,they make the choice.

having made that choice,it's ubber hypocritical of them to tell everyone else to tighten their belts,whilst they're out getting a bigger belt."

Except they're not the ones awarding the rise. It's not till 2015 and it's not been accepted yet or at all. They're in a lose lose. They get offered it, they're arses they turn it down and they're clearly too rich to need extra money and therefore arses.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

Yep I agree

Most are arses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep - total arses!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So replace them! Become an mp. If your views are popular and you believe you can do it better, crack on and do it. Salary is good, perks are good and apparently they don't do anything all day so it should suit all of us. Or is it easier to stand back and blame them?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"MPs are civil servants. "

I don't think they are. I think they 'may' be supposed to be public servants but not Civil Servants.

If they were Civil Servants, we wouldn't be having this problem. They'd be on a pay scale and that'd be it.

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

I think MPs are classed as self employed.

Nearly every job that I know of has a "job description" which outlines the qualifications required for that job and what the job entails. I'd love to see the job description for MPs !!!

John

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The 'qualifications' are the ability to get yourself elected by a bunch of people you've probably never met and possibly never will.

If you can manage this again and again - well done.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could someone please finish the saying..."we'll round em up, put em in a field and....."......

Thanking you in advance

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

"So replace them! Become an mp. If your views are popular and you believe you can do it better, crack on and do it. Salary is good, perks are good and apparently they don't do anything all day so it should suit all of us. Or is it easier to stand back and blame them?"

Just for clarity

Yiu believe an 11% rise is justifiable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just for clarity

Yiu believe an 11% rise is justifiable?"

No idea. I'm not party to all the facts. I don't believe they get paid a lot. But then i don't have this odd british concept that if someone makes more than me its unfair or wrong! Certainly they don't get paid a lot for people with comparable responsibility. Their job selection is also pretty strict as well. After they get selected to stand they then compete against a group of people for their seat with a huge chance of failure and therefore no job or money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So far clegg and milliband have said they wont take it. Not suprisingly cam the sham is not saying what he will do.

At next election which is when it will come into effect all prospective mps should declare if they accepting the increase.

In addition to this millibsnd proposed cap of 5k on individual donations to political parties yet again cameron said no.

How can we all be in it together when on same day bedroom tax came into effect the richest folk got 110k tax rebate.

Says it all reallly.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Were in it together " just some of us are inb it deeper than others and don't have a boat let alone a paddle !

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

Just for clarity

Yiu believe an 11% rise is justifiable?

There are no facts .. It's simple . There are proposals to give an mp a pay rise of 11%

My question to you is considering the unemployment rate

Cuts to services

Many people not even getting a 1 % pay rise

Is it justifiable for them to get an 11% raise?

How many times in your life have you had an % raise so big ?

So once again ... Is it justifiable ?

Yes or no?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

MPs are not civil servants they are classified as public servants. I notice how gove thinks teachers should be paid by results so why not MPs? Perhaps the economy wouldn't be in such a mess if they were.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just for clarity

Yiu believe an 11% rise is justifiable?

There are no facts .. It's simple . There are proposals to give an mp a pay rise of 11%

My question to you is considering the unemployment rate

Cuts to services

Many people not even getting a 1 % pay rise

Is it justifiable for them to get an 11% raise?

How many times in your life have you had an % raise so big ?

So once again ... Is it justifiable ?

Yes or no?

How many times have I had that big a pay rise?

3 times I can think of

One was 15% however what I earn isn't relevant nor how big my pay hike was.

Do I think it's justifiable? Again I don't know as I don't have all the facts of the independent review.

Do I think it's reasonable given they will be losing some benefits and pension contributions and golden goodbyes and give their salary compared to people with similar responsibility. Then the amount is reasonable. The 11% is a red herring. It's the amount of money not the differential between before and after.

This system was insisted upon by the media and the electorate.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

....."After they get selected to stand they then compete against a group of people for their seat with a huge chance of failure and therefore no job or money"...,

Except the number of people is about 30, with about 5 with a real chance of success. Higher if it's a safe seat and not marginal. They probably already have jobs prior to standing for election and a great many MPs are wealthy.

I wonder why the government said recently that the rise in the use of foodbanks was not related to service cuts?

I think even the proposal of a 11% increase is a disgrace.

It's called 'thumbing your nose'.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

" ....."After they get selected to stand they then compete against a group of people for their seat with a huge chance of failure and therefore no job or money"...,

I wonder why the government said recently that the rise in the use of foodbanks was not related to service cuts?

I think even the proposal of a 11% increase is a disgrace.

It's called 'thumbing your nose'. "

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honest MPs are like Unicorns, everyones heard of them, but no bugger ever saw one.

Asking people to stand as an independant candidate is not realistic at all, and would serve no purpose even if you won the seat.

If several hundred Labour seats cant stop the theft of the countries assets, then a single seat has how much chance ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just don't get this argument that MP's are underpaid compared to elsewhere. Maybe elsewhere they do a better job representing their people & not just the wealthiest in society????

But more importantly, if you don't like the pay - don't take the job; isn't that the way it works for everyone else?

Also, if you've imposed cuts throughout society, putting many in to dire poverty, whilst putting at least 50k more in to the pockets of millionaires; don't accept an 11% pay rise - simples!!!

Jeez, some people!!!

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

" ....."After they get selected to stand they then compete against a group of people for their seat with a huge chance of failure and therefore no job or money"...,

I wonder why the government said recently that the rise in the use of foodbanks was not related to service cuts?

I think even the proposal of a 11% increase is a disgrace.

It's called 'thumbing your nose'. "

Well said

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I just don't get this argument that MP's are underpaid compared to elsewhere. Maybe elsewhere they do a better job representing their people & not just the wealthiest in society????

But more importantly, if you don't like the pay - don't take the job; isn't that the way it works for everyone else?

Also, if you've imposed cuts throughout society, putting many in to dire poverty, whilst putting at least 50k more in to the pockets of millionaires; don't accept an 11% pay rise - simples!!!

Jeez, some people!!! "

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I just don't get this argument that MP's are underpaid compared to elsewhere. Maybe elsewhere they do a better job representing their people & not just the wealthiest in society????

But more importantly, if you don't like the pay - don't take the job; isn't that the way it works for everyone else?

Also, if you've imposed cuts throughout society, putting many in to dire poverty, whilst putting at least 50k more in to the pockets of millionaires; don't accept an 11% pay rise - simples!!!

Jeez, some people!!! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MPs are not civil servants they are classified as public servants. I notice how gove thinks teachers should be paid by results so why not MPs? Perhaps the economy wouldn't be in such a mess if they were. "

Difficult one that as technically only one side of the floor is responsible for the economy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"give them what we where offered,no pay rise for three years,and now a 1% pay rise for the next three years"
I'm with you on this, I'm a Civil Servant had a 3 year pay freeze & now 1% rise over 3 years & they've messed with our pension.

Think we are funding their F***ing pay rise. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MP's haven't suggested the Pay rise.

It's an Independant body.

No one has accepted something that hasn't been offered. It's called not having to thumb my nose because nothing has happened yet.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

"MP's haven't suggested the Pay rise.

It's an Independant body.

No one has accepted something that hasn't been offered. It's called not having to thumb my nose because nothing has happened yet."

it's happening !

And it's disgusting

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"MP's haven't suggested the Pay rise.

It's an Independant body.

No one has accepted something that hasn't been offered. It's called not having to thumb my nose because nothing has happened yet."

You are wasting your time trying to explain it.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MP's haven't suggested the Pay rise.

It's an Independant body.

No one has accepted something that hasn't been offered. It's called not having to thumb my nose because nothing has happened yet.

it's happening !

And it's disgusting"

Is it? When did they decide to go ahead with the 11%?

They also suggested this

A new pension on a par with other parts of the public sector, moving from a final-salary to career-average scheme, which Ipsa says will save taxpayers nearly £2.5m a year

Scrapping "resettlement payments", which were worth up to £64,766 for long-serving MPs still of working age, the first £30,000 of which was tax-free. and introducing "more modest" redundancy packages, available only to those who contest their seat and lose

A "tighter regime" of business costs and expenses - including an end to the £15-a-night meal allowance and taxis home after late sittings

Is that all "disgusting" too? They will earn more but it will be balanced in other areas.

And just to emphasise this is an INDPENDANT body not MPs who've suggested these changes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MP's haven't suggested the Pay rise.

It's an Independant body.

No one has accepted something that hasn't been offered. It's called not having to thumb my nose because nothing has happened yet.

You are wasting your time trying to explain it....."

Lol I'm getting that. Perhaps my stubborn minded inability to be outraged about something that's not actually happened yet will be my downfall

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

"MP's haven't suggested the Pay rise.

It's an Independant body.

No one has accepted something that hasn't been offered. It's called not having to thumb my nose because nothing has happened yet.

You are wasting your time trying to explain it....."

I understand what he is saying

I'm not stupid

Maybe my argument has gone over your heads

So ill leave it there !

Jeez

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

My degree in Economics enables me understand the concept. My degree of cynicism about the Eton Mess leads me to.....

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I think the whole report from the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority needs to be read to appreciate the whole story.

There are clear movements being mooted to change the way that MP's are paid with regards to Salaries, Perks, Expenses, Pensions, Death Benefits....

The basic salary is just one facet of the whole report.

But of course the baying crowd will only see the 11% as they won't want to see the bits of the report that don't suit them.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I think the whole report from the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority needs to be read to appreciate the whole story.

There are clear movements being mooted to change the way that MP's are paid with regards to Salaries, Perks, Expenses, Pensions, Death Benefits....

The basic salary is just one facet of the whole report.

But of course the baying crowd will only see the 11% as they won't want to see the bits of the report that don't suit them."

"The Baying Crowd"? It was on Radio 4 and the BBC - hardly "Baying Crowd".

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"I think the whole report from the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority needs to be read to appreciate the whole story.

There are clear movements being mooted to change the way that MP's are paid with regards to Salaries, Perks, Expenses, Pensions, Death Benefits....

The basic salary is just one facet of the whole report.

But of course the baying crowd will only see the 11% as they won't want to see the bits of the report that don't suit them.

"The Baying Crowd"? It was on Radio 4 and the BBC - hardly "Baying Crowd".

I was referring to the likes of The Taxpayers Alliance......

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

I've read the report and understand how much is going to be saved and the changes made will "clean up politics"

But once again is it right for MP's to be given a double figure raise when nurses and other public service workers are expected to manage on a pay freeze ?

Is that fair ???

Is it fair that the people who are asking us to tighten our belts are getting a rise?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My degree in Economics enables me understand the concept. My degree of cynicism about the Eton Mess leads me to.....

I'll raise you a degree as I've got two of those. However I suspect that people's cynicism is based only partially in reality. For example Some mps fiddled expenses therefore all MPs are crooks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feel free to elect me :D

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Compared to MP's in many other countries such as Germany, our MP's are not paid highly enough.

I say pay them a wage that reflects the job they are doing, but ban them from being directors or consultants to commercial companies."

Considering most of the law making powers have been handed over to Europe, I'd say they should be looking at a pay decrease.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Compared to MP's in many other countries such as Germany, our MP's are not paid highly enough.

I say pay them a wage that reflects the job they are doing, but ban them from being directors or consultants to commercial companies.

Considering most of the law making powers have been handed over to Europe, I'd say they should be looking at a pay decrease. "

"Most"? Care to elaborate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Compared to MP's in many other countries such as Germany, our MP's are not paid highly enough.

I say pay them a wage that reflects the job they are doing, but ban them from being directors or consultants to commercial companies.

Considering most of the law making powers have been handed over to Europe, I'd say they should be looking at a pay decrease.

"Most"? Care to elaborate?

Sorry meant all! This country has little to no control over what's imposed on it now...open boarders, votes for criminals, life sentences for killers being unfair on their human rights!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anybody see the papers today? The poor are paying more percentage of their wages to the taxman than the rich people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Compared to MP's in many other countries such as Germany, our MP's are not paid highly enough.

I say pay them a wage that reflects the job they are doing, but ban them from being directors or consultants to commercial companies.

Considering most of the law making powers have been handed over to Europe, I'd say they should be looking at a pay decrease.

"Most"? Care to elaborate?

Sorry meant all! This country has little to no control over what's imposed on it now...open boarders, votes for criminals, life sentences for killers being unfair on their human rights!

Wow! Really?

So you mean nhs, taxes, roads, government foreign policy is all decided by Europe? Who knew?

Of course all the things you mention are things the British government is a signatory to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Feel free to elect me :D"

he meant erect

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"This isn't about MP's pay scale or they are or are not worth the pay

The point of the post is this-

At a time when there are people in this country reliant on food banks

Local authorities are having to cut cut cut

How can MP's justify a raise in pay ?

Let alone 11%

Most civil servants have had to accept a pay freeze for 5 or so years

It's disgusting ... END OF"

We can't have it both ways.

My understanding is following the MPs expenses scandal an independent body was set up with responsibility for MPs' pay. This proposed pay increase is their idea: nothing to do with the MPs.

The public demanded, the public got, so we can hardly complain if an independent body suggests rewarding them with more than they would have dared giving themselves.

In an ironic way, it's rather amusing!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"And after the public insisted that MP's didn't organise their own pay they handed over to an Independant body who have put forward this pay rise along with cuts in salary and pensions as well as the payment when they lose or step down from their seat. Strangely this is what the public demanded. Oops "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should have performance related pay. That will make them work harder and make Britain a better place to live.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"MPs are civil servants. Civil Servants have had their pay frozen for the last three years, and no end in sight. So they should have the same rules. As a MP gets paid £60k + a year I think they'll manage. I get £25k a year and really don't manage!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

some of them could secure a much higher income elsewhere,but they chose politics,it's not like they're forced into it,they make the choice.

having made that choice,it's ubber hypocritical of them to tell everyone else to tighten their belts,whilst they're out getting a bigger belt.

the timing could not be more wrong,no matter what an independant report recommends.

even MPs must see the hypocrisy,for this reason i think MPs will vote against it.

i would never say all MPs are arses,as such a stereotypical veiw,would clearly be unfair,and wholly untrue.

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Someone asked me the other day. What is my favourite party and I replied "No one. All politicians are the same

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