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"Although I'm a West Ham fan, I've never been really sold on Mr Sullivans notoriety. Recent claims of sexual harassment against him seem a bit wierd after so long. Probably the early investigations were squashed by the law at the time. Now times have changed and his past may be catching up on him. Some would say the women should have known better than to get involved but then they were exploiting his organisation to gain fame n fortune. A case of you scratch my back or clear sexual harassment. Finding it hard to side with either party." That shows no understanding of how sexual abuse happens. It puts some blame on the victim, a very male view. Grim. Victims of abuse should be listened to and supported. Sullivan had all the power and it was an open secret for decades what he was like | |||
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"Although I'm a West Ham fan, I've never been really sold on Mr Sullivans notoriety. Recent claims of sexual harassment against him seem a bit wierd after so long. Probably the early investigations were squashed by the law at the time. Now times have changed and his past may be catching up on him. Some would say the women should have known better than to get involved but then they were exploiting his organisation to gain fame n fortune. A case of you scratch my back or clear sexual harassment. Finding it hard to side with either party. That shows no understanding of how sexual abuse happens. It puts some blame on the victim, a very male view. Grim. Victims of abuse should be listened to and supported. Sullivan had all the power and it was an open secret for decades what he was like" I'm more cynical than male empathy. I know of several cases where female manipulation can be overlooked and a the so called perpetrator gets all the blame. If the the females claiming abuse are genuine, fair enough. If however they were out to exploit the situation and manipulate it for their own gain then whose to blame? The truth should prevail not for the sake of a cause because genuine victims won't be believed. PC gone wrong? | |||
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"Although I'm a West Ham fan, I've never been really sold on Mr Sullivans notoriety. Recent claims of sexual harassment against him seem a bit wierd after so long. Probably the early investigations were squashed by the law at the time. Now times have changed and his past may be catching up on him. Some would say the women should have known better than to get involved but then they were exploiting his organisation to gain fame n fortune. A case of you scratch my back or clear sexual harassment. Finding it hard to side with either party. That shows no understanding of how sexual abuse happens. It puts some blame on the victim, a very male view. Grim. Victims of abuse should be listened to and supported. Sullivan had all the power and it was an open secret for decades what he was like I'm more cynical than male empathy. I know of several cases where female manipulation can be overlooked and a the so called perpetrator gets all the blame. If the the females claiming abuse are genuine, fair enough. If however they were out to exploit the situation and manipulate it for their own gain then whose to blame? The truth should prevail not for the sake of a cause because genuine victims won't be believed. PC gone wrong? " Statistically, there are far more examples of women being abused by predators than women falsely accusing others. It’s a red herring in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary (not specifically this case, I’m talking in general). When a woman speaks up, I believe her. Mrs TMN | |||
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"Finding it hard to side with either party." Powerful male figure who dominated and controlled an industry with huge wealth using that to his advantage to prey on younger, vulnerable women? Hardly a new or unique situation is it? With lots of examples of how that dynamic played out in the past with others. Of course there will be a few who will victim shame, and blame the girls involved, along with “fake claims” brigade. Statistically, the number of fake allegations, that is where allegations have been proven to be false, are very, very low. | |||
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"It begs the question why would women go into an industry where they are more likely to be open to abuse. It's a bad world out there why should people expect the porn industry be any different. The casting couch has been awell known hurdle for zonks, are women that naive to think it didn't exist. Surely you'd check out the organisation and it's proprietor first before even remotely getting involved like any job." Blame the women, yeah that’s right. | |||
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"Although I'm a West Ham fan, I've never been really sold on Mr Sullivans notoriety. Recent claims of sexual harassment against him seem a bit wierd after so long. Probably the early investigations were squashed by the law at the time. Now times have changed and his past may be catching up on him. Some would say the women should have known better than to get involved but then they were exploiting his organisation to gain fame n fortune. A case of you scratch my back or clear sexual harassment. Finding it hard to side with either party. That shows no understanding of how sexual abuse happens. It puts some blame on the victim, a very male view. Grim. Victims of abuse should be listened to and supported. Sullivan had all the power and it was an open secret for decades what he was like I'm more cynical than male empathy. I know of several cases where female manipulation can be overlooked and a the so called perpetrator gets all the blame. If the the females claiming abuse are genuine, fair enough. If however they were out to exploit the situation and manipulate it for their own gain then whose to blame? The truth should prevail not for the sake of a cause because genuine victims won't be believed. PC gone wrong? Statistically, there are far more examples of women being abused by predators than women falsely accusing others. It’s a red herring in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary (not specifically this case, I’m talking in general). When a woman speaks up, I believe her. Mrs TMN" Spot on. For every one person - men and women- who manipulates things (usually for compensation) there are thousands of real victims | |||
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"I actually feel this is incredibly lazy journalism. On Monday you have Malcolm Phillips who gets an absolute discharge for horrendous abuse (physical, mental and sexual) at a child’s home and it doesn’t even make the front page yet at the same time a serial 1980s sex entrepreneur has adult models making allegations and it gets prime time television. Sullivan is click bait. Phillips is the real story but it will never be told." I see where you're coming from but I don't think DS has chucked West Ham just because a few women said he wanted noshing off in return for a job 20+ years ago. | |||
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"As a WHU fan I am glad that this is finally out there. It has been known for years that he was a dodgy seedy old man. Perhaps now the club can move in a direction more suited to its tradition and loyal following rather than being used as a toy for this billionaire scoundrel. I think that the evidence shown on Panorama is, at best vague and certainly historic. If there was any actual evidence then this could have and should have been dealt with years ago. My best guess is that nothing will come of the accusations, true or otherwise and Sullivan will use his financial wealth to demand an apology and likely get a court to uphold his claim of libel and add to his coffers. The women may have been nieve and in search of fame, but what he is alleged to have done is wrong, if unsurprising. I'm sure that there are numerous other women with similar claims against Sullivan and others like him. It will rumble on until it runs out of steam. For us fans of The Irons, Sullivan's exposure has rid the club of a foolish tyrant and we can hope, expect even, a brighter future." The story was subject to an anonymity order, paid for by DS. That was challenged and quashed about a month ago, hence the story coming out now. I don't think he's going to be getting libel for this. | |||
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"Him , Brady and Gold bros were in charge at Bham City before selling up and moving over to home team WHU. " Sold us to a bunch of crooks. The new chairman (Yeung) was in prison a few years later for money laundering. His side-kick was a disgraced former Hong Kong top cop, who was found to be 'in bed' with triad gangs. He won't give a stuff who who's leaving his shares in West Ham to. | |||
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"Rich powerful people abusing their position to get what they want, hmmmm doesn't seem possible
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"As a WHU fan I am glad that this is finally out there. It has been known for years that he was a dodgy seedy old man. Perhaps now the club can move in a direction more suited to its tradition and loyal following rather than being used as a toy for this billionaire scoundrel. I think that the evidence shown on Panorama is, at best vague and certainly historic. If there was any actual evidence then this could have and should have been dealt with years ago. My best guess is that nothing will come of the accusations, true or otherwise and Sullivan will use his financial wealth to demand an apology and likely get a court to uphold his claim of libel and add to his coffers. The women may have been nieve and in search of fame, but what he is alleged to have done is wrong, if unsurprising. I'm sure that there are numerous other women with similar claims against Sullivan and others like him. It will rumble on until it runs out of steam. For us fans of The Irons, Sullivan's exposure has rid the club of a foolish tyrant and we can hope, expect even, a brighter future." You are missing a massive point. Panorama had to restrain themselves due to the watershed. Mainstream press, world renowned papers like The Times have an enormous amounts of alleged evidence that is still to be made public. Its a massive disgusting scandal. Essex Police clearly corrupt aswell. Their investigations should be reviewed by independant assessors. Rumble on? I dont think so. Snowball momentum....deffo. | |||
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"As a WHU fan I am glad that this is finally out there. It has been known for years that he was a dodgy seedy old man. Perhaps now the club can move in a direction more suited to its tradition and loyal following rather than being used as a toy for this billionaire scoundrel. I think that the evidence shown on Panorama is, at best vague and certainly historic. If there was any actual evidence then this could have and should have been dealt with years ago. My best guess is that nothing will come of the accusations, true or otherwise and Sullivan will use his financial wealth to demand an apology and likely get a court to uphold his claim of libel and add to his coffers. The women may have been nieve and in search of fame, but what he is alleged to have done is wrong, if unsurprising. I'm sure that there are numerous other women with similar claims against Sullivan and others like him. It will rumble on until it runs out of steam. For us fans of The Irons, Sullivan's exposure has rid the club of a foolish tyrant and we can hope, expect even, a brighter future. You are missing a massive point. Panorama had to restrain themselves due to the watershed. Mainstream press, world renowned papers like The Times have an enormous amounts of alleged evidence that is still to be made public. Its a massive disgusting scandal. Essex Police clearly corrupt aswell. Their investigations should be reviewed by independant assessors. Rumble on? I dont think so. Snowball momentum....deffo." You clearly have inside information.... There have been consistent rumours around The London Stadium and The Boleyn Ground for many years now, there is clearly more to it but it is likely to end with a fizz rather than a bang. Sullivan has become the Jimmy Saville of football and has 'friends' as well as enormous financial clout. Essex police may be inept or simply unable to pursue based on the limited evidence available. Sure, the program was aired before the watershed, it was not going to bring out all the detail of the allegations but if there were details that were more explicit then the program could have been broadcast later. The simple facts, as we know them currently, are that the allegations are historic, unpleasant and have only the substance of verbal accusation. We can only await the next episode. | |||
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