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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

If the UK comes last in Eurovision this week then I'm DEFINITELY voting to exit the EU!

If we win - I'll vote to stay

Anything in between - vote for an attempt to renegotiate our position

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

What Cameron will get is small concessions and promises not worth the cost of the paper they are writtern on. Our governemt has no say in anything anymore, all changes and regulations have to be voted on by other members so if the majority say no then its tough luck.

There are a large number of countries who get more out of the EU than they put into it, if the UK backs out then there is less in the pot to dish out to them, likewise if the UK gets back exactly what it puts in then there is no point in it staying in.

Anyone noticed that the majority of politicians (especially ex-chancellors) were in favour of continued membership until the EU wanted to tax financial transactions then they were all for leaving? as the UK is a financial service based economy it would hit our bankers the hardest and the politicians would annoy their mates in the financial sector because bankers would lose some bonuses, is that why there is a push to hold a referendum because there was never anything said about pulling out when the manufacturing sector being destroyed by EU policies or am I being cynical?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even though I love Camp Eurovision,

I'm firmly in the out-camp on the EU

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"If the UK comes last in Eurovision this week then I'm DEFINITELY voting to exit the EU!

If we win - I'll vote to stay

Anything in between - vote for an attempt to renegotiate our position"

I'll join my vote to yours!!

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF

I always considered myself a European and have very many European friends.

However, how long can you pay into something you get less back from, I think European immigration policies have fundamentally changed the U.K. in too short a time frame and whilst I once thought the Euro was an excellent idea, I now believe it to have been an unmitigated disaster

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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Oooops! Sorry OP...Was it supposed to be a serious thread?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oooops! Sorry OP...Was it supposed to be a serious thread? "

Noooooo hey, deciding what outfit to wear while watching Eurovision is a very important matter and one that needs serious consideration….

I’m torn between my vintage ABBA ensemble or choosing something completly over the top instead!!!

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"Oooops! Sorry OP...Was it supposed to be a serious thread?

Noooooo hey, deciding what outfit to wear while watching Eurovision is a very important matter and one that needs serious consideration….

I’m torn between my vintage ABBA ensemble or choosing something completly over the top instead!!! "

Phew! that's more like it and I hear you sister....I've got my Mireille Mattieu poe wigg at the ready! Gonna be a brilliant night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if uk do win the that ill song contest

i eat my hat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oooops! Sorry OP...Was it supposed to be a serious thread?

Noooooo hey, deciding what outfit to wear while watching Eurovision is a very important matter and one that needs serious consideration….

I’m torn between my vintage ABBA ensemble or choosing something completly over the top instead!!!

Phew! that's more like it and I hear you sister....I've got my Mireille Mattieu poe wigg at the ready! Gonna be a brilliant night "

Excellent choice....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm hoping Finland's Fredi & Ystävät return with an updated version of their 1976 classic "Pump-pump"

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"Oooops! Sorry OP...Was it supposed to be a serious thread?

Noooooo hey, deciding what outfit to wear while watching Eurovision is a very important matter and one that needs serious consideration….

I’m torn between my vintage ABBA ensemble or choosing something completly over the top instead!!!

Phew! that's more like it and I hear you sister....I've got my Mireille Mattieu poe wigg at the ready! Gonna be a brilliant night

Excellent choice.... "

Thank you...ABBA is a bit tame, why dont you go over the top! After all Eurovision is only once a year!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I hope the Russian grannies are back

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"I hope the Russian grannies are back"

OMG they were fantastic!! pmsl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oooops! Sorry OP...Was it supposed to be a serious thread?

Noooooo hey, deciding what outfit to wear while watching Eurovision is a very important matter and one that needs serious consideration….

I’m torn between my vintage ABBA ensemble or choosing something completly over the top instead!!!

Phew! that's more like it and I hear you sister....I've got my Mireille Mattieu poe wigg at the ready! Gonna be a brilliant night

Excellent choice....

Thank you...ABBA is a bit tame, why dont you go over the top! After all Eurovision is only once a year! "

Your right of course.... yes, I'll make the effort to glam-up this year,,,,

hmmmmm now where did I leave that pink self inflating liberty bodice !....I'm sure I could add some glitter and some fake Ostrich feathers to that for starters…

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"Oooops! Sorry OP...Was it supposed to be a serious thread?

Noooooo hey, deciding what outfit to wear while watching Eurovision is a very important matter and one that needs serious consideration….

I’m torn between my vintage ABBA ensemble or choosing something completly over the top instead!!!

Phew! that's more like it and I hear you sister....I've got my Mireille Mattieu poe wigg at the ready! Gonna be a brilliant night

Excellent choice....

Thank you...ABBA is a bit tame, why dont you go over the top! After all Eurovision is only once a year!

Your right of course.... yes, I'll make the effort to glam-up this year,,,,

hmmmmm now where did I leave that pink self inflating liberty bodice !....I'm sure I could add some glitter and some fake Ostrich feathers to that for starters… "

You look hot in your Musketeer high boots, pink top and mini skirt...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oooops! Sorry OP...Was it supposed to be a serious thread?

Noooooo hey, deciding what outfit to wear while watching Eurovision is a very important matter and one that needs serious consideration….

I’m torn between my vintage ABBA ensemble or choosing something completly over the top instead!!!

Phew! that's more like it and I hear you sister....I've got my Mireille Mattieu poe wigg at the ready! Gonna be a brilliant night

Excellent choice....

Thank you...ABBA is a bit tame, why dont you go over the top! After all Eurovision is only once a year!

Your right of course.... yes, I'll make the effort to glam-up this year,,,,

hmmmmm now where did I leave that pink self inflating liberty bodice !....I'm sure I could add some glitter and some fake Ostrich feathers to that for starters…

You look hot in your Musketeer high boots, pink top and mini skirt... "

Eeee...Shush,,,,,,! you'll make me blush,,,,pfffttt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What Cameron will get is small concessions and promises not worth the cost of the paper they are writtern on. Our governemt has no say in anything anymore, all changes and regulations have to be voted on by other members so if the majority say no then its tough luck.

There are a large number of countries who get more out of the EU than they put into it, if the UK backs out then there is less in the pot to dish out to them, likewise if the UK gets back exactly what it puts in then there is no point in it staying in.

Anyone noticed that the majority of politicians (especially ex-chancellors) were in favour of continued membership until the EU wanted to tax financial transactions then they were all for leaving? as the UK is a financial service based economy it would hit our bankers the hardest and the politicians would annoy their mates in the financial sector because bankers would lose some bonuses, is that why there is a push to hold a referendum because there was never anything said about pulling out when the manufacturing sector being destroyed by EU policies or am I being cynical?

"

But, who do you think will win eurovision?

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"What Cameron will get is small concessions and promises not worth the cost of the paper they are writtern on. Our governemt has no say in anything anymore, all changes and regulations have to be voted on by other members so if the majority say no then its tough luck.

There are a large number of countries who get more out of the EU than they put into it, if the UK backs out then there is less in the pot to dish out to them, likewise if the UK gets back exactly what it puts in then there is no point in it staying in.

Anyone noticed that the majority of politicians (especially ex-chancellors) were in favour of continued membership until the EU wanted to tax financial transactions then they were all for leaving? as the UK is a financial service based economy it would hit our bankers the hardest and the politicians would annoy their mates in the financial sector because bankers would lose some bonuses, is that why there is a push to hold a referendum because there was never anything said about pulling out when the manufacturing sector being destroyed by EU policies or am I being cynical?

But, who do you think will win eurovision? "

PMSL here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What Cameron will get is small concessions and promises not worth the cost of the paper they are writtern on. Our governemt has no say in anything anymore, all changes and regulations have to be voted on by other members so if the majority say no then its tough luck.

There are a large number of countries who get more out of the EU than they put into it, if the UK backs out then there is less in the pot to dish out to them, likewise if the UK gets back exactly what it puts in then there is no point in it staying in.

Anyone noticed that the majority of politicians (especially ex-chancellors) were in favour of continued membership until the EU wanted to tax financial transactions then they were all for leaving? as the UK is a financial service based economy it would hit our bankers the hardest and the politicians would annoy their mates in the financial sector because bankers would lose some bonuses, is that why there is a push to hold a referendum because there was never anything said about pulling out when the manufacturing sector being destroyed by EU policies or am I being cynical?

But, who do you think will win eurovision?

PMSL here "

I didn't even know Cameron was singing this year!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What Cameron will get is small concessions and promises not worth the cost of the paper they are writtern on. Our governemt has no say in anything anymore, all changes and regulations have to be voted on by other members so if the majority say no then its tough luck.

There are a large number of countries who get more out of the EU than they put into it, if the UK backs out then there is less in the pot to dish out to them, likewise if the UK gets back exactly what it puts in then there is no point in it staying in.

Anyone noticed that the majority of politicians (especially ex-chancellors) were in favour of continued membership until the EU wanted to tax financial transactions then they were all for leaving? as the UK is a financial service based economy it would hit our bankers the hardest and the politicians would annoy their mates in the financial sector because bankers would lose some bonuses, is that why there is a push to hold a referendum because there was never anything said about pulling out when the manufacturing sector being destroyed by EU policies or am I being cynical?

But, who do you think will win eurovision?

PMSL here

I didn't even know Cameron was singing this year! "

We should've sent Boris !

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Its never been the same since terry wogan left

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its never been the same since terry wogan left"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What Cameron will get is small concessions and promises not worth the cost of the paper they are writtern on. Our governemt has no say in anything anymore, all changes and regulations have to be voted on by other members so if the majority say no then its tough luck.

There are a large number of countries who get more out of the EU than they put into it, if the UK backs out then there is less in the pot to dish out to them, likewise if the UK gets back exactly what it puts in then there is no point in it staying in.

Anyone noticed that the majority of politicians (especially ex-chancellors) were in favour of continued membership until the EU wanted to tax financial transactions then they were all for leaving? as the UK is a financial service based economy it would hit our bankers the hardest and the politicians would annoy their mates in the financial sector because bankers would lose some bonuses, is that why there is a push to hold a referendum because there was never anything said about pulling out when the manufacturing sector being destroyed by EU policies or am I being cynical?

But, who do you think will win eurovision?

PMSL here

I didn't even know Cameron was singing this year!

We should've sent Boris ! "

Nah, he'd want to zip line in and wouldn't even make it to the stage! Nil points!

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By *uyuksno1Man
over a year ago

poole

why dont they let the people do a national vote on it everyone has an opinion on the euro debate if the people vote at least we get to chose whether we r in or out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why dont they let the people do a national vote on it everyone has an opinion on the euro debate if the people vote at least we get to chose whether we r in or out "

Well said!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why dont they let the people do a national vote on it everyone has an opinion on the euro debate if the people vote at least we get to chose whether we r in or out "

Because Graham Norton wouldn't be able to cope with the incoming calls whist commentating!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why dont they let the people do a national vote on it everyone has an opinion on the euro debate if the people vote at least we get to chose whether we r in or out

Because Graham Norton wouldn't be able to cope with the incoming calls whist commentating!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am in the stay in camp. Think about this for a moment most big businesses in uk are foreign owned and should we leave the european market they will move to other europoean areas to pky their trade.

As example being nissan they employ thousands here its not because the business sells more cars here than elsewhere its just a staging post.

Anyone who we are anything bar a warehouse nation because we hardly make and sell own goods anymore as manufacturing industries via various governments was allowed to die.

Yes we pay to europe but also get lots in return do not forget the rebate. As a proportion of gdp we are one of lowest contributors involved.

How many places do you come across which have signs etc fundex by euopoean economic development funds.

It is not so simple as in or out anyone who really thinks as a nation it will improve us is in my view living in cloud cuckoo land.

If it was not for europe wide agreements there would ve zero rights for workers etc.

Yes i agree there are problens that need sorting but an out vote is not the way.

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"why dont they let the people do a national vote on it everyone has an opinion on the euro debate if the people vote at least we get to chose whether we r in or out

Because Graham Norton wouldn't be able to cope with the incoming calls whist commentating!

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oui..... the first Eurovision semi-final is on now...... woop-woop,,,,I love-it......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How camp were those Slovenian backing dancers ???,,,,,, fook’in hell, seriously camp!.... love-it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wtf…. Croatia,,, that was just piss poor….

I mean like proper piss poor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Danish girl is barefoot and very pretty…. I like that!....

Songs OK too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aw no Russian grannies this year…..they ain’t even trying to win…

I feel cheated...

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By *plankyMan
over a year ago

Beeston


"I am in the stay in camp. Think about this for a moment most big businesses in uk are foreign owned and should we leave the european market they will move to other europoean areas to pky their trade.

"

It's true that the costs of leaving Europe are completely understated by the Europhobes - but the real and only reason for a referendum is to save the Conservative party from UKIP.

But the more important question is where the competition could ever fall to a Lordi type heavy metal band again.

I certainly hope so. Where's my monster outfit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ukrainian girl carried on stage by a giant wearing a silly hat….

This is more like it

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"Ukrainian girl carried on stage by a giant wearing a silly hat….

This is more like it "

Does he have a foof merkin too?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

ireland will win there year.... they have agreement with all of the countries to sell kerrygold butter on the cheap!!!!.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh-no Netherlands ..... just No!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah,,,,,, space suits and a crap song..... we have a winner

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ukrainian girl carried on stage by a giant wearing a silly hat….

This is more like it

Does he have a foof merkin too? "

I imagine he did...and it would be a shame if not

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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Yay!! Bet you're glad you're wearing your best gear tonight Soxy you're so worth it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

tuh,,,,Lithuania’s not trying either……rubbish....rubbish,,,,get off...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yay!! Bet you're glad you're wearing your best gear tonight Soxy you're so worth it "

I am so into this.... it's the highlight of my year,,,

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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I am so so frustrated, I can't watch it!! Stuck watching The Secrets of Everything and no its not about sex grrrrrr!

Soxy, I rely on you to tell me what's going on!! Please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Belarus girl is nearly wearing a dress….

That will get her votes

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Its never been the same since terry wogan left"

Agree. I find Graham Norton insufferable.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

just so i can keep up.. is jedward competing for ireland again this year??? lol they need to guarentee they don't win it or it will bankrupt the country

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

holy fake tan..... that is oompa lumpa orange!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Moldova …. More uber camp backing dancers …. Female singer enormous dress and lego hair….

Not great....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"just so i can keep up.. is jedward competing for ireland again this year??? lol they need to guarentee they don't win it or it will bankrupt the country"

No Jedward this year Fabio,,,which is shame really!!!

But the Irish song is alright,,, not great.... but not bad...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

you know what audience the irish entry is catering to ....

"those people".....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"you know what audience the irish entry is catering to ....

"those people"..... "

Hey Fabio...I hope your planning to run your usual Eurovision thread during the final......its tradition now ,,,,

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"Moldova …. More uber camp backing dancers …. Female singer enormous dress and lego hair….

Not great.... "

Camp? As in Camp coffee? Or Camp camp?

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"you know what audience the irish entry is catering to ....

"those people"..... "

No dissing the Irish Mr Fabio!! This world would not be what it is without River Dance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cyprus lady wearing a see through lace dress that looks like it was bought in Ann Summers and you can nearly see her Foof….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Moldova …. More uber camp backing dancers …. Female singer enormous dress and lego hair….

Not great....

Camp? As in Camp coffee? Or Camp camp?"

Camp spelt Mincer...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Belgium’s OK... but not a winner …. however the two girls dancers were interesting in a curious way if not Kinda Odd!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Serbia…. Ohhhhhh 3 pretty girls touching each-other, one struggles the other two poke their toungues out …….

I like this a lot….

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"Belgium’s OK... but not a winner …. however the two girls dancers were interesting in a curious way if not Kinda Odd!!! "

Belgiums are weird people! They eat chips with mussels...really, what that abt?

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"Serbia…. Ohhhhhh 3 pretty girls touching each-other, one struggles the other two poke their toungues out …….

I like this a lot…. "

Girl on girl action...that's more like it! Tongue action??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Serbia…. Ohhhhhh 3 pretty girls touching each-other, one struggles the other two poke their toungues out …….

I like this a lot….

Girl on girl action...that's more like it! Tongue action?? "

I'm sure that one will make it to the final... I hope so.....

But overall this semi has been a pretty dire selection of songs...... maybe the second semi will be better...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"you know what audience the irish entry is catering to ....

"those people".....

Hey Fabio...I hope your planning to run your usual Eurovision thread during the final......its tradition now ,,,, "

I am suppose to be going to a club on saturday night.... but I may take the phone out and text some lovely opinions.... lol

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"Serbia…. Ohhhhhh 3 pretty girls touching each-other, one struggles the other two poke their toungues out …….

I like this a lot….

Girl on girl action...that's more like it! Tongue action??

I'm sure that one will make it to the final... I hope so.....

But overall this semi has been a pretty dire selection of songs...... maybe the second semi will be better...

"

Can't be that bad if you've got a semi watching it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"you know what audience the irish entry is catering to ....

"those people".....

Hey Fabio...I hope your planning to run your usual Eurovision thread during the final......its tradition now ,,,,

I am suppose to be going to a club on saturday night.... but I may take the phone out and text some lovely opinions.... lol"

Nice one Fabbers.... its tradition after-all ...

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"you know what audience the irish entry is catering to ....

"those people".....

Hey Fabio...I hope your planning to run your usual Eurovision thread during the final......its tradition now ,,,,

I am suppose to be going to a club on saturday night.... but I may take the phone out and text some lovely opinions.... lol"

Euro king? Ha ha can't wait for Saturday's forums x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Serbia…. Ohhhhhh 3 pretty girls touching each-other, one struggles the other two poke their toungues out …….

I like this a lot….

Girl on girl action...that's more like it! Tongue action??

I'm sure that one will make it to the final... I hope so.....

But overall this semi has been a pretty dire selection of songs...... maybe the second semi will be better...

Can't be that bad if you've got a semi watching it "

Yeah but I didn't feel the urge fap-fap-fap like I normally do on these occassions,,,,, well maybe just a little twinge during the barefoot girls number,,,,,

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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Is it over for tonight then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it over for tonight then?"

Just the voting left tonight....

But they just showed a clip of the German entry,,, "Glorious" which is already a big hit accross Europe.... and sounds like a winner,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firts group of finalists....

Moldova

Russia

Ireland

Denmark

Lithuania

Belgium

Ukraine

Belarus

Netherlands

Estonia

No tongue girls though,,,, bummer…….!.

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"Firts group of finalists....

Moldova

Russia

Ireland

Denmark

Lithuania

Belgium

Ukraine

Belarus

Netherlands

Estonia

No tongue girls though,,,, bummer…….!.

"

Quite a mixed bunch haha! I might use force and steal the remote so I can watch the next semi finals! Thanks for keeping me updated and highly entertained Soxy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Moldova

Russia

Ireland

Denmark

Lithuania

Belgium

Ukraine

Belarus

Netherlands

Estonia

Hmmm, loads of Europeans there then

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

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"Moldova

Russia

Ireland

Denmark

Lithuania

Belgium

Ukraine

Belarus

Netherlands

Estonia

Hmmm, loads of Europeans there then"

You don't miss much, do you? (Joke)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Moldova

Russia

Ireland

Denmark

Lithuania

Belgium

Ukraine

Belarus

Netherlands

Estonia

Hmmm, loads of Europeans there then

You don't miss much, do you? (Joke) "

Just been and looked at Europe. Well some of it anyway. It was ok. Sun shone. Snow on Mt Blanc.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"I am in the stay in camp. Think about this for a moment most big businesses in uk are foreign owned and should we leave the european market they will move to other europoean areas to pky their trade.

No they wont, as we are already seeing with France the cash flight is away from the EU not towards it.

As example being nissan they employ thousands here its not because the business sells more cars here than elsewhere its just a staging post.

While you are partly right on that one, ask yourself this. Why do Puegeot make so many cars in the UK? Could it be something to do with the size of the UK market they want to tap in to?

Anyone who we are anything bar a warehouse nation because we hardly make and sell own goods anymore as manufacturing industries via various governments was allowed to die.

Yes we closed a lot of the old heavy industry, but Britain is still a leading manufacturer of high quality high tech products that deserve a world wide market, not inhibited by Brussels protectionism.

Yes we pay to europe but also get lots in return do not forget the rebate. As a proportion of gdp we are one of lowest contributors involved.

Total nonsense. Britain is the second (only behind Germany) highest net contributor.

How many places do you come across which have signs etc fundex by euopoean economic development funds.

Lots in Spain, very few in the UK or in Germany.

It is not so simple as in or out anyone who really thinks as a nation it will improve us is in my view living in cloud cuckoo land.

And Van Rumpoy, Schultz, and Barosso are on planet earth?

If it was not for europe wide agreements there would ve zero rights for workers etc.

Tell that to the TUC.

Yes i agree there are problens that need sorting but an out vote is not the way.

Oh yes it is. The Brussels elite are hell bent on creating a federal Europe including the abolition of the nation state. At the moment it is being controlled by an unelected commission answerable to no-one. Only an in out vote in Britain and other country's will bring them to heel.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Oh and as usual the song contest will be won by one of the old Soviet bloc country's who are the only ones who see this lump of outdated rubbish as relevant and prestigious.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

House of Lords has pretty much killed off the EU Referendum Bill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The statistics both in faviur of how much we pay in and get out can and are twisted by both parties.

I am in favour of being in eu.

We are in a global market now and whether folk like it or not when we as in uk try to get seperate trade deals with say usa we are weak whereas when the eu as one tries it works as strength in numbers.

The eu has benefits as well as problems we cannot and should not be able to pick and choose which law we wilk follow or not.

Remember we also have our share of meps from all parties and also have judges on the circuit in europe so to just say the usual shite about foreigners in human rights cases deciding what we do fact is we participate in decisions but folk believe the little englanders delusions.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The statistics both in faviur of how much we pay in and get out can and are twisted by both parties.

I am in favour of being in eu.

We are in a global market now and whether folk like it or not when we as in uk try to get seperate trade deals with say usa we are weak whereas when the eu as one tries it works as strength in numbers.

The eu has benefits as well as problems we cannot and should not be able to pick and choose which law we wilk follow or not.

Remember we also have our share of meps from all parties and also have judges on the circuit in europe so to just say the usual shite about foreigners in human rights cases deciding what we do fact is we participate in decisions but folk believe the little englanders delusions."

Sorry but thats rubbish, thousands upon thousands of jobs in mainland europe are reliant on trading with the uk, do you really think they would stop trading with us if we left the EU, and throw all that money, jobs down the toilet?

This is the kind of rubbish Labour and the Lib dems always come out with trying to scaremonger people into staying in the EU. We are one of the worlds largest economies, and London is one of the most important financial and trade capitals in the world. Would other countries really shun us if we were outside the EU, i seriously doubt it. Also we are more than capable of making our own trade deals with the USA. We need to look beyond the EU and the USA, and make trade deals with the upcoming global financial and economic superpowers like China and India. Also i would much prefer we did more business with our partners in the commonwealth, which is what the UKIP position is.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" .....Also i would much prefer we did more business with our partners in the commonwealth, which is what the UKIP position is. "

Does Farage know this is UKIP policy? As of lunchtime yesterday, live on air, he tore their manifesto up.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


" .....Also i would much prefer we did more business with our partners in the commonwealth, which is what the UKIP position is.

Does Farage know this is UKIP policy? As of lunchtime yesterday, live on air, he tore their manifesto up."

It's being written here on the Forum for him.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

From the Mail:

"However he said all policies were under review pending the party’s new manifesto for 2015, to be published after the European elections in May.

He claimed it would be ‘similar in flavour’, but the only policies he would commit to yesterday were bringing back grammar schools and leaving the EU.

Mr Farage floundered as he was asked about the party’s proposal to scrap Trident, saying he was not sure the suggestion had come from.

When told it was on the Ukip website, he said: ‘When it comes to websites, I’m not the expert.’ He also claimed not to know about a compulsory dress code for taxi drivers and proposal to repaint trains."

So they ask people to elect them to be MEPs with no manifesto but to leave the EU and then they'll work out the other details of what their policy will be.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" .....Also i would much prefer we did more business with our partners in the commonwealth, which is what the UKIP position is.

Does Farage know this is UKIP policy? As of lunchtime yesterday, live on air, he tore their manifesto up.

It's being written here on the Forum for him.

"

Looks like he wants to legalise handguns.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


" .....Also i would much prefer we did more business with our partners in the commonwealth, which is what the UKIP position is.

Does Farage know this is UKIP policy? As of lunchtime yesterday, live on air, he tore their manifesto up.

It's being written here on the Forum for him.

"

Its very easy to find this stuff on youtube people, just do a simple youtube search "Nigel Farage Commonwealth" and dozens of videos will pop up.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LngTmk8ifzc

The EU is a basket case, just look at the state of the euro currency, thank fook we did'nt listen to the Lib dems and join the euro, otherwise we could end up on the same road to ruin as Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, now possibly Spain and Italy. France's economy is wobbling and if they need a bailout the euro and the EU will really be finished.

Keep the British pound and get the fook out of the EU as soon as possible is what we need to do in this country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" .....Also i would much prefer we did more business with our partners in the commonwealth, which is what the UKIP position is.

Does Farage know this is UKIP policy? As of lunchtime yesterday, live on air, he tore their manifesto up.

It's being written here on the Forum for him.

Its very easy to find this stuff on youtube people, just do a simple youtube search "Nigel Farage Commonwealth" and dozens of videos will pop up.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LngTmk8ifzc

The EU is a basket case, just look at the state of the euro currency, thank fook we did'nt listen to the Lib dems and join the euro, otherwise we could end up on the same road to ruin as Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, now possibly Spain and Italy. France's economy is wobbling and if they need a bailout the euro and the EU will really be finished.

Keep the British pound and get the fook out of the EU as soon as possible is what we need to do in this country.

"

Little englanders routine is one ridiculous times change move on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The 'lets get out' brigade seem intent on throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Clinging to British Colonial past by bringing up the Commonwealth either shows naivity on the part of Farage or contempt for his followers. By contempt I mean that he knows he is offering a up an argument with little substance but he also knows his followers will give blind faith and not think it through.

A simple question. What stops a business in the UK trading with a country outside of the EU now right now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What Cameron will get is small concessions and promises not worth the cost of the paper they are writtern on. Our governemt has no say in anything anymore, all changes and regulations have to be voted on by other members so if the majority say no then its tough luck.

There are a large number of countries who get more out of the EU than they put into it, if the UK backs out then there is less in the pot to dish out to them, likewise if the UK gets back exactly what it puts in then there is no point in it staying in.

Anyone noticed that the majority of politicians (especially ex-chancellors) were in favour of continued membership until the EU wanted to tax financial transactions then they were all for leaving? as the UK is a financial service based economy it would hit our bankers the hardest and the politicians would annoy their mates in the financial sector because bankers would lose some bonuses, is that why there is a push to hold a referendum because there was never anything said about pulling out when the manufacturing sector being destroyed by EU policies or am I being cynical?

Well said

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"The 'lets get out' brigade seem intent on throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Clinging to British Colonial past by bringing up the Commonwealth either shows naivity on the part of Farage or contempt for his followers. By contempt I mean that he knows he is offering a up an argument with little substance but he also knows his followers will give blind faith and not think it through.

A simple question. What stops a business in the UK trading with a country outside of the EU now right now. "

Stops? Nothing.

Seriously hinders? The EU and its sclerotic bureaucracy and layer upon layer of pen pushing fossilised shit.

Any trade deal between a member state and a non EU country must either be negotiated by or rubber stamped by the EU.

Remember "Bra wars"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The statistics both in faviur of how much we pay in and get out can and are twisted by both parties.

I am in favour of being in eu.

We are in a global market now and whether folk like it or not when we as in uk try to get seperate trade deals with say usa we are weak whereas when the eu as one tries it works as strength in numbers.

The eu has benefits as well as problems we cannot and should not be able to pick and choose which law we wilk follow or not.

Remember we also have our share of meps from all parties and also have judges on the circuit in europe so to just say the usual shite about foreigners in human rights cases deciding what we do fact is we participate in decisions but folk believe the little englanders delusions.

Sorry but thats rubbish, thousands upon thousands of jobs in mainland europe are reliant on trading with the uk, do you really think they would stop trading with us if we left the EU, and throw all that money, jobs down the toilet?

This is the kind of rubbish Labour and the Lib dems always come out with trying to scaremonger people into staying in the EU. We are one of the worlds largest economies, and London is one of the most important financial and trade capitals in the world. Would other countries really shun us if we were outside the EU, i seriously doubt it. Also we are more than capable of making our own trade deals with the USA. We need to look beyond the EU and the USA, and make trade deals with the upcoming global financial and economic superpowers like China and India. Also i would much prefer we did more business with our partners in the commonwealth, which is what the UKIP position is. "

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

it is weird to see a thread that started off about the Eurovision Song contest turn into something else.......

I didn't know so many people cared... i though it was just me and soxy!!!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"it is weird to see a thread that started off about the Eurovision Song contest turn into something else.......

I didn't know so many people cared... i though it was just me and soxy!!! "

And me! I'm always there too.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"it is weird to see a thread that started off about the Eurovision Song contest turn into something else.......

I didn't know so many people cared... i though it was just me and soxy!!!

And me! I'm always there too. "

I am, but only if someone witty is doing the commentating at our end.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

Mr Farage floundered as he was asked about the party’s proposal to scrap Trident, saying he was not sure the suggestion had come from.

When told it was on the Ukip website, he said: ‘When it comes to websites, I’m not the expert.’ He also claimed not to know about a compulsory dress code for taxi drivers and proposal to repaint trains."

So they ask people to elect them to be MEPs with no manifesto but to leave the EU and then they'll work out the other details of what their policy will be.

"

as usual its apparent whenever they are pressed on other area's of policy, the pretty important stuff for us as a society that they are lacking in anything coherent..

of course that may be cos they're keeping said policies to their chest till just before they launch their manifesto in 2015..

or it could be they are a single issue pressure group with not many credible ideas beyond immigration..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The 'lets get out' brigade seem intent on throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Clinging to British Colonial past by bringing up the Commonwealth either shows naivity on the part of Farage or contempt for his followers. By contempt I mean that he knows he is offering a up an argument with little substance but he also knows his followers will give blind faith and not think it through.

A simple question. What stops a business in the UK trading with a country outside of the EU now right now.

Stops? Nothing.

Seriously hinders? The EU and its sclerotic bureaucracy and layer upon layer of pen pushing fossilised shit.

Any trade deal between a member state and a non EU country must either be negotiated by or rubber stamped by the EU.

Remember "Bra wars"?"

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".....

Remember "Bra wars"?"

Some folk will always find something to Mone about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Foreign companies avoid paying taxes of around £120 Billion a year because of the EU. In fact they don't even pay taxes in the Euro zone either because the likes of Starbucks are registered in tax havens.

So if we come out of the EU that's £120 billion a year better off already. The deficit is £120 billion a year so that cancels that out at a stroke with no more cuts.

Not to mention saving £9 billion a year in subscriptions to the EU & the masses we have to keep on the dole because foreigners have priced them out of the job market.

This EU is a completely stupid left- wing wank fantasy which is impoverishing people all over Europe.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".......................................

This EU is a completely stupid left- wing wank fantasy which is impoverishing people all over Europe. "

Is that the title of your thesis for your PhD?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".......................................

This EU is a completely stupid left- wing wank fantasy which is impoverishing people all over Europe.

Is that the title of your thesis for your PhD?"

No just my summary from my life experience. As with virtually ALL immigrants, my reasons were purely economic. I spent 11 years in 6 different countries & was an illegal immigrant fighting deportation myself.

I've also have been self-employed for 27 years & I've always been fascinated by politics & economics.

I've learnt a lot along the way, including how to look through Socialist bs. High tax/spend economies do not work. Socialism always, always runs out of other peoples money.

Five Labour Governments in British history. They left Britain in financial ruin five times & leaving unemployment higher every single time.

Socialists do not understand money. they do not understand how it is made nor how to retain it. All they know is how to spend, spend, spend.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


".....

Remember "Bra wars"?

Some folk will always find something to Mone about "

Funny.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".......................................

Five Labour Governments in British history. ......."

I'd demand a recount if I were you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's you Socialist lot that can't count! That's why we've got a debt crisis!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"It's you Socialist lot that can't count! That's why we've got a debt crisis! "

Do you really insist there have only been 5 Labour governments ?

I mean REALLY insist?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"It's you Socialist lot that can't count! That's why we've got a debt crisis!

Do you really insist there have only been 5 Labour governments ?

I mean REALLY insist?"

McDonald.

Attlee.

Wilson.

Wilson/Callaghan.

Blair/Brown.

That was five last time I looked.

I suppose, if you really wanted to split hairs, you could include the hung parliament (also led by McDonald) of 1924 to make it six.

On the other hand you could count each general election victory as a separate government, for example making the Blair /Brown years three separate governments, but as it was pretty much the same lot that was re-elected that would really be stretching credibility.

So I'm happy with five and as previously said, they all made a total bollox of running the economy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's you Socialist lot that can't count! That's why we've got a debt crisis!

Do you really insist there have only been 5 Labour governments ?

I mean REALLY insist?

McDonald.

Attlee.

Wilson.

Wilson/Callaghan.

Blair/Brown.

That was five last time I looked.

I suppose, if you really wanted to split hairs, you could include the hung parliament (also led by McDonald) of 1924 to make it six.

On the other hand you could count each general election victory as a separate government, for example making the Blair /Brown years three separate governments, but as it was pretty much the same lot that was re-elected that would really be stretching credibility.

So I'm happy with five and as previously said, they all made a total bollox of running the economy."

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


"Foreign companies avoid paying taxes of around £120 Billion a year because of the EU. In fact they don't even pay taxes in the Euro zone either because the likes of Starbucks are registered in tax havens.

So if we come out of the EU that's £120 billion a year better off already. The deficit is £120 billion a year so that cancels that out at a stroke with no more cuts.

Not to mention saving £9 billion a year in subscriptions to the EU & the masses we have to keep on the dole because foreigners have priced them out of the job market.

This EU is a completely stupid left- wing wank fantasy which is impoverishing people all over Europe. "

You seem to live in a bizarre fantasy land where the country having more money equates to the people having more money.

If you doubled our GDP, then 2% would get 90% and the other 98% would still get stuff all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No not at all. You cannot make the poor rich by making the rich poor. A high tax economy means that the poor pay more in taxes than they should. The introduction of the ridiculous "Tax-credits" system is an example. People on low wages supplemented by benefits to boost their income. Yet Companies have record profits. Why not just tax people less rather than take money off people, assess their every penny by a faceless jobsworth only in order to give some of their confiscated money back. Completely mental if you ask me.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"No not at all. You cannot make the poor rich by making the rich poor. A high tax economy means that the poor pay more in taxes than they should. The introduction of the ridiculous "Tax-credits" system is an example. People on low wages supplemented by benefits to boost their income. Yet Companies have record profits. Why not just tax people less rather than take money off people, assess their every penny by a faceless jobsworth only in order to give some of their confiscated money back. Completely mental if you ask me. "

on this i agree..

raise the salaries rather than have the extra burden of administration etc in paying working people benefit in order to live..

a complete load of tosh..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They take money with one hand, let the big company pay less than a living wage

The supermarkets employ most staff for 29 hours on minimum rate to avoid taxes for example & then the member of staff in most cases gets benefits. Why not employ less people full time on a living wage?

The answer of course is that it would cost the Supermarket a fortune in taxes. Stupid Governments putting taxes on jobs means less jobs!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" ..........On the other hand you could count each general election victory as a separate government, for example making the Blair /Brown years three separate governments, but as it was pretty much the same lot that was re-elected that would really be stretching credibility.

..............."

So if Shaggers Utd won the FA Cup 3-4 times in a row with "pretty much the same lot" every year, it would only count as one win?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Winning three consecutive terms in a row is one Labour Government yes. The B.Liar & Gormless Brown years. Just like when Maggie won 3 in a row it was the "Thatcher Government"

I do notice how you try & split hairs, the fact of the matter is, is that if you vote Labour, you vote for National bankruptcy every time.

Einstein once said that the definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing & expecting a different result. I don't see why "Socialism always running out of other people's money" should not be part of that equation.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


" ..........On the other hand you could count each general election victory as a separate government, for example making the Blair /Brown years three separate governments, but as it was pretty much the same lot that was re-elected that would really be stretching credibility.

...............

So if Shaggers Utd won the FA Cup 3-4 times in a row with "pretty much the same lot" every year, it would only count as one win?"

That would count as a win. As winning an election also counts as a win, but Shaggers Utd don't become Cocksucker Rovers just because they've won it twice. Still the same team, as in same government.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

5 Labour governments too many if you ask me. Dread to think what will happen if Egg Miliband and Ed Balls-up get into Power, as all their predictions so far about the economy flatlining and unemployment rising have been wrong. They are clueless fuckwits.

It was in the news this week that the IMF have revised our rate of growth up from 1.9% now to 2.4% and Ed Balls-up wants to throw a spanner in the works. Labour cannot be trusted running the economy and they have a well proven track record to prove it.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Winning three consecutive terms in a row is one Labour Government yes. The B.Liar & Gormless Brown years. Just like when Maggie won 3 in a row it was the "Thatcher Government"

I do notice how you try & split hairs, the fact of the matter is, is that if you vote Labour, you vote for National bankruptcy every time.

Einstein once said that the definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing & expecting a different result. I don't see why "Socialism always running out of other people's money" should not be part of that equation. "

Nice one

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"5 Labour governments too many if you ask me. Dread to think what will happen if Egg Miliband and Ed Balls-up get into Power, as all their predictions so far about the economy flatlining and unemployment rising have been wrong. They are clueless fuckwits.

It was in the news this week that the IMF have revised our rate of growth up from 1.9% now to 2.4% and Ed Balls-up wants to throw a spanner in the works. Labour cannot be trusted running the economy and they have a well proven track record to prove it."

The only thing I would disagree with is that Balls would throw a spanner in the works.

That dumbass would chuck the whole bloody toolbox in.

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