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"I’m not sure I understand your question. Schools and churches are doing what exactly? " This ! I would repeat this question . However I think the simple answer is that the whole thread has been set up just to create. I find it fascinating that people in this world at this time, when so much shit is going on, still find time to focus on nothing and it appears the only purpose for their input is to stir up some controversy! My world could be compared to a big glass house and I learned to stop throwing stones a long long time ago  | |||
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"I haven't said that schools and churches are giving children labels. I said churches and schools are teaching children about homosexuality and transgenderism, kids of that age are very susceptible, and they will think it's cool, I want to be this. I want to be that. I don't think they realise that they're implanting seeds into an innocent child's head. The rainbow community has become very popular, almost like a fashion statement, ohh look, I've got a gay friend. I'm popular, and a young child who is in the innocent stage of life and very susceptible would think that if I'm gay, I would be making more friends. What I'm saying is the rainbow community should not be in schools or churches where innocent children are still developing mentally." You’re making a lot of assumptions, there. Have you any evidence to back up your suggestions? PSHE etc is part of the school curriculum and children have a right to be educated. Section 28 is no more. Not teaching pupils about different lifestyles and sexuality and such is in my opinion | |||
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"For me, it’s not about removing support — it’s about making sure we’re not unintentionally putting kids into boxes before they’re ready. " 100% agree with you OP | |||
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"I haven't said that schools and churches are giving children labels. I said churches and schools are teaching children about homosexuality and transgenderism, kids of that age are very susceptible, and they will think it's cool, I want to be this. I want to be that. I don't think they realise that they're implanting seeds into an innocent child's head. The rainbow community has become very popular, almost like a fashion statement, ohh look, I've got a gay friend. I'm popular, and a young child who is in the innocent stage of life and very susceptible would think that if I'm gay, I would be making more friends. What I'm saying is the rainbow community should not be in schools or churches where innocent children are still developing mentally." If it was really possible to influence sexuality in that way why aren't gay people becoming straight. You can't teach people their sexuality you can only teach that it's wrong/right to be a certain way. I would welcome children being taught about the diverse ways it's possible to be a human. I was taught about Japan in my A level geography class...I'm not Japanese | |||
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"I'm not sure about churches flying rainbow/progress flags and all that, even in the Church of England which is as woke as an organisation could get, gay is still a sin. I'm all for schools teaching in an age appropriate way that people may be gay, lesbian or trans and to be kind and respectful to everyone, including those of us that don't conform to gender stereotypes, however children should also be taught that this represents a small number of people and is not the norm, persuading kids that they may be trans is totally unacceptable. " Oh crumbs! | |||
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"I haven't said that schools and churches are giving children labels. I said churches and schools are teaching children about homosexuality and transgenderism, kids of that age are very susceptible, and they will think it's cool, I want to be this. I want to be that. I don't think they realise that they're implanting seeds into an innocent child's head. The rainbow community has become very popular, almost like a fashion statement, ohh look, I've got a gay friend. I'm popular, and a young child who is in the innocent stage of life and very susceptible would think that if I'm gay, I would be making more friends. What I'm saying is the rainbow community should not be in schools or churches where innocent children are still developing mentally." They teach them about Jesus, so should they stop doing that to? | |||
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"Had a guy in my class at high school in the 90's who was quite openly gay. For a few days he was verbally bullied for having an ear piercing on the 'gay side' as they told him and always mitched off P.E. lessons to avoid the potential possibility of getting bullied, but that was all. The other kids thought he was fun and interesting to be with because he owned the latest video games, claimed he once saw a ghost, and also toured America. In all the years my classmates knew him we never labelled him as the gay guy. He was just 'the guy who saw a ghost'. Kids live in their own world and what is important to them might mean nothing to us, and what is important to us very likely registers very little to them. " 
That is brilliant: “ tge guy who saw a ghost”
I wish I had realised that was all it took to be accepted in school. I would have seen loads of ghosts and been a top Scooby Do fan to boot
Shit!
I have been living my life all wrong
The problem is that they never teach you these life lessons while you are actually in school. Learning about them years later ids no good to me! | |||
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Personally, I know which one I find more harmful. | |||
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"As a gay man, I’m curious if anyone else feels a bit conflicted about this. I fully support LGBTQ people and think kids should grow up in a safe, accepting environment. No one should feel ashamed of who they are. At the same time, part of me wonders if schools and churches should focus more on letting kids grow and figure themselves out naturally, without feeling like they need to adopt any label too early. For me, it’s not about removing support — it’s about making sure we’re not unintentionally putting kids into boxes before they’re ready. Genuine question, not an attack — how do others see it?" Personally I think that kids should be left to be kids and discover who they are on their own terms - I’ve got nothing against LGBTQ at all and respect for everyone’s choice to live their life however they want | |||
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"Indoctrinating children about religion is fine but educating them about gender and sexual identities and different relationship/family dynamics crosses a line. Okay
Personally, I know which one I find more harmful. "That's exactly what I was thinking. The idea that kids would suddenly become gay having been taught about gender and sexuality because their impressionable minds is insane when you compare it to other things that are taught. | |||
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"I'm not sure about churches flying rainbow/progress flags and all that, even in the Church of England which is as woke as an organisation could get, gay is still a sin. I'm all for schools teaching in an age appropriate way that people may be gay, lesbian or trans and to be kind and respectful to everyone, including those of us that don't conform to gender stereotypes, however children should also be taught that this represents a small number of people and is not the norm, persuading kids that they may be trans is totally unacceptable. " What schools are persuading kids that they are trans, or are you another with a Doctorate in Internet? | |||
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"I haven't said that schools and churches are giving children labels. I said churches and schools are teaching children about homosexuality and transgenderism, kids of that age are very susceptible, and they will think it's cool, I want to be this. I want to be that. I don't think they realise that they're implanting seeds into an innocent child's head. The rainbow community has become very popular, almost like a fashion statement, ohh look, I've got a gay friend. I'm popular, and a young child who is in the innocent stage of life and very susceptible would think that if I'm gay, I would be making more friends. What I'm saying is the rainbow community should not be in schools or churches where innocent children are still developing mentally." Ooft. Not sure if you're deliberately trolling, "fashion statement"! but I'll bite... What you're saying is you think sexuality and gender identity is a choice, which is controlled by seeds being planted? I disagree , but even if you're right, can't they then choose not to be later? Can't more "seeds" be planted? But even so, what's wrong if a child did "choose" it? If all sexualities and genders are equal, surely the references to cisgender and heterosexuality is also planting seeds and indoctrinating. Unless of course, you believe that cis het is all humans natural state? That's how it comes across. Therefore gender identity and sexuality that deviates from cis/het is unnatural? Not sure how you think schools work these days either but it's not being "taught" it's just acceptable to discuss it and not censored. Whether you like it or not, trans people and people of other sexualities exist, when people suffer from the stigma around this, they have high suicide rates, especially teenagers and young people. Allowing schools to discuss relevant issues, save lives. No "rainbow community" is actively looking to 'recruit' children like you're clearly implying. It's neutral teachers trying to lower suicide rates and allow discussion of inclusivity. 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️  | |||
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"What kids do can easily be misinterpreted by parents and adults. I played with Action Man and my brother played with Barbie. When I had to bring in the washing from the line outside and I was barefoot, and very often I would just slip on my mother's old heeled shoes by the door because it was convenient. My favourite marker pen was neon pink. I would hate to think that personal choice and taste would be boxed into gender labels and stereotypes." I think accepting that everyone is different which what I would love to see as normal in education would prevent labels and stereotypes but it will never, ever happen | |||
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"Firstly, op did not mention whether religion should or should not be taught in schools. That is another question all together. OP asked whether LGBTQ should be taught or not, asking whether kids should be taught about it or not. Personally, I feel they should be taught about LGBTQ at an appropriate age in school.I don't agree that it encourages children to pigeon hole themselves into boxes that may or may not reflect their true feelings, just to be cool. Even if some do, they will eventually figure out their own sexuality and live a life accordingly. I don't feel you can persuade someone to be who they are not. The main reason why I feel children should be taught this is to say it is ok to be who you are. To teach all children that it is ok to be who you are, and that we should all be accepting of each others sexuality. That their should be no stigma attached to your sexuality and that it should not be source of prejudice or bullying. I imagine that it must be awful having to hide your sexuality for fear of retribution." He literally mentions churches in the title and the original post? | |||
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"The majority of sexual deviancy comes from children who where brought into sexuality far too young!! A child's innocence's should be maintained for as long as possible, it's special and unique and can never be gotten back, it's a gift we should all have without it being taken away. Should they want to be part of any faction of something then let that be explored when their 18. " Agree 100% | |||
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"Firstly, op did not mention whether religion should or should not be taught in schools. That is another question all together. OP asked whether LGBTQ should be taught or not, asking whether kids should be taught about it or not. Personally, I feel they should be taught about LGBTQ at an appropriate age in school.I don't agree that it encourages children to pigeon hole themselves into boxes that may or may not reflect their true feelings, just to be cool. Even if some do, they will eventually figure out their own sexuality and live a life accordingly. I don't feel you can persuade someone to be who they are not. The main reason why I feel children should be taught this is to say it is ok to be who you are. To teach all children that it is ok to be who you are, and that we should all be accepting of each others sexuality. That their should be no stigma attached to your sexuality and that it should not be source of prejudice or bullying. I imagine that it must be awful having to hide your sexuality for fear of retribution. He literally mentions churches in the title and the original post? " He poses the question, should schools and churches be teaching kids about LGBTQ. He does not pose the question, should religion be taught in school. | |||
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"Firstly, op did not mention whether religion should or should not be taught in schools. That is another question all together. OP asked whether LGBTQ should be taught or not, asking whether kids should be taught about it or not. Personally, I feel they should be taught about LGBTQ at an appropriate age in school.I don't agree that it encourages children to pigeon hole themselves into boxes that may or may not reflect their true feelings, just to be cool. Even if some do, they will eventually figure out their own sexuality and live a life accordingly. I don't feel you can persuade someone to be who they are not. The main reason why I feel children should be taught this is to say it is ok to be who you are. To teach all children that it is ok to be who you are, and that we should all be accepting of each others sexuality. That their should be no stigma attached to your sexuality and that it should not be source of prejudice or bullying. I imagine that it must be awful having to hide your sexuality for fear of retribution. He literally mentions churches in the title and the original post? He poses the question, should schools and churches be teaching kids about LGBTQ. He does not pose the question, should religion be taught in school." he doesn't, but he does mention religion, and I think it creates an interesting counterpoint that tests some of his assertions. Perhaps there's a degree of assumptions on our part, but I am guessing that they feel it's okay for kids to be taught about religion without it being seen as making them have to choose a label about what religion they are and putting themselves into a box before they are ready. Given religion is more of a choice than sexuality, it would be something to reflect on if they are more comfortable with religion being taught. In that sense, talking about religion being taught at schools is a way of testing their beliefs and position on sexuality being taught at school. For me, that part of the discussion isn't a way of "what about" or creating a straw man to distract, but as a way of "if something is okay here, why is it not okay there". Ultimately, I don't really know the views of the original poster, and I suspect there's a lot more nuance than a few lines can give it. After all, schools run from 4 to 18, and I struggle to believe he is saying that they shouldn't talk about sexuality to an 18-year-old. | |||
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"I said churches and schools are teaching children about homosexuality and transgenderism, kids of that age are very susceptible, and they will think it's cool, I want to be this. I want to be that. I don't think they realise that they're implanting seeds into an innocent child's head. The rainbow community has become very popular, almost like a fashion statement, " this is a lie that bigots have been spreading for decades. absolute nonsense. I was told I would 'grow out of it' and I was 'being influenced by my gay friend' | |||
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"If you look up the following document WHO Regional Office for Europe and BZgA Standards for Sexuality Education in Europe you'll get an eye opener to what is or will be taught in schools and you'd pull your kids out of school." Out of curiosity I did look that up and have a read through. I couldn't see anything shocking in it. I'm just wondering what parts you don't think children should be taught? | |||
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"The majority of sexual deviancy comes from children who where brought into sexuality far too young!! A child's innocence's should be maintained for as long as possible, it's special and unique and can never be gotten back, it's a gift we should all have without it being taken away. Should they want to be part of any faction of something then let that be explored when their 18. " intrigued what is meant by deviancy here. Especially given the nature of this site ! Also curious if you mean sexuality or sex ? The later I can understand especially given that often is SA. Perhaps education may help rather than hinder that. The WHo document references earlier can be found on the website of international centre for missing and exploited children so suggests they see it as being beneficial for their cause. | |||
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"I haven't said that schools and churches are giving children labels. I said churches and schools are teaching children about homosexuality and transgenderism, kids of that age are very susceptible, and they will think it's cool, I want to be this. I want to be that. I don't think they realise that they're implanting seeds into an innocent child's head. The rainbow community has become very popular, almost like a fashion statement, ohh look, I've got a gay friend. I'm popular, and a young child who is in the innocent stage of life and very susceptible would think that if I'm gay, I would be making more friends. What I'm saying is the rainbow community should not be in schools or churches where innocent children are still developing mentally." I dont agree with it, do they teach them about straight people too then? Makes no sense. They shouldn't be focusing on subjects like that as it could influence them into believing they are a sexuality/gender they aren't. If you are gay, lesbian, straight or whatever you will discover that in your own time. It's certainly not as taboo a subject as it used to be which is good as it allows people of all sexualiies to not be judged or taunted like they used to. but I dont feel sexuality and gender needs to be taught in schools. Mrs x | |||
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" I dont agree with it, do they teach them about straight people too then? " Yes, naturally in curriculum which include all hetero normative references In all PSHE that talks about family values from young ages and traditional family structures. Schools absolutely do teach about heterosexuality and cisgenderism just naturally, which is brilliant and great that they do and no one sees it as "planting seeds" All we are now talking about is being able to reference that not everyone is cisgender and heterosexual and that's also ok as reference for a child who is also entitled to be accepted for who they are | |||
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"Thankfully Orban got voted out as Hungary s PM this week, after repression of his people, including over LGBTQ+ issues. He'd followed Putin"s approach of driving up fear about children learning about bi and gay people. Children have every right to be given truthful information that we know is healthy and appropriate for them. I'm disappointed that there are still repressive views about " A great observation and intelligent response to this thread | |||
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"The rainbow community has become very popular, almost like a fashion statement, ohh look, I've got a gay friend. I'm popular" I’d say this is absolutely not the case and anyone who doesn’t conform to the perceived norm is exposed to horrendous bullying. I’m not sure which utopia you live in but I’d like to move there. | |||
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"I haven't said that schools and churches are giving children labels. I said churches and schools are teaching children about homosexuality and transgenderism, kids of that age are very susceptible, and they will think it's cool, I want to be this. I want to be that. I don't think they realise that they're implanting seeds into an innocent child's head. The rainbow community has become very popular, almost like a fashion statement, ohh look, I've got a gay friend. I'm popular, and a young child who is in the innocent stage of life and very susceptible would think that if I'm gay, I would be making more friends. What I'm saying is the rainbow community should not be in schools or churches where innocent children are still developing mentally. I dont agree with it, do they teach them about straight people too then? Makes no sense. They shouldn't be focusing on subjects like that as it could influence them into believing they are a sexuality/gender they aren't. If you are gay, lesbian, straight or whatever you will discover that in your own time. It's certainly not as taboo a subject as it used to be which is good as it allows people of all sexualiies to not be judged or taunted like they used to. but I dont feel sexuality and gender needs to be taught in schools. Mrs x" Teaching a gay kid about heterosexuality could influence them (and likely does) that they need to be straight. What’s the difference? | |||
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"I’m not sure I understand your question. Schools and churches are doing what exactly? " This was my question. You seem to be implying that schools and churches have made LGBT the reason for their existence. They just deal with what ever society brings up and DEMANDS of them - | |||
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"I haven't said that schools and churches are giving children labels. I said churches and schools are teaching children about homosexuality and transgenderism, kids of that age are very susceptible, and they will think it's cool, I want to be this. I want to be that. I don't think they realise that they're implanting seeds into an innocent child's head. The rainbow community has become very popular, almost like a fashion statement, ohh look, I've got a gay friend. I'm popular, and a young child who is in the innocent stage of life and very susceptible would think that if I'm gay, I would be making more friends. What I'm saying is the rainbow community should not be in schools or churches where innocent children are still developing mentally." Oh right, so you are saying GAYS are imaginary and not born ? | |||
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"I’m not sure I understand your question. Schools and churches are doing what exactly? This was my question. You seem to be implying that schools and churches have made LGBT the reason for their existence. They just deal with what ever society brings up and DEMANDS of them - " I would say most churches, and synagogue and mosques whilst we are at it, have tried as hard as possible to make discrimination and teaching against understanding of LGBT+ people a pretty big part of their existence for a very long time. That some now take more open and inclusive positions makes them less corrupting places. | |||
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"Funny thing. There are straight influences all around. Most characters on telly, in books, in fact most people you meet are straight acting. Yet some people seem to think that the mere fact of being exposed to other influences will immediately sway someone to the other side. " Oh my God! Those tits.... I feel lesbian coming on. Gimme a suck Tina ... mwah ! | |||
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"As a gay man, I’m curious if anyone else feels a bit conflicted about this. I fully support LGBTQ people and think kids should grow up in a safe, accepting environment. No one should feel ashamed of who they are. At the same time, part of me wonders if schools and churches should focus more on letting kids grow and figure themselves out naturally, without feeling like they need to adopt any label too early. For me, it’s not about removing support — it’s about making sure we’re not unintentionally putting kids into boxes before they’re ready. Genuine question, not an attack — how do others see it?" I think certain celebrities have s bigger impact on kids than church and schools | |||
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"If they want to teach religion in schools then the whole LGBTQWERTY rainbow should also be as mandatory- If the god botherers have an issue with children being subjected to outside influences os strange groups being taught in school, that might change the rest of their life- I have a cunning plan..... "Agree. I hate religion and dont think it should be taught in school. Keep that backwards thinking for places of worship. | |||
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