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"Hey op I hope you’re feeling better after getting that all out I can’t say I’ve seen any biphobia from other bi people on here, although I have seen rather a lot of biphobia from couples or singles. I guess there are assholes in every demographic. Your situation isn’t unique, but it is fairly unusual. I can only think of one other guy who has decided to explore his bisexuality on the gay-bi pathway rather than the hetero-bi. I wonder if that’s what throws some folks off. Sexuality is a full spectrum and there does appear to be a lot of folks who might identify as bisexual but they wouldn’t identify as bi-romantic. Either way it’s no excuse to be a twat. Report any abuse you’ve had to admin to deal with. Block, and move onwards x" Thanks for reply. I do feel a bit better now, thanks. I do think the whole gay to bi-curious thing does through some people off, as it’s not common. I was just surprised at the response to it. I’m either not believed or get the type of comments mentioned previously. Yeah, most bisexuals are in opposite sex relationships, and I was wondering if the lack of experience in same-sex relationships might impact their views somewhat. Again, I feel the need to state that I am not judging all bisexuals. The majority have been are nice. Every community has twats. Hope you have a good day x | |||
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"Hey op I hope you’re feeling better after getting that all out I can’t say I’ve seen any biphobia from other bi people on here, although I have seen rather a lot of biphobia from couples or singles. I guess there are assholes in every demographic. Your situation isn’t unique, but it is fairly unusual. I can only think of one other guy who has decided to explore his bisexuality on the gay-bi pathway rather than the hetero-bi. I wonder if that’s what throws some folks off. Sexuality is a full spectrum and there does appear to be a lot of folks who might identify as bisexual but they wouldn’t identify as bi-romantic. Either way it’s no excuse to be a twat. Report any abuse you’ve had to admin to deal with. Block, and move onwards x Thanks for reply. I do feel a bit better now, thanks. I do think the whole gay to bi-curious thing does through some people off, as it’s not common. I was just surprised at the response to it. I’m either not believed or get the type of comments mentioned previously. Yeah, most bisexuals are in opposite sex relationships, and I was wondering if the lack of experience in same-sex relationships might impact their views somewhat. Again, I feel the need to state that I am not judging all bisexuals. The majority have been are nice. Every community has twats. Hope you have a good day x" Sometimes a rant is much needed 😂 | |||
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"I’ve been on this website for a while now, and can’t help but notice the casual homophobia I regularly receive from bi men, after they find out that my dating history is exclusively with men. Honestly, I have lost count at the number of negative or snide comments I have received about this. It’s as though they look down on me, and think they are somewhat superior. I am certainly not seen as an equal. You know, the “men are for fucking, not dating, what’s wrong with you?” types. Yes, I have had such messages on a number of occasions, and sudden blocks when they discover that although I am bi-curious, my life is essentially gay. Rarely have I ever received such responses from bi women. It has probably only happened once with a female. One man recently said I’m just a gay having a midlife crisis and should stick to Grindr. Does anyone know why this is? I always try to be respectful and friendly, yet come across such individuals regularly enough. I am not the only person to have noticed it happens. Some might say it’s internalised homophobia on their part, but I’m unsure. I want to get to know people better from various sexual orientations, and understand different perspectives, but it is not easy when there is so much disrespect shown towards me. Just to make it absolutely clear, I am not blaming all bi men. Far from it. Most have been nice and understanding, but a significant enough minority do appear to have a problem with how I live/have lived my life, and it’s so demoralising. I’m not the type to get easily offended, but it hurts when guys who should know better look down on you so much. I have ADHD, so my brain can’t keep up with my fingers and this results in typing errors. So I apologise for any in this post." I meant my fingers can’t keep up with my brain. Damn, I really need to proofread 😂 | |||
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"I get it sometimes from gay women ,look down on my bisexual self. I just remove myself from those sorts of people, I have no desire to explain my sexuality to people who are narrow minded and rude. Don't let the negativity get you down, just move it along, in other words fuck em. " I am sorry to hear about that. Often, I don’t know where I belong. That’s basically the story of my life. I’ve already started cheering up. The music is on and I am just chilling out after my holiday in Florida. It was great, but the flight takes a lot out me 😂 | |||
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"I get it sometimes from gay women ,look down on my bisexual self. I just remove myself from those sorts of people, I have no desire to explain my sexuality to people who are narrow minded and rude. Don't let the negativity get you down, just move it along, in other words fuck em. " this is the thing. move away from them, dont engage on any level. they will never agree or try to see things differently. | |||
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"I get it sometimes from gay women ,look down on my bisexual self. I just remove myself from those sorts of people, I have no desire to explain my sexuality to people who are narrow minded and rude. Don't let the negativity get you down, just move it along, in other words fuck em. this is the thing. move away from them, dont engage on any level. they will never agree or try to see things differently." It’s the hypocrisy that I really couldn’t understand. The whole men are okay to shag but not date thing. It’s really demeaning to those in same sex relationships, who face the most homophobia, including violence, which I unfortunately faced recently. I’ve stopped getting into arguments as it’s a waste of time. Some people are set in their ways and unlikely to change. | |||
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"I get it sometimes from gay women ,look down on my bisexual self. I just remove myself from those sorts of people, I have no desire to explain my sexuality to people who are narrow minded and rude. Don't let the negativity get you down, just move it along, in other words fuck em. this is the thing. move away from them, dont engage on any level. they will never agree or try to see things differently. It’s the hypocrisy that I really couldn’t understand. The whole men are okay to shag but not date thing. It’s really demeaning to those in same sex relationships, who face the most homophobia, including violence, which I unfortunately faced recently. I’ve stopped getting into arguments as it’s a waste of time. Some people are set in their ways and unlikely to change. " Sorry, I just noticed you were replying to Beautifully Twisted. | |||
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"Many women don’t want to have sex with me because they see it as some science experiment on my part, and I respect their choice, but disagree with the framing if it, For swinging this can be an issue, but not when it comes to showing general respect and curtesy in conversations ." could it because they don't fancy you, I get about 90% more knock backs on here than I do in the real world and trust me my real world standard are a lot higher | |||
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"Many women don’t want to have sex with me because they see it as some science experiment on my part, and I respect their choice, but disagree with the framing if it, For swinging this can be an issue, but not when it comes to showing general respect and curtesy in conversations .could it because they don't fancy you, I get about 90% more knock backs on here than I do in the real world and trust me my real world standard are a lot higher" I think this is a good point. People put themselves under pressure that they must secure 'meets' and they are doing something wrong if they aren't getting them. Although this is a place to arrange things many pitfalls await also and I find actually chatting to people face to face you can get along as you can tell things like what is fun, a joke, being funny where on here you can be cheeky and many see you as a troublemaker and your judged instantly without them knowing the real you. | |||
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"Many women don’t want to have sex with me because they see it as some science experiment on my part, and I respect their choice, but disagree with the framing if it, For swinging this can be an issue, but not when it comes to showing general respect and curtesy in conversations .could it because they don't fancy you, I get about 90% more knock backs on here than I do in the real world and trust me my real world standard are a lot higher" You’re straight though, so likely to receive less knock backs than I am., I’ve had it explicitly stated to me on here that this is the reason why. I don’t want to lie to a woman about my situations, as that wouldn’t be fair on her. When polled, the majority of women say they won’t have sex with bi men. | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K." I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. | |||
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"Many women don’t want to have sex with me because they see it as some science experiment on my part, and I respect their choice, but disagree with the framing if it, For swinging this can be an issue, but not when it comes to showing general respect and curtesy in conversations .could it because they don't fancy you, I get about 90% more knock backs on here than I do in the real world and trust me my real world standard are a lot higher You’re straight though, so likely to receive less knock backs than I am., I’ve had it explicitly stated to me on here that this is the reason why. I don’t want to lie to a woman about my situations, as that wouldn’t be fair on her. When polled, the majority of women say they won’t have sex with bi men. " Again, women are free to have sex with who they want. It would be wrong to pressure them into doing something they aren’t comfortable with. I’m just stating my own experience and what polling says. | |||
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"It's not pleasant that you are going through any kind of turmoil O.P. and I hope it becomes unravelled in the way you would want it to. I read your opening post and cannot see anything that would strongly imply homophobia. There could be very many reasons for why people behave the way they do and equally as many reasons for the meaning we give to it and the way we respond to it. I wish you success and very very soon. Have a great day." Interesting. Out of curiosity, what part of demeaning same sex relationships, making them lesser than opposite sex ones not homophobia? I was giving a general vibe of some of the messages I’ve received. Some were blatantly berating me for having male partners. I know homophobia when I see it. Would you consider me being punched and being called a poof a few weeks ago homophobia? | |||
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"You really do respond negatively. Even to help. Be happy. " I merely asked a question, thats all. Which you didn’t reply to. Can I ask what your sexual orientation is? It’s sort of relevant to what is being discussed. Most of the time, I am happy. Thanks. | |||
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"I'm bisexual, I always imagined bi guys wouldn't be homophobic but I stand corrected. I also think that gay men or women wanting to try something different sex wise is as natural as a straight guy wanting to explore sex with other men. I've been on both fab sites for a long time and have only had one abusive message. It didn't bother me personally as I couldn't give a stuff what some knacker a hundred miles thinks of me but I reported him anyway as abusive behaviour is deeply horrible. I hope you get to explore your bi side and have fun doing it. " Thanks, it’s appreciated. Apparently, it’s only straight men who are allowed to experiment. Who knew? I must have missed that law being passed 😂 | |||
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"You really do respond negatively. Even to help. Be happy. " It's like when men tell women to "smile more often"...all is good in the world if you just SMILE MORE  | |||
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"I’ve been on this website for a while now, and can’t help but notice the casual homophobia I regularly receive from bi men, after they find out that my dating history is exclusively with men. Honestly, I have lost count at the number of negative or snide comments I have received about this. It’s as though they look down on me, and think they are somewhat superior. I am certainly not seen as an equal. You know, the “men are for fucking, not dating, what’s wrong with you?” types. Yes, I have had such messages on a number of occasions, and sudden blocks when they discover that although I am bi-curious, my life is essentially gay. Rarely have I ever received such responses from bi women. It has probably only happened once with a female. One man recently said I’m just a gay having a midlife crisis and should stick to Grindr. Does anyone know why this is? I always try to be respectful and friendly, yet come across such individuals regularly enough. I am not the only person to have noticed it happens. Some might say it’s internalised homophobia on their part, but I’m unsure. I want to get to know people better from various sexual orientations, and understand different perspectives, but it is not easy when there is so much disrespect shown towards me. Just to make it absolutely clear, I am not blaming all bi men. Far from it. Most have been nice and understanding, but a significant enough minority do appear to have a problem with how I live/have lived my life, and it’s so demoralising. I’m not the type to get easily offended, but it hurts when guys who should know better look down on you so much. I have ADHD, so my brain can’t keep up with my fingers and this results in typing errors. So I apologise for any in this post." I am not trying to minimise your experience- but simply put, there are assholes around, and no amount of trying to figure it out or rationalize it will change it I’m afraid. I find a significant minority, as you put it, of people i come in contact with on here behave like assholes. Simple. I cut contact and move on. This site is representative of wider society - there’s a proportion that are assholes. Try not to take is personally. | |||
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"Hiya OP, it's completely understandable to feel weary when observing societal divisions and the erosion of kindness. We should try and focus on our own well-being and tuning out the negativity, I find this to be a remarkably healthy coping mechanism. Protect your inner peace by embracing your authentic self is often the best way to navigate a World that feels disconnected. " Cheers. Most of the time, that’s exactly what I do. I was just having one of those days where everything was getting on top of me. I’ll do better in future to avoid negativity and embracing my authentic self more. It’s a learning curve. Have a lovely day x | |||
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"I have noticed there is always a divisive thread in the forums with regard to sexuality. You're either too gay, too bi, too straight, not bi enough, not straight enough etc. Always someone stating that their sexuality makes them 'better.' I really don't feel that any of it is justified. Be polite, respectful and treat others as equals is my approach. Sorry that you've received abuse. There is no excuse for it, and you should not have to justify your choices or preferences to anyone. You seem to be honest and genuine, that is all anyone can ask." How kind, thank you. Well said. | |||
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"I’ve been on this website for a while now, and can’t help but notice the casual homophobia I regularly receive from bi men, after they find out that my dating history is exclusively with men. Honestly, I have lost count at the number of negative or snide comments I have received about this. It’s as though they look down on me, and think they are somewhat superior. I am certainly not seen as an equal. You know, the “men are for fucking, not dating, what’s wrong with you?” types. Yes, I have had such messages on a number of occasions, and sudden blocks when they discover that although I am bi-curious, my life is essentially gay. Rarely have I ever received such responses from bi women. It has probably only happened once with a female. One man recently said I’m just a gay having a midlife crisis and should stick to Grindr. Does anyone know why this is? I always try to be respectful and friendly, yet come across such individuals regularly enough. I am not the only person to have noticed it happens. Some might say it’s internalised homophobia on their part, but I’m unsure. I want to get to know people better from various sexual orientations, and understand different perspectives, but it is not easy when there is so much disrespect shown towards me. Just to make it absolutely clear, I am not blaming all bi men. Far from it. Most have been nice and understanding, but a significant enough minority do appear to have a problem with how I live/have lived my life, and it’s so demoralising. I’m not the type to get easily offended, but it hurts when guys who should know better look down on you so much. I have ADHD, so my brain can’t keep up with my fingers and this results in typing errors. So I apologise for any in this post. I am not trying to minimise your experience- but simply put, there are assholes around, and no amount of trying to figure it out or rationalize it will change it I’m afraid. I find a significant minority, as you put it, of people i come in contact with on here behave like assholes. Simple. I cut contact and move on. This site is representative of wider society - there’s a proportion that are assholes. Try not to take is personally. " I’ve been open about liking guys since I was 13. Thats over 20 years ago. Normally, I don’t take it personally, as I largely became desensitised after having a dad who disowned me for it, and having to put up with a lot of crap in high school. It wasn’t as easy back then as it is for kids now. We all have our bad days. Well, at least I do. It’s strange, because generally speaking, I couldn’t give a toss what others think of me. I will definitely try to be quicker at hitting that block button in future. | |||
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"Hiya OP, it's completely understandable to feel weary when observing societal divisions and the erosion of kindness. We should try and focus on our own well-being and tuning out the negativity, I find this to be a remarkably healthy coping mechanism. Protect your inner peace by embracing your authentic self is often the best way to navigate a World that feels disconnected. Cheers. Most of the time, that’s exactly what I do. I was just having one of those days where everything was getting on top of me. I’ll do better in future to avoid negativity and embracing my authentic self more. It’s a learning curve. Have a lovely day x " U2 OP, my best wishes. 😘😘 | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this." Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. " it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest. | |||
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"They're in some kind of denial, and it gives them time to focus on their own insecurities, and whether they really are gay. In the case of bi men,it could simply be down to a warped view that "I can repress my gay feelings to the extent that I can have relationships with women - why can't other gender fluid men..?" I tend to agree. Research has consistently shown that bi men have higher rates on average of internalised homophobia than gays, lesbians and bisexual women do. The vast majority are also closeted. These combined, points to why a significant number appear to have the aforementioned problematic views. This isn’t to attack all bi men. Far from it. As I’ve stated multiple times already, most are decent and treat others well. I was merely to trying to understand the reasons behind the problematic contingent. | |||
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"Some people fear what they don't understand and unfortunately this can lead to lashing out, either physically or verbally. The only thing you can control is your reaction to it. Whatever their reasons or problems, they are exactly that, theirs. You are the only person that can be you, no one else can, so, as hard as it can be sometimes, you need to rise above it and remember the good in you and your life. All the best op, and I hope you find a way to ignore the knob heads in life." Cheers, mate. Appreciated. | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest." Ridiculous to say that they “ deny their own identity”. Anyones identity is whatever suits them best. Very clearly a lot of gay people are totally in denial of an obvious truth, that plenty of people, both men and women, while liking a bit of same sex play actually want a permanent straight relationship as the main part of their lives. The fact that a guy sucks a cock now and then doesn’t mean he is leading some angst and guilt ridden life of denial. | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest. Ridiculous to say that they “ deny their own identity”. Anyones identity is whatever suits them best. Very clearly a lot of gay people are totally in denial of an obvious truth, that plenty of people, both men and women, while liking a bit of same sex play actually want a permanent straight relationship as the main part of their lives. The fact that a guy sucks a cock now and then doesn’t mean he is leading some angst and guilt ridden life of denial. " They are denying their identity. Thats a fact, deal with it! You didn’t answer my question about devaluing same sex relationships. That, along with your previous comment, says a lot. I met your type before. I’ve read the data on the types of men being mentioned. Have you? Shall we discuss the levels of internalised homophobia and closeted levels compared to other groups? This clearly plays a role, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest. Ridiculous to say that they “ deny their own identity”. Anyones identity is whatever suits them best. Very clearly a lot of gay people are totally in denial of an obvious truth, that plenty of people, both men and women, while liking a bit of same sex play actually want a permanent straight relationship as the main part of their lives. The fact that a guy sucks a cock now and then doesn’t mean he is leading some angst and guilt ridden life of denial. They are denying their identity. Thats a fact, deal with it! You didn’t answer my question about devaluing same sex relationships. That, along with your previous comment, says a lot. I met your type before. I’ve read the data on the types of men being mentioned. Have you? Shall we discuss the levels of internalised homophobia and closeted levels compared to other groups? This clearly plays a role, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. " I’ve got no time for your nonsense. Have dirty little secrets all you want, and tell the world you’re straight, if that suits you. But don’t you ever try to devalue others for loving the same-sex. The same people who have to put up with the homophobia and biphobia that those who don’t involve themselves in same sex relationships, largely avoid. | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest. Ridiculous to say that they “ deny their own identity”. Anyones identity is whatever suits them best. Very clearly a lot of gay people are totally in denial of an obvious truth, that plenty of people, both men and women, while liking a bit of same sex play actually want a permanent straight relationship as the main part of their lives. The fact that a guy sucks a cock now and then doesn’t mean he is leading some angst and guilt ridden life of denial. They are denying their identity. Thats a fact, deal with it! You didn’t answer my question about devaluing same sex relationships. That, along with your previous comment, says a lot. I met your type before. I’ve read the data on the types of men being mentioned. Have you? Shall we discuss the levels of internalised homophobia and closeted levels compared to other groups? This clearly plays a role, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. I’ve got no time for your nonsense. Have dirty little secrets all you want, and tell the world you’re straight, if that suits you. But don’t you ever try to devalue others for loving the same-sex. The same people who have to put up with the homophobia and biphobia that those who don’t involve themselves in same sex relationships, largely avoid." It certainly says a lot when straight men have treated me with more decency than your subgroup has. Talk about being toxic! | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest. Ridiculous to say that they “ deny their own identity”. Anyones identity is whatever suits them best. Very clearly a lot of gay people are totally in denial of an obvious truth, that plenty of people, both men and women, while liking a bit of same sex play actually want a permanent straight relationship as the main part of their lives. The fact that a guy sucks a cock now and then doesn’t mean he is leading some angst and guilt ridden life of denial. They are denying their identity. Thats a fact, deal with it! You didn’t answer my question about devaluing same sex relationships. That, along with your previous comment, says a lot. I met your type before. I’ve read the data on the types of men being mentioned. Have you? Shall we discuss the levels of internalised homophobia and closeted levels compared to other groups? This clearly plays a role, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. " Their identity is their own business and nothing whatsoever to do with you. So, you’ve met my type before. I bet you have. The type who points out what utter opinionated nonsense you spout. Your reference to Internalised homophobia just shows your refusal to believe that their are people out there in the world who actually don’t live their lives as you feel they should. Clearly you lack the intellectual capacity to understand that vast numbers of people feel differently about their sexuality to how you do and you simply don’t want to accept it. | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest. Ridiculous to say that they “ deny their own identity”. Anyones identity is whatever suits them best. Very clearly a lot of gay people are totally in denial of an obvious truth, that plenty of people, both men and women, while liking a bit of same sex play actually want a permanent straight relationship as the main part of their lives. The fact that a guy sucks a cock now and then doesn’t mean he is leading some angst and guilt ridden life of denial. They are denying their identity. Thats a fact, deal with it! You didn’t answer my question about devaluing same sex relationships. That, along with your previous comment, says a lot. I met your type before. I’ve read the data on the types of men being mentioned. Have you? Shall we discuss the levels of internalised homophobia and closeted levels compared to other groups? This clearly plays a role, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. Their identity is their own business and nothing whatsoever to do with you. So, you’ve met my type before. I bet you have. The type who points out what utter opinionated nonsense you spout. Your reference to Internalised homophobia just shows your refusal to believe that their are people out there in the world who actually don’t live their lives as you feel they should. Clearly you lack the intellectual capacity to understand that vast numbers of people feel differently about their sexuality to how you do and you simply don’t want to accept it. " What a pathetic comeback I almost feel sorry for you, Not at all. You won’t even discuss the figures or internalised homophobia, which almost everyone agrees plays a large role. It’s a mainstream view! You are just making excuses for being a closeted homophobe. There, I said it. | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest. Ridiculous to say that they “ deny their own identity”. Anyones identity is whatever suits them best. Very clearly a lot of gay people are totally in denial of an obvious truth, that plenty of people, both men and women, while liking a bit of same sex play actually want a permanent straight relationship as the main part of their lives. The fact that a guy sucks a cock now and then doesn’t mean he is leading some angst and guilt ridden life of denial. They are denying their identity. Thats a fact, deal with it! You didn’t answer my question about devaluing same sex relationships. That, along with your previous comment, says a lot. I met your type before. I’ve read the data on the types of men being mentioned. Have you? Shall we discuss the levels of internalised homophobia and closeted levels compared to other groups? This clearly plays a role, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. Their identity is their own business and nothing whatsoever to do with you. So, you’ve met my type before. I bet you have. The type who points out what utter opinionated nonsense you spout. Your reference to Internalised homophobia just shows your refusal to believe that their are people out there in the world who actually don’t live their lives as you feel they should. Clearly you lack the intellectual capacity to understand that vast numbers of people feel differently about their sexuality to how you do and you simply don’t want to accept it. What a pathetic comeback I almost feel sorry for you, Not at all. You won’t even discuss the figures or internalised homophobia, which almost everyone agrees plays a large role. It’s a mainstream view! You are just making excuses for being a closeted homophobe. There, I said it." To be clear, I am not attacking all closeted people. Merely the problematic homophobic ones who cause more issues than straight men do these days! | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest. Ridiculous to say that they “ deny their own identity”. Anyones identity is whatever suits them best. Very clearly a lot of gay people are totally in denial of an obvious truth, that plenty of people, both men and women, while liking a bit of same sex play actually want a permanent straight relationship as the main part of their lives. The fact that a guy sucks a cock now and then doesn’t mean he is leading some angst and guilt ridden life of denial. They are denying their identity. Thats a fact, deal with it! You didn’t answer my question about devaluing same sex relationships. That, along with your previous comment, says a lot. I met your type before. I’ve read the data on the types of men being mentioned. Have you? Shall we discuss the levels of internalised homophobia and closeted levels compared to other groups? This clearly plays a role, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. Their identity is their own business and nothing whatsoever to do with you. So, you’ve met my type before. I bet you have. The type who points out what utter opinionated nonsense you spout. Your reference to Internalised homophobia just shows your refusal to believe that their are people out there in the world who actually don’t live their lives as you feel they should. Clearly you lack the intellectual capacity to understand that vast numbers of people feel differently about their sexuality to how you do and you simply don’t want to accept it. What a pathetic comeback I almost feel sorry for you, Not at all. You won’t even discuss the figures or internalised homophobia, which almost everyone agrees plays a large role. It’s a mainstream view! You are just making excuses for being a closeted homophobe. There, I said it." Nobody cares what you think. You simply can’t accept that loads of people choose to live their lives differently to you. It’s pointless discussing made up figures claiming “internalised homophobia” just because you refuse to believe that people can happily dip in and out of different types of sex with different people without being “in denial” somewhere along the road. Try to get it. - Not everyone feels the same about the subject as you do. | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest. Ridiculous to say that they “ deny their own identity”. Anyones identity is whatever suits them best. Very clearly a lot of gay people are totally in denial of an obvious truth, that plenty of people, both men and women, while liking a bit of same sex play actually want a permanent straight relationship as the main part of their lives. The fact that a guy sucks a cock now and then doesn’t mean he is leading some angst and guilt ridden life of denial. They are denying their identity. Thats a fact, deal with it! You didn’t answer my question about devaluing same sex relationships. That, along with your previous comment, says a lot. I met your type before. I’ve read the data on the types of men being mentioned. Have you? Shall we discuss the levels of internalised homophobia and closeted levels compared to other groups? This clearly plays a role, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. Their identity is their own business and nothing whatsoever to do with you. So, you’ve met my type before. I bet you have. The type who points out what utter opinionated nonsense you spout. Your reference to Internalised homophobia just shows your refusal to believe that their are people out there in the world who actually don’t live their lives as you feel they should. Clearly you lack the intellectual capacity to understand that vast numbers of people feel differently about their sexuality to how you do and you simply don’t want to accept it. What a pathetic comeback I almost feel sorry for you, Not at all. You won’t even discuss the figures or internalised homophobia, which almost everyone agrees plays a large role. It’s a mainstream view! You are just making excuses for being a closeted homophobe. There, I said it. Nobody cares what you think. You simply can’t accept that loads of people choose to live their lives differently to you. It’s pointless discussing made up figures claiming “internalised homophobia” just because you refuse to believe that people can happily dip in and out of different types of sex with different people without being “in denial” somewhere along the road. Try to get it. - Not everyone feels the same about the subject as you do. " Nobody cares what you think either. Nowhere have I denied that bisexuals can date the opposite sex without internalised homophobia. Many do. The point I was focusing on, which clearly flew over your head, is that many refuse to date the same sex due to the internalised homophobia. This is a well established fact. I know a lot of bisexuals who will agree with me in this. Especially those who have been in a same sex relationship. | |||
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"It's very clear on here that many men can't accept that they're bisexual, they'll make every excuse in the book + a few other. Straight men don't have any issues with gay men, only repressed gay/ bisexual men do - so you're existing in a space that is full of guys that are likely to 'attack' you in some firm or other. At the very first instance of anything you feel uncomfortable with, block and move on. K. I think you have raised a good point regarding how some bi men compartmentalise things. I have spoken to some in the past who don’t see themselves as bi, merely because they refuse to date men, yet have sex with them. It’s sad to see this. Why is it “sad to see this” ? Surely if that’s how they feel then that’s how it is. Very clear that a lot of guys have a problem with people who want nothing more than a meet, play, go situation. it’s because they are bisexual, by the very definition of the word. They admit to having a sexual attraction to both men and women. What else would you call that? These people are free to do what they want. I just find it sad that they deny their own identity. Do you also devalue same sex relationships? I note you have nothing to say about the main point of the post. Go on, be honest. Ridiculous to say that they “ deny their own identity”. Anyones identity is whatever suits them best. Very clearly a lot of gay people are totally in denial of an obvious truth, that plenty of people, both men and women, while liking a bit of same sex play actually want a permanent straight relationship as the main part of their lives. The fact that a guy sucks a cock now and then doesn’t mean he is leading some angst and guilt ridden life of denial. They are denying their identity. Thats a fact, deal with it! You didn’t answer my question about devaluing same sex relationships. That, along with your previous comment, says a lot. I met your type before. I’ve read the data on the types of men being mentioned. Have you? Shall we discuss the levels of internalised homophobia and closeted levels compared to other groups? This clearly plays a role, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. Their identity is their own business and nothing whatsoever to do with you. So, you’ve met my type before. I bet you have. The type who points out what utter opinionated nonsense you spout. Your reference to Internalised homophobia just shows your refusal to believe that their are people out there in the world who actually don’t live their lives as you feel they should. Clearly you lack the intellectual capacity to understand that vast numbers of people feel differently about their sexuality to how you do and you simply don’t want to accept it. What a pathetic comeback I almost feel sorry for you, Not at all. You won’t even discuss the figures or internalised homophobia, which almost everyone agrees plays a large role. It’s a mainstream view! You are just making excuses for being a closeted homophobe. There, I said it. Nobody cares what you think. You simply can’t accept that loads of people choose to live their lives differently to you. It’s pointless discussing made up figures claiming “internalised homophobia” just because you refuse to believe that people can happily dip in and out of different types of sex with different people without being “in denial” somewhere along the road. Try to get it. - Not everyone feels the same about the subject as you do. Nobody cares what you think either. Nowhere have I denied that bisexuals can date the opposite sex without internalised homophobia. Many do. The point I was focusing on, which clearly flew over your head, is that many refuse to date the same sex due to the internalised homophobia. This is a well established fact. I know a lot of bisexuals who will agree with me in this. Especially those who have been in a same sex relationship." It’s not pointless at all discussing the figures. You simply don’t want to do it for obvious reasons. I can see that you are older. Society has changed, and same sex relationships are largely accepted these days in the UK. I don’t know if you got the memo, it’s different now from when you were you young. The only difference is that you didn’t change with the times and are stuck in your old ways. | |||
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