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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

This looks like a really bad one with over 400 people on board!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

omg has this just happened?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the bbc its a crash landing and people are getting out on the emergency slides.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Emergency crash landed at airport.....no news on injuries yet but witnesses say they saw passengers using the emergency chutes hopefully everyone ok

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"omg has this just happened?"

Yes, within the last hour. I'm watching it on CNN & I'm afraid to say, unless you were seated right at the back - you've very little chance!! So sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What side is this on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" hopefully everyone ok "

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By *arkinberksMan
over a year ago

Ascot

BBC say 777 operated by Asiana (S Korean airline) has crash landed at SFO - pax seen evacuating via emergency chutes and psmoke comng from plane. No details on injuries/fatalities or cause. Just winder if it was affected in the same way as the one that came down short of the runway at Heathrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watching terror in the skies so very spooky hearing

Like you say very sad 343 where kill on the plane my dad was on

my heart goes out to the families

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"omg has this just happened?

Yes, within the last hour. I'm watching it on CNN & I'm afraid to say, unless you were seated right at the back - you've very little chance!! So sad."

Just put it on now. It looks shocking. I really hope many managed to get out of that thing but it does look awful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The wreckage looks catastrophic ,,,,,

If everyone’s got out of that unharmed it speaks volumes for the onboard safety procedures .....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Watch CNN - the whole roof from the behind the cockpit almost to the tail has been burnt off!! It looks like it's flipped & most of the tail is sitting at the begining off the runway!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Omg it looks horrific

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

watching terror in the sky and the one in heathrow spooky

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Hearing conflicting reports but some are saying that everyone is accounted for - that's nothing short of a miracle!!

It obviously flipped & slid along the roof but somehow it righted itself.

-the emergency slides are useless if you're upside down!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just turned over to CNN it does look bad....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"watching terror in the sky and the one in heathrow spooky "

was watching when i read this post and i meant spooky in a horrible way

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"watching terror in the sky and the one in heathrow spooky

was watching when i read this post and i meant spooky in a horrible way"

well i was talking to my lodger and said there has not been a plane crash in a while

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Its saying everyone is accounted for, bloody miracle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its saying everyone is accounted for, bloody miracle"

Astonishing that people were able to walk free from that. Just seen some pictures of them walking away from the crash. As you say...miracle!

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By *exywheelsCouple
over a year ago

inverness

Looks like the BA 777 at heathrow in 2008 same type of aircraft but different engines. The cause of that was ice build up in the engines/fuel caused both to fail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"watching terror in the sky and the one in heathrow spooky

was watching when i read this post and i meant spooky in a horrible way

well i was talking to my lodger and said there has not been a plane crash in a while "

and i thought i was a jinx

Terror in the sky was talking about the new Boeing 787 mostly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its saying everyone is accounted for, bloody miracle

Astonishing that people were able to walk free from that. Just seen some pictures of them walking away from the crash. As you say...miracle!"

it's surpising looking at the roof and interior looks like smoke could have been one of the worst things i haven't heard them saying anything about the people on the plane

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Looks like the BA 777 at heathrow in 2008 same type of aircraft but different engines. The cause of that was ice build up in the engines/fuel caused both to fail"

Yeah, the fuel froze to the mesh of the fuel filters - it was just a few weeks before I took four 7hr flights in a B777.

I was not happy because they didn't know what had caused it back then!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just heard they are reporting 2 dead and 60+ seriously injured....

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

amazing some of the information coming out

and where is that 2nd engine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"amazing some of the information coming out

and where is that 2nd engine"

Possibly underwater - as they are also now saying it hit the seawall (!!!) at the end of the runway. Would make sense as an earlier report said the aircraft had 'flipped' - that could have been the effect of the wing and engine being ripped off...

Don't think the pilot is going to come out of this in a favourable light somehow.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah i saw them talking to the person who'd said flipped but should have said spun

I agree i think its in the water

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Judging by the debris trail, it looks like the tail hit the seawall & broke off - its momentum taking it 100 metres or so, to the beginning of the runway.

It could be a fuel problem also - which won't make the 777 manufacturers (Boeing) look too great either!!

Only 2 dead seems miraculous! RIP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Judging by the debris trail, it looks like the tail hit the seawall & broke off - its momentum taking it 100 metres or so, to the beginning of the runway.

It could be a fuel problem also - which won't make the 777 manufacturers (Boeing) look too great either!!

Only 2 dead seems miraculous! RIP"

so far 60 upwaards unaaccounted for

that smoke has to have got to some

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol


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Don't think the pilot is going to come out of this in a favourable light somehow.....

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without knowing what has happened yet, I cant imagine people blaming the pilot at this stage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Don't think the pilot is going to come out of this in a favourable light somehow.....

without knowing what has happened yet, I cant imagine people blaming the pilot at this stage "

came in to low, but not sure if plane was having problems

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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Don't think the pilot is going to come out of this in a favourable light somehow.....

without knowing what has happened yet, I cant imagine people blaming the pilot at this stage

came in to low, but not sure if plane was having problems

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An eyewitness said it was coming in faster than usual, also. Watching CNN & some aviation expert said there's never been a similar problem with a B 777 ............Heathrow 2008 - looks very similar except there was no seawall for the tail to hit - it pretty much belly flopped a 100 meters short of the runway!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Don't think the pilot is going to come out of this in a favourable light somehow.....

without knowing what has happened yet, I cant imagine people blaming the pilot at this stage

came in to low, but not sure if plane was having problems

An eyewitness said it was coming in faster than usual, also. Watching CNN & some aviation expert said there's never been a similar problem with a B 777 ............Heathrow 2008 - looks very similar except there was no seawall for the tail to hit - it pretty much belly flopped a 100 meters short of the runway!"

This is beginning to point to engine failure of some kind. 'If'... the aircraft did come in faster than usual, coupled with what appears to be a touch-down point falling short of the runway threshold and a lack of lateral control causing (maybe) the wing to drop and hit the seawall, it certainly fits.

The higher speed always seems a contradiction (No engines? So how does it go faster?) but it's basic physics - gravity and the weight of the aircraft take over and, as you are in a glide (and to maintain the rate of descent within flying limits) the pilot would be using a lot less flap than normal so the aircraft holds a lot more speed than in a normal, controlled descent.

Two of my customers are commercial pilots and they have poured scorn on the reasons given for the 2008 incident at Heathrow with the same type of aircraft.

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Don't think the pilot is going to come out of this in a favourable light somehow.....

without knowing what has happened yet, I cant imagine people blaming the pilot at this stage

came in to low, but not sure if plane was having problems

An eyewitness said it was coming in faster than usual, also. Watching CNN & some aviation expert said there's never been a similar problem with a B 777 ............Heathrow 2008 - looks very similar except there was no seawall for the tail to hit - it pretty much belly flopped a 100 meters short of the runway!"

I was in the BP garage near Hatton Cross, which it nearly landed on, about 20 mins before it happened. Let's just say I needed to toilet when I heard what had happened after I'd got me coffee...

I think it's a crying shame that the pilot of that flight has found it almost impossible to get another job flying since, specially after the job he did - despite reports making all kinds of accusations against him.

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's story as really hit home as I was flying home on a Boeing 777 earlier in the day yesterday, looking at the wreckage, really is amazing anyone got out alive.

So glad I saw the news after I landed in the UK and not whilst I was still in transit.

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By *EXY50ishWoman
over a year ago

Anywhere and nowhere

Wow didn't realize Id joined the world news channel

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By *taffsfella1Man
over a year ago

Newcastle-under-Lyme


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Don't think the pilot is going to come out of this in a favourable light somehow.....

without knowing what has happened yet, I cant imagine people blaming the pilot at this stage

came in to low, but not sure if plane was having problems

An eyewitness said it was coming in faster than usual, also. Watching CNN & some aviation expert said there's never been a similar problem with a B 777 ............Heathrow 2008 - looks very similar except there was no seawall for the tail to hit - it pretty much belly flopped a 100 meters short of the runway!

I was in the BP garage near Hatton Cross, which it nearly landed on, about 20 mins before it happened. Let's just say I needed to toilet when I heard what had happened after I'd got me coffee...

I think it's a crying shame that the pilot of that flight has found it almost impossible to get another job flying since, specially after the job he did - despite reports making all kinds of accusations against him.

ted."

That is really sad news about the pilot unable to get a job. I watched the aircrash investigation episode and they proved beyond doubt that it was the ice crystals in the fuel pipe that caused the engines to fail. He did a great job of landing a stricken aircraft.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Don't think the pilot is going to come out of this in a favourable light somehow.....

without knowing what has happened yet, I cant imagine people blaming the pilot at this stage

came in to low, but not sure if plane was having problems

An eyewitness said it was coming in faster than usual, also. Watching CNN & some aviation expert said there's never been a similar problem with a B 777 ............Heathrow 2008 - looks very similar except there was no seawall for the tail to hit - it pretty much belly flopped a 100 meters short of the runway!

I was in the BP garage near Hatton Cross, which it nearly landed on, about 20 mins before it happened. Let's just say I needed to toilet when I heard what had happened after I'd got me coffee...

I think it's a crying shame that the pilot of that flight has found it almost impossible to get another job flying since, specially after the job he did - despite reports making all kinds of accusations against him.

ted.

That is really sad news about the pilot unable to get a job. I watched the aircrash investigation episode and they proved beyond doubt that it was the ice crystals in the fuel pipe that caused the engines to fail. He did a great job of landing a stricken aircraft. "

The sad fact is that about 80% of all crashes are recorded as 'Pilot Error', and when you have overwhelming stats like that, it influences recruitment if the pilot applies for another job as the word 'crash' is on his log.

Personally, I think he made a bad move leaving BA about a year after the incident. Should have stayed there....

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By *ondigler67Man
over a year ago

lymington

It could be a fuel problem also - which won't make the 777 manufacturers (Boeing) look too great either!!

Boeing dont make aircraft engines.

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By *ondigler67Man
over a year ago

lymington


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This is beginning to point to engine failure of some kind. 'If'... the aircraft did come in faster than usual, coupled with what appears to be a touch-down point falling short of the runway threshold and a lack of lateral control causing (maybe) the wing to drop and hit the seawall, it certainly fits.

The higher speed always seems a contradiction (No engines? So how does it go faster?) but it's basic physics - gravity and the weight of the aircraft take over and, as you are in a glide (and to maintain the rate of descent within flying limits) the pilot would be using a lot less flap than normal so the aircraft holds a lot more speed than in a normal, controlled descent.

Two of my customers are commercial pilots and they have poured scorn on the reasons given for the 2008 incident at Heathrow with the same type of aircraft.

ted. "

Lot of armchair experts on here - my mate is a pilot blah blah blah. 'beginning to look like an engine problem' are you serious?? how can you possibly tell this??

'lot less flap than usual' - the flaps are clearly fully deployed.

'to maintain the rate of descent within flying limits' wtf is that supposed to mean lol - ask your pilot mates to clarify this one for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been watching most of the night strange how the helpful landing system at SF was off.

With all the modern technology that we have and able to see everyones clip / pics it just shows how lucky most of them have been.

There's only one BBC clip i've found on the french air crash 1974 which lead to the end of DC10

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

This is beginning to point to engine failure of some kind. 'If'... the aircraft did come in faster than usual, coupled with what appears to be a touch-down point falling short of the runway threshold and a lack of lateral control causing (maybe) the wing to drop and hit the seawall, it certainly fits.

The higher speed always seems a contradiction (No engines? So how does it go faster?) but it's basic physics - gravity and the weight of the aircraft take over and, as you are in a glide (and to maintain the rate of descent within flying limits) the pilot would be using a lot less flap than normal so the aircraft holds a lot more speed than in a normal, controlled descent.

Two of my customers are commercial pilots and they have poured scorn on the reasons given for the 2008 incident at Heathrow with the same type of aircraft.

ted.

Lot of armchair experts on here - my mate is a pilot blah blah blah. 'beginning to look like an engine problem' are you serious?? how can you possibly tell this??

'lot less flap than usual' - the flaps are clearly fully deployed.

'to maintain the rate of descent within flying limits' wtf is that supposed to mean lol - ask your pilot mates to clarify this one for you."

The point I was making is 'if' it is engine failure, that is what happens. Within limits (the point at which the aircraft no longer 'flies') means keeping the aircraft from stalling and dropping out of the sky - which is what the pilots of the Heathrow aircraft did or it would have come down in the middle of Hounslow.

Flaps - there is a very clear aerial view of the crashed aircraft on the BBC news website. The leading edge SLATS are partially deployed, the trailing edge flaps 'appear' to be around 12/15 degrees out in this photo. They would go to around 22 degrees down (possibly more, don't know about 777) if fully extended, at which point there would be a clear gap between the trailing edge of the wing the flaps. On this picture there is NO gap.

And, although I no longer fly as it costs a flippin fortune, I am not an 'armchair pilot' - thanks. I do not need to ask my 'pilot mates' (customers actually)

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plane not plain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Been watching most of the night strange how the helpful landing system at SF was off.

With all the modern technology that we have and able to see everyones clip / pics it just shows how lucky most of them have been.

There's only one BBC clip i've found on the french air crash 1974 which lead to the end of DC10 "

I take it you are talking about the Paris crash? It didn't actually lead to the end of the DC10 - it lead to a complete redesign of the rear-port cargo door seal and frame, and a refit on all DC10's at the time. That was fantastic aircraft to fly on, and I was lucky enough to right-seat on one for a couple of hours on the way back from Banjul 30 years ago. Very responsive for such a large aircraft - bit like a Jag S type of the skies

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep thats the one, i have the report and books, but find it too hard to read

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Came in too low and clouted the sea wall with the tail. I've landed at sfo and had one near miss. It's a short runway.

Returning in Sept and sitting near the back. More drink called for!

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By *ondigler67Man
over a year ago

lymington


"

'If'... the aircraft did come in faster than usual, coupled with what appears to be a touch-down point falling short of the runway threshold and a lack of lateral control causing (maybe) the wing to drop and hit the seawall, it certainly fits.

The higher speed always seems a contradiction (No engines? So how does it go faster?) but it's basic physics - gravity and the weight of the aircraft take over and, as you are in a glide (and to maintain the rate of descent within flying limits) the pilot would be using a lot less flap than normal so the aircraft holds a lot more speed than in a normal, controlled descent.

Two of my customers are commercial pilots and they have poured scorn on the reasons given for the 2008 incident at Heathrow with the same type of aircraft.

ted.

Lot of armchair experts on here - my mate is a pilot blah blah blah. 'beginning to look like an engine problem' are you serious?? how can you possibly tell this??

'lot less flap than usual' - the flaps are clearly fully deployed.

'to maintain the rate of descent within flying limits' wtf is that supposed to mean lol - ask your pilot mates to clarify this one for you.

The point I was making is 'if' it is engine failure, that is what happens. Within limits (the point at which the aircraft no longer 'flies') means keeping the aircraft from stalling and dropping out of the sky - which is what the pilots of the Heathrow aircraft did or it would have come down in the middle of Hounslow.

Flaps - there is a very clear aerial view of the crashed aircraft on the BBC news website. The leading edge SLATS are partially deployed, the trailing edge flaps 'appear' to be around 12/15 degrees out in this photo. They would go to around 22 degrees down (possibly more, don't know about 777) if fully extended, at which point there would be a clear gap between the trailing edge of the wing the flaps. On this picture there is NO gap.

And, although I no longer fly as it costs a flippin fortune, I am not an 'armchair pilot' - thanks. I do not need to ask my 'pilot mates' (customers actually)

ted."

Well thats great Ted - suggest you get on the phone to the NTSB and let them know your conclusions. 'Flaps look like they are 12/15 degrees' - incredible assessment from an aerial photo!! 'slats are partially extended' - can you honestly tell the difference between partially and fully extended slats on a 777? - 'lack of lateral control' another amazing deduction sherlock would love to hear how you came up with that gem lol. 'a clear gap between between the flap and the wing' - perhaps they had retracted the landing flaps in a late attempt to go around. the fact is ted despite all your expertise on microsoft flight sim and all your pilot mates - sorry customers - you just dont know what happened.

ps 'rate of descent within flying limits' i still dont know what you mean (do you??) but rate of descent has nothing to do with stalling a wing.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

Im amazed the one of the people who got off the the plane alive managed to find the time to use twitter to tell everyone about the crash. If i had just survived a near death experience the last thing id be interested in is going on twitter.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Im amazed the one of the people who got off the the plane alive managed to find the time to use twitter to tell everyone about the crash. If i had just survived a near death experience the last thing id be interested in is going on twitter.

"

Shock, thankful to be alive alerting people to know they are ok....when we are involved in near death experiences our body and minds react in different ways...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It could be a fuel problem also - which won't make the 777 manufacturers (Boeing) look too great either!!

Boeing dont make aircraft engines."

Excellently grasped my dear Watson - but they do make wings that contain fuel tanks - duh!!!

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By *ondigler67Man
over a year ago

lymington


"It could be a fuel problem also - which won't make the 777 manufacturers (Boeing) look too great either!!

Boeing dont make aircraft engines.

Excellently grasped my dear Watson - but they do make wings that contain fuel tanks - duh!!!"

Sorry - im so thick - when you said 'it could be a fuel problem' i assumed you meant that it could be a fuel problem but actually you meant it was a problem with the wings - either way its looking like your wrong - but hey dont let that stop you posting bollux

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

LOL - just read the post!!

Wanna borrow a JCB to dig yourself any deeper?

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