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Are some people born evil?

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By *eryBigGirl OP   Woman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Or do they learn to be evil?

I always was of the opinion that evil is born from a set of circumstances and everyone is inherently good but after the worst day ever of my career dealing with the most heinous individuals I've ever come across I'm starting to doubt my original beliefs!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe people are born evil ( very few) but alot of evil people are evil due to whats happened to them in the past.

It can cone diwn to a few chemical unbalances

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it can be both. Some people are born that way and for some it's life that makes them that way.

The same set of circumstances won't necessarily turn everyone bad though. Some people use negative experiences in a positive way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe they can be most is learnt but there are some are.

There was a lad i went through primary with was always really horrid and nasty and grew up to be a psychopath and his parents and brother were lovely and tried everything.

He was a bad un from the outset

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bit of both but mainly upbringing can turn them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My ex mother in law was evil to the core... Think she was born that way lol

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

How do we define 'Evil'?

Putting personal emotions on hold, consider a person who stomps on a cat until its dead.

A larger group of people would call the person evil.

However, if the cat was a rat the group of people calling 'evil' would be quite small.

Both types of animal can be a major pest, equally both types can make great pets.

The person who stomps on the rat or the cat would be doing what 'they' decided was the 'right thing at the time'.

Is there such a thing as an evil person? Or is it just a person whose perception of its environment, the way it rationalises, makes decisions and acts on them is different to the majority of people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people dont develop emotion like others and become psychopaths. Si I guess they are born with the ingredients to be evil

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody is evil, they may carry out anti-social behaviour that others perceive as evil. That is generally due to the brain being wired differently.

IF that is the case, then they are born that way, environment may add or subtract from that genetic difference e.g. many psychopaths learn to live quite normal lives as accepted members of society. Whilst some perfectly sane people carry out evil acts through peer pressure etc.

Shame it's unacceptable to shoot some people in the head though isn't it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

question of science and one of faith

things are pretty insignificant, me, u etc..in the grand scale of things..7billion lives could be wiped off the face of the earth to stop the destruction of it(if its possible)..the greater good...is the greater evil some would say

however if u believe in having a soul(most will classify that as going to something better when our bodies are dead)

I have mixed theories on it all..

what I do think that is evil..is taking pleasure from torture of any living being..especially if the plan is to destroy it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are all born with a 'tableau rosseau' that is a blank slate of a mind! thats why in youth we are 'innocent' it is then experience and how we handle bad experience as we grow older i.e rejection, abuse, heartbreak, other negative situations, that determine how a person becomes evil well thats just my opinion anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The old 'nature/nurture' debate has been around forever, and we still don't really know any answers

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By *eryBigGirl OP   Woman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire


"The old 'nature/nurture' debate has been around forever, and we still don't really know any answers "

Yeah I guess we aren't any closer although I'm tipped over to the nurture side of coin when you look at the research on the brain development of neglected babies and the impact of not having their basic care needs met!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The old 'nature/nurture' debate has been around forever, and we still don't really know any answers

Yeah I guess we aren't any closer although I'm tipped over to the nurture side of coin when you look at the research on the brain development of neglected babies and the impact of not having their basic care needs met!!

There was a huge study on twins some years ago, can't remember who did it. The research blew the nuture theory as it studied twins that were seperated and raised by different families, cultures, socioeconomic status etc, in the 1950's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people are born with Bi polar disorder which makes them do evil things. Is it Genetic, Yes I am sure of it as I have first hand experience of it. Their brain chemistry makes them react in random illogical ways to nurturing pressures. Very difficult to predict and live with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw things in the news this week that completely weirded me out and me almost physically sick to my stomach.

If the government ever ran a death penalty reinstalment vote, id vote in favor...put it that way.

Ben

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Evil, science of mind, that is perceived by the mind & interpreted as information.

No one is born evil it's learnt from the mind.

What one person classes as evil doesn't make it evil.

Is one evil or just carrying out an act of that which is classed as evil.

Very complex subject & very interesting.

Your mind can trick & deceive you, the art is learning to spot the trick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it can be both. Some people are born that way and for some it's life that makes them that way.

The same set of circumstances won't necessarily turn everyone bad though. Some people use negative experiences in a positive way."

This ^

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

north Down

Think it comes down to the way our brains are wired and experiences when growing up. Most psychopaths are successful businessmen/women. All a psychopath is in its simplest from is someone who has not got the little voice in their head telling them they are/were wrong and are goal driven and can easily pretend that they care or feel guilt to get their own way. A sociopath is someone who as a problem with personal space and mixing with other people an easy way to spot one is and we all have is they are the ones who when in a busy pub will say to you what are you looking at or are you looking at my girl or you meant to bump into me when plainly you were not ie can attack you for these reasons but will suffer guilt afterward. A sadist is someone who enjoys inflicting pain on others for their own enjoyment but also feels guilt.However bad these people can be in there own right it's when we get a mix of these traits that we will have someone that we would call truly evil the worst being a sadistic socio psychopath someone that nobody wants to meet ....

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden


"Think it comes down to the way our brains are wired and experiences when growing up. Most psychopaths are successful businessmen/women. All a psychopath is in its simplest from is someone who has not got the little voice in their head telling them they are/were wrong and are goal driven and can easily pretend that they care or feel guilt to get their own way. A sociopath is someone who as a problem with personal space and mixing with other people an easy way to spot one is and we all have is they are the ones who when in a busy pub will say to you what are you looking at or are you looking at my girl or you meant to bump into me when plainly you were not ie can attack you for these reasons but will suffer guilt afterward. A sadist is someone who enjoys inflicting pain on others for their own enjoyment but also feels guilt.However bad these people can be in there own right it's when we get a mix of these traits that we will have someone that we would call truly evil the worst being a sadistic socio psychopath someone that nobody wants to meet ...."

OMG! That's me to tea!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

It is both, nature and nurture and sometimes a more and sometimes a less favourable of a number of factor that make one person become a saint and the other a psychopath. It is unfortunately not a predictable or straight forward journey for each of us; part of me thinks we should be grateful when our own lives have turned out to be ok because there but for the grace of (whoever) ... it could be anybody!

One example of this is the likelyhood of developing Autism or ASpergers.... it is not in the genes which determines one person developing the symptoms and another not doing so. It is a combination of genetic disposition and environmental factors.

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By *eryBigGirl OP   Woman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire


"The old 'nature/nurture' debate has been around forever, and we still don't really know any answers

Yeah I guess we aren't any closer although I'm tipped over to the nurture side of coin when you look at the research on the brain development of neglected babies and the impact of not having their basic care needs met!!

There was a huge study on twins some years ago, can't remember who did it. The research blew the nuture theory as it studied twins that were seperated and raised by different families, cultures, socioeconomic status etc, in the 1950's.

"

That's a very different scenario I am well aware of that piece of research and it still doesnt blow away the nature/nuture debate as regardless of separation or differences being raised they were all raised with their basic care needs being met.

I'm talking about severely neglected babies who arent nutured at all, don't have their basic needs met, who aren't fed or cared for and who have very little or no positive adult interaction. Research has shown that their brains develop differently to a child who's needs are met and that the damage is irreversible!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We do have answers to the nature/nurture debate for many issues. And often, the answer is a combination of the two. But when we consider what we mean by nature (i.e. the environmental influences that shape us) we have to include mother's womb in that.

Recommend reading Matt Ridley's _Nature Via Nurture_ -- really excellent explanation of lots of phenomena.

Re: OP -- I do think there is objective evil, and most moral philosophies agree that there are situations and actions which would be universally evil, no matter what the culture. For example, genocide.

As for what makes people evil: A combination of natural tendencies exacerbated/developed by environmental influences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That book is less than £7 online, I will take a look. Thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Re: OP -- I do think there is objective evil, and most moral philosophies agree that there are situations and actions which would be universally evil, no matter what the culture. For example, genocide.

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Nope sorry even genocide is not considered evil by those carrying it out, almost all "civilised" nations have carried out some form of mass killing of a perceived enemy in the last 200 years.

They will have reasons, real or not for justifying the action at the time.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

You cannot define what is evil without saying against which artificial moral codes.

Remove moral rules and evil ceases to exist.

Who says one person cannot kill another?

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"Think it comes down to the way our brains are wired and experiences when growing up. Most psychopaths are successful businessmen/women. All a psychopath is in its simplest from is someone who has not got the little voice in their head telling them they are/were wrong and are goal driven and can easily pretend that they care or feel guilt to get their own way. A sociopath is someone who as a problem with personal space and mixing with other people an easy way to spot one is and we all have is they are the ones who when in a busy pub will say to you what are you looking at or are you looking at my girl or you meant to bump into me when plainly you were not ie can attack you for these reasons but will suffer guilt afterward. A sadist is someone who enjoys inflicting pain on others for their own enjoyment but also feels guilt.However bad these people can be in there own right it's when we get a mix of these traits that we will have someone that we would call truly evil the worst being a sadistic socio psychopath someone that nobody wants to meet ...."

I was under the impression that 'sociopathic personality' was a term introduce to replace 'psychopathic personality' because it more clearly expressed the social aspects of the disorder (and because the term psychopathic had suffered so much lexical abuse in other contexts)... and then more recently superseded by 'antisocial personality disorder'. All three terms are one and the same

condition.

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