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"Don’t they give you the option to take a speed awareness course and avoid the points? If it was your first offence then I would assume that would be the normal thing." Yeah, read about the speed awareness course. I'd take it if it is offered, but there's no guarantee it'd be. | |||
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"This may be a helpful read fof you https://www.gov.uk/speeding-penalties" thank you, i've read it. however speeding points can either be 3 or 6, depending on the severity, my license will be revoked if it is a 6 | |||
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"This may be a helpful read fof you https://www.gov.uk/speeding-penalties thank you, i've read it. however speeding points can either be 3 or 6, depending on the severity, my license will be revoked if it is a 6" For 58 in a 50, I would be very surprised if 6 was imposed | |||
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"This may be a helpful read fof you https://www.gov.uk/speeding-penalties thank you, i've read it. however speeding points can either be 3 or 6, depending on the severity, my license will be revoked if it is a 6 For 58 in a 50, I would be very surprised if 6 was imposed" Well I hope not, fingers crossed.  | |||
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"This may be a helpful read fof you https://www.gov.uk/speeding-penalties thank you, i've read it. however speeding points can either be 3 or 6, depending on the severity, my license will be revoked if it is a 6 For 58 in a 50, I would be very surprised if 6 was imposed Well I hope not, fingers crossed. "If they do, don't just accept it You can seek legal assistance for this kind of thing It may cost, but if it means keeping your licence it may well be the better option You can, of course, choose to represent yourself and demonstrate economic hardship or similar in not having a licence (eg, your job relies on you having it etc) I do think though, that you are worrying unduly It's always a shock when these things drop through the letterbox I get the tailspin, but worry about if it escalates once you have returned your plea and they get back to you with your options | |||
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"This may be a helpful read fof you https://www.gov.uk/speeding-penalties thank you, i've read it. however speeding points can either be 3 or 6, depending on the severity, my license will be revoked if it is a 6 For 58 in a 50, I would be very surprised if 6 was imposed Well I hope not, fingers crossed.
If they do, don't just accept it
You can seek legal assistance for this kind of thing
It may cost, but if it means keeping your licence it may well be the better option
You can, of course, choose to represent yourself and demonstrate economic hardship or similar in not having a licence (eg, your job relies on you having it etc)
I do think though, that you are worrying unduly
It's always a shock when these things drop through the letterbox
I get the tailspin, but worry about if it escalates once you have returned your plea and they get back to you with your options "Thanks man. this was actually very helpful. I'd just wait and see. Not a biggie!  | |||
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"I hate these variable speed signs, when you get a sudden reduction in speed limits, as you're just about to hit the camera area. 50 to 40, is a frequent change I get. I usually have people tailgating me, as they want to speed" YEP, almost like they're hoping to get you, even worse cos it doesn't register on Google maps often | |||
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"Got a speeding ticket for driving 58 on a 50 speed limit on the M62 motorway. It was the variable limit sign that came up to reduce speed, drove through it. Had a Section 172 notice in my letterbox a few days later. I am a little nervous, as this is my first and I've had my license only 16 months. Anyone know if the penalty will be 6 or 3? I am waiting for the Fixed Penalty Letter. " THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELPFUL REPLIES. My Letter just dropped in my mailbox, I was offered the speed awareness course for 96 quid. Still a bit cheaper than the fine and I get no points on my license, this is fantastic.  | |||
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"Do the course but make sure you don't get caught again for 3 years or you'll have to take the points." LOL, yep, I'll be a good boy | |||
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"Got a speeding ticket for driving 58 on a 50 speed limit on the M62 motorway. It was the variable limit sign that came up to reduce speed, drove through it. Had a Section 172 notice in my letterbox a few days later. I am a little nervous, as this is my first and I've had my license only 16 months. Anyone know if the penalty will be 6 or 3? I am waiting for the Fixed Penalty Letter. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELPFUL REPLIES. My Letter just dropped in my mailbox, I was offered the speed awareness course for 96 quid. Still a bit cheaper than the fine and I get no points on my license, this is fantastic. "I did the speed awareness course, It wasn't so bad and it was online through teams | |||
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"Got a speeding ticket for driving 58 on a 50 speed limit on the M62 motorway. It was the variable limit sign that came up to reduce speed, drove through it. Had a Section 172 notice in my letterbox a few days later. I am a little nervous, as this is my first and I've had my license only 16 months. Anyone know if the penalty will be 6 or 3? I am waiting for the Fixed Penalty Letter. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELPFUL REPLIES. My Letter just dropped in my mailbox, I was offered the speed awareness course for 96 quid. Still a bit cheaper than the fine and I get no points on my license, this is fantastic.
I did the speed awareness course, It wasn't so bad and it was online through teams
"Yeah? I will be doing mine online as well. Caught the ticket on a road trip, off my city. So physical course would have been a huge damper | |||
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"Got a speeding ticket for driving 58 on a 50 speed limit on the M62 motorway. It was the variable limit sign that came up to reduce speed, drove through it. Had a Section 172 notice in my letterbox a few days later. I am a little nervous, as this is my first and I've had my license only 16 months. Anyone know if the penalty will be 6 or 3? I am waiting for the Fixed Penalty Letter. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELPFUL REPLIES. My Letter just dropped in my mailbox, I was offered the speed awareness course for 96 quid. Still a bit cheaper than the fine and I get no points on my license, this is fantastic. "Good news and result for you. Have a good day. | |||
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 and I enjoyed the “live” one so much more than the online one. But of course the online is much more convenient. | |||
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"Got a speeding ticket for driving 58 on a 50 speed limit on the M62 motorway. It was the variable limit sign that came up to reduce speed, drove through it. Had a Section 172 notice in my letterbox a few days later. I am a little nervous, as this is my first and I've had my license only 16 months. Anyone know if the penalty will be 6 or 3? I am waiting for the Fixed Penalty Letter. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELPFUL REPLIES. My Letter just dropped in my mailbox, I was offered the speed awareness course for 96 quid. Still a bit cheaper than the fine and I get no points on my license, this is fantastic. "1. Will it change how you drive in future ? 2. If it will change how you drive in the future, how will your driving change ? | |||
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"The courses are really well made and the people who deliver them are so engaging… I worked in training many years and these guys are top notch. I have done two speed awareness courses in my 18 years of holding a UK driving licence and I enjoyed the “live” one so much more than the online one. But of course the online is much more convenient. "Did it change how you drive? | |||
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"Got a speeding ticket for driving 58 on a 50 speed limit on the M62 motorway. It was the variable limit sign that came up to reduce speed, drove through it. Had a Section 172 notice in my letterbox a few days later. I am a little nervous, as this is my first and I've had my license only 16 months. Anyone know if the penalty will be 6 or 3? I am waiting for the Fixed Penalty Letter. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELPFUL REPLIES. My Letter just dropped in my mailbox, I was offered the speed awareness course for 96 quid. Still a bit cheaper than the fine and I get no points on my license, this is fantastic.
1. Will it change how you drive in future ?
2. If it will change how you drive in the future, how will your driving change ?"I can't tell until I take the course I imagine. But getting the ticket alone has made me more aware of variable limit signs, cos I find those the most confusing. Especially when they tend to pop up and you don't see the "End" sign for the next several miles and everyone else seem to be back on regular speed. | |||
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"Got a speeding ticket for driving 58 on a 50 speed limit on the M62 motorway. It was the variable limit sign that came up to reduce speed, drove through it. Had a Section 172 notice in my letterbox a few days later. I am a little nervous, as this is my first and I've had my license only 16 months. Anyone know if the penalty will be 6 or 3? I am waiting for the Fixed Penalty Letter. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELPFUL REPLIES. My Letter just dropped in my mailbox, I was offered the speed awareness course for 96 quid. Still a bit cheaper than the fine and I get no points on my license, this is fantastic.
1. Will it change how you drive in future ?
2. If it will change how you drive in the future, how will your driving change ?
I can't tell until I take the course I imagine. But getting the ticket alone has made me more aware of variable limit signs, cos I find those the most confusing. Especially when they tend to pop up and you don't see the "End" sign for the next several miles and everyone else seem to be back on regular speed. "Lesson 1 Glasshoppaaaa......... Drive your OWN car. Don't let others drive yours. If YOU haven't seen the END sign it's not the END yet. I only stole the sweets cos the others did Miss... | |||
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"We can le you off this time cos you are young LMAOO. You should consider changing your name to "Grumpy-Granny".
I will promise. When you change yours to something more suitable "Well, Miss grumpy Granny, what would you consider suitable? Ehh? | |||
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"We can le you off this time cos you are young LMAOO. You should consider changing your name to "Grumpy-Granny".
I will promise. When you change yours to something more suitable
Well, Miss grumpy Granny, what would you consider suitable? Ehh? "Sexual_Speeding | |||
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"We can le you off this time cos you are young LMAOO. You should consider changing your name to "Grumpy-Granny".
I will promise. When you change yours to something more suitable
Well, Miss grumpy Granny, what would you consider suitable? Ehh?
Sexual_Speeding"Speedophile. | |||
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"We can le you off this time cos you are young LMAOO. You should consider changing your name to "Grumpy-Granny".
I will promise. When you change yours to something more suitable
Well, Miss grumpy Granny, what would you consider suitable? Ehh? "Well .... I 'll give that some thought but not sentient. Sentient means to be able to perceive n you can't even see a bloody motorway sign
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"We can le you off this time cos you are young LMAOO. You should consider changing your name to "Grumpy-Granny".
I will promise. When you change yours to something more suitable
Well, Miss grumpy Granny, what would you consider suitable? Ehh?
Sexual_Speeding
Speedophile."FFS.......... LOL | |||
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"Got a speeding ticket for driving 58 on a 50 speed limit on the M62 motorway. It was the variable limit sign that came up to reduce speed, drove through it. Had a Section 172 notice in my letterbox a few days later. I am a little nervous, as this is my first and I've had my license only 16 months. Anyone know if the penalty will be 6 or 3? I am waiting for the Fixed Penalty Letter. " You’re 1mph over the 10% + 2 guideline. You should get the option for a speed awareness course if it’s your first offence. They’re not as bad as you think. Just be sure you have the correct venue details for the course. This will avoid the need to do 125mph on the M5 at 08:45. Still, at least I wasn’t late…   | |||
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"Speedophile actually don't sound too bad, but on the other hand, it could easy mean druggie if the context is lost. get creative "Think I'd prefer people thinking that than the other. | |||
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"Got a speeding ticket for driving 58 on a 50 speed limit on the M62 motorway. It was the variable limit sign that came up to reduce speed, drove through it. Had a Section 172 notice in my letterbox a few days later. I am a little nervous, as this is my first and I've had my license only 16 months. Anyone know if the penalty will be 6 or 3? I am waiting for the Fixed Penalty Letter. You’re 1mph over the 10% + 2 guideline. You should get the option for a speed awareness course if it’s your first offence. They’re not as bad as you think. Just be sure you have the correct venue details for the course. This will avoid the need to do 125mph on the M5 at 08:45. Still, at least I wasn’t late… "He got one. Now he's going to call you Grumpy ........ honest  | |||
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"We can le you off this time cos you are young LMAOO. You should consider changing your name to "Grumpy-Granny".
I will promise. When you change yours to something more suitable
Well, Miss grumpy Granny, what would you consider suitable? Ehh?
Well .... I 'll give that some thought but not sentient. Sentient means to be able to perceive n you can't even see a bloody motorway sign
Maybe NudeAxolotl suits you "LMAO, you've really gone and brought out my nerdy side. Didn't know what an Axolotl was. Googled. Good one (for others reading, it's basically a specie of fish that have very poor vision) I wouldn't mind changing it to that, but mehn, I've looked at images of the fish and they don't look very "handsome". Definitely not the best of the pile myself, but I like to think I'm not as ugly. Got any more suggestions? | |||
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"As a new qualified driver your licence will be revoked if you get 6 points in first two years. This is a DVLA decision, so pleading hardship in the court will not make a difference. That option is only if you get 12 points on your licence once you are out your probation period. Chances are you'll get a fixed penalty of £100 fine and 3 points or most probably the offer of a speed awareness course as the limit for this is 10% plus 9mph. So on a 50 it would be 64. But this is at the discretion of the prosecuting authority. You can Google sentencing guidelines which give the range of penalties you get for speeding, again 3 points but costs would be more due to court costs but you can argue just to be fined £100 same as a fixed penalty. You can only do one speed awareness course of of each every 3 years as they are different between motorway and none motorway. As long as this is your first time the only chance you have of gaining 6 points and having your licence revoked is if you don't return the section 172 form identifying the driver. This is a mandatory 6 points. Always photograph the form and send recorded delivery. The other two easiest ways to get 6 points is touching your phone (even if stationary) or no insurance, each of these carry 6 points mandatory " So which season of Police Interceptors did you star in, cos I’m sensing Traffic levels of knowledge here…?
Off topic question… where does the law stand on using a digital device while it’s mounted in a cradle??
I drive a taxi, and our prebookings are dispatched via a mobile phone app. I’m sure you can see where I’m going with that??  | |||
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"Speedophile actually don't sound too bad, but on the other hand, it could easy mean druggie if the context is lost. get creative
Think I'd prefer people thinking that than the other."LMAO. Naa.. Druggie is a no no. I like to be in control (of my senses that is) | |||
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"We can le you off this time cos you are young LMAOO. You should consider changing your name to "Grumpy-Granny".
I will promise. When you change yours to something more suitable
Well, Miss grumpy Granny, what would you consider suitable? Ehh?
Well .... I 'll give that some thought but not sentient. Sentient means to be able to perceive n you can't even see a bloody motorway sign
Maybe NudeAxolotl suits you
LMAO, you've really gone and brought out my nerdy side. Didn't know what an Axolotl was. Googled. Good one
(for others reading, it's basically a specie of fish that have very poor vision)
I wouldn't mind changing it to that, but mehn, I've looked at images of the fish and they don't look very "handsome". Definitely not the best of the pile myself, but I like to think I'm not as ugly.
Got any more suggestions? "Yeah ..... Let's start with DirtyTicket58 | |||
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"As a new qualified driver your licence will be revoked if you get 6 points in first two years. This is a DVLA decision, so pleading hardship in the court will not make a difference. That option is only if you get 12 points on your licence once you are out your probation period. Chances are you'll get a fixed penalty of £100 fine and 3 points or most probably the offer of a speed awareness course as the limit for this is 10% plus 9mph. So on a 50 it would be 64. But this is at the discretion of the prosecuting authority. You can Google sentencing guidelines which give the range of penalties you get for speeding, again 3 points but costs would be more due to court costs but you can argue just to be fined £100 same as a fixed penalty. You can only do one speed awareness course of of each every 3 years as they are different between motorway and none motorway. As long as this is your first time the only chance you have of gaining 6 points and having your licence revoked is if you don't return the section 172 form identifying the driver. This is a mandatory 6 points. Always photograph the form and send recorded delivery. The other two easiest ways to get 6 points is touching your phone (even if stationary) or no insurance, each of these carry 6 points mandatory So which season of Police Interceptors did you star in, cos I’m sensing Traffic levels of knowledge here…?
Off topic question… where does the law stand on using a digital device while it’s mounted in a cradle??
I drive a taxi, and our prebookings are dispatched via a mobile phone app. I’m sure you can see where I’m going with that?? "Might not be the best person to answer this, but I'll give it a shot. The was this traffic policeman on Tiktok that was explaining the different nuances. Apparently according to him, mobile on a cradle still counts as use of mobile. He admits it's a bit silly since most mobile cars have smart dash systems that can even be more distracting than mounted mobiles, but the law hasn't been updated much. And depending on the policeman that stops you, he could let you off if he's nice. He advises that it's best to stop and park to set your map or use your mobile on a mount if you must. | |||
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"We can le you off this time cos you are young LMAOO. You should consider changing your name to "Grumpy-Granny".
I will promise. When you change yours to something more suitable
Well, Miss grumpy Granny, what would you consider suitable? Ehh?
Well .... I 'll give that some thought but not sentient. Sentient means to be able to perceive n you can't even see a bloody motorway sign
Maybe NudeAxolotl suits you
LMAO, you've really gone and brought out my nerdy side. Didn't know what an Axolotl was. Googled. Good one
(for others reading, it's basically a specie of fish that have very poor vision)
I wouldn't mind changing it to that, but mehn, I've looked at images of the fish and they don't look very "handsome". Definitely not the best of the pile myself, but I like to think I'm not as ugly.
Got any more suggestions?
Yeah ..... Let's start with DirtyTicket58"LMAOOOOOO. Damn!, you're on a roll today | |||
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"The courses are really well made and the people who deliver them are so engaging… I worked in training many years and these guys are top notch. I have done two speed awareness courses in my 18 years of holding a UK driving licence and I enjoyed the “live” one so much more than the online one. But of course the online is much more convenient.
Did it change how you drive?"It did! To be fair, the second time I was in a new car in 2022 where really you don’t feel how fast you’re going… it was a 35 in a zone quickly going from 40 to 30. Not an excuse and not good at all. But I am much more aware now. I go on the M25 every day I work so am very aware of how bad accidents can be. | |||
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"The courses are really well made and the people who deliver them are so engaging… I worked in training many years and these guys are top notch. I have done two speed awareness courses in my 18 years of holding a UK driving licence and I enjoyed the “live” one so much more than the online one. But of course the online is much more convenient.
Did it change how you drive?
It did!
To be fair, the second time I was in a new car in 2022 where really you don’t feel how fast you’re going… it was a 35 in a zone quickly going from 40 to 30. Not an excuse and not good at all. But I am much more aware now. I go on the M25 every day I work so am very aware of how bad accidents can be. "Alright, I am more aware right now as well, hopefully, I remain a good boy | |||
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"As a new qualified driver your licence will be revoked if you get 6 points in first two years. This is a DVLA decision, so pleading hardship in the court will not make a difference. That option is only if you get 12 points on your licence once you are out your probation period. Chances are you'll get a fixed penalty of £100 fine and 3 points or most probably the offer of a speed awareness course as the limit for this is 10% plus 9mph. So on a 50 it would be 64. But this is at the discretion of the prosecuting authority. You can Google sentencing guidelines which give the range of penalties you get for speeding, again 3 points but costs would be more due to court costs but you can argue just to be fined £100 same as a fixed penalty. You can only do one speed awareness course of of each every 3 years as they are different between motorway and none motorway. As long as this is your first time the only chance you have of gaining 6 points and having your licence revoked is if you don't return the section 172 form identifying the driver. This is a mandatory 6 points. Always photograph the form and send recorded delivery. The other two easiest ways to get 6 points is touching your phone (even if stationary) or no insurance, each of these carry 6 points mandatory So which season of Police Interceptors did you star in, cos I’m sensing Traffic levels of knowledge here…?
Off topic question… where does the law stand on using a digital device while it’s mounted in a cradle??
I drive a taxi, and our prebookings are dispatched via a mobile phone app. I’m sure you can see where I’m going with that?? "Let's just call it an " interesting hobby". As for your question, the offence is operating/touching a transmitting device, irrespective of where it is, so it doesn't matter if it's in the cradle, your hand or even the passenger seat and you don't even have to be moving, eg, sat at traffic lights. (People (cyclists) are even filming people at traffic lights and sending into the police for prosecution). Ironically if you are operating a sat nav as opposed to the sat nav on your phone, that's not an offence, neither is operating your phone from your steering wheel etc. It's not the world's best thought out law. To be safe, take your pre booking whilst parked up and then don't touch your phone whilst moving | |||
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"As a new qualified driver your licence will be revoked if you get 6 points in first two years. This is a DVLA decision, so pleading hardship in the court will not make a difference. That option is only if you get 12 points on your licence once you are out your probation period. Chances are you'll get a fixed penalty of £100 fine and 3 points or most probably the offer of a speed awareness course as the limit for this is 10% plus 9mph. So on a 50 it would be 64. But this is at the discretion of the prosecuting authority. You can Google sentencing guidelines which give the range of penalties you get for speeding, again 3 points but costs would be more due to court costs but you can argue just to be fined £100 same as a fixed penalty. You can only do one speed awareness course of of each every 3 years as they are different between motorway and none motorway. As long as this is your first time the only chance you have of gaining 6 points and having your licence revoked is if you don't return the section 172 form identifying the driver. This is a mandatory 6 points. Always photograph the form and send recorded delivery. The other two easiest ways to get 6 points is touching your phone (even if stationary) or no insurance, each of these carry 6 points mandatory So which season of Police Interceptors did you star in, cos I’m sensing Traffic levels of knowledge here…?
Off topic question… where does the law stand on using a digital device while it’s mounted in a cradle??
I drive a taxi, and our prebookings are dispatched via a mobile phone app. I’m sure you can see where I’m going with that??
Might not be the best person to answer this, but I'll give it a shot.
The was this traffic policeman on Tiktok that was explaining the different nuances. Apparently according to him, mobile on a cradle still counts as use of mobile. He admits it's a bit silly since most mobile cars have smart dash systems that can even be more distracting than mounted mobiles, but the law hasn't been updated much. And depending on the policeman that stops you, he could let you off if he's nice.
He advises that it's best to stop and park to set your map or use your mobile on a mount if you must. "Here’s the problem, I actually CAN’T stop to use the device. I have 59 seconds to pick up a job before it goes to another car. And I’m not even driving for (sorry for swearing…) uber. I’m relying on the hardware provider to have done their due diligence, and made sure it’s all legal? I do recall some sort of caveat, where a driver can use a mounted device if it only requires a single button press. 100% agree about modern vehicles and interactive screens though!!! Having an iPad set into your dash is madness!! Ultimately, it’s cheaper for a manufacturer to fit a screen, and have as much functionality for the vehicle as possible operate through it. Saves money on designing, and finding space for a collection of buttons. They’re even harder to operate in a RHD vehicle with your left hand!!! Having said all of that, it’s now far less likely for my partner to reset the sat nav, turn up the radio, or make a phone call while I’m getting road-head. (thought I’d better bring it back to a fabs-friendly post!
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You’re right though… crazy rule! The kit is all broadly the same across the industry, and I’ve never been 100% confident that it’s legal… | |||
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