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"In all fairness someone firebombed a mosque that aint right either...." oh thats alright then. | |||
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"In all fairness someone firebombed a mosque that aint right either.... oh thats alright then." Why is it alright..?? | |||
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"there are some angry people and I understand that... " and ignorant also.. chuck in some good old fashioned bigotry and extremism and its a dangerous mix.. the graffiti attacks are disgusting as have been the 150 plus incidents against some of the muslim community who have been very restrained in the face of such .. | |||
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" I am thinking of organising a wear H4H t-shirts day this week but I haven't been able to speak to them about it yet." I think Michael Vaughn the old English cricket captain is trying to organise something similar lickety. | |||
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"C mon people we all need to understand one thing this is an situation that's been showing signs for some time ago we all gona see a lot backlash things gona get ugly a lot people in the uk are v angry with reason things gone too far those lunatics hv to learn a lesson for our own sake x"  | |||
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"C mon people we all need to understand one thing this is an situation that's been showing signs for some time ago we all gona see a lot backlash things gona get ugly a lot people in the uk are v angry with reason things gone too far those lunatics hv to learn a lesson for our own sake x" how do we spot the 'lunatics' by the way..? | |||
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" I am thinking of organising a wear H4H t-shirts day this week but I haven't been able to speak to them about it yet. I think Michael Vaughn the old English cricket captain is trying to organise something similar lickety. " Thanks - I'll try and follow up tomorrow. | |||
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"Some Idiot trying to stir tensions up even further. The behaviour of the EDF went beyond the gutter today with the football chanting at the place where Lee Rigby was murdered. The BNP and EDL are every bit as vile as the clerics stirring up hate in their communities. How I miss being young and going on raids on NF gatherings " EDF? Is the French energy company trying to create civil unrest? Bastards  | |||
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"None of this is right....Its not right that someone spray painted Islam on a war memorial..Its not right that someone firebombed a mosque..2 men killing someone aint right...But I will not tar everyone with the same brush as that will make me just as bad as the haters...I for one do not believe in hate...I belive that there are some angry people and I understand that... " Totally with you...can't understand the mentality of those who will attack a whole culture because of the actions of a few who happen to follow that faith. Daft thing is these people don't seem to realise that they are playing into the hands of the terrorists as they react exactly as expected and cause more unrest. As for the OP...whoever did it will be doing it for attention of some kind and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was someone like a member of the EDL to try to keep the tensions high  | |||
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" I am thinking of organising a wear H4H t-shirts day this week but I haven't been able to speak to them about it yet. I think Michael Vaughn the old English cricket captain is trying to organise something similar lickety. " Think this could be a mistake, h4h is a charity, and a bloody good one. They don't need the message used for political purposes. | |||
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" I am thinking of organising a wear H4H t-shirts day this week but I haven't been able to speak to them about it yet. I think Michael Vaughn the old English cricket captain is trying to organise something similar lickety. Think this could be a mistake, h4h is a charity, and a bloody good one. They don't need the message used for political purposes. " I will contact them tomorrow. They have made a political statement by publicly refusing the money from the EDL. My point isn't about politicising the charitable cause but I take your point. I just think that we have to take the heat out of the current madness and quiet, peaceful and almost benign action that can happen as you go about your daily tasks is the only way. Black socks and a t-shirt or something like that. I think people forget that there are black people in our armed forces too. | |||
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"Some Idiot trying to stir tensions up even further. The behaviour of the EDF went beyond the gutter today with the football chanting at the place where Lee Rigby was murdered. The BNP and EDL are every bit as vile as the clerics stirring up hate in their communities. How I miss being young and going on raids on NF gatherings " Exactly! Its just ironic how the people going round preaching bad things about islam are doing exactly what they're protesting against! Let's not forget either that just how many of these edl members are totally british? Chances are that somewhere along the lines they have descended from viking or roman invasions of england or when the irish came or anywhere really! I'm not that up on history but I would say britian hasn't always been a christian country either! | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv" Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. " And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power?" Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. | |||
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"i invite you all to view the FB video on British Patriots Society's videos page... These aren't members of EDL. This is from a town 5 miles away from me. The woman was arrested for carrying a Union Jack. If anyone can clarify the offence then please enlighten me....." Inciting hate? She was onviouslyt carrying the flag to cause a reaction. What was she saying also..? Simular to an intewrnet troll | |||
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"H4H has refused the cash offered to them by EDL. Good for them." Yeah, it's never easy for a charity to turn down money. But that's publicity they don't need nor want! | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. " That still doesn't answer what we do with british nationals? Plenty of homegrown peados and murders etc | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. " So the British nationals will be foisted on another country? There is no "where" on the planet to send people. Every "where" is another sovereignty/country/etc. This is a world problem not just a UK problem. | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. That still doesn't answer what we do with british nationals? Plenty of homegrown peados and murders etc" Its not up for me, you or the government to supply an answer be they British nationals or not. If you take away the guaranteed right of someone to reside here you then get people sticking more to the rules and respecting them. You often here people saying Jail is an easy stretch so why not take away the guaranteed comfort zone. | |||
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"so if i carry the flag on St Georges day...is that ok ??.. or would that offend ??... I flew a union jack when England played football... is it now an offence to fly/carry one in England.. ?, if so, can we please arrest the queen, i'm sure i saw one over her house at one point............" How was the flag being used? Carrying the Union Flag isn't an offence but inciting hatred and rioting is. I don't know what this woman was doing but carrying the flag can't have been all she was doing. I should be arrested for handing out all those flags last year. | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. So the British nationals will be foisted on another country? There is no "where" on the planet to send people. Every "where" is another sovereignty/country/etc. This is a world problem not just a UK problem." If people constantly break the rules, abuse other citizens and so on why should they have an automatic right to stay? Its their problem let them apply for citizenship in another country. On the other hand after 2 warnings they could stop being obnoxious undesirables and comply with the rules of the land if they wish to stay. Its not as though they don't have the choice is it? I mean over 50 million Britons do follow the rules with no problems so its not exactly hard to do so. | |||
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"What I don't get with this country is that people ( the politicians ) talk a lot but got no balls to kick out or silence those who are trying or thinking of causing chaos whether there are religious or any kind of group...Talk talk talk talk but no action. How can they let some poisonous minds rule in the name of Islam then come on national TV and say we are not supposed to blame the killing and attacks on Islam??? Rubbish. Call a cat a cat..." | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. So the British nationals will be foisted on another country? There is no "where" on the planet to send people. Every "where" is another sovereignty/country/etc. This is a world problem not just a UK problem. If people constantly break the rules, abuse other citizens and so on why should they have an automatic right to stay? Its their problem let them apply for citizenship in another country. On the other hand after 2 warnings they could stop being obnoxious undesirables and comply with the rules of the land if they wish to stay. Its not as though they don't have the choice is it? I mean over 50 million Britons do follow the rules with no problems so its not exactly hard to do so." They apply to go elsewhere and are refused. We send them where? There isn't another where. We have to find solutions here. | |||
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"What I don't get with this country is that people ( the politicians ) talk a lot but got no balls to kick out or silence those who are trying or thinking of causing chaos whether there are religious or any kind of group...Talk talk talk talk but no action. How can they let some poisonous minds rule in the name of Islam then come on national TV and say we are not supposed to blame the killing and attacks on Islam??? Rubbish. Call a cat a cat..." The reality is its not really Islamists its extremists who have gone far past deserving that title. And you can lump in the neo fascists along with them as they are all poisonous and have personal agendas and desire for power and control in reality. The cost to society is bad and we shouldn't let extremists corrupt people but then you would be limiting peoples right to expression no matter how heinous it is. | |||
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"so if i carry the flag on St Georges day...is that ok ??.. or would that offend ??... I flew a union jack when England played football... is it now an offence to fly/carry one in England.. ?, if so, can we please arrest the queen, i'm sure i saw one over her house at one point............ How was the flag being used? Carrying the Union Flag isn't an offence but inciting hatred and rioting is. I don't know what this woman was doing but carrying the flag can't have been all she was doing. I should be arrested for handing out all those flags last year." Watch the video... I'm usually the silent one who sits on the side but this has honestly shocked me. Please, watch the video and decide for yourself if this woman was honestly causing offence. Please bear in mind that there is no violence, screaming or shouting involved, in fact, the woman's condition if anything, is a little more eye opening..... | |||
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"We need to stop saying us and them and look at who's really inciting the hate and violence. A handful of people are responsible for polluting minds and those are the people who need to be dealt with." There is a programme on Ch4 later this week explaining why people are sheep. The few can control the many as long as others don't offer an alternative. I would rather offer an alternative to EDL, Islamic, Moonie or any other bullshit designed to stir up hatred. | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. So the British nationals will be foisted on another country? There is no "where" on the planet to send people. Every "where" is another sovereignty/country/etc. This is a world problem not just a UK problem. If people constantly break the rules, abuse other citizens and so on why should they have an automatic right to stay? Its their problem let them apply for citizenship in another country. On the other hand after 2 warnings they could stop being obnoxious undesirables and comply with the rules of the land if they wish to stay. Its not as though they don't have the choice is it? I mean over 50 million Britons do follow the rules with no problems so its not exactly hard to do so. They apply to go elsewhere and are refused. We send them where? There isn't another where. We have to find solutions here." In this fantasy scenario only the British have the power to deport it's dross and other sovereign states just open their borders right?!! Okie doke!  | |||
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"What I don't get with this country is that people ( the politicians ) talk a lot but got no balls to kick out or silence those who are trying or thinking of causing chaos whether there are religious or any kind of group...Talk talk talk talk but no action. How can they let some poisonous minds rule in the name of Islam then come on national TV and say we are not supposed to blame the killing and attacks on Islam??? Rubbish. Call a cat a cat... The reality is its not really Islamists its extremists who have gone far past deserving that title. And you can lump in the neo fascists along with them as they are all poisonous and have personal agendas and desire for power and control in reality. The cost to society is bad and we shouldn't let extremists corrupt people but then you would be limiting peoples right to expression no matter how heinous it is." It's just who they're corrupting: the country's youth. Looking for answers and finding none in their communities and desperate to belong. Just sad. | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. So the British nationals will be foisted on another country? There is no "where" on the planet to send people. Every "where" is another sovereignty/country/etc. This is a world problem not just a UK problem. If people constantly break the rules, abuse other citizens and so on why should they have an automatic right to stay? Its their problem let them apply for citizenship in another country. On the other hand after 2 warnings they could stop being obnoxious undesirables and comply with the rules of the land if they wish to stay. Its not as though they don't have the choice is it? I mean over 50 million Britons do follow the rules with no problems so its not exactly hard to do so. They apply to go elsewhere and are refused. We send them where? There isn't another where. We have to find solutions here." You are blinkered in the bigger picture the reality is we don't have to find them anything at all they have to apply for entry into another state. But like I said before if people are warned twice then continue to break the rules its their choice. If you remove the automatic right to reside in these isles peoples attitudes will change. | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. So the British nationals will be foisted on another country? There is no "where" on the planet to send people. Every "where" is another sovereignty/country/etc. This is a world problem not just a UK problem. If people constantly break the rules, abuse other citizens and so on why should they have an automatic right to stay? Its their problem let them apply for citizenship in another country. On the other hand after 2 warnings they could stop being obnoxious undesirables and comply with the rules of the land if they wish to stay. Its not as though they don't have the choice is it? I mean over 50 million Britons do follow the rules with no problems so its not exactly hard to do so. They apply to go elsewhere and are refused. We send them where? There isn't another where. We have to find solutions here. In this fantasy scenario only the British have the power to deport it's dross and other sovereign states just open their borders right?!! Okie doke! "Well you can be narrow minded but if the automatic right to stay was removed then attitudes of people would change as the fear of ejection would be a huge deterrent. | |||
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"What I don't get with this country is that people ( the politicians ) talk a lot but got no balls to kick out or silence those who are trying or thinking of causing chaos whether there are religious or any kind of group...Talk talk talk talk but no action. How can they let some poisonous minds rule in the name of Islam then come on national TV and say we are not supposed to blame the killing and attacks on Islam??? Rubbish. Call a cat a cat... The reality is its not really Islamists its extremists who have gone far past deserving that title. And you can lump in the neo fascists along with them as they are all poisonous and have personal agendas and desire for power and control in reality. The cost to society is bad and we shouldn't let extremists corrupt people but then you would be limiting peoples right to expression no matter how heinous it is. It's just who they're corrupting: the country's youth. Looking for answers and finding none in their communities and desperate to belong. Just sad. " Its not just the youth sadly but I wouldn't disagree there isn't enough being done to make people feel part of society at times. It won't change sadly though as it would cost and there seems to be a reluctance to invest in people this way. | |||
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"What I don't get with this country is that people ( the politicians ) talk a lot but got no balls to kick out or silence those who are trying or thinking of causing chaos whether there are religious or any kind of group...Talk talk talk talk but no action. How can they let some poisonous minds rule in the name of Islam then come on national TV and say we are not supposed to blame the killing and attacks on Islam??? Rubbish. Call a cat a cat... The reality is its not really Islamists its extremists who have gone far past deserving that title. And you can lump in the neo fascists along with them as they are all poisonous and have personal agendas and desire for power and control in reality. The cost to society is bad and we shouldn't let extremists corrupt people but then you would be limiting peoples right to expression no matter how heinous it is. It's just who they're corrupting: the country's youth. Looking for answers and finding none in their communities and desperate to belong. Just sad. Its not just the youth sadly but I wouldn't disagree there isn't enough being done to make people feel part of society at times. It won't change sadly though as it would cost and there seems to be a reluctance to invest in people this way." It would cost but we spend more dealing with the problem once it's occurred. | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. So the British nationals will be foisted on another country? There is no "where" on the planet to send people. Every "where" is another sovereignty/country/etc. This is a world problem not just a UK problem. If people constantly break the rules, abuse other citizens and so on why should they have an automatic right to stay? Its their problem let them apply for citizenship in another country. On the other hand after 2 warnings they could stop being obnoxious undesirables and comply with the rules of the land if they wish to stay. Its not as though they don't have the choice is it? I mean over 50 million Britons do follow the rules with no problems so its not exactly hard to do so. They apply to go elsewhere and are refused. We send them where? There isn't another where. We have to find solutions here. In this fantasy scenario only the British have the power to deport it's dross and other sovereign states just open their borders right?!! Okie doke! "Therein lies the problem! It would be deemed a breach of civil rights to abandon the twats either slap bang in the middle of the saharaor quite close to the south pole. Both of which would be ideal locations for them to spout their own bollocks to eachother whilst dehydrating/freezing to death -but both sadly owned by someone else! | |||
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"So I just read that someone has spray painted "Islam" on two war memorials in London. Regardless of if it was some muslim protesters or some idiots trying UK start a fight, it's still disgusting. Hope they are caught on cctv Well as long as we don't start burning Islamic flags and effigies of religious leaders as has happened when cartoons about Allah were printed in papers. You have to question why people do such things, and its not one sided it comes from multiple beliefs and rally points. Its a real shame we can't eject such people from the British Isles no matter what colour race or belief they have. And put them where exactly? Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted? Who do we colonise or annex to make that possible? What happens when there are so many of them that they become the economic super power? Where? Who cares there should be a charter set up by the government for all to live by. People would get a warning or possibly 2 but if they have no intention to living up to it then you take away their right to reside in this country. Landlords can do it with tenants from hell so why not residents of the British isles. They can apply to another country to take them in its up to them they had their chance. So the British nationals will be foisted on another country? There is no "where" on the planet to send people. Every "where" is another sovereignty/country/etc. This is a world problem not just a UK problem. If people constantly break the rules, abuse other citizens and so on why should they have an automatic right to stay? Its their problem let them apply for citizenship in another country. On the other hand after 2 warnings they could stop being obnoxious undesirables and comply with the rules of the land if they wish to stay. Its not as though they don't have the choice is it? I mean over 50 million Britons do follow the rules with no problems so its not exactly hard to do so. They apply to go elsewhere and are refused. We send them where? There isn't another where. We have to find solutions here. In this fantasy scenario only the British have the power to deport it's dross and other sovereign states just open their borders right?!! Okie doke!
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It would be deemed a breach of civil rights to abandon the twats either slap bang in the middle of the saharaor quite close to the south pole.
Both of which would be ideal locations for them to spout their own bollocks to eachother whilst dehydrating/freezing to death -but both sadly owned by someone else! "It might be but if you remove peoples right to reside in Britain you would have 90% or maybe even a lot more sticking to the rules before the final warning. On the other hand a few thousand prefabs on South Georgia and they are away. | |||
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" Therein lies the problem! It would be deemed a breach of civil rights to abandon the twats either slap bang in the middle of the saharaor quite close to the south pole. Both of which would be ideal locations for them to spout their own bollocks to eachother whilst dehydrating/freezing to death -but both sadly owned by someone else! It might be but if you remove peoples right to reside in Britain you would have 90% or maybe even a lot more sticking to the rules before the final warning. On the other hand a few thousand prefabs on South Georgia and they are away. " France had Devil's Island (South America). We've got, erm, the Falklands. Would that do or might that create another problem? | |||
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" Therein lies the problem! It would be deemed a breach of civil rights to abandon the twats either slap bang in the middle of the saharaor quite close to the south pole. Both of which would be ideal locations for them to spout their own bollocks to eachother whilst dehydrating/freezing to death -but both sadly owned by someone else! It might be but if you remove peoples right to reside in Britain you would have 90% or maybe even a lot more sticking to the rules before the final warning. On the other hand a few thousand prefabs on South Georgia and they are away. France had Devil's Island (South America). We've got, erm, the Falklands. Would that do or might that create another problem?" You might get the odd Argentinian objection!! | |||
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" Therein lies the problem! It would be deemed a breach of civil rights to abandon the twats either slap bang in the middle of the saharaor quite close to the south pole. Both of which would be ideal locations for them to spout their own bollocks to eachother whilst dehydrating/freezing to death -but both sadly owned by someone else! It might be but if you remove peoples right to reside in Britain you would have 90% or maybe even a lot more sticking to the rules before the final warning. On the other hand a few thousand prefabs on South Georgia and they are away. France had Devil's Island (South America). We've got, erm, the Falklands. Would that do or might that create another problem? You might get the odd Argentinian objection!! " We ignore them so that shouldn't be a problem. | |||
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"You tube videos are only posted to portray what the poster wants us to believe "The truth! Never get your information from just one source and don't believe everything you see on YouTube, read in the papers or the bloke down the pub tells you. | |||
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""Do we need one country designated for the whole world to put its unwanted?".......... Welcome to England... land of free housing and lots of benefits. Just sign on the " i will be killed if i go home" form and we'll provide all you 'll need. " | |||
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The truth! Never get your information from just one source and don't believe everything you see on YouTube, read in the papers or the bloke down the pub tells you."I am grateful to the poster for the link. | |||
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"so if i carry the flag on St Georges day...is that ok ??.. or would that offend ??... I flew a union jack when England played football... is it now an offence to fly/carry one in England.. ?, if so, can we please arrest the queen, i'm sure i saw one over her house at one point............ How was the flag being used? Carrying the Union Flag isn't an offence but inciting hatred and rioting is. I don't know what this woman was doing but carrying the flag can't have been all she was doing. I should be arrested for handing out all those flags last year. Watch the video... I'm usually the silent one who sits on the side but this has honestly shocked me. Please, watch the video and decide for yourself if this woman was honestly causing offence. Please bear in mind that there is no violence, screaming or shouting involved, in fact, the woman's condition if anything, is a little more eye opening....." the flag had written "no more mosques" on it.. she was also arguing with any muslims that came along.. as for her condition.. why would she put herself in the position if she was pregnant! Britian is based on immigration over the years.. many years.. how many of these members of edl etc are decendants of the roman and viking invasions or when the irish came and settled? has britian from the beginning of time always been christian? it certainly hasnt always been church of england! why can we not learn that there is only one race and thats the human race | |||
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"None of this is right....Its not right that someone spray painted Islam on a war memorial..Its not right that someone firebombed a mosque..2 men killing someone aint right...But I will not tar everyone with the same brush as that will make me just as bad as the haters...I for one do not believe in hate...I belive that there are some angry people and I understand that... " | |||
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"Seems like there were more policemen in this video than on the street of Woolwich where an innocent hero has been killed "Because this wasn't a random act - but a preplanned 'demonstration'. The police were aware of the activity and were there to prevent potential violence. No comparison can or should be made to Woolwich. And in response to the previous posters who believe the crap that went viral on the net about the woman with the flag - here's the statement released by GMP. "GMP did not arrest a pregnant woman during tensions in Oldham yesterday, and no Union Flag was confiscated from her. Chief Superintendent Catherine Hankinson said: “Yesterday (Saturday) afternoon, police became aware that a number of people had gathered in Oldham town centre who were shouting and had flags, some of which were provoking passersby. “As a result there were tensions and some minor disorder. “While we will always allow and help facilitate peaceful protest, we felt that the actions of these people threatened our community cohesion, so it was our duty to do all we could prevent tensions from escalating. “Officers dealing with this altercation saw that a woman had a Union Flag and another flag which was highly inappropriate and in our view solely designed to further inflame tensions. “This woman was therefore taken to one side, the second flag was taken from her and she understood that the flag was causing offence. “At no point was she arrested, or did she have her Union Flag confiscated from her.” | |||
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"Seems like there were more policemen in this video than on the street of Woolwich where an innocent hero has been killed" did you actually think that through before posting it.. 
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"Seems like there were more policemen in this video than on the street of Woolwich where an innocent hero has been killed
Because this wasn't a random act - but a preplanned 'demonstration'. The police were aware of the activity and were there to prevent potential violence. No comparison can or should be made to Woolwich.
And in response to the previous posters who believe the crap that went viral on the net about the woman with the flag - here's the statement released by GMP.
"GMP did not arrest a pregnant woman during tensions in Oldham yesterday, and no Union Flag was confiscated from her.
Chief Superintendent Catherine Hankinson said: “Yesterday (Saturday) afternoon, police became aware that a number of people had gathered in Oldham town centre who were shouting and had flags, some of which were provoking passersby.
“As a result there were tensions and some minor disorder.
“While we will always allow and help facilitate peaceful protest, we felt that the actions of these people threatened our community cohesion, so it was our duty to do all we could prevent tensions from escalating.
“Officers dealing with this altercation saw that a woman had a Union Flag and another flag which was highly inappropriate and in our view solely designed to further inflame tensions.
“This woman was therefore taken to one side, the second flag was taken from her and she understood that the flag was causing offence.
“At no point was she arrested, or did she have her Union Flag confiscated from her.”
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"Seems like there were more policemen in this video than on the street of Woolwich where an innocent hero has been killed did you actually think that through before posting it..
if law enforcement could predict crime that would be good.."he means when it had actualy happened, not before it had happened. | |||
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"it really is not right that police took the flag. They may not have liked what it said but that is the essence of free speech. Anywayis it right that the police set themselves up as the arbiters of what is acceptable or not? What sort of society are we becoming?" The police don't. They act in the appropriate way to uphold the law - including making judgement calls as to the best way to diffuse potentially violent escalations in situations where one side is attempting to goad the other - be that with words, physical actions, signs or in this case - a flag! There is a big difference between peaceful protest and demonstration and mindless idiots trying to stir uo trouble on their own doorstep. | |||
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"Seems like there were more policemen in this video than on the street of Woolwich where an innocent hero has been killed did you actually think that through before posting it..
if law enforcement could predict crime that would be good..
he means when it had actualy happened, not before it had happened."they were on the scene within 9 minutes of a 999 call. Do you really expect police officers to be on every street, every hour of the day. Sorry but that's a bit ridiculous. | |||
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"Seems like there were more policemen in this video than on the street of Woolwich where an innocent hero has been killed did you actually think that through before posting it..
if law enforcement could predict crime that would be good..
he means when it had actualy happened, not before it had happened."really.. so how would that work then..? unless we want one standing every 100 yards or so.. | |||
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"it really is not right that police took the flag. They may not have liked what it said but that is the essence of free speech. Anywayis it right that the police set themselves up as the arbiters of what is acceptable or not? What sort of society are we becoming?" dont talk daft, of course its right they took it if in their professional opinion as per statute it was offensive etc.. would you be happy for a flag to be carried outside a primary school extolling under age sex..? because some would deem it ok to have that view does not make it acceptable or lawful.. | |||
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"Obi...the police should uphold peoples right to free speech. If anyone reacts violently to what someohes said then the police should arrest the violent person" I guess you're not aware of the law relating to this then? "The Public Order Act 1986 contains the offences of inciting or stirring up racial hatred. It prohibits the use of threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displaying any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting with the intention of stirring up racial hatred or where racial hatred is likely to be stirred up. Racial hatred is defined as hatred against a group of persons in the United Kingdom defined by reference to colour, race, nationality - including citizenship - or ethnic or national origins." The emphasis in this case is "displaying written material" "where racial hatred is likely to be stirred up". Did they seriously think a flag with the words "No More Mosques" would not cause offence and be likely to result in violence? As I previously said - mindless idiots! | |||
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"Surrey...what you are saying amounts to tyrannical power for the police because they would then be able to predict what could lead to trouble. Our police could not be trusted like that and nor should they. E far too easy for them just to silence dissent" can i refer you to Obi's excellent post Adrian.. we are not talking about state oppression here like other countries, this is about keeping a lid on at a time where some fuckwits would do anything to get a reaction.. the 'demo' was allowed and it was Policed.. | |||
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"Obi...neither you nor I may like the 'no more mosques' sentiment but it is someones opinion. In a democracy it should be allowed and the Public Order Act sect five is an outrage to any democrat" But it is enticing racial hatred so it should not and is not allowed. | |||
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"Obi...neither you nor I may like the 'no more mosques' sentiment but it is someones opinion. In a democracy it should be allowed and the Public Order Act sect five is an outrage to any democrat" In a democracy opinions are valid, yes. But those that are aired in public with the intention of causing trouble are not. I'm a great believer in free speech and believe it or not we have possibly the most lenient rules regarding public demonstrations/protest compared to many countries worldwide - not just the usual suspects of China, the Middle East and Asia - but also mainland Europe! But when people choose to abuse these freedoms with the intention of causing public disorder and to express offensive, racist or hateful opinions then as far as i'm concerned the police can step in a soon as they like! | |||
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"Sadly reading through this thread, I almost get the feeling some people commenting here are hoping there will be some kind of civil disorder in retaliation to recent events….!. "Not in my name springs to mind.. for the vast majority of us in this country, i believe that thought will prevail.. | |||
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"Sadly reading through this thread, I almost get the feeling some people commenting here are hoping there will be some kind of civil disorder in retaliation to recent events….!.
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"Obi...you say you accept free speech. But you say it mustnt be aired publicy. Think of the tyranny implicit in that" | |||
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"Obi...you say you accept free speech. But you say it mustnt be aired publicy. Think of the tyranny implicit in that" There's a difference between airing an opinion or viewpoint in an intelligent, lawful and peaceful manner - whether public or private - and spouting hate and deliberately inciting civil unrest and violence. And if you can't tell the difference between the two then i'd suggest reading up on the law. It's there to protect both sides - the protestors and the general public. Not to side with anyone. | |||
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"Obi...you say you accept free speech. But you say it mustnt be aired publicy. Think of the tyranny implicit in that There's a difference between airing an opinion or viewpoint in an intelligent, lawful and peaceful manner - whether public or private - and spouting hate and deliberately inciting civil unrest and violence. And if you can't tell the difference between the two then i'd suggest reading up on the law. It's there to protect both sides - the protestors and the general public. Not to side with anyone."
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"Can I ask When will these threads end ?? Don't you think the more fuel you add to the fire the more it burns ... " Could be worse. Maggie Thatcher could have had a 2nd coming | |||
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"Obi...you say it is OK to 'argue intelligently' but not to 'spout'. Are we coming down just to definitions? Ho do we define these concepts? Who is to make them? Me? You?" Yes. The definitions according to the law. It really is common sense too - but as that seems to be lacking in certain posts on this thread i'm calling it a day. And Floro - sadly I think you're right. Seems that as in day to day life there's plenty on site that like to stoke the flames rather than look at things with a sense of empathy, understanding and intelligence. | |||
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"How do you define 'inciting'? What if someone just does not like immigration? That is a genuine matter for public polic debate. Should that person be silenced by the police? That would be wrong and create a pressure cooker. Is that what yo want?" I define 'inciting' by having "No more mosques" scrawled on a flag. If someone does not like immigration, that that is up to them, but walking around with a banner saying no more blacks/asians/americans etc etc, then I see that as trying to cause a backlash, which the woman with the flag tried to achieve. There is a massive difference between having a civilised political debate in the right setting and to having a protest with chanting "No more Mosques" and other choice chants that the delights of the EDL etc like to shout. I am not saying people should not protest nor have a discussion on their political affiliations, I am saying the police were right to remove the flag. | |||
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"Obi...you say you accept free speech. But you say it mustnt be aired publicy. Think of the tyranny implicit in that There's a difference between airing an opinion or viewpoint in an intelligent, lawful and peaceful manner - whether public or private - and spouting hate and deliberately inciting civil unrest and violence. And if you can't tell the difference between the two then i'd suggest reading up on the law. It's there to protect both sides - the protestors and the general public. Not to side with anyone." Which is fine, but putting the power to decide into the hands of a police force that have shown themselves to be anything but impartial is a mistake IMO. The fact that the hate preachers like Choudray are allowed to spread their poison without fear of repercussions, because the police are too frightened to act, just makes matters worse. | |||
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"Hels...but you are saying precisely that. You nod in the direction of free speech by accepting that people are right to have thir thoughts but you spoil it by saying that they must not express them. You then confuse things frther by saying it is right for people to have political conversations...despite having earlier said the opposite" Apologies for the confusion. What I'm trying to say is there is a time and a place for political discussion, for example a political rally (or whatever it's called) or Question Time etc. There should not be any room for people to spout racist comments in any situation. I personally find it completely offensive from any race! I am saying there is a right to freedom of speech, but there is a law that is there to stop people from spouting racial hatred, and I totally agree with that as it works on both sides. Unfortunately, the is a lot of red tape surrounding the freedom of speech, so the likes of Choudry (not sure on spelling) and Tommy Robinson manage to evade being arrested and sent to prison because of the aforementioned red tape. Hope that makes sense. | |||
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" The sect five offence we are discussing here serves only to stop citizens having discussions that the authorities do not want us to have.Society belongs to its citizens not the police who are merely our servants To say that discussion is OK om Questiontime but ot elsewere shows tyranny" But it's not discussions is it? It's protests, the majority of them are peaceful and legal, it just so happens a select few decide to join them just for a fight or to antagonise, and yes I'm glad that those are dealt with by the police. So if that's tyranny then I am all for it. | |||
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"Hels...so if we have a discussion and you decide that I must be silenced...you threaten to shoot me.Simply because you dont like what I say. Should w e end free speech because what have said has prompted you to want to shoot me? Surely the crime is yours ...the police should arrest you for violence and not me. Presumably I should have to forecast what you reaction sould be. What if you are unreasonable should I be the one to end up in jail?" That's just it though, isn't it? Some behaviours, the shaping of some words, can lead to quite accurate predictions/forecasts that the reaction will be troubled, possibly violent. We don't say everything in our heads, we censor what we say in order not offend people. Or does the freedom of speech argument mean that we now just spout the first words that come to mind as hang the consequences? | |||
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"Seems like there were more policemen in this video than on the street of Woolwich where an innocent hero has been killed" Firstly....he was not a 'hero', he was a serving British soldier who was murdered, that doesn't make him a hero....a hero is someone who does something heroic, an act above and beyond the call of duty in the case of a member of the armed forces, he was a VICTIM of a cold blooded murder. He was the victim of the most horrific and despicable crime, one that has saddened me deeply as it was disgusting to see on our streets. A soldier who ventures into a minefield of IED's in Afghanistan, not Once but Two times to carry out wounded comrades on his back....now that is a hero. Secondly, are you REALLY suggesting that we have enough serving police officers to be on every street corner in London?.....because you really have no idea. | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! " | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! " David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! Stephen Lawerence..... " He was murdered 20 years ago His death was tragic and unjustifiable But to blame the EDL ? As I said keep in perspective | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they "Lol | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they
Lol"tell me just what is funny about someone giving a Nazi salute.. ? having visited Bergen Belsen i really found it the least funny experience of my life.. | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they
Lol"What's so funny ? | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! Stephen Lawerence..... He was murdered 20 years ago His death was tragic and unjustifiable But to blame the EDL ? As I said keep in perspective " I think as someone stated the nail bomber.... | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they
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What's so funny ? "UKIP ultra extremists !!! | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they
Lol
What's so funny ?
UKIP ultra extremists !!! "So you wouldn't consider a nazi to be an ultra extremist ? | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! Stephen Lawerence..... He was murdered 20 years ago His death was tragic and unjustifiable But to blame the EDL ? As I said keep in perspective I think as someone stated the nail bomber.... " BNP was stated and your clutching at straws if you are trying to say the EDL are ULTRA extremists , they maybe one day who knows but not yet | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! Stephen Lawerence..... He was murdered 20 years ago His death was tragic and unjustifiable But to blame the EDL ? As I said keep in perspective I think as someone stated the nail bomber.... BNP was stated and your clutching at straws if you are trying to say the EDL are ULTRA extremists , they maybe one day who knows but not yet " excuse me but that was not my quote .. Its not about clutching as straws its about facts... | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they
Lol
What's so funny ?
UKIP ultra extremists !!!
So you wouldn't consider a nazi to be an ultra extremist ? "Members of the nazi party are in UKIP ? You have proof | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! Stephen Lawerence..... He was murdered 20 years ago His death was tragic and unjustifiable But to blame the EDL ? As I said keep in perspective I think as someone stated the nail bomber.... " Your quote is above and that is what my post was aimed at | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! " I think marching down our streets giving 'Nazi' salutes and singing racist and anti-Semitic songs classes them as ultra extremists yes, it's not where an extremist group ends up in history...it's how they grow and evolve into the end product. | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they
Lol
What's so funny ?
UKIP ultra extremists !!!
So you wouldn't consider a nazi to be an ultra extremist ?
Members of the nazi party are in UKIP
? You have proof
"Now you're just being silly. | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! I think marching down our streets giving 'Nazi' salutes and singing racist and anti-Semitic songs classes them as ultra extremists yes, it's not where an extremist group ends up in history...it's how they grow and evolve into the end product. " So what would you call groups that kill and maim on a daily basis as in Iraq I call that ultra | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! I think marching down our streets giving 'Nazi' salutes and singing racist and anti-Semitic songs classes them as ultra extremists yes, it's not where an extremist group ends up in history...it's how they grow and evolve into the end product. So what would you call groups that kill and maim on a daily basis as in Iraq I call that ultra " I call them armed militia.....which is what they are called by NATO by the way | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they
Lol
What's so funny ?
UKIP ultra extremists !!!
So you wouldn't consider a nazi to be an ultra extremist ?
Members of the nazi party are in UKIP
? You have proof
Now you're just being silly.
"You brought Nazis into this which was ridiculous and "maybe the EDL are football hooligans " another of your quotes You are not guilty on maybes ! | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they
Lol
What's so funny ?
UKIP ultra extremists !!!
So you wouldn't consider a nazi to be an ultra extremist ?
Members of the nazi party are in UKIP
? You have proof
Now you're just being silly.
You brought Nazis into this which was ridiculous and "maybe the EDL are football hooligans " another of your quotes
You are not guilty on maybes !
"My fault I misspelt it. I meant many EDL members have confictions for hooliganism , football or otherwise. And I thought giving a nazi salute was a form of ultra extremism which is what you asked for. | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! " The question should not be how many have they... it should be how many would the typical EDL dickhead 'like to' make if they had the sufficient mental capacity to follow the instructions? | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! The question should not be how many have they... it should be how many would the typical EDL dickhead 'like to' make if they had the sufficient mental capacity to follow the instructions?" Lets lock them all up then just incase with all religious extremists and extreme left wingers or anyone that may do something . The streets will be empty . You can not condemn with ifs buts and maybes that may well lead to tyranny and be ultra extreme | |||
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"EDL ultra extremists , really ? How many people have they killed ? How many bombs have they discharged ? Keep things in perspective! David Copeland the London nail bomber was in the BNP. Maby EDL members have confuctions for hooliganism. UKIP members have been photographed giving nazi salutes. They never killed anyone did they
Lol
What's so funny ?
UKIP ultra extremists !!!
So you wouldn't consider a nazi to be an ultra extremist ?
Members of the nazi party are in UKIP
? You have proof
Now you're just being silly.
You brought Nazis into this which was ridiculous and "maybe the EDL are football hooligans " another of your quotes
You are not guilty on maybes !
My fault I misspelt it. I meant many EDL members have confictions for hooliganism , football or otherwise.
And I thought giving a nazi salute was a form of ultra extremism which is what you asked for. "My view ultra extremism is butchering a person in the street , discharging a car bomb launching a rocket attack or flying a plane into a building killing thousands And yes people such as the hitler or Stalin that oversaw the killings of millions That is certainly not UKIP and that is why I laughed If one of your family commit a crime it does not make your whole family criminals One last thing because people have concerns about immigration it does not make them racist Immigration effects the whole country in every way however the left even centre parties band the word racist around and decry anyone with a different view to them as racist | |||
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The fact is the murder of a soldier was wrong, the fire bombings were wrong, the knock on racial hatred is wrong, the whole ugly event is wrong, the stirring up tension is wrong, even this thread is wrong!!
Sorry OP, your intentions were probably of a good nature but it has brought out quite an ugly and disturbing side on this forum. Considering swingers are apparently open minded its sad to see such close minded views of people on people you dont know or understand.
I will ask certain individuals who (probably not openly) defend the actions of the EDL and support the backlash asians have to put up with one question, if you who think the EDL aren't right wing, aren't a rebranded NF / BNP & are only defending the peaceful people of this country regardless of what thier belief is try dressing in an asian outfit and walking past an EDL demo or congregation see what reaction your "heroes" give you or even better try living in asian community and see whether these so called 'extremists' actually do exist in such vast number or it's all just made up to get you to fear and then hate people | |||
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"In my country we don't bother about others ppl religion colour or nacionality Brazilians are very integrate in British society if someone immigrate to uk hv to understand the previlege to live here respect the British way to be if don't like so leave I wont live where i don't like ,I'm not against anybody religion or race but for gods sake something hv to be done otherwise this country gona be finish I love uk and I would fight for this land like my in laws did in the 2 war x" Well said. If you want to live here be proud to do so. If you hate us so much then go somewhere were you'll be happier. Of course lack of benefits might be a put off for many from doing so. | |||
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