FabSwingers.com forum: TV/TS your view?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I replied to a thread with this but thought it good to have a thread of it's own as to get some more views on the subject.

Lots of talk about straight guys looking for TV/TS. And people saying they must be bisexual to be doing so.

The option is to meet TV/TS not cd/tv there is a difference between Tv and TS and think there should be separate option for both, like couples have 3 options MM, FF or MF.

A TS is transsexual meaning a women trapped in a man body, understanding this I see transsexuals as women they just need some work to feel they ate what they are meant to be.

"Noun, A person born with the physical characteristics of one sex who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex."

A CD/TV is just a dude in a dress that makes him look femme, albeit some are far more convincing than others.

" Noun, A person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes appropriate to the opposite sex."

So if you are happy to meet a TS, to me, that still means you're still straight but with an understanding of that person that some couldn't understand.

Wanting to Meet a CD/TV I'd say bisexual

Correct?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it turns you on, why worry about labels?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I say

Why do we have to label people

Live and let live

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I say if you need to justify going with a man with all this dictionary definition etc it says more about you!

Your bi, so what?

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Honestly?? I find it really hard to get my head around the whole thing. I watched that lady boys of Bangkok programme the other day, an ex pat was in a relationship with a lady boy. 'She' had boobs, dressed, spoke and looked like a woman and even in a bikini you couldn't tell coz she taped her cock underneath! But surely when the clothes are off and your getting down to the nitty gritty there's still a cock there at the end of the day?? Lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't have an opinion beyond wondering who you are really trying to convince...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people say why worry about labels..but fact is they are only 3.

Straight..Bisexual..gay.

Should it matter which you are..No!

If u get on with someone and fancy them thats the main thing.

You find those who go on about it are the ones who are not comfortable in being labelled(norm guys who are Bi and not straight)

Its fine at fact having seperate searches for a Ts and a Tv...But have to say most guys think all Ts are what they see in porn!!

Reality is completely different though!

Genetically born male..some are manly..some cant afford surgery...things take time to happen..many factors! which because of Ts Porn is one thing guys dont actually understand.

If a guy likes the look of someone either Ts or Tv shouldnt that be the main reason for meeting. Some Tvs can look Better than someone whos Ts, and not all Ts have had surgery and because of this fact peeps say..oh your not Ts! Its very complex and all Ts feel different. I know many Ts girls who are stunning..yet took many years to look that way and money, i do understand though the seperate searches, but i do think guys will expect whats in Porn and not reality.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I prefer a man to look like a man and a woman to look like a woman.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I say if you need to justify going with a man with all this dictionary definition etc it says more about you!

Your bi, so what?

I don't go with TV or TS just saw a few other straight guys getting blasted for "looking" for them or they just forgot to uncheck that box and just wondered what other people's views on the subject were.

Not trying to justify anything. And if I was bi I'd say I was bi not try to cover it.

"I am what I am and what I am needs no excuses" lmfbo

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'm bi and reasonably upfront about it insofar as it's clear on my profile. I don't think I've ticked tv/ts option so will have a look. There's a couple of very convincing tv's on here. Couple of convincing men too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm bi and reasonably upfront about it insofar as it's clear on my profile. I don't think I've ticked tv/ts option so will have a look. There's a couple of very convincing tv's on here. Couple of convincing men too

Ive seen some convincing women too

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Ive seen some convincing women too

Lots of those! It's why I'm here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

op, you put this on another thread exactly word for word, dont think theres any need to repeat yourself, and the point been raised on the other thread is that he states straight ( definition been attracted to the opposute sex) but seeks tvs and it was a point raised in reply to the guy asking what he can do to improve his profile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thou can have as many TVs as you want....

But there's still sod all on on a Saturday night....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The labels would only be complete if they then included pre op and post op etc.

The men that get 'blasted' for saying straight, yet looking to meet with tv/ts usually are not just advertising for meets with tv/ts but have 'personal' veri's from the same, in my experience.

As with any issue. If it is that obvious that the profile is dishonest, it gives me the impression that the person behind the profile is of the same mindset.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Thou can have as many TVs as you want....

But there's still sod all on on a Saturday night....

And I don't do CD's anymore. It's all downloads. Anyone wanna get my load down?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"op, you put this on another thread exactly word for word, dont think theres any need to repeat yourself, and the point been raised on the other thread is that he states straight ( definition been attracted to the opposute sex) but seeks tvs and it was a point raised in reply to the guy asking what he can do to improve his profile."

Didn't want to derail his thread, never been one for thread jacking and Yes It's a copy and paste of what I put there why fix that which isn't broken, I don't see what the big deal is TBH.

This thread was asking for views on the subject and I gave my own, do you have a problem with that? As you had nothing of any worth to add to the subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So if you are happy to meet a TS, to me, that still means you're still straight but with an understanding of that person that some couldn't understand.

Correct?

But surely if a man is specifically searching for sex with a TS he must have some attraction to the fact the TS still has male genitalia otherwwis he'd just serach for sex with women...

Correct? ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here Here... TV and TS are very different to each other both psychologically and potentially physically.

A post op TS might want to use the title and be honest. It also covers M2F and F2M.

TV is male in female clothing.

They are totally different terms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here Here... TV and TS are very different to each other both psychologically and potentially physically.

A post op TS might want to use the title and be honest. It also covers M2F and F2M.

TV is male in female clothing.

They are totally different terms. "

Eh!,,, But surely a post-op TS has had their gender corrected and is no longer a TS…

I'm pretty sure I'd be quite pissed off if I was still refereed to as a TS if I'd undergone full gender reassignment....

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By *uncpl2015Couple
over a year ago

Bridgend Area

"The labels would only be complete if they then included pre op and post op etc.

The men that get 'blasted' for saying straight, yet looking to meet with tv/ts usually are not just advertising for meets with tv/ts but have 'personal' veri's from the same, in my experience.

As with any issue. If it is that obvious that the profile is dishonest, it gives me the impression that the person behind the profile is of the same mindset."

Exactly. I feel that (and its not the case sadly) being on a site like this and into the lifestyle/hobby that we are as grown mature adults we should all be happy with ourselves and our sexuality, that surely is one of the first things to swinging. However this also includes being completely honest with yourself, and ideally to a degree with the people you want to swing with. Now I don't mean you need to tell a potential meet your life history and your work history and your bank balance. However as far is sexuality and likes and dislikes we should at least owe each other the courtesy of being open and honest and happy in your own choices. That said being on a Swingers site although a large social aspect to the lifestyle unless the profile says will meet TV/TS for social only then lets face it its usually to meet them for more.

Sadly pretty sure most guys on here know their own sexuality (some may be in denial) but putting straight and wanting to meet TV/TS or even men usually means they are at least Bi Curious and covering all bases to get as many meets and put as few off as possible.

Yes I do agree the TV/TS category is not correct they should be split as one is basically a fem and the other is in basic terms a male dressed as a female (whether good or badly) and at the end of the day people on here deserve the chance of a well informed choice.

ie this is what i like and do or will do.. and then if they are okay with it go for it, if however they are not thats their choice and you need to move on and find someone who is.

Its the ones that say straight and insist on it but have a veri from a guy saying how lush they were in the bedroom and when pointed out that their veri says otherwise.. bingo that veri is hidden and they still insist on being straight.. Sadly its ones like these that end up tarring all with the same brush.

It should be, be honest and each to their own. but that's never going to happen

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Here Here... TV and TS are very different to each other both psychologically and potentially physically.

A post op TS might want to use the title and be honest. It also covers M2F and F2M.

TV is male in female clothing.

They are totally different terms.

Eh!,,, But surely a post-op TS has had their gender corrected and is no longer a TS…

I'm pretty sure I'd be quite pissed off if I was still refereed to as a TS if I'd undergone full gender reassignment....

I agree!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

op , i was bringing to light the fact that you said he was getting slated, whereas he actually wasnt he was been given advice, and as for the attitude you gave me, i dont have any problem i will post on what i want when i want ok, maybe you need to calm down a bit.

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

"I say if you need to justify going with a man with all this dictionary definition etc it says more about you!

Your bi, so what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The site already provides all the necessary functions for members to give an accurate and individual description of who we are and what we are looking for !.. (Its called a Profile)

By adding more TS/TG/TV/T-Girl/CD/HPW options to the search facility, we simply create more confusion in the same way people do when trying to blur the 3 dictionary definitions mainstream society accept to describe sexual behaviour ….. Homosexual….. Heterosexual ….. Bisexual………

Obviously the inclusion of “Bi-Curious “ is a welcome addition on sites like this and is helpful in drawing potentially compatibility people toward eachother …

But surely if a person doesn’t feel inclined to also write an honest profile in a manner that adequately reflects exactly what they offer and expect as a potential swinging partner……. We’ll always get confusion no matter what consensus of opinion manifest from threads this….

OK thats my tuppenceworth.... I'm outta this one,,,,

Oh and if anyone doesn't agree with me..... I'm not Bovvered.... So Rasssssssssp too you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Honestly?? I find it really hard to get my head around the whole thing. I watched that lady boys of Bangkok programme the other day, an ex pat was in a relationship with a lady boy. 'She' had boobs, dressed, spoke and looked like a woman and even in a bikini you couldn't tell coz she taped her cock underneath! But surely when the clothes are off and your getting down to the nitty gritty there's still a cock there at the end of the day?? Lol.

Agree there's still a cock there. Which would make me think bi sexual.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"op , i was bringing to light the fact that you said he was getting slated, whereas he actually wasnt he was been given advice, and as for the attitude you gave me, i dont have any problem i will post on what i want when i want ok, maybe you need to calm down a bit."

I wasn't on about just that one thread. I've seen many threads like it.

And how do we know they just don't uncheck that box because they would be happy to meet a Transsexual but not a transvestite. As I said there is only the one option for both even though they are very different. That's the point I'm trying to make here, but it seems the more time I spend in the forums the more I think some on here can't be asked to read things properly anyway.

And no you wasn't "bringing to light the fact the guy was getting slated" all you said was I already said this elsewhere "word for word" and gave a description of what that thread was about.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

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"If it turns you on, why worry about labels? "

^This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

op at the end of the day if you want to meet men and call yourself straight thats upto you (each to there own) but when people ask for advice, if i can and if i want to then ill give it (each to there own).

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"op at the end of the day if you want to meet men and call yourself straight thats upto you (each to there own) but when people ask for advice, if i can and if i want to then ill give it (each to there own)."

Still not getting it are you? Lmfao.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Not sure why the OP is getting flack he asked a perfectly respectable question and explained his reasons for doing so. I've seen plenty of single straight guys asked 'why are you looking to meet tv's etc if you are straight' and also agree that maybe TV/cd should be a seperate category BUT as Soxy said further up the way people categorise themselves and how they are perceived by others can be very different. As has been proved by the many 'curvy vs fat' threads that get started on here.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"If it turns you on, why worry about labels?

^This

^That

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If it turns you on, why worry about labels?

^This

^That

ditto

and worry not about how others use the site or the forums..

use it for what you want..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here Here... TV and TS are very different to each other both psychologically and potentially physically.

A post op TS might want to use the title and be honest. It also covers M2F and F2M.

TV is male in female clothing.

They are totally different terms.

Eh!,,, But surely a post-op TS has had their gender corrected and is no longer a TS…

I'm pretty sure I'd be quite pissed off if I was still refereed to as a TS if I'd undergone full gender reassignment....

I agree! "

That's a very good point, and one which I hadn't considered until reading this.

The word 'Trans' means in the process of moving (eg. 'in transit'). Once a TS has had the full operation and is a 'complete woman' (and that is not intended to be derogatory in any way) then surely the trans-sexual 'label' no longer applies? You are no longer 'in transit'. You are at the end of your journey... in one sense..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not sure why the OP is getting flack he asked a perfectly respectable question and explained his reasons for doing so. "

Because too many people don't understand what healthy and open debate is, Hottie...

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"If it turns you on, why worry about labels?

^This

^That

How about a bit of the other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I say

Why do we have to label people

Live and let live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I want Sausage, I look for Sausage,,,

That’s why I like Labels,,,,, it makes shopping easier and allows people to select the right ingredients to create enjoyable meals ,,,,,,,,

Which to me, must surely be better than taking pot-luck or risking the possibility of spending hours in the kitchen only to end up with a totally unpalatable mess on my plate….!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here Here... TV and TS are very different to each other both psychologically and potentially physically.

A post op TS might want to use the title and be honest. It also covers M2F and F2M.

TV is male in female clothing.

They are totally different terms.

Eh!,,, But surely a post-op TS has had their gender corrected and is no longer a TS…

I'm pretty sure I'd be quite pissed off if I was still refereed to as a TS if I'd undergone full gender reassignment....

I agree!

That's a very good point, and one which I hadn't considered until reading this.

A post-op TS is male or female, not trans.

Op I like your post. I also like 'lmfbo'. I will use that phrase from now on, hope you don't mind.

People will be blasted forever and always. I'm kind of at the end of discussing certain things anymore. Some people will understand, some won't. X

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"When I want Sausage, I look for Sausage,,,

That’s why I like Labels,,,,, it makes shopping easier and allows people to select the right ingredients to create enjoyable meals ,,,,,,,,

Which to me, must surely be better than taking pot-luck or risking the possibility of spending hours in the kitchen only to end up with a totally unpalatable mess on my plate….!.

*sneaks round & takes all the labels off soxy's tins*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I want Sausage, I look for Sausage,,,

That’s why I like Labels,,,,, it makes shopping easier and allows people to select the right ingredients to create enjoyable meals ,,,,,,,,

Which to me, must surely be better than taking pot-luck or risking the possibility of spending hours in the kitchen only to end up with a totally unpalatable mess on my plate….!.

*sneaks round & takes all the labels off soxy's tins* "

Thats OK...... I have the stacked alphabetically anyway,,,,, haha…..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still not getting it are you? Lmfao.

i get it very well thank you, but i didnt like the attitude you give me earlier on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not sure why the OP is getting flack he asked a perfectly respectable question and explained his reasons for doing so.

Because too many people don't understand what healthy and open debate is, Hottie...

and where did i say it wasnt a reasonable question, i simply stated he had already posted this exact message on another thread word for word, so therefore as he didnt really get the response he wanted he opened a new thread, when did i attack him or give him flack at all.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"The site already provides all the necessary functions for members to give an accurate and individual description of who we are and what we are looking for !.. (Its called a Profile)

Obviously the inclusion of “Bi-Curious “ is a welcome addition on sites like this and is helpful in drawing potentially compatibility people toward eachother …

OK thats my tuppenceworth.... I'm outta this one,,,,

Oh and if anyone doesn't agree with me..... I'm not Bovvered.... So Rasssssssssp too you!

Without the rasp

but ^^^^this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The initials TV - stand for transvestite. The translation from latin of transvestite is ' one who cross dresses '. Then u get the subgroup of 'crossdresser (which most folks think of as lingerie/stockings n a tv as the whole works /wigs,make up etc) . Altho any form of 'dressing' that has sum1 in even just ONE ITEM of clothing meant for the opposite sex is in fact crossdressing

TS - stands for transsexual. The Latin derivative meaning 'one who crosses sex ' ie changes GENDER

A cock in a frock is ALWAYS a crossdresser/tv.

A TRANSSEXUAL is either a post operation (or at LEAST sum1 who has under clinical guidance begun the road to surgery! )

Most of the folks on here who say they r TS are NOT

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"I say if you need to justify going with a man with all this dictionary definition etc it says more about you!

Your bi, so what?

Bingo!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"When I want Sausage, I look for Sausage,,,

That’s why I like Labels,,,,, it makes shopping easier and allows people to select the right ingredients to create enjoyable meals ,,,,,,,,

Which to me, must surely be better than taking pot-luck or risking the possibility of spending hours in the kitchen only to end up with a totally unpalatable mess on my plate….!.

Soxy for PM!

Something I've always

at when people trot out "we don't need labels" nonsense!

What's the first thing you look at when buying clothes? The label. Why? For price and your size is something that fits you.

Therefore if you're looking for a sexual playmate you need to know sexually if they "fit" your needs: ergo "labels".

Nothing sinister/derogatory in that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I want Sausage, I look for Sausage,,,

That’s why I like Labels,,,,,

Soxy for PM!

Something I've always

at when people trot out "we don't need labels" nonsense!

What's the first thing you look at when buying clothes? The label. Why? For price and your size is something that fits you.

Therefore if you're looking for a sexual playmate you need to know sexually if they "fit" your needs: ergo "labels".

Nothing sinister/derogatory in that! "

Hey, I would take the job as PM ,,,,,,

But only if they promised to include me in all the cross party whipping parties….

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Not sure why the OP is getting flack he asked a perfectly respectable question and explained his reasons for doing so.

Because too many people don't understand what healthy and open debate is, Hottie...

Ok miss detective. Then did you check the times. Where these threads were posted etc.

He was asking for advice on his profile and people were saying most are put off if you claim to be straight and are "looking" for TV/TS I didn't start this thread because I didn't like the response I got in the ADVICE section I didn't even wait for a response as it was just an opinion. But I still felt this subject needed a thread of it's own so posted it in the LOUNGE with this title where more people would contribute without taking over the other guys advice thread, Remember I said I'm not one to thread jack.

Go jump to conclusions, put words in people mouths and generally busy yourself elsewhere.

(waits for a "i can do what I want, It's a public forum" type of reply)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here Here... TV and TS are very different to each other both psychologically and potentially physically.

A post op TS might want to use the title and be honest. It also covers M2F and F2M.

TV is male in female clothing.

They are totally different terms.

Eh!,,, But surely a post-op TS has had their gender corrected and is no longer a TS…

I'm pretty sure I'd be quite pissed off if I was still refereed to as a TS if I'd undergone full gender reassignment....

I agree!

That's a very good point, and one which I hadn't considered until reading this.

Hmm, you are right, but I have heard some people post op still keep to the tag. After all, however post you may be, you can NEVER be exactly the target sex you are seeking. You can remove the old, and look very like the new, but sadly for those trapped like that, medical science cannot (yet) complete the job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I say

Why do we have to label people

So we can find who we're looking for, a bit like opening a tin of peas and finding beans. fine if you like beans, a p*sser if you don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well if a post op transexual has a pussy not a willy that person is a female in her own right and should be under female category if you got boobs and still a willy there should be a ladyboy category for them if you have to label ppl at all lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

op can you please explain where i jumped to conclusions or how im am miss detective as you call me, and again the attitude is not needed, and lastly its not your place to tell anyone to go elsewhere, just because you started the thread doesnt give you any right to say who can and cant post on it, oh and where on earth did i put words in peoples mouths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not sure why the OP is getting flack he asked a perfectly respectable question and explained his reasons for doing so.

Because too many people don't understand what healthy and open debate is, Hottie...

Ok miss detective. Then did you check the times. Where these threads were posted etc.

Go jump to conclusions, put words in people mouths and generally busy yourself elsewhere.

(waits for a "i can do what I want, It's a public forum" type of reply)

I originally posted on the other thread and really cant understand the fuss

People remove certain veri's after they post on the forums, if they get unwanted attention from them..... Thats not new.

Why it's spilled over here I do not know but there is a difference between having intimate liaisons with a pre op t/s mtf (Or a mtf that does not want an op) and being dishonest on ones profile, which will get a different response, than being honest and stating bi on your profile.

As for the labels within tv/ts/cd I understand each term, as I bothered to learn years ago and have many pre op and post op mtf & ftm friends on another site. Yes the labelling system on here could be better, however having profile text allows for clarification, (should they wish to clarify)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am very black and white in my thinking (a bit too much at times)

If I want sex with a man, I will have sexy with a man

If I want sex with a woman, I will have sex with a woman.

Sex with a man dressed as a woman ? no thanks

Sex with a person who feels they are a different sex ? again no thanks

It just messes with my head and raises confusion.

As for those that do choose to have sex with TV/TS/CD, good luck to 'em

I don't think they need labelling. As long as they take and give pleasure in what they like to do sexually, let em get on with it.

I know what works for me and understand that some of my choices may be ambiguous or distasteful to others, so who am I to pin labels on people with different sexual trigger mechanisms than me ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well if a post op transexual has a pussy not a willy that person is a female in her own right and should be under female category if you got boobs and still a willy there should be a ladyboy category for them if you have to label ppl at all lol

Hey I like your thinking....and perhaps we can also invent a new sub-category for men who've got big massive Moobs too.... cuz ya know they are gonna feel so left out and someone is bound to complain!!!

I'm not sure what it should be called though?

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over a year ago

I'm not sure what it should be called though?

Bussy ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure what it should be called though?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I have quite a few tv friends i also have cross dressing friends, both are completely different same as all tvs are different. Some tvs only want men, some are bi sexual and some are straight.

Some change their sexual orintation when they are dressed.

I did a tv gangbang once, there was just me and 6 tvs all with much better lingerie that me and all carrying it of really well.

On the other side of the coin ive seen guys who look like Giant haystacks with just a crappy wig on their head.

Noone needs to justify them selves.

If your happy with what your doing and they are happy does it really matter.

I have one tv friend that i shag when hes in male mode, when hes in female mode he only wants guys.

Yet i have another friend who i shag whether hes a man or woman at tehe time

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