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"But I was discussing this with someone recently and interested to get people's thoughts. What you think is worse, premeditated or opportunity murder?" Joe… I know it’s hot but murder isn’t the answer! 😂😂 | |||
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"But I was discussing this with someone recently and interested to get people's thoughts. What you think is worse, premeditated or opportunity murder? Joe… I know it’s hot but murder isn’t the answer! 😂😂" 🤣🤣🤣 I did try to phrase the question in a normal way, but think I did the opposite 🫣 | |||
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"What did you think was worse Joe? " I went with premeditated, mainly because of the reasons above. It's more planned and calculated and their are opportunities to change their mind through the process. The person I was speaking to said opportunity due to the fact it felt more cold blooded with no motive. Someone was essentially murdered for being just there. I understand this, but I still think the former is worse. | |||
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"Doesn’t “opportunity “ sound as though you still have the urge to murder someone , just nobody specific " This lol Courts look at the reasoning behind murders To me someone just killing someone because the opportunity has arisen seems pretty bad But premadated is wank also but there may be reasons, I dont believe in revenge but sure there been cases were its kinda understandable!! Doest France have a law were you get away with murder if your partner had cheating!? | |||
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"Joe, I need something clearing up please. What do you mean by opportunity? Reading some answers , it seems, that some see opportunity as 'incidental' or 'by chance' whearas I see opportunity as meaning , a window or situation that provides you with the chance of achieving something you'd always wanted' Which is , sort of , premeditated .. e.g 'She had always wanted to fuck him and did so as soon as the opportunity came along' " ⬆️ This | |||
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"Joe, I need something clearing up please. What do you mean by opportunity? Reading some answers , it seems, that some see opportunity as 'incidental' or 'by chance' whearas I see opportunity as meaning , a window or situation that provides you with the chance of achieving something you'd always wanted' Which is , sort of , premeditated .. e.g 'She had always wanted to fuck him and did so as soon as the opportunity came along' " So I'd wondered this as well. But I think "opportunity" comes more in the form of an impulse decision such as murdering someone in an argument or a witness while a crime is taking place. | |||
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"Joe, I need something clearing up please. What do you mean by opportunity? Reading some answers , it seems, that some see opportunity as 'incidental' or 'by chance' whearas I see opportunity as meaning , a window or situation that provides you with the chance of achieving something you'd always wanted' Which is , sort of , premeditated .. e.g 'She had always wanted to fuck him and did so as soon as the opportunity came along' So I'd wondered this as well. But I think "opportunity" comes more in the form of an impulse decision such as murdering someone in an argument or a witness while a crime is taking place." without prior intention ? That would make the planned murder worse... or would it? The result is precisely the same | |||
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"What if I'd always wanted to kill someone in particular. 1. I sit and plan it for months and then carry it out. 2. I find myself alone with them by accident and take that opportunity to kill them , although I hadn't planned how I'd do it Which one is worse......? " The one where you spent months planning it out is definitely worse | |||
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"What if I'd always wanted to kill someone in particular. 1. I sit and plan it for months and then carry it out. 2. I find myself alone with them by accident and take that opportunity to kill them , although I hadn't planned how I'd do it Which one is worse......? The one where you spent months planning it out is definitely worse " I’d say equal, you just got your present early | |||
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"I want a leg of lamb.... I plan all week how im going to rob one from Tesco on Sunday morning. OR I go into Tesco on Sunday and think fuck it , i'm having that. and I rob it in the spur of the moment. Would it make any difference to the crime or the punishment ? " Yes. One is more devient than the other. Planning out a crime is worse than just chancing your luck | |||
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"What if I'd always wanted to kill someone in particular. 1. I sit and plan it for months and then carry it out. 2. I find myself alone with them by accident and take that opportunity to kill them , although I hadn't planned how I'd do it Which one is worse......? The one where you spent months planning it out is definitely worse " So! Perky Pumpkin says , ' Granny, don't eat the cakes, I need all 12 for people coming round' But I eat three of them. I'd planned to eat them when you bought them OR I ate them at the last minute cos they looked so good. Either way you are three cakes down. The result is the same | |||
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"I want a leg of lamb.... I plan all week how im going to rob one from Tesco on Sunday morning. OR I go into Tesco on Sunday and think fuck it , i'm having that. and I rob it in the spur of the moment. Would it make any difference to the crime or the punishment ? Yes. One is more devient than the other. Planning out a crime is worse than just chancing your luck " So for the first leg of lamb I get three months and for the second leg of lamb one month ? Cos we punish the deviancy and not the cost of the crime ? | |||
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"Premeditated. That was easy, what's the next Friday night musing of a young stud?" Ok Ms Smarty Pants! Which of the two do you think is more dangerous or poses a greater risk? | |||
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"An opportunistic killing to me is when there's been no pre-planning at all. The perpetrator hasn't been carrying a weapon or threatening the victim beforehand. " I think that's why the other person seemed to think this was worse. Perhaps the lack of predictability about that type of murder. | |||
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"What if I'd always wanted to kill someone in particular. 1. I sit and plan it for months and then carry it out. 2. I find myself alone with them by accident and take that opportunity to kill them , although I hadn't planned how I'd do it Which one is worse......? The one where you spent months planning it out is definitely worse So! Perky Pumpkin says , ' Granny, don't eat the cakes, I need all 12 for people coming round' But I eat three of them. I'd planned to eat them when you bought them OR I ate them at the last minute cos they looked so good. Either way you are three cakes down. The result is the same " If you instantly decided that you were going to eat my cakes after I told you not too, That is worse than if at the last second you cracked and just waffled them down like some cake crazed maniac. It's not about the end result and more about the decisions behind it. Manslaughter and murder end in the same way... The decisions behind it make all the difference | |||
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"I want a leg of lamb.... I plan all week how im going to rob one from Tesco on Sunday morning. OR I go into Tesco on Sunday and think fuck it , i'm having that. and I rob it in the spur of the moment. Would it make any difference to the crime or the punishment ? " The crime is exactly the same the difference in severity of punishment would be any mitigation I.e. serial thief or family In poverty | |||
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"An opportunistic killing to me is when there's been no pre-planning at all. The perpetrator hasn't been carrying a weapon or threatening the victim beforehand. " It's the word opportunistic that doesn't sit right with me. Accidental , yes. Opportunistic means you wanted to and when it was possible, you did. | |||
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"I want a leg of lamb.... I plan all week how im going to rob one from Tesco on Sunday morning. OR I go into Tesco on Sunday and think fuck it , i'm having that. and I rob it in the spur of the moment. Would it make any difference to the crime or the punishment ? The crime is exactly the same the difference in severity of punishment would be any mitigation I.e. serial thief or family In poverty " But it's meat , not cornflakes. | |||
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"An opportunistic killing to me is when there's been no pre-planning at all. The perpetrator hasn't been carrying a weapon or threatening the victim beforehand. It's the word opportunistic that doesn't sit right with me. Accidental , yes. Opportunistic means you wanted to and when it was possible, you did." Accidental would be manslaughter. But I get your point, how about premeditated v. spontaneous? | |||
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"An opportunistic killing to me is when there's been no pre-planning at all. The perpetrator hasn't been carrying a weapon or threatening the victim beforehand. It's the word opportunistic that doesn't sit right with me. Accidental , yes. Opportunistic means you wanted to and when it was possible, you did." That's understandable, I think it's just the umbrella term for those spur of the moment murders where it wasn't defined by a set window and it's not always accidental. | |||
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"An opportunistic killing to me is when there's been no pre-planning at all. The perpetrator hasn't been carrying a weapon or threatening the victim beforehand. It's the word opportunistic that doesn't sit right with me. Accidental , yes. Opportunistic means you wanted to and when it was possible, you did. Accidental would be manslaughter. But I get your point, how about premeditated v. spontaneous? " Makes all the difference calling it spontaneous instead of opportunity | |||
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"An opportunistic killing to me is when there's been no pre-planning at all. The perpetrator hasn't been carrying a weapon or threatening the victim beforehand. It's the word opportunistic that doesn't sit right with me. Accidental , yes. Opportunistic means you wanted to and when it was possible, you did." I think it's just a term they use to describe a murder that hasn't fully been planned out. Sure the perpetrator could have been waiting for the perfect opportunity to come along so they can commit the crime, but there was no, "on tuesday I'm going to murder such and such at 8pm in their home, using a knife". The opportunity to do that was handed to them immediately before it happened. Accidental murder is something entirely different and carries a different sentence. | |||
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"I want a leg of lamb.... I plan all week how im going to rob one from Tesco on Sunday morning. OR I go into Tesco on Sunday and think fuck it , i'm having that. and I rob it in the spur of the moment. Would it make any difference to the crime or the punishment ? The crime is exactly the same the difference in severity of punishment would be any mitigation I.e. serial thief or family In poverty But it's meat , not cornflakes." 😂 contempt of court Granny | |||
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