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"It pains me to say this as a Leicester fan, but Numno Espirito Santo has to be in the mix, surely!" I was tempted to put him 3rd....... 
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"I think everyone who loves football would say David moyes. The way he has been treated by his ex clubs he has shown a great football mind and dignity" 1st, 2nd or 3rd? Who are your top 3? J | |||
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"Too soon ! If Nuno gets top 5 or Glasner wins FA Cup then they are Top 3 for sure. Would definitely put Eddie Howe (League Cup and likely Top 5) in the mix." Who are your top three? It's just for fun yah know.
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"Too soon ! If Nuno gets top 5 or Glasner wins FA Cup then they are Top 3 for sure. Would definitely put Eddie Howe (League Cup and likely Top 5) in the mix. Who are your top three? It's just for fun yah know.
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"Eddie Howe 100% the way he has transformed that team is unreal " Agreed, he's done it over time, building season by season. He only just dipped out of my top 3.
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"Too soon ! If Nuno gets top 5 or Glasner wins FA Cup then they are Top 3 for sure. Would definitely put Eddie Howe (League Cup and likely Top 5) in the mix. Who are your top three? It's just for fun yah know.
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If Forest and Newcastle get Champions League then.
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3. Howe"What makes me go  is the thought of Man United or Spurs getting into the CL next season, given their current PL places......
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" If Forest and Newcastle get Champions League then. 1. Nuno 2. Slot 3. Howe" Hard to disagree with that top 3 | |||
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" If Forest and Newcastle get Champions League then. 1. Nuno 2. Slot 3. Howe Hard to disagree with that top 3" They're getting on a few lists here so far. 
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"1 Andoni Iraola worked wonders 2 Arne Slot 3 Eddie Howe YNWA 20 "Bournemouth were unlucky today, that was never a red card. The still of the connection looked shocking, the slow mo showed exactly what happened. Shocking decision. Spoilt the game and tipped the balance. J | |||
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"For me Slot has to be top. We all seem to have taken it for granted that Liverpool were nailed onto win this year but that wasn’t the feeling back in August. The question everyone was asking then was who is the Slot guy and how is he going to fill Klopps shoes? The fact that no one seems to remember August tells you how well he has done. Personally I would give the manager of the year to Klopp/Slot - it’s almost unheard of for a manager to bequeath a great team to his successor and assist in the hand over so well. To take that mantle on and then run with it is quality." That's my thoughts on why I placed him 3rd. He took over an already successful team. PL title in a maiden season is a great achievement. Mourinho did it 2004/2005, Ancelloti in 2009/2010, Conte 2016/2017, Pellegrini 2014/2015 and Ranieri 2015/2016 all show it's not impossible for a great manager, which Slot is. J | |||
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"If Chelsea finish top 5 and win the Conference where does Maresca rank ? " Was just contemplating that but concluded that any half decent manager should be able to do that with Chelsea's current squad. | |||
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"If Chelsea finish top 5 and win the Conference where does Maresca rank ? Was just contemplating that but concluded that any half decent manager should be able to do that with Chelsea's current squad. " In theory but the Club seems pretty chaotic and not easy to manage. | |||
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"If Chelsea finish top 5 and win the Conference where does Maresca rank ? " I'd not place him top three, much as it pains me. Given the Chelsea squad I think achieving top 5 in the PL isn't in my top 3, based purely on my own "scoring" rational. Would be great to see Chelsea back in the CL and/or with a bit of shiny. J | |||
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"Slot is number 1. He’s come in from a different league, bought one player, who’s pretty much sat on the bench and got a team that only finished 3rd last season to dominate a league. People are saying the league is easier this year due to other teams failure but Liverpool are on for getting 90 points without a team pushing them. The usual mid table sides have got better and teams are taking points off each other except one team. There’s a lot of managers who have been fantastic for parts of the season, but even Forest are dropping like a stone now. If they had 3/4 of the season award then Nunez would be up there and if they get Champs League then I’d say he’s 2nd but what Slot has done over the full season is an incredible achievement. Moyes 😱…he’s clearly turned Everton around but only done well for about 10 games. 1st Slot 2nd Howe - got his team up there whilst winning a cup 3rd - Nunez K" Which do you think is harder, coming from a different league to an already successful team and winning the PL, or coming from a different league, taking over a club 5 points below safety and falling apart, taking them on a winning run that sets a club record, and gets them 20 points clear of relegation, to mid table safety? I like these type of discussions.
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"Slot is number 1. He’s come in from a different league, bought one player, who’s pretty much sat on the bench and got a team that only finished 3rd last season to dominate a league. People are saying the league is easier this year due to other teams failure but Liverpool are on for getting 90 points without a team pushing them. The usual mid table sides have got better and teams are taking points off each other except one team. There’s a lot of managers who have been fantastic for parts of the season, but even Forest are dropping like a stone now. If they had 3/4 of the season award then Nunez would be up there and if they get Champs League then I’d say he’s 2nd but what Slot has done over the full season is an incredible achievement. Moyes 😱…he’s clearly turned Everton around but only done well for about 10 games. 1st Slot 2nd Howe - got his team up there whilst winning a cup 3rd - Nunez K Which do you think is harder, coming from a different league to an already successful team and winning the PL, or coming from a different league, taking over a club 5 points below safety and falling apart, taking them on a winning run that sets a club record, and gets them 20 points clear of relegation, to mid table safety? I like these type of discussions.
J"Slot took over from one of the most iconic managers and made the side more defensively minded whilst increasing their attack potential. He transformed the side and made it look seamless. The likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham, Palace have done fantastically well and it’s different levels of expectation for each of the clubs so I honestly couldn’t say which one is harder but everyone expected Liverpool to not finish in the top 3 this season so to completely exceed that and make a team more powerful, without changing them, is a masterstroke. | |||
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" Moyes 😱…he’s clearly turned Everton around but only done well for about 10 games. 1st Slot 2nd Howe - got his team up there whilst winning a cup 3rd - Nunez K" Pretty much in agreement with this based on achievement so far, but pound for pound, Iraola, Moyes and Pereira are worth a shout. | |||
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"Slot is number 1. He’s come in from a different league, bought one player, who’s pretty much sat on the bench and got a team that only finished 3rd last season to dominate a league. People are saying the league is easier this year due to other teams failure but Liverpool are on for getting 90 points without a team pushing them. The usual mid table sides have got better and teams are taking points off each other except one team. There’s a lot of managers who have been fantastic for parts of the season, but even Forest are dropping like a stone now. If they had 3/4 of the season award then Nunez would be up there and if they get Champs League then I’d say he’s 2nd but what Slot has done over the full season is an incredible achievement. Moyes 😱…he’s clearly turned Everton around but only done well for about 10 games. 1st Slot 2nd Howe - got his team up there whilst winning a cup 3rd - Nunez K Which do you think is harder, coming from a different league to an already successful team and winning the PL, or coming from a different league, taking over a club 5 points below safety and falling apart, taking them on a winning run that sets a club record, and gets them 20 points clear of relegation, to mid table safety? I like these type of discussions.
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Slot took over from one of the most iconic managers and made the side more defensively minded whilst increasing their attack potential.
He transformed the side and made it look seamless.
The likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham, Palace have done fantastically well and it’s different levels of expectation for each of the clubs so I honestly couldn’t say which one is harder but everyone expected Liverpool to not finish in the top 3 this season so to completely exceed that and make a team more powerful, without changing them, is a masterstroke.
"I suspect people were thinking the same would happen to Liverpool that happened to Man Utd after Sir Alex Ferguson left. Klopp was going to be tough act to follow, so maybe the expectations were lower. Slot's done remarkably well to improve that team. No arguments from me.
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"Slot is number 1. He’s come in from a different league, bought one player, who’s pretty much sat on the bench and got a team that only finished 3rd last season to dominate a league. People are saying the league is easier this year due to other teams failure but Liverpool are on for getting 90 points without a team pushing them. The usual mid table sides have got better and teams are taking points off each other except one team. There’s a lot of managers who have been fantastic for parts of the season, but even Forest are dropping like a stone now. If they had 3/4 of the season award then Nunez would be up there and if they get Champs League then I’d say he’s 2nd but what Slot has done over the full season is an incredible achievement. Moyes 😱…he’s clearly turned Everton around but only done well for about 10 games. 1st Slot 2nd Howe - got his team up there whilst winning a cup 3rd - Nunez K Which do you think is harder, coming from a different league to an already successful team and winning the PL, or coming from a different league, taking over a club 5 points below safety and falling apart, taking them on a winning run that sets a club record, and gets them 20 points clear of relegation, to mid table safety? I like these type of discussions.
J"When a manager takes over from a side I deep relegation trouble, the only way is up. The pressure is lifted a bit becauseyou have nothing to lose, if you succeed your a hero, if not well they were already in trouble. The higher up and each step forward gets that much harder and the competition that much feircer. When your top, everyone lifts their game against you, look how Man Utd played at Anfield. I would describe it like climbing a mountain. The higher you go the harder it gets.. | |||
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"It pains me to say this as a Leicester fan, but Numno Espirito Santo has to be in the mix, surely!" totally agree | |||
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"Don't want to diminish Lot's achievements, and he's my number one unless Newcastle or Forest pip Arsenal to 2nd (which is possible but a very tall order). But the domination of the league is as much about the underachievement of Arsenal and Man City as about Liverpool being excellent. " This seems to be a narrative that's being peddled by a lot of people on social media lately and you seem to be parroting it. If you look at the stats, Slots teams average points per game is 6th highest in by champions in the Premier league history. Only 3 of Gaurdiola's teams, Conte's Chelsea and Kolpps Liverpool are the only title winning sides with more points per game than Slot. So by that logic all the other 27 title winners were because the other teams under achieved. So that's all of the Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho teams. | |||
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"Don't want to diminish Lot's achievements, and he's my number one unless Newcastle or Forest pip Arsenal to 2nd (which is possible but a very tall order). But the domination of the league is as much about the underachievement of Arsenal and Man City as about Liverpool being excellent. This seems to be a narrative that's being peddled by a lot of people on social media lately and you seem to be parroting it. If you look at the stats, Slots teams average points per game is 6th highest in by champions in the Premier league history. Only 3 of Gaurdiola's teams, Conte's Chelsea and Kolpps Liverpool are the only title winning sides with more points per game than Slot. So by that logic all the other 27 title winners were because the other teams under achieved. So that's all of the Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho teams." In fact Man City in the last 2 seasons had less points per game average than Slotts side. Never heard anyone saying they won because Arsenal and Liverpool under achieved. | |||
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"Slot is number 1. He’s come in from a different league, bought one player, who’s pretty much sat on the bench and got a team that only finished 3rd last season to dominate a league. People are saying the league is easier this year due to other teams failure but Liverpool are on for getting 90 points without a team pushing them. The usual mid table sides have got better and teams are taking points off each other except one team. There’s a lot of managers who have been fantastic for parts of the season, but even Forest are dropping like a stone now. If they had 3/4 of the season award then Nunez would be up there and if they get Champs League then I’d say he’s 2nd but what Slot has done over the full season is an incredible achievement. Moyes 😱…he’s clearly turned Everton around but only done well for about 10 games. 1st Slot 2nd Howe - got his team up there whilst winning a cup 3rd - Nunez K Which do you think is harder, coming from a different league to an already successful team and winning the PL, or coming from a different league, taking over a club 5 points below safety and falling apart, taking them on a winning run that sets a club record, and gets them 20 points clear of relegation, to mid table safety? I like these type of discussions.
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When a manager takes over from a side I deep relegation trouble, the only way is up. The pressure is lifted a bit becauseyou have nothing to lose, if you succeed your a hero, if not well they were already in trouble.
The higher up and each step forward gets that much harder and the competition that much feircer. When your top, everyone lifts their game against you, look how Man Utd played at Anfield.
I would describe it like climbing a mountain. The higher you go the harder it gets.."Not sure I agree with your first paragraph, the pressure to stay in the PL must be intense, from the boardroom, to the stands, pundits and press writing you off before you've sat in the dug out. Takes some cajones to not that effect you, but still improve your team. Second paragraph, I'd liken in to the gunslingers of old, where everyone wants to beat the fastest gun in the west. Every game is like a cup final. J | |||
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"Slot is number 1. He’s come in from a different league, bought one player, who’s pretty much sat on the bench and got a team that only finished 3rd last season to dominate a league. People are saying the league is easier this year due to other teams failure but Liverpool are on for getting 90 points without a team pushing them. The usual mid table sides have got better and teams are taking points off each other except one team. There’s a lot of managers who have been fantastic for parts of the season, but even Forest are dropping like a stone now. If they had 3/4 of the season award then Nunez would be up there and if they get Champs League then I’d say he’s 2nd but what Slot has done over the full season is an incredible achievement. Moyes 😱…he’s clearly turned Everton around but only done well for about 10 games. 1st Slot 2nd Howe - got his team up there whilst winning a cup 3rd - Nunez K Which do you think is harder, coming from a different league to an already successful team and winning the PL, or coming from a different league, taking over a club 5 points below safety and falling apart, taking them on a winning run that sets a club record, and gets them 20 points clear of relegation, to mid table safety? I like these type of discussions.
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When a manager takes over from a side I deep relegation trouble, the only way is up. The pressure is lifted a bit becauseyou have nothing to lose, if you succeed your a hero, if not well they were already in trouble.
The higher up and each step forward gets that much harder and the competition that much feircer. When your top, everyone lifts their game against you, look how Man Utd played at Anfield.
I would describe it like climbing a mountain. The higher you go the harder it gets..
Not sure I agree with your first paragraph, the pressure to stay in the PL must be intense, from the boardroom, to the stands, pundits and press writing you off before you've sat in the dug out. Takes some cajones to not that effect you, but still improve your team.
Second paragraph, I'd liken in to the gunslingers of old, where everyone wants to beat the fastest gun in the west. Every game is like a cup final.
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"I reckon it would be easier to motivate players threatened with relegation. They all probably have clauses in their contracts, like big drop in wages if relegated etc.. | |||
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"Don't want to diminish Lot's achievements, and he's my number one unless Newcastle or Forest pip Arsenal to 2nd (which is possible but a very tall order). But the domination of the league is as much about the underachievement of Arsenal and Man City as about Liverpool being excellent. This seems to be a narrative that's being peddled by a lot of people on social media lately and you seem to be parroting it. If you look at the stats, Slots teams average points per game is 6th highest in by champions in the Premier league history. Only 3 of Gaurdiola's teams, Conte's Chelsea and Kolpps Liverpool are the only title winning sides with more points per game than Slot. So by that logic all the other 27 title winners were because the other teams under achieved. So that's all of the Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho teams. In fact Man City in the last 2 seasons had less points per game average than Slotts side. Never heard anyone saying they won because Arsenal and Liverpool under achieved. " You're missing the point. Liverpool have had a fantastic season and fully deserve to win, but to be 15 points ahead of 2nd at this stage when 19 points is the record gap at the end of the season, is as much about the failure of any sort of challenge. If Man City had been good and finished 1 point behind Liverpool who had exactly the same season as they are having, we'd still be saying how well Liverpool have done, but because Man City have done better they haven't dominated. So domination is as much about the teams that don't win as the winner. In the League Cup final Newcastle dominated for most of the game. Not just because they played well but also because Liverpool played badly. | |||
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"Don't want to diminish Lot's achievements, and he's my number one unless Newcastle or Forest pip Arsenal to 2nd (which is possible but a very tall order). But the domination of the league is as much about the underachievement of Arsenal and Man City as about Liverpool being excellent. This seems to be a narrative that's being peddled by a lot of people on social media lately and you seem to be parroting it. If you look at the stats, Slots teams average points per game is 6th highest in by champions in the Premier league history. Only 3 of Gaurdiola's teams, Conte's Chelsea and Kolpps Liverpool are the only title winning sides with more points per game than Slot. So by that logic all the other 27 title winners were because the other teams under achieved. So that's all of the Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho teams. In fact Man City in the last 2 seasons had less points per game average than Slotts side. Never heard anyone saying they won because Arsenal and Liverpool under achieved. You're missing the point. Liverpool have had a fantastic season and fully deserve to win, but to be 15 points ahead of 2nd at this stage when 19 points is the record gap at the end of the season, is as much about the failure of any sort of challenge. If Man City had been good and finished 1 point behind Liverpool who had exactly the same season as they are having, we'd still be saying how well Liverpool have done, but because Man City have done better they haven't dominated. So domination is as much about the teams that don't win as the winner. In the League Cup final Newcastle dominated for most of the game. Not just because they played well but also because Liverpool played badly. " On your last point, I think comparing a one of match like the cup final l and a 38 league season is not a like for like comparison. Regarding your point about the gap with second place team being about the measurement of the second place team being poor or not. In the 1998/99 season Manchester United won the league with 79 points and Arsenal were 2nd with 78 points. So we're did Arsenal under perform with 78 points or were they really competitive because they were 1 point behind..? | |||
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"Slot is number 1. He’s come in from a different league, bought one player, who’s pretty much sat on the bench and got a team that only finished 3rd last season to dominate a league. People are saying the league is easier this year due to other teams failure but Liverpool are on for getting 90 points without a team pushing them. The usual mid table sides have got better and teams are taking points off each other except one team. There’s a lot of managers who have been fantastic for parts of the season, but even Forest are dropping like a stone now. If they had 3/4 of the season award then Nunez would be up there and if they get Champs League then I’d say he’s 2nd but what Slot has done over the full season is an incredible achievement. Moyes 😱…he’s clearly turned Everton around but only done well for about 10 games. 1st Slot 2nd Howe - got his team up there whilst winning a cup 3rd - Nunez K Which do you think is harder, coming from a different league to an already successful team and winning the PL, or coming from a different league, taking over a club 5 points below safety and falling apart, taking them on a winning run that sets a club record, and gets them 20 points clear of relegation, to mid table safety? I like these type of discussions.
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When a manager takes over from a side I deep relegation trouble, the only way is up. The pressure is lifted a bit becauseyou have nothing to lose, if you succeed your a hero, if not well they were already in trouble.
The higher up and each step forward gets that much harder and the competition that much feircer. When your top, everyone lifts their game against you, look how Man Utd played at Anfield.
I would describe it like climbing a mountain. The higher you go the harder it gets..
Not sure I agree with your first paragraph, the pressure to stay in the PL must be intense, from the boardroom, to the stands, pundits and press writing you off before you've sat in the dug out. Takes some cajones to not that effect you, but still improve your team.
Second paragraph, I'd liken in to the gunslingers of old, where everyone wants to beat the fastest gun in the west. Every game is like a cup final.
J
I reckon it would be easier to motivate players threatened with relegation. They all probably have clauses in their contracts, like big drop in wages if relegated etc.."Wolves as an example.... Using your cause and effect, same players, same motivation, same fight for survival, same fear of loss under their previous manager. plummeting to relegation. And then a new manager steps in, takes a team 5 points below safety to 20 points above the relegation spots. Same players, same motivations. If that's all they need, why couldn't they do it under the old manager, but can under VP? J | |||
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"Slot is number 1. He’s come in from a different league, bought one player, who’s pretty much sat on the bench and got a team that only finished 3rd last season to dominate a league. People are saying the league is easier this year due to other teams failure but Liverpool are on for getting 90 points without a team pushing them. The usual mid table sides have got better and teams are taking points off each other except one team. There’s a lot of managers who have been fantastic for parts of the season, but even Forest are dropping like a stone now. If they had 3/4 of the season award then Nunez would be up there and if they get Champs League then I’d say he’s 2nd but what Slot has done over the full season is an incredible achievement. Moyes 😱…he’s clearly turned Everton around but only done well for about 10 games. 1st Slot 2nd Howe - got his team up there whilst winning a cup 3rd - Nunez K Which do you think is harder, coming from a different league to an already successful team and winning the PL, or coming from a different league, taking over a club 5 points below safety and falling apart, taking them on a winning run that sets a club record, and gets them 20 points clear of relegation, to mid table safety? I like these type of discussions.
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When a manager takes over from a side I deep relegation trouble, the only way is up. The pressure is lifted a bit becauseyou have nothing to lose, if you succeed your a hero, if not well they were already in trouble.
The higher up and each step forward gets that much harder and the competition that much feircer. When your top, everyone lifts their game against you, look how Man Utd played at Anfield.
I would describe it like climbing a mountain. The higher you go the harder it gets..
Not sure I agree with your first paragraph, the pressure to stay in the PL must be intense, from the boardroom, to the stands, pundits and press writing you off before you've sat in the dug out. Takes some cajones to not that effect you, but still improve your team.
Second paragraph, I'd liken in to the gunslingers of old, where everyone wants to beat the fastest gun in the west. Every game is like a cup final.
J
I reckon it would be easier to motivate players threatened with relegation. They all probably have clauses in their contracts, like big drop in wages if relegated etc..
Wolves as an example.... Using your cause and effect, same players, same motivation, same fight for survival, same fear of loss under their previous manager. plummeting to relegation.
And then a new manager steps in, takes a team 5 points below safety to 20 points above the relegation spots.
Same players, same motivations.
If that's all they need, why couldn't they do it under the old manager, but can under VP?
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"Maybe at the beginning they don't really believe they are going to get relegated and the reality starts hitting them later , especially when the club sack the manager. Anyway let's talk other factors. Should Wolves really have been in the position they are. Wolves are the 20th in the table of world clubs top net spenders in the last 10 years. That's world not just Premier league. Let's take wage bill that have the 15th highest wage bill in the Premier league, so they probably shouldn't have been in the relegation battle. Liverpool are 5th on that list, so as Slot over achieved..? Also take into consideration the drama that's been going on all season regarding Salah, Van Dijk and Trent Alexander. | |||
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