FabSwingers.com forum: Separating the art from the artist

By *oeBeans OP Man
2 days ago

Derby

With the recent passing of Hulk Hogan, his death has left me conflicted as a wrestling fan. He was the biggest name in the industry and wrestling today probably wouldn't be what it is without him. However, he was a known racist, Trump supporter, union buster, and his colleagues didn't like him for his backstage politics.

That being said, can you separate the art from the artist and if not, what lines do you draw to the point of what they did is unforgivable?

Please note, there's no right or wrong as I imagine those lines are entirely subjective.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
2 days ago

Chichester

I like some of harry potter stuff but have no time for JKR. I can separate that thing from the fantasy world created

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By *hePervertedPlumberMan
2 days ago

Edinburgh

Aye, you have to. Michael Jackson, Kevin Spacey, Mike Tyson are potential GOATs in their respective fields. None are babysitting my kids though..

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By *allySlinkyWoman
2 days ago

Leeds

The BBC just had the Masterchef dilemma of whether or not to air the series filmed in 2024 because of upheld allegations against the hosts.

Should it show historic episodes of TOTP featuring Jimmy Savile ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
2 days ago

East Sussex

I'm a terrible hypocrite where this is concerned because it depends how much I like their work in many cases. However there are some reprehensible things I can't get past.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
2 days ago

Leeds

Should orchestras play Wagner despite his Nazi, anti-Semitic views ?

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By *oeBeans OP Man
2 days ago

Derby

"I like some of harry potter stuff but have no time for JKR. I can separate that thing from the fantasy world created "

Ooooh that's a very good example. With the new TV series coming out, would you be worried about watching it knowing JKR is still building her wealth from it?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
2 days ago

Central

"The BBC just had the Masterchef dilemma of whether or not to air the series filmed in 2024 because of upheld allegations against the hosts.

Should it show historic episodes of TOTP featuring Jimmy Savile ?"

I don't think they do show them, do they?

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By *sStephenPickleMan
2 days ago

Ends

It’s hard but usually if it doesn’t align with my morals I’ll avoid lining their pockets. So racists, homophobes, transphobes, abusers etc.

After Kanye’s Slxvery comments I stopped streaming his music. Don’t stream R Kelly or Chris Brown or Tory Lanez. Don’t watch Liam Neeson’s shit or buy JK Rowling’s shit etc.

But I wonder if the loophole on some of it is getting it second hand or streaming films online on websites. Buying a Harry Potter book from a charity shop for a kid wouldn’t line JKR’s pockets nor would buying Love Actually on DVD from a charity shop. Up the the individual and what they want it to look like when they ‘cancel’ someone in their lives.

But yeah, for me, if I morally object to their actions, I can’t separate the art from the artist. Unless it’s like cheating. I won’t respect it but that’s not the same as going on a homophobic rant.

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By *lym4realCouple
2 days ago

plymouth

The art and the artist are two seperate things and perhaps that what makes them great artist's ? and Mr4 has read a fair fw books on artists ( mainly singers) and in his opinion they all have one thing in common they are all ( without any exceptions) slightly bonkers or worse and have demons aswell ?? but you can be grown up and think he/she sucked as a human being but made great music or were a great sportsman etc etc

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By *sStephenPickleMan
2 days ago

Ends

"Should orchestras play Wagner despite his Nazi, anti-Semitic views ?"

I think this is a more specific question but is essentially what Joe is asking US to answer

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By *weet and SpiceCouple
2 days ago

Around the Midlands

How much more are we hearing about artists and their antics nowadays? At this rate there will be no art to enjoy if we can't separate the two!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
2 days ago

in Lancashire

Where do you draw the line in taking a stand about something wrong that happened sometimes long before many were born..?

I grew up in the City where we weren't educated about the full and true history of the wealth of the City and some of its 'great and good' and it's core and leading part in the sla#e trade..

Do I not walk down the many roads and streets in the centre because they are named after such people?

Some used their wealth to improve the lot of the poorest in the city so it's that double edged sword..

Or do we educate about such wrongs and teach people what to be aware of now in an increasingly dangerous society..

We all use social media and platforms which have failed the young and vulnerable with some of the sites on this medium and still are doing so..

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By *ulfilthmentMan
2 days ago

Here and there

It’s almost more interesting looking at artists who seem to still get a free pass despite having well known dodgy activities in their past.

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By *eltCuteMightDeleteWoman
2 days ago

Reading

With regards to Harry Potter, JKR has publicly stated she will be using the wealth gained from the new TV series to give to hate groups. I haven't bought/watched HP related content since long before this but I couldn't condone giving money to someone that goes against my own morals in such a drastic way.

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By *oeBeans OP Man
2 days ago

Derby

"Aye, you have to. Michael Jackson, Kevin Spacey, Mike Tyson are potential GOATs in their respective fields. None are babysitting my kids though.."

I get what you mean. I suppose for some, you can enjoy what they were good at if you only see them as a celebrity to provide entertainment.

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By *oeBeans OP Man
2 days ago

Derby

"I'm a terrible hypocrite where this is concerned because it depends how much I like their work in many cases. However there are some reprehensible things I can't get past. "

I sometimes feel the same. The Vince McMahon stuff all came out last year, all the while, I was enjoying the build to WrestleMania, something that was his creation. So yeah, I'm a massive hypocrite too 🙈

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By *sStephenPickleMan
2 days ago

Ends

"Aye, you have to. Michael Jackson, Kevin Spacey, Mike Tyson are potential GOATs in their respective fields. None are babysitting my kids though.."

Nobody who is a fan of basketball respects Karl Malone. Only the people of Utah and the NBA trying to make us forget. Sometimes it’s worth not separating the two.

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By *anchesterTaurusMan
2 days ago

Prestwich

I can imagine people absolutely loved the song "My Gang" have struggled with this.

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By *oeBeans OP Man
2 days ago

Derby

"It’s hard but usually if it doesn’t align with my morals I’ll avoid lining their pockets. So racists, homophobes, transphobes, abusers etc.

After Kanye’s Slxvery comments I stopped streaming his music. Don’t stream R Kelly or Chris Brown or Tory Lanez. Don’t watch Liam Neeson’s shit or buy JK Rowling’s shit etc.

That's an interesting workaround and may be a good way to enjoy their work without any money going towards them. If their indiscretion was a one off occurrence and their content was still pushed, would you still boycott them?

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By *izandpaulCouple
2 days ago

merseyside

Its art for arts sake, for me.

If I like a piece of art I'll buy it but do like to attend art school student sales. Some stuff I wouldn't give wall space but bought 2 pieces last year that I adore. Same with music and books, if I like it, that's OK with me. Tend not to overthink stuff.

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By *sStephenPickleMan
2 days ago

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"It’s hard but usually if it doesn’t align with my morals I’ll avoid lining their pockets. So racists, homophobes, transphobes, abusers etc.

After Kanye’s Slxvery comments I stopped streaming his music. Don’t stream R Kelly or Chris Brown or Tory Lanez. Don’t watch Liam Neeson’s shit or buy JK Rowling’s shit etc.

Good question! I suppose I would but I think we live in a world where usually artists recognise the importance of support and so attempt to prove their changed ways. If they demonstrate that I’m sure I’d come around to enjoying their art again.

- example: Lewis Hamilton.

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By *estructionDollyWoman
2 days ago

The Deep Dark Woods

This is something I have agonised over many times and find a really hard question to answer.

The example of JKR... I adored the HP books as a kid (the films not as much, but I enjoyed some of them). And now all of that feels a bit tainted by JKR, plus I'll be honest reading the books as an adult you realise down problematic they are and how much lazy stereotyping she relies on in her characterisation of her characters. I don't want to give her money, but is reading the books you already own okay? Hmm.

Same with music. There's also so many musicians I love who have been accused of violence and SA by women. Or have said racist/homophobic things. Should I stop listening to music I already own or turn the radio off etc?

I honestly don't know the answer sometimes.

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By *ellhungvweMan
2 days ago

Cheltenham

I think you have to separate art from the artist.

For those who can’t/won’t separate the art from the artist then I often wonder whether that also applies to other areas? Do you forgo the medical advances that were created under appalling conditions in WW2?

If not - why not?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
2 days ago

East Sussex

I think there are huge double standards where celebrities and famous people are concerned though. A person with terrible addictions who's a serial cheater is a tortured soul or even a legend if they're famous and a lowlife scumbag if they live in social housing and work in a fast food chain.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
2 days ago

Stratford

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By *heGateKeeperMan
2 days ago

Stratford

With the exception of the King of R&B I find this pretty easy to do

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By *hePervertedPlumberMan
2 days ago

Edinburgh

"A person with terrible addictions who's a serial cheater is a tortured soul or even a legend if they're famous and a lowlife scumbag if they live in social housing and work in a fast food chain. "

Yep, Money changes everything though. 50 shades of grey would be a whole different movie if the main guy was on the dole

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By *2000ManMan
2 days ago

Worthing

The offstage antics of some rock stars like drink and drugs did not endear them to me. I just liked the stage and music performances.

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By *egasus NobMan
2 days ago

Wandsworth

if you live long enough in the spotlight, you eventually become the villain. Hulk Hogan was to wrestling what Michael Jackson was to music absolutely massive. But stick a microphone in anyone’s face long enough, and eventually they’ll say something regrettable. I think a lot of the backlash comes from a generational disconnect. Younger generations tend to judge past figures through today’s lens.

To discredit someone entirely over a single moment or sentence while ignoring 20 or 30 years of work and contribution feels shortsighted. People are complex, and a lifetime shouldn’t be erased by one misstep.

Stick a microphone in my face and I’ll probably split the nation in half equal parts outrage and applause 😄

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By *estructionDollyWoman
2 days ago

The Deep Dark Woods

"if you live long enough in the spotlight, you eventually become the villain. Hulk Hogan was to wrestling what Michael Jackson was to music absolutely massive. But stick a microphone in anyone’s face long enough, and eventually they’ll say something regrettable. I think a lot of the backlash comes from a generational disconnect. Younger generations tend to judge past figures through today’s lens.

Stick a microphone in my face and I’ll probably split the nation in half equal parts outrage and applause 😄

Erm, I think with Hogan it was a bit more than a misguided moment or sentence 😅

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By *sStephenPickleMan
2 days ago

Ends

"With the exception of the King of R&B I find this pretty easy to do"

BOONDOCKS EPISODE TRIAL OF R KELLY WAS ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU 🤣

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By *sStephenPickleMan
2 days ago

Ends

Stick a microphone in my face and I’ll probably split the nation in half equal parts outrage and applause 😄

You’re acting like Hulk Hogan said what he said during Jim Crow 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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By *ad NannaWoman
2 days ago

East London

Depends on the art and what the artist has done.

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By *sStephenPickleMan
2 days ago

Ends

"Depends on the art and what the artist has done."

They’ve upset your poor pickle

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By *ad NannaWoman
2 days ago

East London

"Depends on the art and what the artist has done.

They’ve upset your poor pickle"

They'll pay for that.

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By *eordieJeansCouple
2 days ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

I still listen to Kanye, still listen to Biggie when all his songs were produced by Diddy and still watch films produced by Weinstein. You don’t have to like the person to appreciate their art.

Hogan was a shit wrestler with a good gimmick for that time. I will never understand how he was as big as he was even though I loved him as a kid.

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By *eckard25Man
2 days ago

North West Durham

I can if I liked the art before finding out about what a prick the person is. The output tends to stop/reduce after that point but I try to avoid any new stuff they do.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
2 days ago

Carlisle usually

Varies by situation.

There are old Lost Prophet tracks that cause an irreplaceable surge of nostalgia, but I'll only listen to them when I'm by myself via third party YouTube rips rather than any method that generates profit for Watkins.

With people like JK Rowling who actively use the profits generated from their work to make life harder for people who already suffer enough, fuck that noise, I don't want to touch it with someone else's shitty 60ft bargepole.

Just disagree with their politics or opinions but haven't seen anything suggesting they're actively making life worse for other people using resources gained through fame, I'm pretty whatever about. Everyone will have some opinions I disagree with somewhere along the line 💜

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By *heGateKeeperMan
2 days ago

Stratford

"With the exception of the King of R&B I find this pretty easy to do

BOONDOCKS EPISODE TRIAL OF R KELLY WAS ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU 🤣"

“We all know the ni**a can sing, but what happened to standards?”

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
2 days ago

Chichester

"I like some of harry potter stuff but have no time for JKR. I can separate that thing from the fantasy world created

Ooooh that's a very good example. With the new TV series coming out, would you be worried about watching it knowing JKR is still building her wealth from it?"

I won’t be watching it as simply I enjoyed the movie era. I have zero interest in a new tv series tbh

Tbh she is a billionaire already so it’s irrelevant her wealth gain. Hogwarts legacy was a great game and they tried to distance from it as well and I liked that game.

Personally I think jkr is extremely deranged / clearly mentally unwell in many aspects as been highlighted by many professionals over the years but she is entitled to their views I just ignore them .

Everything we like is bankrolling something bad sooner or later I find.

Let’s just say I certainly wouldn’t be paying money for anything potter related. I’d use piracy first and foremost so at least it costs them money in combating piracy with dmca uses etc

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By *ubcuckpupMan
2 days ago

Manchester

"I like some of harry potter stuff but have no time for JKR. I can separate that thing from the fantasy world created

Ooooh that's a very good example. With the new TV series coming out, would you be worried about watching it knowing JKR is still building her wealth from it?

I won’t be watching it as simply I enjoyed the movie era. I have zero interest in a new tv series tbh

Tbh she is a billionaire already so it’s irrelevant her wealth gain. Hogwarts legacy was a great game and they tried to distance from it as well and I liked that game.

Personally I think jkr is extremely deranged / clearly mentally unwell in many aspects as been highlighted by many professionals over the years but she is entitled to their views I just ignore them .

Everything we like is bankrolling something bad sooner or later I find.

Let’s just say I certainly wouldn’t be paying money for anything potter related. I’d use piracy first and foremost so at least it costs them money in combating piracy with dmca uses etc "

I find the JKR thing really interesting. Before the whole public toilet furore the trans alternative community was massively into her in the circles i moved in. Geeky harry potter fans were almost their own kink for a while

To me it seemed to be an argument within feminism mostly and because I have not searched out any of the quotes attributed to her so I've not been soured but won't be an issue til my kids have kids but I'll still read them at bedtime cos they're great books...it's all so very very strange as the main concept of the books is how love can conquer evil

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By *ools and the brainCouple
2 days ago

couple, us we him her.

Hmmmm well I grew up on very early hip hop/electro being very influential in my life and teens, I was/ am a huge fan of Afrika Bambatta and his influence on the genre cannot be ignored or underestimated.

Turns out he's a proper wrong un, but should I just throw away all the great memories from those day's seeing him live and the vibe back then dancing on street corners and creating dance routines,kept me out of serious trouble and resolved many disputes.

So just can't throw that away,I listen to the music and it's memories that I can't walk away from.

But I am able to separate the two .

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By *ealitybitesMan
2 days ago

Belfast

Strangely enough I can't separate them.

Some artists are their art and the words or music they produce and how they present those are just excuses for their behaviour.

Most of those musicians who have been accused of despicable acts in recent times are people I've never classed as artists because I find their work either leaves me cold or it is inane rubbish.

The same goes for certain actors and there are many movies and TV shows I've never watched regardless of how popular they are because I can't get passed the fact that they come across as a cunt.

Equally with sporting figures. I don't care how many medals they have won or how important they are to a team if they have a nasty attitude or reputation.

Some people are so invested in the personas they have created that they lose all touch with reality and believe they can do or say whatever they want without repercussion all in the name of freedom of expression.

My sisters recently reminded me that as a child in the 70s I turned off TOTP one evening and told my mum I couldn't watch it as that creep Saville was on it and I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

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By *hief_Of_AlwaysMan
2 days ago

1313 Mockingbird Lane…

I’ve always thought Hulk Hogan was a terrible performer.

I remember, the first time I saw him on Saturday morning on LWT when I was 6. I remember thinking…

Why does everyone like this guy?

He spends 95% of the match getting beat, then he wins. It’s the same match again & again.

☝🏽BUT wrestling would not be mainstream today without him. My Nan knew who Hulk Hogan was 🤷🏽‍♂️

There will never be another

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By *zeroMan
2 days ago

Glasgow

I find I can do in most cases but often the unsavory actions of people linger in my mind. Using another wrestling example is the case of Chris Benoit. An undoubtedly talented athlete, could have an excellent match with anyone and has a list of matches and a career that makes him a definite for any Hall of Fame.

However his crime outweighs that and it always should do. I think you can enjoy the art as you say, but you must always acknowledge the persons history. Good or bad.

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By *wisted999Man
2 days ago

North Bucks

Bob Marleys wife had some very problematic things to say about him.

Put me right off his music. Can’t listen without thinking about it so don’t.

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By *entakuruMan
2 days ago

Exeter

Generally speaking, if I find out someone is a wrong'un it puts me off their art as it's then always at the back of my mind.

Also I feel like there's so much other other art there to discover instead, so ultimately it's no great loss.

Sometimes if it's a music thing the aspects of what I like aren't necessarily the work of the person in question. For example the only Michael Jackson tunes I like were produced and arranged by Quincy Jones, so I'm really listening to him not MJ himself.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
2 days ago

Reading

Im not sure it's ever hang a Hitler painting if he had turned out any good. But otherwise I can separate them.

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By *sStephenPickleMan
1 day ago

Ends

Add Michael Ward to the list.

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By *lackjack1stMan
1 day ago

London

As said by Jesus:

"Let he without Sin, cast the first Stone 🪨 "

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By *lackjack1stMan
1 day ago

London

Roman Polanski

Woody Allen

Pablo Picasso

Henry Miller

Anaïs Nin

Somerset Maugham

Winston Churchill

James Brown

Icke Turner

The list is endless.

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By *otwife Snowy and MeCouple
1 day ago

Carshalton

Perhaps it's more about how we view the cult of celebrity... Idolising and then being let down with a truth.

MJ and R Kelly I won't listen to now as the abuse to children is too hard to ignore. Personal choice of separating art from artist.

Better to look closer to home and see if your the own doing anything dodgy and change yourself than worry about this beast of media

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By *sStephenPickleMan
1 day ago

Ends

"As said by Jesus:

"Let he without Sin, cast the first Stone 🪨 ""

I think Jesus would not be supporting celebrity wealth built on and maintained by exploitation or if the person has done horrible things. People electing not to stream music or watch films or read books is not the same as what was happening in that story.

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By *aron Van WinkleMan
1 day ago

In fair Verona.

I can appreciate it, and like it. Art is art. Hogsns act was good in his profession, loved him in WWF with all the big nostalgia names.

There’s few superstars that don’t have some dirt on them, so I’ve grown used to having to not like the person, but enjoy what they brought to the world. It keeps us talking too.

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By *egasus NobMan
1 day ago

Wandsworth

I’m not about to cut off my nose to spite my face. I grew up enjoying R. Kelly and MJ. I still remember exactly where I was and how it felt hearing 'I Believe I Can Fly' for the first time. The music, the moment, the atmosphere it all meant something. I remember watching wrestling with my dad and how much he enjoyed it. it was one of those simple, great memories. So other things people attached to that person doesn't matter.

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By *aGaGagging for itCouple
1 day ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

... and then there's Hugo Boss

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By *aughtylist DuoCouple
1 day ago

Kilmarnock

I can, with Hulk Hogan for instance, when I think of him I do t think of the racist person he was, instead I remember weekends as a kid watching wrestling with my dad - Mrs

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By *ubadubdubWoman
1 day ago

Hereabouts

"It’s hard but usually if it doesn’t align with my morals I’ll avoid lining their pockets. So racists, homophobes, transphobes, abusers etc.

After Kanye’s Slxvery comments I stopped streaming his music. Don’t stream R Kelly or Chris Brown or Tory Lanez. Don’t watch Liam Neeson’s shit or buy JK Rowling’s shit etc.

Id be on the same page as you on this. Basically it's boycotting people, withdrawing support in an attempt to pressure them to see the error of their ways. If I know a person/company causes hurt I'll do my best to to find an alternative.

I'm afraid to ask how Liam Neeson got on your list 😬

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By *eroLondonMan
1 day ago

Mayfair

"I'm afraid to ask how Liam Neeson got on your list 😬"

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He played Sir Gawain in Excalibur (1981), pandering to Morgan le Fay (Morgana), she who seduces her own brother King Arthur †. 🅘ncest was uncommon during the Dark Ages.

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By *mileyculturebelfastMan
1 day ago

belfast

It's a hard one. Gary glitter isn't played on the radio. Michael's Jackson is.

Red hot chilli peppers still played on the radio.

Public enemy still enjoyed and free to buy even though they're racist anti semites.

John peel, bowie, iggy pop still enjoyed and their fans ignore their child abuse.

I think it can be separated if you like the entertainer enough and can play stupid games to justify it.

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By *sStephenPickleMan
1 day ago

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"I'm afraid to ask how Liam Neeson got on your list 😬

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He played Sir Gawain in Excalibur (1981), pandering to Morgan le Fay (Morgana), she who seduces her own brother King Arthur †. 🅘ncest was uncommon during the Dark Ages."

Ha. No more like he went out with a weapon looking to kill any Black B*stard after his friend was 🍇ed

He apologised but I just can’t willingly support his career

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
1 day ago

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
1 day ago

Crumpet Castle

No matter what any individual has done, no matter how heinous, this does not cloud my feelings/opinions about their art.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
1 day ago

Crumpet Castle

"Aye, you have to. Michael Jackson, Kevin Spacey, Mike Tyson are potential GOATs in their respective fields. None are babysitting my kids though.."

Kevin Spacey was found innocent and non of his 'crimes' involved children.

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By *ad NannaWoman
1 day ago

East London

"Roman Polanski

Woody Allen

Pablo Picasso

Henry Miller

Anaïs Nin

Somerset Maugham

Winston Churchill

James Brown

Icke Turner

The list is endless."

Not Somerset Maugham

I loved The Painted Veil

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
1 day ago

Crumpet Castle

"I like some of harry potter stuff but have no time for JKR. I can separate that thing from the fantasy world created

Ooooh that's a very good example. With the new TV series coming out, would you be worried about watching it knowing JKR is still building her wealth from it?"

Why should JKR not prosper from her work ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
1 day ago

Crumpet Castle

"Roman Polanski

Woody Allen

Pablo Picasso

Henry Miller

Anaïs Nin

Somerset Maugham

Winston Churchill

James Brown

Icke Turner

The list is endless.

Not Somerset Maugham

I loved The Painted Veil"

All men.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
1 day ago

Crumpet Castle

"Add Michael Ward to the list. "

What has he been found guilty of ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
1 day ago

Crumpet Castle

"With regards to Harry Potter, JKR has publicly stated she will be using the wealth gained from the new TV series to give to hate groups. I haven't bought/watched HP related content since long before this but I couldn't condone giving money to someone that goes against my own morals in such a drastic way. "

which hate groups ?

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By *en_kMan
24 hours ago

North West

"Roman Polanski

Woody Allen

Pablo Picasso

Henry Miller

Anaïs Nin

Somerset Maugham

Winston Churchill

James Brown

Icke Turner

The list is endless.

Not Somerset Maugham

I loved The Painted Veil

All men."

With a little bit of research I think you’ll find that,

… yep, all artists turned bad are indeed all men

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By *mileyculturebelfastMan
24 hours ago

belfast

"As said by Jesus:

"Let he without Sin, cast the first Stone 🪨 ""

Yeah we can all take advice from a made up fella from a fiction novel.

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By *mileyculturebelfastMan
24 hours ago

belfast

"Roman Polanski

Woody Allen

Pablo Picasso

Henry Miller

Anaïs Nin

Somerset Maugham

Winston Churchill

James Brown

Icke Turner

The list is endless.

Not Somerset Maugham

I loved The Painted Veil

All men."

Apart from the female.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 hours ago

Crumpet Castle

"Roman Polanski

Woody Allen

Pablo Picasso

Henry Miller

Anaïs Nin

Somerset Maugham

Winston Churchill

James Brown

Icke Turner

The list is endless.

Not Somerset Maugham

I loved The Painted Veil

All men.

With a little bit of research I think you’ll find that,

… yep, all artists turned bad are indeed all men"

Wow. Really ? It's a shocker of a revelation isn't it? Thanks for the research tip. It just wasn't obvious to me.

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By *indergirlWoman
24 hours ago

somewhere, someplace

"Roman Polanski

Woody Allen

Pablo Picasso

Henry Miller

Anaïs Nin

Somerset Maugham

Winston Churchill

James Brown

Icke Turner

The list is endless.

Not Somerset Maugham

I loved The Painted Veil

All men.

With a little bit of research I think you’ll find that,

… yep, all artists turned bad are indeed all men"

Erm didn't realise anais nin was a man 🤔 so not all men

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 hours ago

Crumpet Castle

Fair do's she's not done harm to others either

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By *acchus LyaeosMan
24 hours ago

London

"As said by Jesus:

"Let he without Sin, cast the first Stone 🪨 "

Yeah we can all take advice from a made up fella from a fiction novel.

Jesus was real and probably would have said something like that, though that doesn't mean it's worth following.

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By *en_kMan
24 hours ago

North West

"Roman Polanski

Woody Allen

Pablo Picasso

Henry Miller

Anaïs Nin

Somerset Maugham

Winston Churchill

James Brown

Icke Turner

The list is endless.

Not Somerset Maugham

I loved The Painted Veil

All men.

With a little bit of research I think you’ll find that,

… yep, all artists turned bad are indeed all men

Erm didn't realise anais nin was a man 🤔 so not all men"

Me neither, but guess there’s always one that buck the trend. Just read about her and tried to believe she was just a fantasist, rewriting her life stories, but seems like inc@@@ and manipulative relationships rightly put her on the list.

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By *tarcrossed_SwingersCouple
23 hours ago

Loughborough

"I like some of harry potter stuff but have no time for JKR. I can separate that thing from the fantasy world created

Ooooh that's a very good example. With the new TV series coming out, would you be worried about watching it knowing JKR is still building her wealth from it?

I won’t be watching it as simply I enjoyed the movie era. I have zero interest in a new tv series tbh

Tbh she is a billionaire already so it’s irrelevant her wealth gain. Hogwarts legacy was a great game and they tried to distance from it as well and I liked that game.

Personally I think jkr is extremely deranged / clearly mentally unwell in many aspects as been highlighted by many professionals over the years but she is entitled to their views I just ignore them .

Everything we like is bankrolling something bad sooner or later I find.

Let’s just say I certainly wouldn’t be paying money for anything potter related. I’d use piracy first and foremost so at least it costs them money in combating piracy with dmca uses etc "

I like this viewpoint and fair play. She's always going to be hugely successful, some people are blissfully unaware of how problematic she actually is.

It's a grift at the end of the day. Just like Gervais, for them, it's all about looks and if you 'pass' which is disgusting and also a little bit weird.

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By *emenLover111Man
23 hours ago

Sheffield (East Midlands)

John Torode & Greg Wallace shouldn't have been sacked. There is a Wizardhunt (similar to witchhunt but aimed at primarily white men) towards white men at the moment.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
5 hours ago

Carlisle usually

"John Torode & Greg Wallace shouldn't have been sacked. There is a Wizardhunt (similar to witchhunt but aimed at primarily white men) towards white men at the moment. "

Yeah. A wizard hunt. Just because he showed his genitalia to unconsenting women is no reason to sack the poor white man 💜

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
5 hours ago

Reading

"John Torode & Greg Wallace shouldn't have been sacked. There is a Wizardhunt (similar to witchhunt but aimed at primarily white men) towards white men at the moment. "

I think John Torode could have been handled differently but Greg Wallace absolutely should have been sacked. No ASD does not mean you walk around with no trousers.

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By *urve_your_enthusiasmWoman
4 hours ago

Manchester

I cannot. Was in an interesting debate recently about how some very famous men (too many to name) abused women but that we shouldn't boycott their films. I disagree completely. They use their status to abuse others.

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