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"Exactly....if any men ever question why we choose the bear this tells you everything you need to know about the world your sisters and daughters are trying to navigate 😘 " Agreed. But rubbish that we have to try to show our value as human beings by relating ourselves to someone’s sister, daughter, mother… | |||
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"Oh look, yet another man hating post, what a fucking surprise. You know what? Go live with a bear, see how long you last before it tears you apart. And as for inline hate groups, every single feminist subbon reddit, every feminist blog, every feminist media is a cesspit of hate and bike. When you start complaining about thise, the damage they cause society, and challenge womens attitudes here, THEN you may have a valid opinion. Until then, take your misandry, and shivw it!" An easy block | |||
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" Wtf .. was that all about "Fast defence of those sharing the assault of their partners and those enjoying watching it. | |||
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"Oh look, yet another man hating post, what a fucking surprise. You know what? Go live with a bear, see how long you last before it tears you apart. And as for inline hate groups, every single feminist subbon reddit, every feminist blog, every feminist media is a cesspit of hate and bike. When you start complaining about thise, the damage they cause society, and challenge womens attitudes here, THEN you may have a valid opinion. Until then, take your misandry, and shivw it! An easy block" . Yep he was already on mine anyway. | |||
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"Oh look, yet another man hating post, what a fucking surprise. You know what? Go live with a bear, see how long you last before it tears you apart. And as for inline hate groups, every single feminist subbon reddit, every feminist blog, every feminist media is a cesspit of hate and bike. When you start complaining about thise, the damage they cause society, and challenge womens attitudes here, THEN you may have a valid opinion. Until then, take your misandry, and shivw it!" Seriously???😳 | |||
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"Oh look, yet another man hating post, what a fucking surprise. You know what? Go live with a bear, see how long you last before it tears you apart. And as for inline hate groups, every single feminist subbon reddit, every feminist blog, every feminist media is a cesspit of hate and bike. When you start complaining about thise, the damage they cause society, and challenge womens attitudes here, THEN you may have a valid opinion. Until then, take your misandry, and shivw it!" the wtf was was directed you by the fucking bell end | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr " It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 | |||
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"Oh look, yet another man hating post, what a fucking surprise. An easy block" I do wonder about the culture of sites, communities and how being surrounded by 'like minded' will give more confidence as actions and conversations step outside moral standards | |||
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"Can someone explain exactly what this is about, and if it’s a documentary, what it is called, I’d be interested to watch " Cnn found a site which is essentially a r**e academy. Where men go to get ideas on drugging their partners so they can have sex and film them etc. 62 million men have accessed it, in February I think. | |||
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"Can someone explain exactly what this is about, and if it’s a documentary, what it is called, I’d be interested to watch " We cant give details without a ban, the OP has done the best she can to signpost it for you xx | |||
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"Oh look, yet another man hating post, what a fucking surprise. You know what? Go live with a bear, see how long you last before it tears you apart. And as for inline hate groups, every single feminist subbon reddit, every feminist blog, every feminist media is a cesspit of hate and bike. When you start complaining about thise, the damage they cause society, and challenge womens attitudes here, THEN you may have a valid opinion. Until then, take your misandry, and shivw it! the wtf was was directed you by the fucking bell end " my reply was directed to you .. yes you...nobody else ... but you | |||
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"Can someone explain exactly what this is about, and if it’s a documentary, what it is called, I’d be interested to watch We cant give details without a ban, the OP has done the best she can to signpost it for you xx" Why would they get a ban??? | |||
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"Why is "not all men" still such a trigger and how is it OK to tear into people for saying it? If a young Muslim man reassured you that he wasn't a terrorist, would you bite his head off and say "ITS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!!!"? Would you tell him that he had a duty to make sure other Muslim men were overall less terroristy? Would your comeback to a young black man who told you that not all black men were muggers be "but enough black men are"?" Because it’s not all men, but it is all women. Safety cannot be assumed. | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒" No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr | |||
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"I read about this yesterday and to be honest, it's hard not to feel a bit helpless in what to do as a man in reaction to this situation, let alone how it must feel to be a woman reading it. This isn't random men, it's the partners of women they thought could be trusted in a very deliberate scheme to take advantage of them and it's fucking gross to see how many men took part." Its difficult to react or even discuss - as we see here ^^ But everyone should be talking about it. Especially as most attacks are carried out by someone the girl or woman knows. | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr " Falling asleep next to their spouse wasn’t “piss poor decision making”. But women should be allowed to make bad decisions without fear of being assaulted. Just like men | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr " Have you read what happened to these women? For 20mins, become a regular sheep like the rest of us and read the article and let us know how those women could've taken responsibility for their own actions 🙄 | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr " When it comes to the whole "bear" thing, I agree with this. I can't fucking stand the hypothetical situation when it's used to talk about something serious. Even the metaphorical nature of it is stupid. As for the article, when it comes to numbers and statistics the 62 million men thing won't be even close to that number. A lot of those will be the same men revisiting multiple times, often through vpn, some will be there out of morbid curiosity, some will even be women taking a look. Is it going to be a lot of men making use of this regardless? Yes, and that is horrific. But more often than not news articles won't be giving you accurate numbers for this kind of thing. I think you would all be just as shocked to find out that women (maybe not in the same numbers) will be doing these same things to men and other women too. | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr When it comes to the whole "bear" thing, I agree with this. I can't fucking stand the hypothetical situation when it's used to talk about something serious. Even the metaphorical nature of it is stupid. As for the article, when it comes to numbers and statistics the 62 million men thing won't be even close to that number. A lot of those will be the same men revisiting multiple times, often through vpn, some will be there out of morbid curiosity, some will even be women taking a look. Is it going to be a lot of men making use of this regardless? Yes, and that is horrific. But more often than not news articles won't be giving you accurate numbers for this kind of thing. I think you would all be just as shocked to find out that women (maybe not in the same numbers) will be doing these same things to men and other women too." I think there is a general understanding that the numbers reported are "visits" not individuals...but that is within a month so still very high I dont understand your second poimt though, yes women do assault men, no one is denying that But I think you are suggesting the drugging of men by women for SA here? | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr " As a survivor of DA I can tell you that yes, I did make a piss poor decision to marry that cunt. But he became that cunt after we married. So how do I take responsibility for his decision to treat me the way he did? I did take the decision not to be a victim, and I have grown and thrived since I escaped. I do not blame all men. But I do blame him, and I blame his friends and family who must have seen what was happening and stood by and said nothing. I blame him for the impact it's had on my life since, and that despite many, many hours of therapy I still find it difficult to trust men and maintain relationships. I've never been abused or manipulated by any of the women in my life, so no, I fully recognise it's not all men, but it's nearly always men! We see these 'extreme' cases in the media (Gisele Pelicot and the similar German trial) and think they MUST be outliers right? That these people are just mentally ill and haven't received the help they need. But the more these stories come to light the more you start to think that there is something more to it. It needs men, and women, to stand up and talk about how these actions are so wrong. Not just amongst strangers, but amongst friend groups. Make it clear that these actions and even thoughts are not normal or acceptable, and what the consequences will be if they continue. The only way people learn and change is through education, and that's incumbent on EVERYONE in society. | |||
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"Oh look, yet another man hating post, what a fucking surprise. You know what? Go live with a bear, see how long you last before it tears you apart. And as for inline hate groups, every single feminist subbon reddit, every feminist blog, every feminist media is a cesspit of hate and bike. When you start complaining about thise, the damage they cause society, and challenge womens attitudes here, THEN you may have a valid opinion. Until then, take your misandry, and shivw it!" If you cant see the nuances of the man or bear question, and you get offended when horrific acts and attidudes towards women and girls are called out, you are either a childish insucure little boy, or you harbour some of those attitudes yourself. Fucking grow up. " But what about this?? What about that??" Shit. Not all men obviously. But a hell of a lot of men | |||
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"Oh look, yet another man hating post, what a fucking surprise. You know what? Go live with a bear, see how long you last before it tears you apart. And as for inline hate groups, every single feminist subbon reddit, every feminist blog, every feminist media is a cesspit of hate and bike. When you start complaining about thise, the damage they cause society, and challenge womens attitudes here, THEN you may have a valid opinion. Until then, take your misandry, and shivw it!" You seem nice. | |||
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"I'm actually shocked by the defensiveness of this. Who cares if 62 million site views is an accurate figure to determine the scope of this horrific, hideous thing. How can anyone be defending the actions of a huge amount of men in this instance? Why is the focus on 'BUT WHAT ABOUT ACCURATE FIGURES ON THE SITEVIEWS' and not on the impact of these women who have been assaulted by their closest, trusted partners." I agree, the deflection and defensive stances are fucking weird. Whether it people or views, the fact it has an audience is disturbing in and of itself. And the people fixated on the bear metaphor are really missing the mark on what the thread and article is about. Just take it on the chin that it's another example of men being shit. | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr As a survivor of DA I can tell you that yes, I did make a piss poor decision to marry that cunt. But he became that cunt after we married. So how do I take responsibility for his decision to treat me the way he did? I did take the decision not to be a victim, and I have grown and thrived since I escaped. I do not blame all men. But I do blame him, and I blame his friends and family who must have seen what was happening and stood by and said nothing. I blame him for the impact it's had on my life since, and that despite many, many hours of therapy I still find it difficult to trust men and maintain relationships. I've never been abused or manipulated by any of the women in my life, so no, I fully recognise it's not all men, but it's nearly always men! We see these 'extreme' cases in the media (Gisele Pelicot and the similar German trial) and think they MUST be outliers right? That these people are just mentally ill and haven't received the help they need. But the more these stories come to light the more you start to think that there is something more to it. It needs men, and women, to stand up and talk about how these actions are so wrong. Not just amongst strangers, but amongst friend groups. Make it clear that these actions and even thoughts are not normal or acceptable, and what the consequences will be if they continue. The only way people learn and change is through education, and that's incumbent on EVERYONE in society." Well written. I’m sorry you went through that. It absolutely is on everyone to discuss these articles and call anyone out on their shitty behaviours which may or may not escalate. Which was the intended purpose of my post ❤️ | |||
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"I can’t even with this today. The deflection, the defensiveness, the whataboutery. I’ll be back later to add to my block list but that’s it from me." Contrarianism for affectation does my nut. | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr When it comes to the whole "bear" thing, I agree with this. I can't fucking stand the hypothetical situation when it's used to talk about something serious. Even the metaphorical nature of it is stupid. As for the article, when it comes to numbers and statistics the 62 million men thing won't be even close to that number. A lot of those will be the same men revisiting multiple times, often through vpn, some will be there out of morbid curiosity, some will even be women taking a look. Is it going to be a lot of men making use of this regardless? Yes, and that is horrific. But more often than not news articles won't be giving you accurate numbers for this kind of thing. I think you would all be just as shocked to find out that women (maybe not in the same numbers) will be doing these same things to men and other women too. I think there is a general understanding that the numbers reported are "visits" not individuals...but that is within a month so still very high I dont understand your second poimt though, yes women do assault men, no one is denying that But I think you are suggesting the drugging of men by women for SA here?" My second point is that it will also be women visiting the site for the same reasons, not just men. So whether it is 62 million individual visits, repeats visits etc there will be without a doubt women among those numbers as visitors/users. The drugging on men and women, by men and women. Men drug both, women drug both. (though yes I am under no illusion that the number of men doing it will be much higher than women). | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr When it comes to the whole "bear" thing, I agree with this. I can't fucking stand the hypothetical situation when it's used to talk about something serious. Even the metaphorical nature of it is stupid. As for the article, when it comes to numbers and statistics the 62 million men thing won't be even close to that number. A lot of those will be the same men revisiting multiple times, often through vpn, some will be there out of morbid curiosity, some will even be women taking a look. Is it going to be a lot of men making use of this regardless? Yes, and that is horrific. But more often than not news articles won't be giving you accurate numbers for this kind of thing. I think you would all be just as shocked to find out that women (maybe not in the same numbers) will be doing these same things to men and other women too. I think there is a general understanding that the numbers reported are "visits" not individuals...but that is within a month so still very high I dont understand your second poimt though, yes women do assault men, no one is denying that But I think you are suggesting the drugging of men by women for SA here? My second point is that it will also be women visiting the site for the same reasons, not just men. So whether it is 62 million individual visits, repeats visits etc there will be without a doubt women among those numbers as visitors/users. The drugging on men and women, by men and women. Men drug both, women drug both. (though yes I am under no illusion that the number of men doing it will be much higher than women). " I’m glad you feel the need to point out that all humans can be shit, even though it’s usually men we better turn the focus off them and point out the minority instead of the majority. Perhaps as this site is mostly men, we should keep the focus there for the best impact no? No one said women can’t be shit - we know they can and no one will be shocked by that. But I am shocked by the website which is men assaulting their own partners or people they’ve been trusted to share a bed with and everyone (but mostly men) who are taking enjoyment or even tips from it | |||
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"Men who understand the point of women of saying all men and why they choose the bear, don't get upset by it. I get it, men don't call out the behaviour enough, and too many perpetrate the behaviour themselves, until as a whole us men stop this, and only we can, it is all men. When a man gets upset by it, sadly it's often a red flag to start with. I await the simp and various insults by threatened men who don't like that the world doesn't revolve around them anymore." 100% agree. Happy to be called a simp | |||
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"I'm actually shocked by the defensiveness of this. Who cares if 62 million site views is an accurate figure to determine the scope of this horrific, hideous thing. How can anyone be defending the actions of a huge amount of men in this instance? Why is the focus on 'BUT WHAT ABOUT ACCURATE FIGURES ON THE SITEVIEWS' and not on the impact of these women who have been assaulted by their closest, trusted partners." Because that's the way my brain works. It focuses on this shit and looking at a the wider picture from a different lens than everyone else. I wish I could say I'm sorry my little form of autism hurt your feelings. By focusing on a part of it you didn't want me to, and got you just as defensive as those you are calling out. But I'm really not. | |||
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"I'm actually shocked by the defensiveness of this. Who cares if 62 million site views is an accurate figure to determine the scope of this horrific, hideous thing. How can anyone be defending the actions of a huge amount of men in this instance? Why is the focus on 'BUT WHAT ABOUT ACCURATE FIGURES ON THE SITEVIEWS' and not on the impact of these women who have been assaulted by their closest, trusted partners." At the risk of being blocked by all, I thought if share how my brain works with this stuff. Caveat, I'm male (may or may not make a difference, adds context), I'm a bit neuro spicy, and ajob is dealing with risk and numbers. When I read these stories I get hugely saddened. It's horrific. One case is one case too many. Not that any situation is better or worse, but I can understand the added fear when it's a long term partner. I disagree hugely that people should be able to spot this or protect against this. This isn't a thread on dodgy profiles. To steal the oft used victim blaming analogy, these women haven't left the door open on a dodgy neighbourhood. They have locked and bolted. But as well as holding that huge shock and feeling for each victim, my mind does numbers. Especially when primed by the bear hypothetical. It's absolutely understandable to feel at risk. That's real and comes from an evolutionary powerful place. But part of me wants to understand how real that risk is. That is easier when I'm removed from the risk. I will admit, I spotted the hits versus people diffence. I can discuss the bear. I'm not going to. But I wanted to air that my brain workings isn't always defensiveness or whataboutary. Sometimes it's just brain wiring and lacking a bit of empathy of when to talk statistical analysis versus raw feelings. I do this with all numbers. And lose too many hours on Reddit arguing about the numbers put out by political parties and think tanks. But to go back to the locked door analogy. It didn't work because the thief was part of the family. If ones view is we should be able to that out, then you are constantly on the look out for bad faith actors. Even people you know for many years. That's fucking exhausting. I've been there but in different ways. There is a degree of arrogance if you think you can spot a bad actor. That's the bad toupee affect. Plus, these things (and sorry to use maths) are rare. As such it's almost impossible to tell if you have avoided being caught because you are smart or lucky. | |||
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"Men who understand the point of women of saying all men and why they choose the bear, don't get upset by it. I get it, men don't call out the behaviour enough, and too many perpetrate the behaviour themselves, until as a whole us men stop this, and only we can, it is all men. When a man gets upset by it, sadly it's often a red flag to start with. I await the simp and various insults by threatened men who don't like that the world doesn't revolve around them anymore." Not wanting to accept collective guilt based of the actions of a small minority of people who happen to share the same genetic characteristics is a Red Flag? | |||
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"Still choosing the bear…. Take a look at “CNN expose online network” and talk about it with the men in your lives. Assault survivors - this may include triggers. " Thank you for sharing this OP, I'm sure I will have a conversation with my (almost) adult children about this kind of thing. | |||
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"Can someone explain exactly what this is about, and if it’s a documentary, what it is called, I’d be interested to watch " It's a thing that keeps popping up. Destroying more bridges than building them in my opinion. But if I was in the woods and saw a woman and a fucking great big bear, I'd be more concerned about being able to run faster than her. Everyone for themselves. | |||
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"Oh look, yet another man hating post, what a fucking surprise. You know what? Go live with a bear, see how long you last before it tears you apart. And as for inline hate groups, every single feminist subbon reddit, every feminist blog, every feminist media is a cesspit of hate and bike. When you start complaining about thise, the damage they cause society, and challenge womens attitudes here, THEN you may have a valid opinion. Until then, take your misandry, and shivw it!" From someone who doesn't have social media or a phone 🤔 | |||
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"Also, for the supportive men on this thread, there is a movement called HeForShe, where you can be allies for gender equality. Also, 25th November each year is White Ribbon Day. Men can be Ambassadors, women can be allies as Champions. It's clear that domestic abuse is pervasive in society. The majority is committed by men, which is why these organisations have been created. Before anyone brings up that men can be victims too, yes, yes they are. However, men are more likely to use violence and SA against a female partner than vice versa. " I agree with all of this, but it’s also important to point out that the gap isn’t as large as people often think, official statistics tell us that 42% of victims are male (44% female perpetrators and 15% male - remainder not stated). The Mankind Inititative are a great source of information and support regarding male victims. | |||
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"Also, for the supportive men on this thread, there is a movement called HeForShe, where you can be allies for gender equality. Also, 25th November each year is White Ribbon Day. Men can be Ambassadors, women can be allies as Champions. It's clear that domestic abuse is pervasive in society. The majority is committed by men, which is why these organisations have been created. Before anyone brings up that men can be victims too, yes, yes they are. However, men are more likely to use violence and SA against a female partner than vice versa. I agree with all of this, but it’s also important to point out that the gap isn’t as large as people often think, official statistics tell us that 42% of victims are male (44% female perpetrators and 15% male - remainder not stated). The Mankind Inititative are a great source of information and support regarding male victims." Best to not talk about numbers 🤫🤐 | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr As a survivor of DA I can tell you that yes, I did make a piss poor decision to marry that cunt. But he became that cunt after we married. So how do I take responsibility for his decision to treat me the way he did? I did take the decision not to be a victim, and I have grown and thrived since I escaped. I do not blame all men. But I do blame him, and I blame his friends and family who must have seen what was happening and stood by and said nothing. I blame him for the impact it's had on my life since, and that despite many, many hours of therapy I still find it difficult to trust men and maintain relationships. I've never been abused or manipulated by any of the women in my life, so no, I fully recognise it's not all men, but it's nearly always men! We see these 'extreme' cases in the media (Gisele Pelicot and the similar German trial) and think they MUST be outliers right? That these people are just mentally ill and haven't received the help they need. But the more these stories come to light the more you start to think that there is something more to it. It needs men, and women, to stand up and talk about how these actions are so wrong. Not just amongst strangers, but amongst friend groups. Make it clear that these actions and even thoughts are not normal or acceptable, and what the consequences will be if they continue. The only way people learn and change is through education, and that's incumbent on EVERYONE in society." Thank you!!! Not every abuser walks around with ABUSER tatted on the foreheads, if so, they wouldn’t be so successful. It’s a process akin to gr00ming, where trust, reliance and isolation happens over time. Well done for leaving and insisting that you were going to thrive. It’s not an easy journey for us survivors C xxx | |||
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" Of course violence against Men exsits, but this story is about a specifc act against women being discussed online by a frankly horrifingly large group of men. By sharing awareness of one problem we are not saying no others exist. We are simply saying this is wrong. Its doesnt make this abuse less nauseating that other abuses also exist in the world 🤷♀️" I think this is a relevant point. Why are so many people so quick to be 'what about men that are abused? about women on men violence?' when discussing this specific issue that was raised by the OP. The OP (or any of us on this thread) should not have to confirm that we acknowledge that other abuse exists in the world and that it is also a problem for the specific issue of a r**e academy online teaching husbands how to drug and SA their wives to be relevant and/or for people to be horrified by it. This whataboutery is exhausting. | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr As a survivor of DA I can tell you that yes, I did make a piss poor decision to marry that cunt. But he became that cunt after we married. So how do I take responsibility for his decision to treat me the way he did? I did take the decision not to be a victim, and I have grown and thrived since I escaped. I do not blame all men. But I do blame him, and I blame his friends and family who must have seen what was happening and stood by and said nothing. I blame him for the impact it's had on my life since, and that despite many, many hours of therapy I still find it difficult to trust men and maintain relationships. I've never been abused or manipulated by any of the women in my life, so no, I fully recognise it's not all men, but it's nearly always men! We see these 'extreme' cases in the media (Gisele Pelicot and the similar German trial) and think they MUST be outliers right? That these people are just mentally ill and haven't received the help they need. But the more these stories come to light the more you start to think that there is something more to it. It needs men, and women, to stand up and talk about how these actions are so wrong. Not just amongst strangers, but amongst friend groups. Make it clear that these actions and even thoughts are not normal or acceptable, and what the consequences will be if they continue. The only way people learn and change is through education, and that's incumbent on EVERYONE in society." ❤️ | |||
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"The issue is a lot of men think I won’t assault someone it doesn’t apply to them. But it’s bigger than that, how many men on here alone hear no and attempt to push that boundary, see an age restriction and attempt to find a way around it (the posts on here asking that very same thing is proof). Just because you wouldn’t take that step further and assault someone. That is what I’m always left with. Most men will push a boundary. And that’s online when they’re behind a keyboard, what will they do in person. It may not be all men. But all women have a story to tell. Husband pushing for sex when you’ve said no, not in the mood. And that’s online suggests it’s a lot of men. Men see the final big assault, when women know the many many micro aggressions that lead to that. I’d choose the bear because all that’s going to do is eat me. Which is a biological need to survive. Men that get offended by campaigns designed to protect women, scare me. Because they're moving a lot like it’s gonna affect them. I’ve often held a belief that straight men are so concerned about being around gay men, because they think the gay men are gonna treat them, like they treat women " So much truth in this! And don’t even get me started on attitudes and boundary pushing around condom use… | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr Have you read what happened to these women? For 20mins, become a regular sheep like the rest of us and read the article and let us know how those women could've taken responsibility for their own actions 🙄" So what, bad shit happens, get used to it, I’m sure there’s people in the world who have been through worse. Yes I agree that it’s not a very nice thing to go through, but does it make me care, does it fuck. I’ve been through some pretty fucked up stuff, but you wouldn’t know because I don’t let it define me by going to media outlets for the sympathy vote. The mr | |||
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"The issue is a lot of men think I won’t assault someone it doesn’t apply to them. But it’s bigger than that, how many men on here alone hear no and attempt to push that boundary, see an age restriction and attempt to find a way around it (the posts on here asking that very same thing is proof). Just because you wouldn’t take that step further and assault someone. That is what I’m always left with. Most men will push a boundary. And that’s online when they’re behind a keyboard, what will they do in person. It may not be all men. But all women have a story to tell. Husband pushing for sex when you’ve said no, not in the mood. And that’s online suggests it’s a lot of men. Men see the final big assault, when women know the many many micro aggressions that lead to that. I’d choose the bear because all that’s going to do is eat me. Which is a biological need to survive. Men that get offended by campaigns designed to protect women, scare me. Because they're moving a lot like it’s gonna affect them. I’ve often held a belief that straight men are so concerned about being around gay men, because they think the gay men are gonna treat them, like they treat women " 💯 | |||
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"Can someone explain exactly what this is about, and if it’s a documentary, what it is called, I’d be interested to watch Cnn found a site which is essentially a r**e academy. Where men go to get ideas on drugging their partners so they can have sex and film them etc. 62 million men have accessed it, in February I think. " WTAF! Thats horrific!! | |||
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"Ill keep this brief.. 20 years ago on many occasions I woke to my then husband attempting to have sex with me, no consent I was asleep (and not the only time) 8 years ago my ex partner hit me. According to some of the comments on here I'm the one to blame for my shit choice in men and could have avoided it and i shouldn't be wary of new partners, these were men I had been in LTR with not random people, people I loved, lived with and trusted. The man after treated me amazingly and had to work damn hard to gain my trust. So no its not all men, just some men, and the fact that some people still victim blame makes me sick. " Hugs xx | |||
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"Ill keep this brief.. 20 years ago on many occasions I woke to my then husband attempting to have sex with me, no consent I was asleep (and not the only time) 8 years ago my ex partner hit me. According to some of the comments on here I'm the one to blame for my shit choice in men and could have avoided it and i shouldn't be wary of new partners, these were men I had been in LTR with not random people, people I loved, lived with and trusted. The man after treated me amazingly and had to work damn hard to gain my trust. So no its not all men, just some men, and the fact that some people still victim blame makes me sick. " ❤️ | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr Have you read what happened to these women? For 20mins, become a regular sheep like the rest of us and read the article and let us know how those women could've taken responsibility for their own actions 🙄 So what, bad shit happens, get used to it, I’m sure there’s people in the world who have been through worse. Yes I agree that it’s not a very nice thing to go through, but does it make me care, does it fuck. I’ve been through some pretty fucked up stuff, but you wouldn’t know because I don’t let it define me by going to media outlets for the sympathy vote. The mr You still haven't told me how they could've taken responsibility for their own actions in your original post? Unless you're suggesting that they should just deal with it because other people may have it worse. In which case, that's a fucking horrific thing to say even for you. They must of know it was happening, I’d certainly know something wasn’t right if I woke not remembering how I’d fallen asleep and had a sore arsehole and the only person in the house was my wife, I wouldn’t trust her around me. Yes they should “ just deal with it” how is that horrific? What else are you meant to do? Top themselves 🤷🏻♂️ The mr Actually yes, some of us came close to that as it being the only way to escape. Unless you have actually been in that position DO NOT DARE tell the person what they should and shouldn't do it is not that simple and easy. And thats me done with this thread " So going by that logic, you can’t tell people to go to the police, get therapy, seek help. You know deal with it. So what? You’re just meant to tell people “unlucky” and walk off. The mr | |||
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WTF. There's some twisted people in this world. 🤬"The world is getting crazier and crazier. It's horrific to read something like that, let alone experience it. I'm not getting involved in any of these discussions. So many people are triggered or defensive. I think the world is in a lot of pain. Hurt people hurt people. Our society is breaking down. There is no easy fix. There will be a lot of uncomfortable conversations. I'm out. | |||
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"I feel like I can speak to this as someone who very nearly fell down the manosphere pipeline. The thinking of men is that if I’m not part of the problem I’m part of the solution, you’re not, every time we allow other men to get away with misogyny we strengthen their position of how they should treat women. We will tell tales of women who have falsely accused men of SA, but nowhere do they mention the abysmal level of convictions for sexual violence, it’s so low it’s almost as if it’s been made legal. If men put the same energy into stating what vicious punishments should be handed out to those who harm children, into what we should do to those who harm women we could drastically reduce how many women are SA’d . And if you think only women would reap the benefits of a society where women feel safe, you’re wrong for a start you would have a lot less “why am I not getting any meets” posts, because let’s face it, you’re not inspiring confidence by ignoring women’s genuine concerns. " Thank you for disclosing that you were vulnerable to the manosphere rhetoric, If its not too personal what led you to it? And what ultimately held you back from committing? | |||
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"Oh look, yet another man hating post, what a fucking surprise. You know what? Go live with a bear, see how long you last before it tears you apart. And as for inline hate groups, every single feminist subbon reddit, every feminist blog, every feminist media is a cesspit of hate and bike. When you start complaining about thise, the damage they cause society, and challenge womens attitudes here, THEN you may have a valid opinion. Until then, take your misandry, and shivw it!" This is the exact definition of whataboutism. Can you explain the misandry comment? Also why not start a thread about feminist media? You may find people agree with you. It is a totally different subject to what this thread is about and not really relevant 🤷♀️ | |||
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"I feel like I can speak to this as someone who very nearly fell down the manosphere pipeline. The thinking of men is that if I’m not part of the problem I’m part of the solution, you’re not, every time we allow other men to get away with misogyny we strengthen their position of how they should treat women. No. The thinking is: if I'm not a sexual abuser, don't lump me in with people who are on the basis of a shared gender. Don't assume that I am "allowing" anything and don't tell me that I bear responsibility for what other men do. You wouldn't make that demand of other demographics, so don't make it of men." I do make that demand of myself. White women often throw women of colour under the bus when it comes to opportunities and “empowerment”. I educate myself and do my best to educate others. Being well thought of by other men is really important to many men which makes men the best people to speak out on this. | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr Have you read what happened to these women? For 20mins, become a regular sheep like the rest of us and read the article and let us know how those women could've taken responsibility for their own actions 🙄 So what, bad shit happens, get used to it, I’m sure there’s people in the world who have been through worse. Yes I agree that it’s not a very nice thing to go through, but does it make me care, does it fuck. I’ve been through some pretty fucked up stuff, but you wouldn’t know because I don’t let it define me by going to media outlets for the sympathy vote. The mr We knew it was the Mr, pretty obvious. Wow you don't care, how sad is your life not too. " So you care do you, ok mr high and mighty, if you care so much what are you going to do to help these women? I’ll tell you what you’re going to do, fuck all, apart from think “ that’s fucked up” and go about your day. You don’t care, the only difference is I’ve got the bollocks to say it publicly. The mr | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr Have you read what happened to these women? For 20mins, become a regular sheep like the rest of us and read the article and let us know how those women could've taken responsibility for their own actions 🙄 So what, bad shit happens, get used to it, I’m sure there’s people in the world who have been through worse. Yes I agree that it’s not a very nice thing to go through, but does it make me care, does it fuck. I’ve been through some pretty fucked up stuff, but you wouldn’t know because I don’t let it define me by going to media outlets for the sympathy vote. The mr You still haven't told me how they could've taken responsibility for their own actions in your original post? Unless you're suggesting that they should just deal with it because other people may have it worse. In which case, that's a fucking horrific thing to say even for you. They must of know it was happening, I’d certainly know something wasn’t right if I woke not remembering how I’d fallen asleep and had a sore arsehole and the only person in the house was my wife, I wouldn’t trust her around me. Yes they should “ just deal with it” how is that horrific? What else are you meant to do? Top themselves 🤷🏻♂️ The mr Actually yes, some of us came close to that as it being the only way to escape. Unless you have actually been in that position DO NOT DARE tell the person what they should and shouldn't do it is not that simple and easy. And thats me done with this thread So going by that logic, you can’t tell people to go to the police, get therapy, seek help. You know deal with it. So what? You’re just meant to tell people “unlucky” and walk off. The mr Only 2 to 4% of r**e cases get charged! Thats before any criminal proceedings, so saying "just go to the police" is a waste of time Have you been a victim of SA or r**e because a guarantee at least one woman or girl close to has been! " There is little point trying to explain anything to this closed mind. He clearly has no understanding of how men coerce and isolate their DA victims, and make it almost impossible to to any of the things he thinks should be so easy for them. For someone who's been through some 'pretty fucked up stuff' he really doesn't seem able to show any empathy or understanding, and I for one wouldn't waste any more energy trying to change that. | |||
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"I feel like I can speak to this as someone who very nearly fell down the manosphere pipeline. The thinking of men is that if I’m not part of the problem I’m part of the solution, you’re not, every time we allow other men to get away with misogyny we strengthen their position of how they should treat women. No. The thinking is: if I'm not a sexual abuser, don't lump me in with people who are on the basis of a shared gender. Don't assume that I am "allowing" anything and don't tell me that I bear responsibility for what other men do. You wouldn't make that demand of other demographics, so don't make it of men." I disagree, if I was in a group of women who were joking about falsely accusing a man of SA then i would absolutley call it out, because for every 4 women who think its just a joke one of them might just think its OK. Im simply asking men to do the same 🤷♀️ | |||
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"I feel like I can speak to this as someone who very nearly fell down the manosphere pipeline. The thinking of men is that if I’m not part of the problem I’m part of the solution, you’re not, every time we allow other men to get away with misogyny we strengthen their position of how they should treat women. No. The thinking is: if I'm not a sexual abuser, don't lump me in with people who are on the basis of a shared gender. Don't assume that I am "allowing" anything and don't tell me that I bear responsibility for what other men do. You wouldn't make that demand of other demographics, so don't make it of men." Its not about responsibility, it's about being an ally and calling out inappropriate behaviour/challenging toxic views when you witness them. It shouldn't just be down to women to challenge this behaviour, and I was really pleased to see some men challenge others on their responses in this thread. It's the same way we challenge racism and homophobia etc, allyship is important. Even if it doesn't affect you directly it doesn't mean you can't challenge it when you witness it. | |||
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"I feel like I can speak to this as someone who very nearly fell down the manosphere pipeline. The thinking of men is that if I’m not part of the problem I’m part of the solution, you’re not, every time we allow other men to get away with misogyny we strengthen their position of how they should treat women. No. The thinking is: if I'm not a sexual abuser, don't lump me in with people who are on the basis of a shared gender. Don't assume that I am "allowing" anything and don't tell me that I bear responsibility for what other men do. You wouldn't make that demand of other demographics, so don't make it of men. I disagree, if I was in a group of women who were joking about falsely accusing a man of SA then i would absolutley call it out, because for every 4 women who think its just a joke one of them might just think its OK. Im simply asking men to do the same 🤷♀️" Absolutely this. And some do think it’s ok. | |||
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"I feel like I can speak to this as someone who very nearly fell down the manosphere pipeline. The thinking of men is that if I’m not part of the problem I’m part of the solution, you’re not, every time we allow other men to get away with misogyny we strengthen their position of how they should treat women. No. The thinking is: if I'm not a sexual abuser, don't lump me in with people who are on the basis of a shared gender. Don't assume that I am "allowing" anything and don't tell me that I bear responsibility for what other men do. You wouldn't make that demand of other demographics, so don't make it of men. Its not about responsibility, it's about being an ally and calling out inappropriate behaviour/challenging toxic views when you witness them. It shouldn't just be down to women to challenge this behaviour, and I was really pleased to see some men challenge others on their responses in this thread. It's the same way we challenge racism and homophobia etc, allyship is important. Even if it doesn't affect you directly it doesn't mean you can't challenge it when you witness it. " 100% | |||
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"I feel like I can speak to this as someone who very nearly fell down the manosphere pipeline. The thinking of men is that if I’m not part of the problem I’m part of the solution, you’re not, every time we allow other men to get away with misogyny we strengthen their position of how they should treat women. We will tell tales of women who have falsely accused men of SA, but nowhere do they mention the abysmal level of convictions for sexual violence, it’s so low it’s almost as if it’s been made legal. If men put the same energy into stating what vicious punishments should be handed out to those who harm children, into what we should do to those who harm women we could drastically reduce how many women are SA’d . And if you think only women would reap the benefits of a society where women feel safe, you’re wrong for a start you would have a lot less “why am I not getting any meets” posts, because let’s face it, you’re not inspiring confidence by ignoring women’s genuine concerns. Thank you for disclosing that you were vulnerable to the manosphere rhetoric, If its not too personal what led you to it? And what ultimately held you back from committing?" I was a twice divorced man in my 40s and both marriages ended because of adultery and it all seemed so innocent to start with, men going their own way (mgtow) just sounded like an idealism built around rejecting the traditional idea that men should be in relationships and be the provider, I was in a lot of pain, I had been hurt by women in both relationships and as a child, and I just didn’t want to be hurt anymore. I was looking for something, a male version of feminism I suppose, but when you look beyond Rogan and Peterson you find a bunch of angry men who hate women more even than they hate themselves and that never sat right with me. I took 2 years “off” meaning I committed to 2 years of celibacy, and I found that my friendships with women in that time were really good, I still don’t want to have a traditional relationship because I’m happier single, but I can now enjoy a sexual friendship with someone, based on honesty and trust. I don’t judge people by how many people they have had sex with, I purely judge people based upon how they treat me and others. | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr Have you read what happened to these women? For 20mins, become a regular sheep like the rest of us and read the article and let us know how those women could've taken responsibility for their own actions 🙄 So what, bad shit happens, get used to it, I’m sure there’s people in the world who have been through worse. Yes I agree that it’s not a very nice thing to go through, but does it make me care, does it fuck. I’ve been through some pretty fucked up stuff, but you wouldn’t know because I don’t let it define me by going to media outlets for the sympathy vote. The mr You still haven't told me how they could've taken responsibility for their own actions in your original post? Unless you're suggesting that they should just deal with it because other people may have it worse. In which case, that's a fucking horrific thing to say even for you. They must of know it was happening, I’d certainly know something wasn’t right if I woke not remembering how I’d fallen asleep and had a sore arsehole and the only person in the house was my wife, I wouldn’t trust her around me. Yes they should “ just deal with it” how is that horrific? What else are you meant to do? Top themselves 🤷🏻♂️ The mr Actually yes, some of us came close to that as it being the only way to escape. Unless you have actually been in that position DO NOT DARE tell the person what they should and shouldn't do it is not that simple and easy. And thats me done with this thread So going by that logic, you can’t tell people to go to the police, get therapy, seek help. You know deal with it. So what? You’re just meant to tell people “unlucky” and walk off. The mr Only 2 to 4% of r**e cases get charged! Thats before any criminal proceedings, so saying "just go to the police" is a waste of time Have you been a victim of SA or r**e because a guarantee at least one woman or girl close to has been! Yes I know someone who was assaulted, which resulted in a conviction. So in my experience yes you should go to the police, I don’t tent to believe in stats, because how many of those 2 in 4% were women chatting shit, maybe that’s why there was no conviction. See there are no stats for people lying. The mr " The whole process of reporting a crime, any crime, and seeing that through to a trial is a long and painful process, with added trauma for those who have already gone through a horrendous experience. Maybe there are some people who are lying, and yes there's no stats, but I can't see it being anything other than miniscule numbers | |||
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" I disagree, if I was in a group of women who were joking about falsely accusing a man of SA then i would absolutley call it out, because for every 4 women who think its just a joke one of them might just think its OK. Im simply asking men to do the same 🤷♀️" I'm not sure where the idea comes from that men sit around joking about committing r@pe on a regular basis. I've never heard anything like that from any group of men - ever. | |||
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"I feel like I can speak to this as someone who very nearly fell down the manosphere pipeline. The thinking of men is that if I’m not part of the problem I’m part of the solution, you’re not, every time we allow other men to get away with misogyny we strengthen their position of how they should treat women. We will tell tales of women who have falsely accused men of SA, but nowhere do they mention the abysmal level of convictions for sexual violence, it’s so low it’s almost as if it’s been made legal. If men put the same energy into stating what vicious punishments should be handed out to those who harm children, into what we should do to those who harm women we could drastically reduce how many women are SA’d . And if you think only women would reap the benefits of a society where women feel safe, you’re wrong for a start you would have a lot less “why am I not getting any meets” posts, because let’s face it, you’re not inspiring confidence by ignoring women’s genuine concerns. Thank you for disclosing that you were vulnerable to the manosphere rhetoric, If its not too personal what led you to it? And what ultimately held you back from committing? I was a twice divorced man in my 40s and both marriages ended because of adultery and it all seemed so innocent to start with, men going their own way (mgtow) just sounded like an idealism built around rejecting the traditional idea that men should be in relationships and be the provider, I was in a lot of pain, I had been hurt by women in both relationships and as a child, and I just didn’t want to be hurt anymore. I was looking for something, a male version of feminism I suppose, but when you look beyond Rogan and Peterson you find a bunch of angry men who hate women more even than they hate themselves and that never sat right with me. I took 2 years “off” meaning I committed to 2 years of celibacy, and I found that my friendships with women in that time were really good, I still don’t want to have a traditional relationship because I’m happier single, but I can now enjoy a sexual friendship with someone, based on honesty and trust. I don’t judge people by how many people they have had sex with, I purely judge people based upon how they treat me and others." Thank you, for sharing | |||
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"Forgetting about the bear for a minute. Please look for the story mentioned by the OP. It’s horrifying. 62 million men accessing a truly vile website" Not my thing but I bet (I don't gamble) many of the 62 million have gone to the site due to curiosity | |||
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"I feel like I can speak to this as someone who very nearly fell down the manosphere pipeline. The thinking of men is that if I’m not part of the problem I’m part of the solution, you’re not, every time we allow other men to get away with misogyny we strengthen their position of how they should treat women. No. The thinking is: if I'm not a sexual abuser, don't lump me in with people who are on the basis of a shared gender. Don't assume that I am "allowing" anything and don't tell me that I bear responsibility for what other men do. You wouldn't make that demand of other demographics, so don't make it of men." Is that not just the same sentiment worded differently? If someone you know says something creepy about a school age girl, I’m sure you would jump in and tell them to give their head a wobble, no one would have to tell you to, no one would tell you it’s your responsibility no one would demand it of you, you would just do it because it’s the right thing to do. | |||
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"Forgetting about the bear for a minute. Please look for the story mentioned by the OP. It’s horrifying. 62 million men accessing a truly vile website Not my thing but I bet (I don't gamble) many of the 62 million have gone to the site due to curiosity I don't think you just find out about these sites or stumble on them by accident. I've found out about it today as a result of this thread. " I agree its not something you accidentally look at. | |||
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" I disagree, if I was in a group of women who were joking about falsely accusing a man of SA then i would absolutley call it out, because for every 4 women who think its just a joke one of them might just think its OK. Im simply asking men to do the same 🤷♀️ I'm not sure where the idea comes from that men sit around joking about committing r@pe on a regular basis. I've never heard anything like that from any group of men - ever. Really? Because Ive heard men joking about "slipping" and doing her ass accidentally Ive heard men joking about picking up the d*unk girl because she will be up for it Ive heard men joking about how he might as well just do it while shes asleep for all the effort the missi puts in 🤷♀️" I have to agree that I've never heard that level of conversation among men and I'm not for one second claiming that they don't happen. I have called out male members of staff for inappropriate comments directed at female colleagues and been physically assaulted by one for taking him through a disciplinary as a result of his comments. I've managed companies with 100 employees, 80 of whom were men of various ages and never once overheard a conversation about sex or girlfriends even in a positive tone so from my perspective it isn't something that is a common occurrence. The only issue I can take with threads such as this is that in similar threads in the past I have said what I just said above and had some very aggressive private messages or public comments from women asking if I wanted a medal? I've been told that I need to do more but how much more am I supposed to do? I can't accept that it's my responsibility to call out friends and acquaintances for misogynistic behaviour when I know for a fact that those type of men would never be in my social circle to begin with. I've had a friend badly beaten and hospitalised for stepping in to protect a woman he didn't know in a domestic dispute and most of his injuries were caused by her when she hit him repeatedly with a brick as he was fighting off her hubby. For that reason alone I am happy to stand up and protect my daughters and family and friends but I won't be calling out complete strangers for repellent remarks. | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. I can guarantee that if the situation where a woman, a man and a bear were all alone in the woods and the three happened to encounter each other the woman would run to the man for protection. A hypothetical situation is much easier to comment on and act hard. When in reality you’d all fucking shit yourself if you encountered fox in the woods. The mr It might be worth realising, it’s not actually about the bear…. But the terrifying reality of some men. Rather than skim read a post - just head over to the news 😒 No the news is for morons. I’d rather stay free minded. Yes I agree that the majority of men are horrible cunts to women. But take some responsibility for your own piss poor decision making and stop with the victim mentality. You never hear a battered husband blaming all women. The mr Have you read what happened to these women? For 20mins, become a regular sheep like the rest of us and read the article and let us know how those women could've taken responsibility for their own actions 🙄 So what, bad shit happens, get used to it, I’m sure there’s people in the world who have been through worse. Yes I agree that it’s not a very nice thing to go through, but does it make me care, does it fuck. I’ve been through some pretty fucked up stuff, but you wouldn’t know because I don’t let it define me by going to media outlets for the sympathy vote. The mr " I know you like to provoke, and claim to be some sort of "free thinker" but that's plain one of the most unpleasant things I've seen written on the forum. 'Been sexually assaulted? Get over it, love!' I truly hope no-one you know ever suffers any hardship - your kind of "tough love" will do them no good. That doesn't diminish any bad stuff you've been through, by the way. I'm sorry about that too. | |||
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