FabSwingers.com forum: Is England finally getting some sense??

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have just heard on the news that the group Islam for uk is to be banned from Thursday

That is the group that threatened to march through Wootton Basset

Membership of the group after Thursday will result in a ten year prison sentence xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lets hope it comes to fruition and that the authorities impose the prison terms to the max.

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

I dont think its before time to be honest

If a group calling itself christians are us walked through bazra there would be uproar

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have just heard on the news that the group Islam for uk is to be banned from Thursday

That is the group that threatened to march through Wootton Basset

Membership of the group after Thursday will result in a ten year prison sentence xxx

Blimey! Do you think they read the forum thread from here?

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By *icelymarkedMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I think there is a secret Fabber working in the Home office!

Thank goodness someone has got some common sense.

It is also nice to know in this daft age of PC that so many of us share the same strong feelings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cant see it ever happening, thats not my thoughts on wether it should or not, i not going into my opinion on that lol

These are Muslims remember they think they own the fecking world and will fight to the death to be heard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bring back Hanging!!!!

Saturday afternoons in the town square, well its not like your missing anything interesting on the telly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These are Muslims remember they think they own the fecking world and will fight to the death to be heard"

No Richard Branson owns the world, somebody needs to tell them

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By *im53Man
over a year ago

Boldon

"Have just heard on the news that the group Islam for uk is to be banned from Thursday

That is the group that threatened to march through Wootton Basset

Membership of the group after Thursday will result in a ten year prison sentence xxx

Blimey! Do you think they read the forum thread from here?

mmmm think most of the gov would fit in here very well as they are all wankers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These are Muslims remember they think they own the fecking world and will fight to the death to be heard"

..that isn't my experience of Muslims I know, in fact quite the opposite.

This is what the Muslim Council of Gt Britain said about the Wooton Bassett issue:

"The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) echoes the sentiments expressed by Allison Bucknell, Mayoress of Wooton Bassett, and condemns the call by the fringe extremist group Islam4UK for their proposed march in Wootton Bassett. This group thrives on controversy and we will do well to ensure we do not grant them the oxygen of publicity they crave.

The overwhelming majority of British Muslims want nothing to do with such extremists. Like other Britons, Muslims are not opposed to Britain’s Armed Forces. Indeed, Muslims have made a deep and historic contribution to this nation’s defence, with over 2.5 million serving in the First and Second World Wars. The deaths of those in Afghanistan and other areas of conflicts are not only a concern amongst Muslims, it is shared by other British people, who do not resort to such sensationalist and divisive stunts."

Sadly the national media have little interest in publicising the views of mainstream Muslims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am pleased that the Home Office has found a modicum of common sense....at long last...I just hope they make sure this announcement is followed through and that the issue does not become some sort of rallying call for all extremist groups in the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These are Muslims remember they think they own the fecking world and will fight to the death to be heard

..that isn't my experience of Muslims I know, in fact quite the opposite.

This is what the Muslim Council of Gt Britain said about the Wooton Bassett issue:

Sadly the national media have little interest in publicising the views of mainstream Muslims.

sorry thought we was talking about the group in question not joe blogg muslim on the street

I know what your saying tho, i work with quite a few muslims and tho they will not mix with the none muslims at work, even so far as having their own table in the canteen, they are happy to just keep themselves to themsleves and get on with things, when i said these are muslims i ment the group not the whole religion

there is good and bad in all walks of life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

England and sense ??? naw lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"England and sense ??? naw lol

see thats my views on the subject lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lets hope it comes to fruition and that the authorities impose the prison terms to the max."

Doubt it - they let murderers walk can hardly see them locking these fanatics up. Now if YOU insult them however - make sure you have a good lawyer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NO .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oops just read the header and answered..

however read on... and ok get it now..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"oops just read the header and answered..

however read on... and ok get it now..

I agree with not allowing them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont think its before time to be honest

If a group calling itself christians are us walked through bazra there would be uproar"

Wrong!! You'd be dead before you took a step!! Besides you wouldn't be stupid too as you know the score. However these people hold no fear of any reprissals in this country that's why they can take the pee!!!

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Have just heard on the news that the group Islam for uk is to be banned from Thursday

That is the group that threatened to march through Wootton Basset

Membership of the group after Thursday will result in a ten year prison sentence xxx

So they change the name of their group and/or just do what the BNP often do to get around the law.

I preffer nutters to stand in the open so you know who they are.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"Have just heard on the news that the group Islam for uk is to be banned from Thursday

That is the group that threatened to march through Wootton Basset

Membership of the group after Thursday will result in a ten year prison sentence xxx

So they change the name of their group and/or just do what the BNP often do to get around the law.

I preffer nutters to stand in the open so you know who they are.

Agreed. It's much easier to deal with a target you can see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the problem is that underground groups are more dangerous than ones in the public eye. as a previous poster said the muslim community can be very closed to non muslims but surely if they know they have people like that lot amongst them they will report them to the relevant authorities?

well done the government though some common sense at last and long may it continue. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they will jsut change there name like they have the past two times,nothign new really just a very good pr stunt bu labour coming up for elections

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By *itchfieldMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth

"the problem is that underground groups are more dangerous than ones in the public eye. as a previous poster said the muslim community can be very closed to non muslims but surely if they know they have people like that lot amongst them they will report them to the relevant authorities?

well done the government though some common sense at last and long may it continue. xx"

History doesn't support that sadly. Even when the local populace hate terrorists/gangsters they're often afraid to report them to the police. Both the major christian churches have a history of not reporting their terrorists or paedophiles in their midst and in fact, going so far as to cover them up.

I seriously doubt Islam is any different. If it were the one they claim are 'fringe extremists' would not flourish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well we can only hope!

the one that tried to blow up the christmas day flight his father had reported him and his concerns so maybe more will if they think that the extremists have a hold on their child. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Re badge then re attack, the guy at the head of this group and the other group being banned are very clever individuals and have been part of the spearhead movement at the heart of this for years.

Until the gov't either lock them up or deport them their knowledge of the "system" allows them to run rings round it.

I don't know all the history but an article in the Guardian says these guys have been at "this" since the mid 80's, 25 years on and now we are banning them, not that much to cheer about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

choudry is a former solicitor, he will work someway round it. They should of banned the march yes but not the group they will just go underground now. Like i said it might get labour a few brownie points but that it, already about they have changed there name already for thursday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still get xmas card from combat 18...These things just dont go away...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" as a previous poster said the muslim community can be very closed to non muslims but surely if they know they have people like that lot amongst them they will report them to the relevant authorities?"

Thankfully that sounds like the case given recent experience.

The father of the wannabe Detroit bomber reported his own son to the authorities after he became concerned about his involvement in extremist Islam.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I still get xmas card from combat 18...These things just dont go away...

I once had a poster of me (& others) put up by C18 asking for information about us!

Might have had something to do with the grenade i dropped through the open pub window at a BNP meeting though

P.S. - It was de-activated, but they didn't know that....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry thought we was talking about the group in question not joe blogg muslim on the street

there is good and bad in all walks of life "

No probs NN, it just seemed from your earlier post that you were tarring all Muslims with the same brush!

Regards the second part of your post, I think our contact with Muslims is generally pretty positive, but we dont have those experiences hardwired into our psyche..so the few examples of them behaving badly is what shapes the general view.

Just this morning I encountered an Asian GP (I assumed he was Muslim) who was clearing snow from the pavement and his surgery driveway so his patients could get in to see him, he didnt think his efforts were any more remarkable than anyone elses, he was just doing his bit for the black, white and Asian community he serves.

Amen to your last statement, there's good & bad from all walks of life, Muslims dont have an exclusive on it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I still get xmas card from combat 18...These things just dont go away...

I once had a poster of me (& others) put up by C18 asking for information about us!

Might have had something to do with the grenade i dropped through the open pub window at a BNP meeting though

P.S. - It was de-activated, but they didn't know that...."

Ooooo Theres still a reward on ya head gonna split on you...Ner Ner...

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I still get xmas card from combat 18...These things just dont go away...

I once had a poster of me (& others) put up by C18 asking for information about us!

Might have had something to do with the grenade i dropped through the open pub window at a BNP meeting though

P.S. - It was de-activated, but they didn't know that....

Ooooo Theres still a reward on ya head gonna split on you...Ner Ner...

I had an 'interesting' youth....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I still get xmas card from combat 18...These things just dont go away...

I once had a poster of me (& others) put up by C18 asking for information about us!

Might have had something to do with the grenade i dropped through the open pub window at a BNP meeting though

P.S. - It was de-activated, but they didn't know that....

Ooooo Theres still a reward on ya head gonna split on you...Ner Ner...

I had an 'interesting' youth....

Do we know him?

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I still get xmas card from combat 18...These things just dont go away...

I once had a poster of me (& others) put up by C18 asking for information about us!

Might have had something to do with the grenade i dropped through the open pub window at a BNP meeting though

P.S. - It was de-activated, but they didn't know that....

Ooooo Theres still a reward on ya head gonna split on you...Ner Ner...

I had an 'interesting' youth....

Do we know him?

Oooh-er!

I'm not that lucky..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slightly saddened,

Let me explain, I already feel that the governments attempts at censorship of our thoughts and opinions are bordering on being too tight.

Just because you dont agree with someones views the answer is to ban them ( probably pointless in this example, as previously mentioned they will go underground not cease to exist)and underground is where the real extreme views flourish.They create even more of a "them and us" situation, and of course it is easier to monitor someone in full view than covertly.

There are already laws on what you can and cannot do in public, if an organisation/group/political party flouts those thaen the existing laws can be applied.

Any extreme view that is held up to open scrutiny and public debate usually ends up being watered down to garner support from the middle of the road majority,however if they meet underground and use false and inflammatory propoganda (that no one has the ability to hold to the true/false scrutiny that public view forces) then they can tell their followers anything.

Banning political/religious/even sexual orientation or alternative lifestyles has been VERY VERY popular in previous government,political regimes,totalitarian states over the years.

You are a woman therefore you cannot vote,or be entitled to an education ( UK in the past, some countries STILL today)

You are gay/bisexual you are deviant therefore are not entitled to the protection from the law or are entitled to the same rights as "normal" people. (UK in the past and to some extent still today, and several other countries currently).

You dont use the same church as us therefore you are wrong and can be arrested imprisoned without trial (or even mock trial with automatic guilty verdict) then burnt at the stake/or other torture type punishment until you " see the light and repent" ( most of the world either currently or in the past.)

You dont follow the same political party as us therefore you dont count,your voice cannot be heard and as such you are a non-person, no value so if you just vanish then no one will really notice/care, (ohh yes but if they do and mention it then they vanish also ) many,many dictatorships,hardcore political parties throughout the world in the past and some still today.

MOST of these scenarios are extreme but almost ALL started with a groundswell of opinion that the powerful jumped on and used to their own motivations, by the time the public noticed it was too late.

Luckily we dont live in a country like that, we live in one where our opinions count, and are allowed to express them.

RIGHT OR WRONG.

USE the current laws, dont start on the slippery slope, today "loony extremists" tomorrow, well we dont like your thoughts on open and semi-transparent government, a few days down the line, the thought police arrest your 4 year old child for not standing to attention and knowing all the words of the "party song" at nursery.

Guantanamo bay is shocking for kids 5th birthday party venues.

If you tolerate this your children will be next. Hmmmmm someone should write a song about that .

Anyway rant over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good post Nom de Plums-I find the BNP as equally offensive as Islam4uk, but would defend their rights and wouldnt support banning them either, for the reasons you've described.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

noms how much does guatananmo take per head for kids birthday parties i think we banned from every other venue lol!!!

jokin aside very good post but i still dont want to be ruled under islamic/shait excuse spelling law! the point is they will soon be back with a new name new ideas new members and still be wantin the full countries way changed to theirs. there are always goin to be some who wont intergrate with the other communities and who are hell bent on causing mayhem xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"but i still dont want to be ruled under islamic/shait excuse spelling law! the point is they will soon be back with a new name new ideas new members and still be wantin the full countries way changed to theirs."

Worry ye not-Muslims would require a majority political platform before you or I was ever in any danger of being ruled under sharia law and thankfully Choudary and his few acolytes just dont have that clout and never will do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ahhhhh I love the smell of a democracy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

good i dont fancy gettin stoned to death!! or not bein allowed to do this that and the next thing! x

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

99.9% of the population despise this outfit, that being said, it's better to have them facing us chanting their hate than to force them underground where they'll be less visible and probably more dangerous.

The Government is on very thin ice when it comes to censorship, we already have a nanny state, where were wrapped up in cotton wool and placed into a container, eventually, the container will explode.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

...Just because you dont agree with someones views the answer is to ban them ( probably pointless in this example, as previously mentioned they will go underground not cease to exist)and underground is where the real extreme views flourish.They create even more of a "them and us" situation, and of course it is easier to monitor someone in full view than covertly...

...Any extreme view that is held up to open scrutiny and public debate usually ends up being watered down to garner support from the middle of the road majority,however if they meet underground and use false and inflammatory propoganda (that no one has the ability to hold to the true/false scrutiny that public view forces) then they can tell their followers anything..."

Bingo!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

England??

Since when did Parliament become English??

Last i heard it was the United Kingdom??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"good i dont fancy gettin stoned to death!! or not bein allowed to do this that and the next thing! x"

..you mean like having the local swinging club banned by the government because the neighbourhood finds it offensive??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

would you like one on your doorstep? personally havin lived above a pub for many years i would rather have the swinging club less chance of a d*unken brawl or someone pissin in your plantpots or shaggin against your back wall!!

shiat whatever law would make homosexuality illegal or any sexual activity they consider not moral a stoning offence and i find that offensive.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"good i dont fancy gettin stoned to death!! or not bein allowed to do this that and the next thing! x

..you mean like having the local swinging club banned by the government because the neighbourhood finds it offensive??

Isn't it more likely a swing club that's been banned has been banned by the local authority (as opposed to the government)?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah they deal with licensing with guidelines from westminster as far as im aware? x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"good i dont fancy gettin stoned to death!! or not bein allowed to do this that and the next thing! x

..you mean like having the local swinging club banned by the government because the neighbourhood finds it offensive??

Isn't it more likely a swing club that's been banned has been banned by the local authority (as opposed to the government)?

Sorry I was playing with words Jim, drawing an ironic analogy between the 'government' banning something we dont like (Islam4uk) compared to the banning of something we do like (swinging) that a significant number of the population dont and might ban given the opportunity to do so..if you can follow that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the banning is because they have terrorist links and any group with them should be banned to compare a group hell bent on destruction and carnage to swinging i really dont see the comparisons???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"shiat whatever law would make homosexuality illegal or any sexual activity they consider not moral a stoning offence and i find that offensive."

Im not defending Sharia law, I find the excesses of it as offensive as you do (incidentally did you know there's been a sharia court in Leyton since 1982 that hasnt stoned or troubled anyone!), but we are under no threat of being governed by it, it only has a place in civil law in this country and then only for thise Muslims who buy into it, not all do-when they start to try to change that, I'll put my kinky jack boots on with the rest of you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ohhhhhhhh you never mentioned kinky jack boots!!!

Im gonna vote for you !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the banning is because they have terrorist links and any group with them should be banned to compare a group hell bent on destruction and carnage to swinging i really dont see the comparisons???

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Should we ban the BNP because they have links with Combat 18? Personally I dont think we should..we should censure people and organisations that commit criminal offences-that are provable.

If Choudary and his 'flock' incite hatred or acts of violence there are laws in place already to deal with that.

Banning only serves his purpose, it doesnt change what he thinks, it just gives him another spleen venting opportunity to shoot his mouth off about being persecuted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"shiat whatever law would make homosexuality illegal or any sexual activity they consider not moral a stoning offence and i find that offensive.

remember and polish them !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ohhhhhhhh you never mentioned kinky jack boots!!!

Im gonna vote for you !!!!

..you should see what Chox does with dubbin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the banning is because they have terrorist links and any group with them should be banned to compare a group hell bent on destruction and carnage to swinging i really dont see the comparisons???

Should we ban the BNP because they have links with Combat 18? Personally I dont think we should..we should censure people and organisations that commit criminal offences-that are provable.

If Choudary and his 'flock' incite hatred or acts of violence there are laws in place already to deal with that.

Banning only serves his purpose, it doesnt change what he thinks, it just gives him another spleen venting opportunity to shoot his mouth off about being persecuted."

ask me that once the bnp attempt to blow up a plane or subway or airport!!

i dont agree with them either i think they just racists in suits but i can understand why they are getting more members and no doubt islam4uk has just boosted their membership even more.xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ohhhhhhhh you never mentioned kinky jack boots!!!

Im gonna vote for you !!!!

..you should see what Chox does with dubbin

OMG ???????

Is that like muffin the mule????? Nooooooooooo,

Oohhhhhh wait you said dubbin, not Dobbin, phew, i'm sooooo relieved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the banning is because they have terrorist links and any group with them should be banned to compare a group hell bent on destruction and carnage to swinging i really dont see the comparisons???

Should we ban the BNP because they have links with Combat 18? Personally I dont think we should..we should censure people and organisations that commit criminal offences-that are provable.

If Choudary and his 'flock' incite hatred or acts of violence there are laws in place already to deal with that.

Banning only serves his purpose, it doesnt change what he thinks, it just gives him another spleen venting opportunity to shoot his mouth off about being persecuted.

ask me that once the bnp attempt to blow up a plane or subway or airport!!

i dont agree with them either i think they just racists in suits but i can understand why they are getting more members and no doubt islam4uk has just boosted their membership even more.xx"

right im going to get my head bit off here but here goes lol

I have to say i actually agree with a lot of what the BMP says and i dont see myself as racist, people seem to think that they want a white Brittan and would send everyone else back home but if you listern to them rather than what the media say they have said, they more what to stop people coming into the county and if they do to be able to support themslves not come over here homeless and pennyless, they say a lot of crap i dont agree with, but SOME of it makes sence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the banning is because they have terrorist links and any group with them should be banned to compare a group hell bent on destruction and carnage to swinging i really dont see the comparisons???

Should we ban the BNP because they have links with Combat 18? Personally I dont think we should..we should censure people and organisations that commit criminal offences-that are provable.

If Choudary and his 'flock' incite hatred or acts of violence there are laws in place already to deal with that.

Banning only serves his purpose, it doesnt change what he thinks, it just gives him another spleen venting opportunity to shoot his mouth off about being persecuted.

ask me that once the bnp attempt to blow up a plane or subway or airport!!

i dont agree with them either i think they just racists in suits but i can understand why they are getting more members and no doubt islam4uk has just boosted their membership even more.xx

right im going to get my head bit off here but here goes lol

Did you watch BNP Wives a few months back on Sky??

Some of what they say is tolerant but as people they came across as the most vile, arrogant, cowards and racist people i have ever seen.

Never done themselves any favours with that programme. Showed them in their true colours.

But i suppose all politicians are not whiter than white.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the banning is because they have terrorist links and any group with them should be banned to compare a group hell bent on destruction and carnage to swinging i really dont see the comparisons???

Should we ban the BNP because they have links with Combat 18? Personally I dont think we should..we should censure people and organisations that commit criminal offences-that are provable.

If Choudary and his 'flock' incite hatred or acts of violence there are laws in place already to deal with that.

Banning only serves his purpose, it doesnt change what he thinks, it just gives him another spleen venting opportunity to shoot his mouth off about being persecuted.

ask me that once the bnp attempt to blow up a plane or subway or airport!!

i dont agree with them either i think they just racists in suits but i can understand why they are getting more members and no doubt islam4uk has just boosted their membership even more.xx

right im going to get my head bit off here but here goes lol

you said what you felt and it takes a brave person to do that!!! the media feeds shit to the masses and what they want people to hear xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to take the thread off topic, but have you read the BNP's constitution NN?

This is a straight copy from Section 1, 2(b):

"The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the

British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948."

Note the words 'reversing' and 'legal changes'-In other words if non whites dont leave voluntarily, they will change the law to force them to leave so the ethnic landscape resembles one akin to pre 1948 (ie 99% white folks), they would also ban any form of mixed race relationship or fraternisation-that isnt a media created opinion, it's straight from their constitution, which was revised last year.

Even with that knowledge I would still not ban them or deny them a political platform, because I believe in the power of democracy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

surely they wouldnt have the power or concencus to deport british born or people who legally immigrated into the country or to be able to tell who whom they could have a relationship with and what about children of mixed race (i hate that term) couples it would be nigh on impossible surely?? x

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

On immigration they say (amongst other stuff) they'd introduce

"a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question".

How they'd deal with those who don't want to go isn't clear. Cattle trucks were used the last time.

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over a year ago

"surely they wouldnt have the power or concencus to deport british born or people who legally immigrated into the country or to be able to tell who whom they could have a relationship with and what about children of mixed race (i hate that term) couples it would be nigh on impossible surely?? x

Under current legislation, no, they dont have the power, that's why they say they'd implement legal changes to acquire that power..sorry it was a bit of a shock to me too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aren'tyou glad we all have a vote, aren't you glad we all have valid/valuable opinions, aren't you glad we all count.

Ave percentages of voter turnout lowest ever over the last few years.

If you do nothing, by the time you NEED to do something might it be too late ?

ahhhhhhh Democracy, it was good while it lasted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" On immigration they say (amongst other stuff) they'd introduce

How they'd deal with those who don't want to go isn't clear. Cattle trucks were used the last time."

They dont actually clarify where these 'generous financial incentives' are coming from or who is going to pay, but you can probably imagine a bit of a budget deficit that year! lol

As you say, they arent clear on how they will deal with those who dont leave voluntarily (which would obviously be the majority), I cant imagine anyone being tempted by a benign old man and a bag of sweets

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Having dealt with the BNP/C18 on numerous occasions, & seen their supporters chanting Sieg Heil and giving Nazi salutes, i can only shake my head when people say they are not Nazis, just looking out for British people.

They are fascists pure & simple.

Remember this though, the BNP did not win their Euro seats through a massive swing to their policies, but through the total collapse of the Labour vote. They did NOT win a massive number of votes no matter what they spin but rather won because the overwhelming majority of traditional Labour voters stayed home in disgust at New Labour.

I spent one Xmas eve having my face stitched back together by a vet after a run in with those nice boys from C18. They may have told their followers to grow their hair and ditch the bomber jackets but the same policies of hatred & anti-semitism are still there.

Interestingly, in the 80's the leader of the BNP John Tyndall was known to be in touch with Islamic terror groups because of their shared hatred of Judaism.

Some members of far-right groups were known to have attended training camps in Libya.

In Scotland they targetted Catholics because of the statistically low numbers of non-whites in Scotland.

Opportunistic thugs, with the old Nazi values of ant-semitism at heart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Under current legislation, no, they dont have the power, that's why they say they'd implement legal changes to acquire that power..sorry it was a bit of a shock to me too!"

i do vote but i dont vote for them i would lose too many good friends and a lot of their stuff doesnt make sense to me and seems to concentrate on stuff i dont find relevant! x

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