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They are the bane of my life lol so on the spot fines should be a good deterent lol
PS If you hog the middle lane on the M4 you may have seen me flas my lights at you to get the fook out the way lmao  | |||
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"Totally agree with you and I still think ppl who use there phone should have at least £500 fine sorry that's just me "Agree there is absolutely no need to use your phone now, with allsorts of handsfree options available and a lot of new cars having it built in there is just no need ! The sights we have seen on M4 and M25 grrrr lol !! | |||
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"Totally agree with you and I still think ppl who use there phone should have at least £500 fine sorry that's just me
Agree there is absolutely no need to use your phone now, with allsorts of handsfree options available and a lot of new cars having it built in there is just no need !
The sights we have seen on M4 and M25 grrrr lol !! "That's it chuck no need and surely you could wait 10 mins while can pull to safety to answer a text it's not worth putting yours and someone else's life in danger | |||
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" Agree there is absolutely no need to use your phone now, with allsorts of handsfree options available and a lot of new cars having it built in there is just no need ! " I have to use mine occasionally- so I can follow the recipie for the meal I have cooking on my camping stove in the passenger seat | |||
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"It does make me laugh when you flash someone to move over and they get angry at your like your doing something wrong lol !! And manners on the british motorways dont exist lol the M25 is like deathrace 2000 "You got that right! Now I know why I go through main beam bulbs so often - it's all that flashing at ignorant gits on the M25 (J2-J7 usually!!!!!) Lol!  | |||
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"It does make me laugh when you flash someone to move over and they get angry at your like your doing something wrong lol !! And manners on the british motorways dont exist lol the M25 is like deathrace 2000
You got that right! Now I know why I go through main beam bulbs so often - it's all that flashing at ignorant gits on the M25 (J2-J7 usually!!!!!) Lol!
"The worst bit is the junction from M4 to get onto M25, there is tons of advance warning yet people still feel the need to cut in at the last minute, which causes disruption and potential accidents to other drivers continuing on their journey !! | |||
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"It does make me laugh when you flash someone to move over and they get angry at your like your doing something wrong lol !! And manners on the british motorways dont exist lol the M25 is like deathrace 2000
You got that right! Now I know why I go through main beam bulbs so often - it's all that flashing at ignorant gits on the M25 (J2-J7 usually!!!!!) Lol!
The worst bit is the junction from M4 to get onto M25, there is tons of advance warning yet people still feel the need to cut in at the last minute, which causes disruption and potential accidents to other drivers continuing on their journey !! "As I go to all the airports around the M25 everyday, I know it's pretty much the same all the way round to be honest. There are arseholes who join from the M4, just as there are from the A2, M23, A127 - the list goes on and on... Don't know about you, but it feels to me that the J16-J10 section has got worse as people use Sat Nav more now - they all get sent the same way (mostly because people will NOT read the f***in manual!!) and, because the spped limit is 70 through there, that's the way they get 'directed'... just adds to the load - and the stupidity...  | |||
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"Finally the government have seen fit to do something about people that hog the middle lane
They are the bane of my life lol so on the spot fines should be a good deterent lol
PS If you hog the middle lane on the M4 you may have seen me flas my lights at you to get the fook out the way lmao "They may as well just dish out fines to Honda and Volvo drivers, they seem to like the middle lane most! | |||
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"They have plenty of camera's on the motorways now, maybe they should find a way of recognising a car and if its clocked going through say 2 camera's with a 2 mile gap between them in the middle lane an automatic fine is sent out ?? Just an idea lol "I understand that the plan is to equip all ANPR cars so they can get video evidence to back up the FPN. | |||
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"They have plenty of camera's on the motorways now, maybe they should find a way of recognising a car and if its clocked going through say 2 camera's with a 2 mile gap between them in the middle lane an automatic fine is sent out ?? Just an idea lol
I understand that the plan is to equip all ANPR cars so they can get video evidence to back up the FPN. "Yeh but there arent enough ANPR cars to police the motorways, besides i havent seen a jam sandwhich for yonks on the motorway ?? Only the motorway traffic patrol cars and my understanding is they have no police powers whatsoever ?? | |||
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"lets hope it goes further too, truckers who take 15 mins to pass another truck doing a 16th of a mph less than they are (grabs tin hat & hides)" Lol to be honest that doesnt really bother me as they are heavy loads and dont have the same acceleration plus most lorry drivers are fairly respectful | |||
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"I'd like to believe it will have an effect, but I doubt it. Until we change the 'right of way' rules on our motorways to match those on the continent (ie. the fast moving vehicle has right of way) it won't change. You only have to drive on the autoroute from Calais to Paris once to see the difference it has on behaviour and, dare I say it, 'manners'..?? Ted" No need to change the rule as the rule already is drive in the left lane. The two other lanes are for overtaking only. | |||
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"lets hope it goes further too, truckers who take 15 mins to pass another truck doing a 16th of a mph less than they are (grabs tin hat & hides) Lol to be honest that doesnt really bother me as they are heavy loads and dont have the same acceleration plus most lorry drivers are fairly respectful "Agree..Drove the M1..M25..M4..M5 on Sunday..must have been a middle lane drivers convention!..what I find intriguing is why they do it..do they feel safe there or what? | |||
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"They have plenty of camera's on the motorways now, maybe they should find a way of recognising a car and if its clocked going through say 2 camera's with a 2 mile gap between them in the middle lane an automatic fine is sent out ?? Just an idea lol
I understand that the plan is to equip all ANPR cars so they can get video evidence to back up the FPN.
Yeh but there arent enough ANPR cars to police the motorways, besides i havent seen a jam sandwhich for yonks on the motorway ?? Only the motorway traffic patrol cars and my understanding is they have no police powers whatsoever ?? "Try the Surrey section - they have unmarked ANPR cars on it all the time. Spotted most of them, but still have to be a bit careful. And as for the Wombles (Highway Patrol in the green and black 4x4's) - nope, no powers at all - although they have tried or moves are afoot to give them some. | |||
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"Hey, to be honest I like the middle lane! I think I stay I there more than most, only because whenever I'm on the m1 there's a shit load of people driving 50-60, including an ice cream van last time, in the left lane and I can't be assed to waste my petrol going in and out of them! Why have two lanes for overtaking anyway? " Then you won't have any problem with me exercising my right under Rule 268 next time I spot you sitting in lane 2 on the M25, will you.... | |||
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"lets hope it goes further too, truckers who take 15 mins to pass another truck doing a 16th of a mph less than they are (grabs tin hat & hides) Lol to be honest that doesnt really bother me as they are heavy loads and dont have the same acceleration plus most lorry drivers are fairly respectful
Agree..Drove the M1..M25..M4..M5 on Sunday..must have been a middle lane drivers convention!..what I find intriguing is why they do it..do they feel safe there or what? "Because they are idiots? | |||
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"Hey, to be honest I like the middle lane! I think I stay I there more than most, only because whenever I'm on the m1 there's a shit load of people driving 50-60, including an ice cream van last time, in the left lane and I can't be assed to waste my petrol going in and out of them! Why have two lanes for overtaking anyway? " Enjoy your Fixed Penalty tickets | |||
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"Hey, to be honest I like the middle lane! I think I stay I there more than most, only because whenever I'm on the m1 there's a shit load of people driving 50-60, including an ice cream van last time, in the left lane and I can't be assed to waste my petrol going in and out of them! Why have two lanes for overtaking anyway? " if there is plenty of room to get into the left lane without having to pull out again.. thats the problem here.. obv with heavy traffic things are different.. | |||
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"Saw the title and guessed the OP! Lol Not a fan of them myself - but if you let me know what you drive I'll ensure I get out if the way for you! At least I will after a flash or two!
Fnar Fnar!! "Lol Obi, ill get Sam to flash you instead, although that could need to an accident and you might crash lmao !! | |||
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"Hey, to be honest I like the middle lane! I think I stay I there more than most, only because whenever I'm on the m1 there's a shit load of people driving 50-60, including an ice cream van last time, in the left lane and I can't be assed to waste my petrol going in and out of them! Why have two lanes for overtaking anyway? Enjoy your Fixed Penalty tickets "Hahah I will the thing is, there's no mention of motorway use in driving lessons or really that much in theory! And far too many people pass without really learning how to drive on a motorway, and that's why I think so many use the middle lane for cruising- I do go to the left lane usually, but not last time as it was totally jam packed with lorries and incredibly slow moving vehicles- I was also directed to stay in lane by the signage too these are all my excuses! | |||
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"It does make me laugh when you flash someone to move over and they get angry at your like your doing something wrong lol !! And manners on the british motorways dont exist lol the M25 is like deathrace 2000
You got that right! Now I know why I go through main beam bulbs so often - it's all that flashing at ignorant gits on the M25 (J2-J7 usually!!!!!) Lol!
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"Saw the title and guessed the OP! Lol Not a fan of them myself - but if you let me know what you drive I'll ensure I get out if the way for you! At least I will after a flash or two!
Fnar Fnar!!
Lol Obi, ill get Sam to flash you instead, although that could need to an accident and you might crash lmao !! "No worries there! With some of the things I've seen on my annual 30k odd driving there's not much that would distract me from keeping in a straight line! I particularly find cows walking across those overpasses an odd site however!  | |||
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"Saw the title and guessed the OP! Lol Not a fan of them myself - but if you let me know what you drive I'll ensure I get out if the way for you! At least I will after a flash or two!
Fnar Fnar!!
Lol Obi, ill get Sam to flash you instead, although that could need to an accident and you might crash lmao !!
No worries there! With some of the things I've seen on my annual 30k odd driving there's not much that would distract me from keeping in a straight line!
I particularly find cows walking across those overpasses an odd site however! "Pull the Udder one lol.... | |||
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"lets hope it goes further too, truckers who take 15 mins to pass another truck doing a 16th of a mph less than they are (grabs tin hat & hides) Lol to be honest that doesnt really bother me as they are heavy loads and dont have the same acceleration plus most lorry drivers are fairly respectful
Agree..Drove the M1..M25..M4..M5 on Sunday..must have been a middle lane drivers convention!..what I find intriguing is why they do it..do they feel safe there or what? "Have you ever done a tactical driving course? cos that is what's reccommended as you give yourself options to get out of danger .............. | |||
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"Saw the title and guessed the OP! Lol Not a fan of them myself - but if you let me know what you drive I'll ensure I get out if the way for you! At least I will after a flash or two!
Fnar Fnar!!
Lol Obi, ill get Sam to flash you instead, although that could need to an accident and you might crash lmao !!
No worries there! With some of the things I've seen on my annual 30k odd driving there's not much that would distract me from keeping in a straight line!
I particularly find cows walking across those overpasses an odd site however! "I saw cows on an overpass yesterday for the first time - it's surreal. I did once see a man driving with a woman sat on his cock (I assume) facing him. They were in the middle lane on the M40. | |||
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"They have plenty of camera's on the motorways now, maybe they should find a way of recognising a car and if its clocked going through say 2 camera's with a 2 mile gap between them in the middle lane an automatic fine is sent out ?? Just an idea lol "So just playing devils advocate for a moment, IF I sit in the middle lane for 2 miles doing 71MPH past 2 camera's and on both camera's you are sat behind me flashing your lights. Do I get fined for being in the middle lane? Do we both get fined for being in the middle lane?? or do I get away with it and you get fined for intending to break the speed limit??? Just wondering is all... | |||
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"I sometimes make a judgement to remain in the middle lane if I can see that I will be overtaking the car in the 1st lane within minutes. How will the police decide who is hogging the middle lane? I always move over if it is safe to do so if someone is coming up behind me. I might remain in the middle lane if I know I am approaching a junction that I know is notorious for people bunching to exit. Does this make me a hog?" If you are going to overtake the other cars in the inside land within, say, less than 45 seconds at a good closing speed, you could use that excuse. It is the people who drive for 50 miles keeping station with other cars in the inside lane that should be nuked. Especially when they refuse point blank to move over. They turn the motorway into a 2 lane road from 3 lane one. | |||
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"I sometimes make a judgement to remain in the middle lane if I can see that I will be overtaking the car in the 1st lane within minutes. How will the police decide who is hogging the middle lane? I always move over if it is safe to do so if someone is coming up behind me. I might remain in the middle lane if I know I am approaching a junction that I know is notorious for people bunching to exit. Does this make me a hog?" This is what I was told on a course Kent Police used to run for the general public years ago: If the lane to your left is clear for as far as you can see, then you should move to the left. If there is a slower moving vehicle in the left hand lane which is no more than about 3/10th's of a mile ahead (just over 500yds) then you can stay in Lane 2 to over take. I do the same as you at on-slips where I know there is a regular hazard as the longer dashed white lines don't appear soon enough to tell you the hazard has increased. The old curved arrows which used to be painted on roads to 'encourage' you to move into Lane 2 to avoid spots like that have been taken out of legislation now - and not for the better IMHO. | |||
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"Saw the title and guessed the OP! Lol Not a fan of them myself - but if you let me know what you drive I'll ensure I get out if the way for you! At least I will after a flash or two!
Fnar Fnar!!
Lol Obi, ill get Sam to flash you instead, although that could need to an accident and you might crash lmao !!
No worries there! With some of the things I've seen on my annual 30k odd driving there's not much that would distract me from keeping in a straight line!
I particularly find cows walking across those overpasses an odd site however!
I saw cows on an overpass yesterday for the first time - it's surreal.
I did once see a man driving with a woman sat on his cock (I assume) facing him. They were in the middle lane on the M40."Inflatable or real? 
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"They have plenty of camera's on the motorways now, maybe they should find a way of recognising a car and if its clocked going through say 2 camera's with a 2 mile gap between them in the middle lane an automatic fine is sent out ?? Just an idea lol
So just playing devils advocate for a moment, IF I sit in the middle lane for 2 miles doing 71MPH past 2 camera's and on both camera's you are sat behind me flashing your lights.
Do I get fined for being in the middle lane?
Do we both get fined for being in the middle lane??
or do I get away with it and you get fined for intending to break the speed limit???
Just wondering is all..."If the inside lane is free why not use it? Irrespective of what speed you are doing. | |||
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"They have plenty of camera's on the motorways now, maybe they should find a way of recognising a car and if its clocked going through say 2 camera's with a 2 mile gap between them in the middle lane an automatic fine is sent out ?? Just an idea lol
So just playing devils advocate for a moment, IF I sit in the middle lane for 2 miles doing 71MPH past 2 camera's and on both camera's you are sat behind me flashing your lights.
Do I get fined for being in the middle lane?
Do we both get fined for being in the middle lane??
or do I get away with it and you get fined for intending to break the speed limit???
Just wondering is all..."Good point, but just to say i dont flash people unless its really necessarry and just to make them aware that they need to move over, I dont do it all the time as im aware it can be considered agrressive and dangerous etc. And agree with the above people who overtake ridiculously slowly or run parallel with other cars are so annoying lol !! | |||
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"They have plenty of camera's on the motorways now, maybe they should find a way of recognising a car and if its clocked going through say 2 camera's with a 2 mile gap between them in the middle lane an automatic fine is sent out ?? Just an idea lol
So just playing devils advocate for a moment, IF I sit in the middle lane for 2 miles doing 71MPH past 2 camera's and on both camera's you are sat behind me flashing your lights.
Do I get fined for being in the middle lane?
Do we both get fined for being in the middle lane??
or do I get away with it and you get fined for intending to break the speed limit???
Just wondering is all..."On that basis, you both get fined for being in Lane 2 for an excessive distance. And, as far as I know, there is no such offence as 'Intending to exceed the speed limit', only actually doing it. | |||
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"I sometimes make a judgement to remain in the middle lane if I can see that I will be overtaking the car in the 1st lane within minutes. How will the police decide who is hogging the middle lane? I always move over if it is safe to do so if someone is coming up behind me. I might remain in the middle lane if I know I am approaching a junction that I know is notorious for people bunching to exit. Does this make me a hog?" I wouldn't call you a hogger. If it was busyish on part of the motorway and you were sat doing 50/60 mph in the middle lane, when the inside lane was clear, and no junction for a while, then I probably would call you a hog then. All this flashing of lights etc is a bit ott if you ask me. There are 3 lanes, if someone is sat in the middle you can normally see them well in advance, so why not just get in the outside lane to overtake instead of being an agressive driver?  | |||
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"Saw the title and guessed the OP! Lol Not a fan of them myself - but if you let me know what you drive I'll ensure I get out if the way for you! At least I will after a flash or two!
Fnar Fnar!!
Lol Obi, ill get Sam to flash you instead, although that could need to an accident and you might crash lmao !!
No worries there! With some of the things I've seen on my annual 30k odd driving there's not much that would distract me from keeping in a straight line!
I particularly find cows walking across those overpasses an odd site however!
I saw cows on an overpass yesterday for the first time - it's surreal.
I did once see a man driving with a woman sat on his cock (I assume) facing him. They were in the middle lane on the M40.
Inflatable or real?
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"It does make me laugh when you flash someone to move over and they get angry at your like your doing something wrong lol !! " Would not make me angry, but would confuse me, I would sit in the middle lane at slightly above the speed limit, thinking why the hell is that car flashing headlights instead of indicating and using the outside lane to pass me  | |||
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"Totally agree with you and I still think ppl who use there phone should have at least £500 fine sorry that's just me "sorry but that should be an instant ban car towed away and you can not get it back for 14 days | |||
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"It does make me laugh when you flash someone to move over and they get angry at your like your doing something wrong lol !! Would not make me angry, but would confuse me, I would sit in the middle lane at slightly above the speed limit, thinking why the hell is that car flashing headlights instead of indicating and using the outside lane to pass me "The you would be hogging the middle lane | |||
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"It does make me laugh when you flash someone to move over and they get angry at your like your doing something wrong lol !! And manners on the british motorways dont exist lol the M25 is like deathrace 2000 "generally you probably will be doing something wrong (like exceeding the speed limit) | |||
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"If the inside lane is free why not use it? Irrespective of what speed you are doing. " Because there are 1203 trucks (and a van) in the inside lane 600 meters apart doing a speed regulated 65mph so I could dodge in and out after each truck trusting the middle lane flashers will let me pull out again, or I could just sit here overtaking trucks and wonder why they are not using the third lane to overtake me if that's what they want to do... Middle lane hoggers are annoying at times when there is nothing in the inside lane that they may want to pass in the next minute or two, (1 or 2 miles at motorway speed) but with the congestion on our roads these days it's hardly surprising that 2 lanes of the motorway are dealing with the traffic flow. | |||
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"It does make me laugh when you flash someone to move over and they get angry at your like your doing something wrong lol !! And manners on the british motorways dont exist lol the M25 is like deathrace 2000
generally you probably will be doing something wrong (like exceeding the speed limit) "Just glad I'm oop norf away from it | |||
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"I sometimes make a judgement to remain in the middle lane if I can see that I will be overtaking the car in the 1st lane within minutes. How will the police decide who is hogging the middle lane? I always move over if it is safe to do so if someone is coming up behind me. I might remain in the middle lane if I know I am approaching a junction that I know is notorious for people bunching to exit. Does this make me a hog? I wouldn't call you a hogger. If it was busyish on part of the motorway and you were sat doing 50/60 mph in the middle lane, when the inside lane was clear, and no junction for a while, then I probably would call you a hog then. All this flashing of lights etc is a bit ott if you ask me. There are 3 lanes, if someone is sat in the middle you can normally see them well in advance, so why not just get in the outside lane to overtake instead of being an agressive driver? "Simple - and without wishing to be arrogant - what you haven't seen is that YOU are breaking the law by sitting in the middle lane (Rule 264, Highway Code). By travelling at under 63mph in an unrestricted vehicle, you are also committing an (albeit little known) offence of 'Failing to maintain a sufficient road speed' (it's the old 10% tolerance on speedometers, which has gone by the wayside these days now that we have electronically controlled speedos). It's no surprise people don't 'get this' - we still don't include motorway driving in the driving test (which never ceases to astound me!) and people are, in general, ignorant of the rules covering driving on them. | |||
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"Finally the government have seen fit to do something about people that hog the middle lane
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"If the inside lane is free why not use it? Irrespective of what speed you are doing. Because there are 1203 trucks (and a van) in the inside lane 600 meters apart doing a speed regulated 65mph so I could dodge in and out after each truck trusting the middle lane flashers will let me pull out again, or I could just sit here overtaking trucks and wonder why they are not using the third lane to overtake me if that's what they want to do... Middle lane hoggers are annoying at times when there is nothing in the inside lane that they may want to pass in the next minute or two, (1 or 2 miles at motorway speed) but with the congestion on our roads these days it's hardly surprising that 2 lanes of the motorway are dealing with the traffic flow." As i said earlier i dont flash other drivers all the time, in fact rarely and only if they are ignorant of their surroundings and other drivers, if lane 3 is clear then i will overtake and then pull in. The middle lane hoggers im talking about are the inconsiderate idiots that think its their right to sit there regardless of other traffic and other road users and will not move into lane 1 when its completely clear of traffic. | |||
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"I sometimes make a judgement to remain in the middle lane if I can see that I will be overtaking the car in the 1st lane within minutes. How will the police decide who is hogging the middle lane? I always move over if it is safe to do so if someone is coming up behind me. I might remain in the middle lane if I know I am approaching a junction that I know is notorious for people bunching to exit. Does this make me a hog? I wouldn't call you a hogger. If it was busyish on part of the motorway and you were sat doing 50/60 mph in the middle lane, when the inside lane was clear, and no junction for a while, then I probably would call you a hog then. All this flashing of lights etc is a bit ott if you ask me. There are 3 lanes, if someone is sat in the middle you can normally see them well in advance, so why not just get in the outside lane to overtake instead of being an agressive driver? "I agree completely! There's far too many aggressive drivers on the motorways, they're more than likely to cause accidents and piss everyone off | |||
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"If the inside lane is free why not use it? Irrespective of what speed you are doing. Because there are 1203 trucks (and a van) in the inside lane 600 meters apart doing a speed regulated 65mph so I could dodge in and out after each truck trusting the middle lane flashers will let me pull out again, or I could just sit here overtaking trucks and wonder why they are not using the third lane to overtake me if that's what they want to do... Middle lane hoggers are annoying at times when there is nothing in the inside lane that they may want to pass in the next minute or two, (1 or 2 miles at motorway speed) but with the congestion on our roads these days it's hardly surprising that 2 lanes of the motorway are dealing with the traffic flow. As i said earlier i dont flash other drivers all the time, in fact rarely and only if they are ignorant of their surroundings and other drivers, if lane 3 is clear then i will overtake and then pull in. The middle lane hoggers im talking about are the inconsiderate idiots that think its their right to sit there regardless of other traffic and other road users and will not move into lane 1 when its completely clear of traffic. " Phew, after this clarification I'm not a hugger! Yay! | |||
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" I wouldn't call you a hogger. If it was busyish on part of the motorway and you were sat doing 50/60 mph in the middle lane, when the inside lane was clear, and no junction for a while, then I probably would call you a hog then. All this flashing of lights etc is a bit ott if you ask me. There are 3 lanes, if someone is sat in the middle you can normally see them well in advance, so why not just get in the outside lane to overtake instead of being an agressive driver?
Simple - and without wishing to be arrogant - what you haven't seen is that YOU are breaking the law by sitting in the middle lane (Rule 264, Highway Code). By travelling at under 63mph in an unrestricted vehicle, you are also committing an (albeit little known) offence of 'Failing to maintain a sufficient road speed' (it's the old 10% tolerance on speedometers, which has gone by the wayside these days now that we have electronically controlled speedos).
It's no surprise people don't 'get this' - we still don't include motorway driving in the driving test (which never ceases to astound me!) and people are, in general, ignorant of the rules covering driving on them."I never said I do 50/60 mph, I was referring to an imaginery person doing that speed. I was giving an (extreme) example of what may be considered a hog. Whilst I can not give you every law or section I do also know what I am talking about also. I am an advanced driver and that includes high speed motorway driving and spent a few years working with police on the motorway. So I would appreciate not being called an ignorant driver, when I fully understand the laws of driving. | |||
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just remembered an occasion when I was in a strange town and got caught on a roundabout attempting to go from middle lane to inside lane ready to take the next exit, the traffic stopped leaving me stuck with the tail end in the wrong lane.at which a bus driver got very angry and flashed his lights and blew his horn furiously.
I calmly removed my seat belt stepped out of the car and strolled very slowly around my car "looking for bits fallen off" then with a shrug back to the bus where I asked in a very calm tone what the problem was, and explained at length my confusion as I thought he was trying to tell me I had a puncture or some other problem. All the while trying not to snigger as his anger made his whole head go from deep red to almost purple.
By the time I strolled back to my car, slowly started it put my seat belt on and drove away on the road that had been clear ahead for quite a while now I gave him a cheery friendly wave whilst watching to see if his head would actually explode
Back to the OP's point no I don't like middle lane hoggers, but much prefer them to the drivers who rant past me at 90+ in the outside pull in front of me and into the gap between two trucks I am passing slam their brakes on and then pull out in front of me, or worse behind me repeating the whole exercise to overtake the next truck.
Calm and common sense will get you where you need to be alive and on time, anger and flashing lights don't do anything for anyone except make the first hour after you arrive a waste of time as you let the anger dissipate.
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"If I drive and sit in the middle lane and overtake the cars on the left, would I still be considered as a middle lane hogger? " | |||
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Final point.. Stop giving out about middle lane hoggers .. Just indicate overtake and move on.. Flashing and rage means your in even more danger of an accident.. Its a fact of life, we have people on our roads who can't use the motorway system, roundabouts, indicators possible stuff like the CD player in their vehicle.. Indicate overtake move on with your life
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" just remembered an occasion when I was in a strange town and got caught on a roundabout attempting to go from middle lane to inside lane ready to take the next exit, the traffic stopped leaving me stuck with the tail end in the wrong lane.at which a bus driver got very angry and flashed his lights and blew his horn furiously.
I calmly removed my seat belt stepped out of the car and strolled very slowly around my car "looking for bits fallen off" then with a shrug back to the bus where I asked in a very calm tone what the problem was, and explained at length my confusion as I thought he was trying to tell me I had a puncture or some other problem. All the while trying not to snigger as his anger made his whole head go from deep red to almost purple.
By the time I strolled back to my car, slowly started it put my seat belt on and drove away on the road that had been clear ahead for quite a while now I gave him a cheery friendly wave whilst watching to see if his head would actually explode
Back to the OP's point no I don't like middle lane hoggers, but much prefer them to the drivers who rant past me at 90+ in the outside pull in front of me and into the gap between two trucks I am passing slam their brakes on and then pull out in front of me, or worse behind me repeating the whole exercise to overtake the next truck.
Calm and common sense will get you where you need to be alive and on time, anger and flashing lights don't do anything for anyone except make the first hour after you arrive a waste of time as you let the anger dissipate.
In the UK flashing headlights is commonly used as a courtesy signal to allow someone in, or out in front of you, or out of a junction etc. so using them Italian style to signal "get out of the way you moron" has lots of prospect of being ignored or misunderstood. "Ok couple of points which i have already stated clearly twice ! I dont flash every driver and am more than considerate to other drivers, secondly i certainly dont bomb down the motorway at 90+ Mph that would be foolish. Yes flashing people is genrally a courtesy signal to allow people to pull out but sometimes drivers arent aware that they should pull over to allow traffic flow to continue. Have to say i find the fact that you stopped in the middle of a roundabout and casually got out and examined your car, whilst increasing the chances of not only causing an accident but casuing injury to yourself a little worrying. By doing that you have also angered the bus driver which then affects his driving and could then lead to another accident. Certainly would not be my course of action. | |||
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" just remembered an occasion when I was in a strange town and got caught on a roundabout attempting to go from middle lane to inside lane ready to take the next exit, the traffic stopped leaving me stuck with the tail end in the wrong lane.at which a bus driver got very angry and flashed his lights and blew his horn furiously.
I calmly removed my seat belt stepped out of the car and strolled very slowly around my car "looking for bits fallen off" then with a shrug back to the bus where I asked in a very calm tone what the problem was, and explained at length my confusion as I thought he was trying to tell me I had a puncture or some other problem. All the while trying not to snigger as his anger made his whole head go from deep red to almost purple.
By the time I strolled back to my car, slowly started it put my seat belt on and drove away on the road that had been clear ahead for quite a while now I gave him a cheery friendly wave whilst watching to see if his head would actually explode
Back to the OP's point no I don't like middle lane hoggers, but much prefer them to the drivers who rant past me at 90+ in the outside pull in front of me and into the gap between two trucks I am passing slam their brakes on and then pull out in front of me, or worse behind me repeating the whole exercise to overtake the next truck.
Calm and common sense will get you where you need to be alive and on time, anger and flashing lights don't do anything for anyone except make the first hour after you arrive a waste of time as you let the anger dissipate.
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" So I would appreciate not being called an ignorant driver, when I fully understand the laws of driving. " Obviously not if you think people should use the third lane because you can'#t be arsed to move out of lane 2. | |||
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"Finally the government have seen fit to do something about people that hog the middle lane
They are the bane of my life lol so on the spot fines should be a good deterent lol
PS If you hog the middle lane on the M4 you may have seen me flas my lights at you to get the fook out the way lmao "Indeed I agree .. same with the fast lane hoggers who sit at 75/80 without a care in the world.. does my head in.. | |||
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"lets hope it goes further too, truckers who take 15 mins to pass another truck doing a 16th of a mph less than they are (grabs tin hat & hides) Lol to be honest that doesnt really bother me as they are heavy loads and dont have the same acceleration plus most lorry drivers are fairly respectful
Agree..Drove the M1..M25..M4..M5 on Sunday..must have been a middle lane drivers convention!..what I find intriguing is why they do it..do they feel safe there or what?
Have you ever done a tactical driving course? cos that is what's reccommended as you give yourself options to get out of danger .............. "Not sure why I need a tactical driving course!..I as I'm sure the OP meanT, I am talking about middle lane drivers who insist in staying there mile after mile when there are no vehicles in the inside lane in sight and travelling at 70. | |||
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" So I would appreciate not being called an ignorant driver, when I fully understand the laws of driving. Obviously not if you think people should use the third lane because you can'#t be arsed to move out of lane 2." Why not? Its there for over taking? Also where did I say I sit in lane 2? I used an example, I have not once said this is how I drive and what I do | |||
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" So I would appreciate not being called an ignorant driver, when I fully understand the laws of driving. Obviously not if you think people should use the third lane because you can'#t be arsed to move out of lane 2. Why not? Its there for over taking? Also where did I say I sit in lane 2? I used an example, I have not once said this is how I drive and what I do "But you said you thought it was OK "There are 3 lanes, if someone is sat in the middle you can normally see them well in advance, so why not just get in the outside lane to overtake" | |||
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"Have to say i find the fact that you stopped in the middle of a roundabout and casually got out and examined your car, whilst increasing the chances of not only causing an accident but casuing injury to yourself a little worrying. By doing that you have also angered the bus driver which then affects his driving and could then lead to another accident. Certainly would not be my course of action. " You missed the point of the exercise, I got caught doing a perfectly normal manoeuvre by suddenly stopping traffic. bus driver was already out of order by being angry at a perfectly innocent issue. Had he been calm in 30 seconds it would have been all over as the traffic that trapped me cleared and I was able to move on. But because he was an arse I stepped out in stationary traffic, so was not in any danger, and held him up for at least double the time, countering his anger with calm piss taking that allowed me to enjoy his frustration, the alternative would have been to drag him out of the bus and pound his face in as I was indeed furious with him. To put the situation into another context if whilst making your way through a busy pub you accidentally knock someone elbow causing them to spill their drink, it can go one of two ways, they can accept your apology, in the knowledge that it was an accident of a crowded place or they can get aggressive jabbing the finger into your chest and shouting in your face. Which situation do you feel would give the best night out to both parties? | |||
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"God you guys have it great , you should see the idiots out here in Spain . Everyone drives in the middle lane of the 3 lane autovia and they all tailgate and also use the righthand lane to turn left on roundabouts. The standard of driving is shocking but roadrage is very rare. The British police would have a field day here " Ha ha went home to Perth years ago after a 15 year absence and omg the city motorways did my head in maybe 3 lanes and everyone doing the same speed at about I think 50 mph the speed limit in fear of the police radar traps everywhere,couldn't even overtake on outer lanes lol | |||
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" So I would appreciate not being called an ignorant driver, when I fully understand the laws of driving. Obviously not if you think people should use the third lane because you can'#t be arsed to move out of lane 2. Why not? Its there for over taking? Also where did I say I sit in lane 2? I used an example, I have not once said this is how I drive and what I do
But you said you thought it was OK
There are 3 lanes, if someone is sat in the middle you can normally see them well in advance, so why not just get in the outside lane to overtake"Oops, my apologies. So should I sit behind someone, flashing my lights to get them to move cos it's my lane? Or should I just move over and overtake? Dont get me wrong, I'm not a fan of people who hog the middle lane, I just move over when possible and overtake. It's not hard  | |||
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"Blimey no wonder there is so much road rage with the bickering going on here "Bend over I will drive you but I wont be able to guarantee it will be on a motorway. | |||
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"OP I accept that you don't ALWAYS flash your lights at middle lane users when you are behind them in the middle lane. Do you accept that someone driving down the middle lane overtaking fairly frequently and holding the speed limit as far as conditions allow is actually not necessarily in the wrong for being there? I know the Highway code says it's an overtaking lane, but it doesn't specify what the overtaking distance is. and your judgement of an acceptable space between overtakes may not be the same as others. More importantly, I quite enjoy your posts on this forum, so please don't get so wound up and frustrated on the road, as you can be damned sure it won't be the pensioner doing 71mph in the middle lane that has accidents and illness caused by stress "Lol hey look no offence taken its constructive debate and points well made
Often posts can come across as angry when in fact they are just points of view so if i do come across like that sometimes please forgive me if you knew me you would know im not like that lol
As said earlier good road sense and awareness are key and maintain safe conditions for everyone
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" More importantly, I quite enjoy your posts on this forum, so please don't get so wound up and frustrated on the road, as you can be damned sure it won't be the pensioner doing 71mph in the middle lane that has accidents and illness caused by stress
Lol hey look no offence taken its constructive debate and points well made
Often posts can come across as angry when in fact they are just points of view so if i do come across like that sometimes please forgive me if you knew me you would know im not like that lol
As said earlier good road sense and awareness are key and maintain safe conditions for everyone
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"Totally agree with you and I still think ppl who use there phone should have at least £500 fine sorry that's just me "orry aout thi ut ts ard to ext hile m riving | |||
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" More importantly, I quite enjoy your posts on this forum, so please don't get so wound up and frustrated on the road, as you can be damned sure it won't be the pensioner doing 71mph in the middle lane that has accidents and illness caused by stress
Lol hey look no offence taken its constructive debate and points well made
Often posts can come across as angry when in fact they are just points of view so if i do come across like that sometimes please forgive me if you knew me you would know im not like that lol
As said earlier good road sense and awareness are key and maintain safe conditions for everyone
I also apologise if I have come across mardy no offence intended "
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"OP I accept that you don't ALWAYS flash your lights at middle lane users when you are behind them in the middle lane. Do you accept that someone driving down the middle lane overtaking fairly frequently and holding the speed limit as far as conditions allow is actually not necessarily in the wrong for being there? I know the Highway code says it's an overtaking lane, but it doesn't specify what the overtaking distance is. and your judgement of an acceptable space between overtakes may not be the same as others. More importantly, I quite enjoy your posts on this forum, so please don't get so wound up and frustrated on the road, as you can be damned sure it won't be the pensioner doing 71mph in the middle lane that has accidents and illness caused by stress "if a pensior has accidents and illness that cause bad behaviour i would wanna knwo why they still have their license! i think everyone can relate to not being enough space to pull back before havign to pull out again. but i often have to deal with on the A3 people in the outside lane when there is nothing on either of the 2 lanes inside of them.. also so so many people in the middle lane when they are clearly not going any faster than the vehicle in the inside lane.. or there is no vehicle in the inside lane for as far as the eye can see! | |||
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"Totally agree with you and I still think ppl who use there phone should have at least £500 fine sorry that's just me sorry but that should be an instant ban car towed away and you can not get it back for 14 days"That sounds good to me | |||
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"They have plenty of camera's on the motorways now, maybe they should find a way of recognising a car and if its clocked going through say 2 camera's with a 2 mile gap between them in the middle lane an automatic fine is sent out ?? Just an idea lol
So just playing devils advocate for a moment, IF I sit in the middle lane for 2 miles doing 71MPH past 2 camera's and on both camera's you are sat behind me flashing your lights.
Do I get fined for being in the middle lane?
Do we both get fined for being in the middle lane??
or do I get away with it and you get fined for intending to break the speed limit???
Just wondering is all..."take responsibility for your own driving. as long as you stay with in the rules why worry about what others are doing.. if they wish to speed then thats on their own head.. | |||
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" I wouldn't call you a hogger. If it was busyish on part of the motorway and you were sat doing 50/60 mph in the middle lane, when the inside lane was clear, and no junction for a while, then I probably would call you a hog then. All this flashing of lights etc is a bit ott if you ask me. There are 3 lanes, if someone is sat in the middle you can normally see them well in advance, so why not just get in the outside lane to overtake instead of being an agressive driver?
Simple - and without wishing to be arrogant - what you haven't seen is that YOU are breaking the law by sitting in the middle lane (Rule 264, Highway Code). By travelling at under 63mph in an unrestricted vehicle, you are also committing an (albeit little known) offence of 'Failing to maintain a sufficient road speed' (it's the old 10% tolerance on speedometers, which has gone by the wayside these days now that we have electronically controlled speedos).
It's no surprise people don't 'get this' - we still don't include motorway driving in the driving test (which never ceases to astound me!) and people are, in general, ignorant of the rules covering driving on them.
I never said I do 50/60 mph, I was referring to an imaginery person doing that speed. I was giving an (extreme) example of what may be considered a hog.
Whilst I can not give you every law or section I do also know what I am talking about also.
I am an advanced driver and that includes high speed motorway driving and spent a few years working with police on the motorway.
So I would appreciate not being called an ignorant driver, when I fully understand the laws of driving.
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"There's also the fast lane hoggers... Why drive in them when there's no other traffic and at 70mph..... Hate motorway driving... They should fine them. And points on licence. Nd don't get me started on those that still insist on using mobile phones"
And also those who insist on driving right up your arse because you are over taking but keeping more or less to the speed limet , then go by you at 90 mph when you pull over.......... Makes me cross !!!!!
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" I never said I do 50/60 mph, I was referring to an imaginery person doing that speed. I was giving an (extreme) example of what may be considered a hog. Whilst I can not give you every law or section I do also know what I am talking about also. I am an advanced driver and that includes high speed motorway driving and spent a few years working with police on the motorway. So I would appreciate not being called an ignorant driver, when I fully understand the laws of driving. .... and breathe..... Sorry if you took my comments as being aimed at you personally - they were not. And I did not call YOU ignorant. Drivers in GENERAL are ignorant of the rules applying to motorway driving. To use your example, if I see someone sitting in Lane 2 doing 50-60mph ahead of me, with a clear lane to their left (and thus contravening Rule 264 of the HC) and I am in Lane 2 legally doing 70mph, who is in the wrong? If the driver ahead of me is failing to maintain enough care and attention by not checking his/her rear view mirror enough and is therefore unaware that a vehicle is approaching from behind (which may be in that lane because they have just over taken a line of slower moving vehicles) who, then is in the wrong? It is still the driver sitting in Lane 2, with a clear Lane 1 to their left, who has not moved over. And I respect your higher driving qualifications, but decline to state mine." I apologise if you thought I was ranting and bragging about my qualifications, I wasn't. I felt you had misinterpreted my original post and that I had no clue of motorway driving and that I was saying the person sat in the middle lane was in the right. I was not. Of course the person is wrong hence the new law allowing the police to issue on the spot fines. My point which wasn't clear was why not concentrate on your own driving instead of getting annoyed at someone who is hogging the middle lane, and to use the outside lane to overtake. My apologies again if people thought I was ranting, I was just trying to make a point of being more concerned over your own driving rather than others. | |||
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"Middle lane hoggers should be shot at dawn, not that iv got any strong opinions the subject" Do we shoot them in the middle or on the left | |||
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"Finally the government have seen fit to do something about people that hog the middle lane
They are the bane of my life lol so on the spot fines should be a good deterent lol
PS If you hog the middle lane on the M4 you may have seen me flas my lights at you to get the fook out the way lmao "so that you can then hog the middle lane instead of over taking.. | |||
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"They have plenty of camera's on the motorways now, maybe they should find a way of recognising a car and if its clocked going through say 2 camera's with a 2 mile gap between them in the middle lane an automatic fine is sent out ?? Just an idea lol "You could change lanes 2 or 3 times in that distance....move back to the middle lane to over take....so that won't work will it? | |||
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"If in the middle lane traveling at 70mph why should I keep changing lanes so that someone driving too fast can drive faster. If you want to get past me you would be exceeding the speed limit anyway, so why not move to lane 3 if you are that desperate to get past.....don't know how they expect to enforce it though, the Police no longer patrol the motorways in this area." Harold Finch from the Persons Of Interest will monitor it and John Reese will enforce!!! | |||
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"I drove back down the toll road one night and only saw one other car. He was driving in the middle lane and Im not quite sure who he was overtaking " Motorways late at night make great race tracks, try using all three lanes on the big long bends yeeha !!!! | |||
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"Delivering a load from Manchester to Livingstone Scotland and back last night, on the return leg at 3.00am there was a single car in the middle lane doing about 40mph, my truck was fully loaded and was doing 55mph in the 1st lane. My problems were:- I cannot overtake in the 3rd lane by law, my journey was planned so that after my driving time limit of 4.5 hours was reached I would be able to take a break at the only service area open at the time I would arrive, and If i undertake this car I would be breaking the law. I waited in the 1st lane and kept flashing my lights for 2-3 miles and they didnt move over, I pulled into the middle lane and they still didnt move so I moved back again too undertake and then they pulled in front of me again and we nearly collided, then I moved out to overtake and they pulled in front of me again. As I was transporting a high value load I could have interpreted their actions as an attempt to highjack my truck and phoned the police but I would need evidence so I let it go, It's become a common thing now to act like a prat whilst driving because they want to teach a trucker a lesson whilst at the same time proving that they themselves are ignorant about the law and their responsibilities to others on the road." well i suspect flashing your lights at them agrivatted them.. you should of just undertook them... if it was caught on camera, or if a copper had been following and noticed, it would of been seen as the only option you had and not your fault, it does say if a queue of traffic is moving slower in the outside lane to you then you can undertake.. well sound slike that guy was creating a one vehicle queue.. as for the needing the break thing, i dont think thats going to stand well as its your responsibility to make sure you take the needed breaks.. a break doesnt have to be in a service station does it.. | |||
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"what gets my goat is those inconsiderate drivers who pull over into the inside lane just as you're about to join the motor way! you should have to move to the middle lane as you approach an entry point..." a simple following of guidelines and there is no need to create more chaos by everyone moving into the middle lane Motorways may be joined from a roundabout or a main A road. Joining the A road or roundabout to the motorway is the slip road. The slip road is used to adjust your speed to fit in with the traffic already on the motorway. It's important that you do not impede the traffic on the motorway in any way as this increases the risk of accidents. As you enter the motorway slip road, try to assess the condition of the motorway you wish to join from as early as possible. Keep a keen eye for slow moving traffic that could indicate congestion at some point in the motorway. If the traffic seems to be free flowing, they will be driving at speeds of around 60 to 70 mph and this is the speed you will need to reach in order to join safely. Ensure you do not enter the motorway at a slow speed. This may seem safer for a nervous driver but is extremely dangerous. Whilst accelerating down the slip road, again, as early as possible, look at what traffic is approaching in the left lane - the lane you are going to join. You will need quick glances over your right hand shoulder to gain a good view of the approaching traffic, along with frequent glances ahead to keep a check on where you are going and also into your right hand mirror. This can seem difficult to all fit in due to the high speeds but constant, frequent and quick glances in all these areas are essential. The key is to keep assessing the traffic flow as you are accelerating down the slip road and to 'mark your spot'. Try and find a gap with plenty of room to fit your car in. Once you have marked your gap, you may need to accelerate more or slow down slightly to fit in. If the motorway is busy in the left lane, traffic will see you approaching and will often either slow down to allow a bigger gap for you to enter or they may move over a lane to let you in. Try to avoid at all costs stopping at the end of the slip road as it can be highly dangerous trying to enter the motorway from a stationary position. | |||
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"Delivering a load from Manchester to Livingstone Scotland and back last night, on the return leg at 3.00am there was a single car in the middle lane doing about 40mph, my truck was fully loaded and was doing 55mph in the 1st lane. My problems were:- I cannot overtake in the 3rd lane by law, my journey was planned so that after my driving time limit of 4.5 hours was reached I would be able to take a break at the only service area open at the time I would arrive, and If i undertake this car I would be breaking the law. I waited in the 1st lane and kept flashing my lights for 2-3 miles and they didnt move over, I pulled into the middle lane and they still didnt move so I moved back again too undertake and then they pulled in front of me again and we nearly collided, then I moved out to overtake and they pulled in front of me again. As I was transporting a high value load I could have interpreted their actions as an attempt to highjack my truck and phoned the police but I would need evidence so I let it go, It's become a common thing now to act like a prat whilst driving because they want to teach a trucker a lesson whilst at the same time proving that they themselves are ignorant about the law and their responsibilities to others on the road. well i suspect flashing your lights at them agrivatted them.. you should of just undertook them... if it was caught on camera, or if a copper had been following and noticed, it would of been seen as the only option you had and not your fault, it does say if a queue of traffic is moving slower in the outside lane to you then you can undertake.. well sound slike that guy was creating a one vehicle queue.. as for the needing the break thing, i dont think thats going to stand well as its your responsibility to make sure you take the needed breaks.. a break doesnt have to be in a service station does it.. " He would still have been braking the law by undertaking. I got stopped by the police for undertaking someone who was hogging the outside land on a 2 lane carriageway. They let me off though with a brief explanation of the law and basically admitted it was frustrating having a driver toddling along in the outside lane so they could understand why I done it. It probably helped that I was within the speed limit at the time. | |||
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"lets hope it goes further too, truckers who take 15 mins to pass another truck doing a 16th of a mph less than they are (grabs tin hat & hides) Lol to be honest that doesnt really bother me as they are heavy loads and dont have the same acceleration plus most lorry drivers are fairly respectful
Agree..Drove the M1..M25..M4..M5 on Sunday..must have been a middle lane drivers convention!..what I find intriguing is why they do it..do they feel safe there or what?
Have you ever done a tactical driving course? cos that is what's reccommended as you give yourself options to get out of danger .............. "why would a tactical driving course give you a different set of rules to everyone else? if you were to answer a question on your theory with that answer you would fail the question.. so you wouldnt even pass your basic driving test! no matter what type of driving test you take, bus, car, motorbike, lorry.. they all work around the highway code | |||
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"Delivering a load from Manchester to Livingstone Scotland and back last night, on the return leg at 3.00am there was a single car in the middle lane doing about 40mph, my truck was fully loaded and was doing 55mph in the 1st lane. My problems were:- I cannot overtake in the 3rd lane by law, my journey was planned so that after my driving time limit of 4.5 hours was reached I would be able to take a break at the only service area open at the time I would arrive, and If i undertake this car I would be breaking the law. I waited in the 1st lane and kept flashing my lights for 2-3 miles and they didnt move over, I pulled into the middle lane and they still didnt move so I moved back again too undertake and then they pulled in front of me again and we nearly collided, then I moved out to overtake and they pulled in front of me again. As I was transporting a high value load I could have interpreted their actions as an attempt to highjack my truck and phoned the police but I would need evidence so I let it go, It's become a common thing now to act like a prat whilst driving because they want to teach a trucker a lesson whilst at the same time proving that they themselves are ignorant about the law and their responsibilities to others on the road. well i suspect flashing your lights at them agrivatted them.. you should of just undertook them... if it was caught on camera, or if a copper had been following and noticed, it would of been seen as the only option you had and not your fault, it does say if a queue of traffic is moving slower in the outside lane to you then you can undertake.. well sound slike that guy was creating a one vehicle queue.. as for the needing the break thing, i dont think thats going to stand well as its your responsibility to make sure you take the needed breaks.. a break doesnt have to be in a service station does it.. He would still have been braking the law by undertaking. I got stopped by the police for undertaking someone who was hogging the outside land on a 2 lane carriageway. They let me off though with a brief explanation of the law and basically admitted it was frustrating having a driver toddling along in the outside lane so they could understand why I done it. It probably helped that I was within the speed limit at the time." there you go then.. they understood why you did it.. they didnt book you for it | |||
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"But they could have, I was still breaking the law according to them and they explained the only circumstances where you can undertake. If I hadn't been so friendly and polite etc with them I'm pretty certain they would have booked me. " if you arent polite they would book you just to get back at you.. | |||
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"If in the middle lane traveling at 70mph why should I keep changing lanes so that someone driving too fast can drive faster. If you want to get past me you would be exceeding the speed limit anyway, so why not move to lane 3 if you are that desperate to get past....." And this sort of ignorant attitude is the whole problem. | |||
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"Delivering a load from Manchester to Livingstone Scotland and back last night, on the return leg at 3.00am there was a single car in the middle lane doing about 40mph, my truck was fully loaded and was doing 55mph in the 1st lane. My problems were:- I cannot overtake in the 3rd lane by law, my journey was planned so that after my driving time limit of 4.5 hours was reached I would be able to take a break at the only service area open at the time I would arrive, and If i undertake this car I would be breaking the law. I waited in the 1st lane and kept flashing my lights for 2-3 miles and they didnt move over, I pulled into the middle lane and they still didnt move so I moved back again too undertake and then they pulled in front of me again and we nearly collided, then I moved out to overtake and they pulled in front of me again. As I was transporting a high value load I could have interpreted their actions as an attempt to highjack my truck and phoned the police but I would need evidence so I let it go, It's become a common thing now to act like a prat whilst driving because they want to teach a trucker a lesson whilst at the same time proving that they themselves are ignorant about the law and their responsibilities to others on the road." You had NO need to flash your lights at the car for '2-3 miles'. Rule 268 of the Highway Code applies in this instance. Once you have flashed the car no more than twice to let them know you are there (and flashing your lights means NO more than that) you are within the law to stay in lane 1, maintain your speed and pass the vehicle in Lane 2 PROVIDED.... you DO NOT cut in front of the vehicle in Lane 2 after passing. Most people do not know of, or understand the purpose of, Rule 268 which was brought in to alleviate congestion (when they should have been addressing the middle lane hogging issue anyway!) and anyone driving on a motorway should make sure they know it. I had a conversation with a Traffic Police Officer about this very situation a few months ago after I had been on a Speed Awareness Course. He, and his colleague, said that it comes down to the interpretation of the word 'Traffic' used in Rule 268. Traffic can be 100 vehicles or.. it can also mean 1. | |||
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"If in the middle lane traveling at 70mph why should I keep changing lanes so that someone driving too fast can drive faster. If you want to get past me you would be exceeding the speed limit anyway, so why not move to lane 3 if you are that desperate to get past..... And this sort of ignorant attitude is the whole problem." Well, in the future, they will be breaking the law and get a £100 fine. So job done. | |||
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"If in the middle lane traveling at 70mph why should I keep changing lanes so that someone driving too fast can drive faster. If you want to get past me you would be exceeding the speed limit anyway, so why not move to lane 3 if you are that desperate to get past..... And this sort of ignorant attitude is the whole problem. Well, in the future, they will be breaking the law and get a £100 fine. So job done. "Well you see you are breaking the law as much as the guy doing more than 70mph, according to the highway code you are supposed to overtake and then move back into the nearside lane, (1 lane for driving and 2 for overtaking) you should allow anyone travelling faster than you to overtake you, (no matter if you are doing 70mph in lane 2 you should always be in lane 1 except to overtake). By sitting in the middle lane at 70 whilst there is space for you to move into the n/s lane you will be guilty under the new rules, as you are not a member of the police services you are also not empowered to enforce the law, but are required to report any acts observed by you where and when safe to do so. Furthermore by actually stopping someone from speeding who may be doing so for a specific reason you may be contributing to road rage because in their eyes an interfering "busy body" is sticking their nose into something that does not concern them. Their reaction may mean their average speed increases and their sytle of driving become more aggressive and more likely to put others in danger. Best to just move over call them a w**ker and get on with your journey. | |||
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Coming up towards the end of the M3 but still on the 3 lane section was a small hatchback car ....... in the middle lane! Nothing else about except me! As I was in lane 1 and needed to pass I took what was (still is?) the old continental practise of indicate, headlights on and sound horn before I passed in lane 3 before moving back into lane 1. My reckoning was that the driver may have been asleep or something but I kept my eye on the mirror for as long as I could and that little hatchback stayed in lane 2. And yet the Highway Code says you drive on the LEFT except when overtaking a slower vehicle. | |||
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"Delivering a load from Manchester to Livingstone Scotland and back last night, on the return leg at 3.00am there was a single car in the middle lane doing about 40mph, my truck was fully loaded and was doing 55mph in the 1st lane. My problems were:- I cannot overtake in the 3rd lane by law, my journey was planned so that after my driving time limit of 4.5 hours was reached I would be able to take a break at the only service area open at the time I would arrive, and If i undertake this car I would be breaking the law. I waited in the 1st lane and kept flashing my lights for 2-3 miles and they didnt move over, I pulled into the middle lane and they still didnt move so I moved back again too undertake and then they pulled in front of me again and we nearly collided, then I moved out to overtake and they pulled in front of me again. As I was transporting a high value load I could have interpreted their actions as an attempt to highjack my truck and phoned the police but I would need evidence so I let it go, It's become a common thing now to act like a prat whilst driving because they want to teach a trucker a lesson whilst at the same time proving that they themselves are ignorant about the law and their responsibilities to others on the road. well i suspect flashing your lights at them agrivatted them.. you should of just undertook them... if it was caught on camera, or if a copper had been following and noticed, it would of been seen as the only option you had and not your fault, it does say if a queue of traffic is moving slower in the outside lane to you then you can undertake.. well sound slike that guy was creating a one vehicle queue.. as for the needing the break thing, i dont think thats going to stand well as its your responsibility to make sure you take the needed breaks.. a break doesnt have to be in a service station does it.. " On the breaks...you can't really just pull up anywhere in a HGV to take a break - they are pretty big and there are certain parking restrictions (which I don't know all of) which mean they do need to take their breaks in certain types of area's. Also, how much time should he spend driving such a large vehicle unnecessarily around an area he doesn't know to find a safe place he is allowed to park...all within his driving hours?! Not sure how many times there was flashing, so can't comment on that, however in this kind of circumstance I do feel a vehicle should be able to undertake as having two lanes of the motorway travelling at 40mph is also dangerous as approaching traffic may not realise how slow the vehicles are moving until the last minute if they are travelling at 70mph, and would probably assume the car in the middle lane was overtaking the truck. To the OP - I've had a few instances where I have had to pull out from the 1st lane to the 3rd lane to overtake someone in the 2nd lane when there is not another car in sight on the motorway (often when travelling back from meets late at night!)...is it really safe for me to have to keep performing that manoeuvre because of someone that can't be arsed to use the motorway correctly? Bring on the fines and hopefully people will start to use the motorway correctly...ie by keeping to the left and only pulling out to overtake. Yes, if the 1st lane is full of traffic and you are overtaking then it's fine to stay in the 2nd lane but when the next car in the 1st lane is a speck on the horizon you should pull in, then people hogging the 3rd lane can pull in too and those who want to speed can go on their merry way and get far away from me! | |||
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" Agree there is absolutely no need to use your phone now, with allsorts of handsfree options available and a lot of new cars having it built in there is just no need ! I have to use mine occasionally- so I can follow the recipie for the meal I have cooking on my camping stove in the passenger seat "that's no excuse you could have your recipe on an a4 piece of paper in the middle of your steering wheel | |||
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"Hey, to be honest I like the middle lane! I think I stay I there more than most, only because whenever I'm on the m1 there's a shit load of people driving 50-60, including an ice cream van last time, in the left lane and I can't be assed to waste my petrol going in and out of them! Why have two lanes for overtaking anyway? " just goes to show how ignorant people are , many vehicles coaches, hgv, caravans,and cars with trailers are not aloud in the 3rd lane so if you hog middle lane your causing a rolling road block of slow moving vehicles, then all faster traffic moves to outside lane and hey presto everyones fucked ? | |||
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"They have plenty of camera's on the motorways now, maybe they should find a way of recognising a car and if its clocked going through say 2 camera's with a 2 mile gap between them in the middle lane an automatic fine is sent out ?? Just an idea lol
So just playing devils advocate for a moment, IF I sit in the middle lane for 2 miles doing 71MPH past 2 camera's and on both camera's you are sat behind me flashing your lights.
Do I get fined for being in the middle lane?
Do we both get fined for being in the middle lane??
or do I get away with it and you get fined for intending to break the speed limit???
Just wondering is all..."you should get a ticket as middle lane is officialy an overtakeing lane if no one is on the inside lane you should use it regardless of speed | |||
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"you should get a ticket as middle lane is officialy an overtakeing lane if no one is on the inside lane you should use it regardless of speed " Yes that would be true, my question is should the person in the vehicle behind also get fined in that circumstance? they are also sat in the middle lane (both hypothetical vehicles are cars) and travelling within the upper reaches of the speed limit (79mph before it's an actual provable offence) | |||
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