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"I agree, politician's should be squeaky clean but it's a tad hypocritical to demand this woman's head when Peter Mandelson has been caught with his fingers in the cookie jar on more than one occasion - but he's still there isn't he, among others." Politicians are only human. These things happen. I would rather the country be run by people with a bit of go in them. What really worries me is that Mrs Robinson is apparently suicidally depressed and yet still considered fit to govern. | |||
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".......... and her being a good catholic married lady, .........." Reports suggest she's a Pentecostal Christian. Is that the same thing as catholic? It's hard to imagine a catholic being highly placed in Ian Paisley's Democratic Unionist Party. | |||
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".......... and her being a good catholic married lady, .......... Reports suggest she's a Pentecostal Christian. Is that the same thing as catholic? It's hard to imagine a catholic being highly placed in Ian Paisley's Democratic Unionist Party." oops I was going on a report I heard on the radio which was very tongue in cheek obviously Besides which christinity and catholisism are very similar closely linked religeons Only the fundamentalists linger over the few differences I go to a pentacostal church in brum and its so cheerful | |||
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"......... why should we demand our leaders to be squeaky clean - we dont vote them in on the promise they keep their dick in their pants .............. " I don't think it's about being (un)able to resist the temptation of an adulterous shag - it's about cheating. One of the few subjects guaranteed to rouse most of the forum in condemnation is a man (or woman) cheating on their other half. | |||
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"......... why should we demand our leaders to be squeaky clean - we dont vote them in on the promise they keep their dick in their pants .............. I don't think it's about being (un)able to resist the temptation of an adulterous shag - it's about cheating. One of the few subjects guaranteed to rouse most of the forum in condemnation is a man (or woman) cheating on their other half." But we are human - we 'cheat' every day of our lives, we do this in different degrees because we are not infallible, in this game of ours we have some hard and fast rules about safety and not deceiving our partners sexually - but that doesnt mean we can judge others - we should be careful there as we are not without our faults - and to say that one fault is bigger than others is leading in to dangerous territory - I am not suggesting we ignore law breakers - i am suggesting that we are quick to judge when if we look a little closer we might find we are just as likely to break someones moral code even in this place we snipe, judge, and gasp at some of our 'friends' social choices - | |||
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"This is a married woman who is a Member of Parliament, a Member of the Northern Ireland Assembly (where she's spokesman for health, youth and women - one out of three ain't bad ) and, at the time all this happened, she was a local councillor. She's also active in her church. Where did she find the time to shag a 19 year old?" Maybe he only lasted 2 mins. Looking at her on the news, she's a tidy bit of gear. Good on him. | |||
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".......... and her being a good catholic married lady, .......... Reports suggest she's a Pentecostal Christian. Is that the same thing as catholic? It's hard to imagine a catholic being highly placed in Ian Paisley's Democratic Unionist Party." Must admit, that was the first thing that crossed my mind as well! | |||
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".......... and her being a good catholic married lady, .......... Reports suggest she's a Pentecostal Christian. Is that the same thing as catholic? It's hard to imagine a catholic being highly placed in Ian Paisley's Democratic Unionist Party. oops I was going on a report I heard on the radio which was very tongue in cheek obviously Besides which christinity and catholisism are very similar closely linked religeons Only the fundamentalists linger over the few differences I go to a pentacostal church in brum and its so cheerful " Sorry, but i've got to pull you up on this one. Catholicism IS a Christian religion - the oldest one in fact. What is it about certain elements of the Protestant end of the Christian Faith that cannot accept the Catholic Church as being Christian? One would think the big crosses with that Jesus fella on them would be a bit of a clue... | |||
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".......... and her being a good catholic married lady, .......... Reports suggest she's a Pentecostal Christian. Is that the same thing as catholic? It's hard to imagine a catholic being highly placed in Ian Paisley's Democratic Unionist Party. oops I was going on a report I heard on the radio which was very tongue in cheek obviously Besides which christinity and catholisism are very similar closely linked religeons Only the fundamentalists linger over the few differences I go to a pentacostal church in brum and its so cheerful Sorry, but i've got to pull you up on this one. Catholicism IS a Christian religion - the oldest one in fact. What is it about certain elements of the Protestant end of the Christian Faith that cannot accept the Catholic Church as being Christian? One would think the big crosses with that Jesus fella on them would be a bit of a clue... " Jesus? Oh you mean the fella who said, "Give up all your worldy possessions and follow me." That guy? Yup, old Popey got that particular message, didn't he. | |||
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".......... One would think the big crosses with that Jesus fella on them would be a bit of a clue... " Is THAT who he's meant to be? | |||
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".......... and her being a good catholic married lady, .......... Reports suggest she's a Pentecostal Christian. Is that the same thing as catholic? It's hard to imagine a catholic being highly placed in Ian Paisley's Democratic Unionist Party. oops I was going on a report I heard on the radio which was very tongue in cheek obviously Besides which christinity and catholisism are very similar closely linked religeons Only the fundamentalists linger over the few differences I go to a pentacostal church in brum and its so cheerful Sorry, but i've got to pull you up on this one. Catholicism IS a Christian religion - the oldest one in fact. What is it about certain elements of the Protestant end of the Christian Faith that cannot accept the Catholic Church as being Christian? One would think the big crosses with that Jesus fella on them would be a bit of a clue... Jesus? Oh you mean the fella who said, "Give up all your worldy possessions and follow me." That guy? Yup, old Popey got that particular message, didn't he. " You could also say that about the Church of England or the Church of Scotland - never mind all those good 'Christian' ministers in the US selling snake oil promises to a gullible flock & living on the proceeds. BTW, i'm not Catholic or even Christian. Anyway, why the hypocrisy over Iris Robinson? Concentrate on the fact that she may have illegally appropriated funds rather than her personal life. Who she shags is between her & her husband, who's money she handles IS our affair. | |||
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".......... One would think the big crosses with that Jesus fella on them would be a bit of a clue... Is THAT who he's meant to be? " It's an argument i have with Yank fundamentalists all the time - they deny Catholicism to be Christian, then count Catholics as Christian when they need the numbers to support a particular point. | |||
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" ......... You could also say that about the Church of England or the Church of Scotland - never mind all those good 'Christian' ministers in the US selling snake oil promises to a gullible flock & living on the proceeds. ........" Actually, you can't say that about the Kirk. Such hierarchy as exists is organised on a very different basis from the Anglicans and the Catholics. | |||
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" ......... You could also say that about the Church of England or the Church of Scotland - never mind all those good 'Christian' ministers in the US selling snake oil promises to a gullible flock & living on the proceeds. ........ Actually, you can't say that about the Kirk. Such hierarchy as exists is organised on a very different basis from the Anglicans and the Catholics." Still people making a profit from others religious views though eh? How many Ministers in the history of the Kirk have lived high on the hog? It's endemic across all organised religions unfortunately which is why i reject such. | |||
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" ......... You could also say that about the Church of England or the Church of Scotland - never mind all those good 'Christian' ministers in the US selling snake oil promises to a gullible flock & living on the proceeds. ........ Actually, you can't say that about the Kirk. Such hierarchy as exists is organised on a very different basis from the Anglicans and the Catholics. Still people making a profit from others religious views though eh? How many Ministers in the history of the Kirk have lived high on the hog? It's endemic across all organised religions unfortunately which is why i reject such." Those were very different times. I have no truck with organised religion either but I recognise that the Kirk exists with the need for pomp and circumstance and without the layers of hierarchy (bishops, archbishops and so on) that other faiths use to separate the faithful from their Dog. Even the Moderator is little more than a Master of Ceremonies at Assembly time and, I believe, receives the same modest stipend s/he did as a parish minister. | |||
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"lol i was going to post something seriious but have come to the conclusion its really not worth it! have to say though im impressed a woman her age is with a 19yr lad!" If you really want to speak your mind there are forums out there covering this subject with no holds barred responses. Includes how can a particular religion cover up scandals when the truth has been splashed over the media for years, some have no shame. Google is your friend if you want to get stuck in. | |||
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"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8447352.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Robinson " just looked at the wiki page. 2 quotes stood out to me: "the government has the responsibility to uphold God's laws" Yeah because God is apparently not powerful enough - and neither is faith - it's so weak it needs laws to protect it "she announced that she would leave politics and withdraw from public life following prolonged periods of mental illness" Quelle Surprise! I'd expect this type of lunacy in uncivilised countries like Saudi Arabia or the United States, but not in Europe | |||
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