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"Apparently it's reported that young women (40% I think) are afraid of men the same age. I'd this due to toxic masculinity?" It's probably more due to scaremongering on top of personal experiences 💜 | |||
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"Apparently it's reported that young women (40% I think) are afraid of men the same age. I'd this due to toxic masculinity?" Does it not give any info in the report you've seen? Seems odd they'd quote a statistic with a link to data, which would hopefully identify the cause of responses. Otherwise it's not a very useful statistic. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Apparently it's reported that young women (40% I think) are afraid of men the same age. I'd this due to toxic masculinity?" What age range? | |||
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"Apparently it's reported that young women (40% I think) are afraid of men the same age. I'd this due to toxic masculinity?" Not toxic masculinity but definitely toxic behaviour. Guy's don't seem to give a crap nowadays man or woman they'll hit them . I was brought up with the belief system you NEVER HIT A WOMAN,EVER! simple | |||
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"A quick Google provides a link to an article in the telegraph 2 days ago where the headline includes the words 'toxic masculinity', so I'm guessing that's where the OP's question comes from. Can't read the article though so haven't seen where the info comes from, how reliable it is or what the survey sample size was. I'm not signing up to the torygraph so maybe someone else knows more. 🤔" .. a Whitestone Insight survey commissioned by the think tank found that 62 per cent of young women believe most young men are “pretty frightening”. More than two-fifths of young men (41 per cent) agree with their female counterparts. The finding features in Lost Boys, a study published by the CSJ that details the plight of Britain’s boys and young men. Not only are males now falling behind females in education and the workplace, but they are also increasingly viewed with suspicion by women. ‘Angry men is a disaster’ The report warns: “A generation of unhappy and angry men is a disaster for both the sexes.” So-called “toxic masculinity” has been fuelled by misogynists such as Andrew Tate and follows a surge in violence against women and girls (VAWG), with cases of stalking, harassment, sexual assault and domestic violence up 37 per cent over the past five years. .... Don't judge me. The day job requires me to work with that rag. | |||
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"A quick Google provides a link to an article in the telegraph 2 days ago where the headline includes the words 'toxic masculinity', so I'm guessing that's where the OP's question comes from. Can't read the article though so haven't seen where the info comes from, how reliable it is or what the survey sample size was. I'm not signing up to the torygraph so maybe someone else knows more. 🤔 .. a Whitestone Insight survey commissioned by the think tank found that 62 per cent of young women believe most young men are “pretty frightening”. More than two-fifths of young men (41 per cent) agree with their female counterparts. The finding features in Lost Boys, a study published by the CSJ that details the plight of Britain’s boys and young men. Not only are males now falling behind females in education and the workplace, but they are also increasingly viewed with suspicion by women. ‘Angry men is a disaster’ The report warns: “A generation of unhappy and angry men is a disaster for both the sexes.” So-called “toxic masculinity” has been fuelled by misogynists such as Andrew Tate and follows a surge in violence against women and girls (VAWG), with cases of stalking, harassment, sexual assault and domestic violence up 37 per cent over the past five years. .... Don't judge me. The day job requires me to work with that rag." Thanks. And i knew there'd be a reason you had access. 😂😂 I've seen this kind of thing before and it always makes me sad that it's described as 'the plight' of young men. To me the solution is simple. Men can easily choose not to be that kind of man. It's not compulsory nor is anyone forced into negative attitudes and behaviour. Just be better. Don't be a dick. Simple as really. It's akin to the old trope you read on here of 'all men being tatted with the same brush'. Don't be that guy and nothing anyone else does will affect you or reflect on you. | |||
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"Thanks. And i knew there'd be a reason you had access. 😂😂 I've seen this kind of thing before and it always makes me sad that it's described as 'the plight' of young men. To me the solution is simple. Men can easily choose not to be that kind of man. It's not compulsory nor is anyone forced into negative attitudes and behaviour. Just be better. Don't be a dick. Simple as really. It's akin to the old trope you read on here of 'all men being tatted with the same brush'. Don't be that guy and nothing anyone else does will affect you or reflect on you. " The study also expressed concern at the diminishment of traditional masculinity in the media and society. Courage no longer valued More than four in 10 of the public, 43 per cent, say that traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society. Half of young men believe that the media are too negative, with men being “too often” shown as “a bit pathetic”. Pornography is another reason for the damage done to the relationship between the sexes. A clear majority (60 per cent) believe that porn is undermining relationships. This increases to two-thirds when asking young people. Andy Cook, chief executive of the Centre for Social Justice, said: “We have been so careless in our downgrading of the traditional masculine virtues that we are in danger of leaving a whole generation behind. “Restoring the hope that has been lost among boys and young men is not to undermine girls and young women, rather it will restore trust and overcome this terrible sense of fear that is so corrosive.” ----- The logic leaps are amazing sometimes 💜 | |||
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"Thanks. And i knew there'd be a reason you had access. 😂😂 I've seen this kind of thing before and it always makes me sad that it's described as 'the plight' of young men. To me the solution is simple. Men can easily choose not to be that kind of man. It's not compulsory nor is anyone forced into negative attitudes and behaviour. Just be better. Don't be a dick. Simple as really. It's akin to the old trope you read on here of 'all men being tatted with the same brush'. Don't be that guy and nothing anyone else does will affect you or reflect on you. The study also expressed concern at the diminishment of traditional masculinity in the media and society. Courage no longer valued More than four in 10 of the public, 43 per cent, say that traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society. Half of young men believe that the media are too negative, with men being “too often” shown as “a bit pathetic”. Pornography is another reason for the damage done to the relationship between the sexes. A clear majority (60 per cent) believe that porn is undermining relationships. This increases to two-thirds when asking young people. Andy Cook, chief executive of the Centre for Social Justice, said: “We have been so careless in our downgrading of the traditional masculine virtues that we are in danger of leaving a whole generation behind. “Restoring the hope that has been lost among boys and young men is not to undermine girls and young women, rather it will restore trust and overcome this terrible sense of fear that is so corrosive.” ----- The logic leaps are amazing sometimes 💜" "traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society." I think this is half the problem. I've never considered those values to be the sole remit of men. I know many courageous, resilient and competitive women. Maybe people need to realise times have long changed and that 'traditional' notions were never a positive in the first place. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Apparently it's reported that young women (40% I think) are afraid of men the same age. I'd this due to toxic masculinity? It's probably more due to scaremongering on top of personal experiences 💜" This . | |||
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"A quick Google provides a link to an article in the telegraph 2 days ago where the headline includes the words 'toxic masculinity', so I'm guessing that's where the OP's question comes from. Can't read the article though so haven't seen where the info comes from, how reliable it is or what the survey sample size was. I'm not signing up to the torygraph so maybe someone else knows more. 🤔 .. a Whitestone Insight survey commissioned by the think tank found that 62 per cent of young women believe most young men are “pretty frightening”. More than two-fifths of young men (41 per cent) agree with their female counterparts. The finding features in Lost Boys, a study published by the CSJ that details the plight of Britain’s boys and young men. Not only are males now falling behind females in education and the workplace, but they are also increasingly viewed with suspicion by women. ‘Angry men is a disaster’ The report warns: “A generation of unhappy and angry men is a disaster for both the sexes.” So-called “toxic masculinity” has been fuelled by misogynists such as Andrew Tate and follows a surge in violence against women and girls (VAWG), with cases of stalking, harassment, sexual assault and domestic violence up 37 per cent over the past five years. .... Don't judge me. The day job requires me to work with that rag. Thanks. And i knew there'd be a reason you had access. 😂😂 I've seen this kind of thing before and it always makes me sad that it's described as 'the plight' of young men. To me the solution is simple. Men can easily choose not to be that kind of man. It's not compulsory nor is anyone forced into negative attitudes and behaviour. Just be better. Don't be a dick. Simple as really. It's akin to the old trope you read on here of 'all men being tatted with the same brush'. Don't be that guy and nothing anyone else does will affect you or reflect on you. " ❤️ Men can be who they want to be. As with any choice, that will lead to reactions from others. Unfortunately, that is what some men are choosing to do, and choosing to blame anyone but themselves. Note I said "some" men. "Some", for those who might find this upsetting, is not a synonym for "all". And I'm sure, in case it needs to be said to assuage some, that some women, non-binary, and trans people also make destructive and antisocial choices. | |||
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"Thanks. And i knew there'd be a reason you had access. 😂😂 I've seen this kind of thing before and it always makes me sad that it's described as 'the plight' of young men. To me the solution is simple. Men can easily choose not to be that kind of man. It's not compulsory nor is anyone forced into negative attitudes and behaviour. Just be better. Don't be a dick. Simple as really. It's akin to the old trope you read on here of 'all men being tatted with the same brush'. Don't be that guy and nothing anyone else does will affect you or reflect on you. The study also expressed concern at the diminishment of traditional masculinity in the media and society. Courage no longer valued More than four in 10 of the public, 43 per cent, say that traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society. Half of young men believe that the media are too negative, with men being “too often” shown as “a bit pathetic”. Pornography is another reason for the damage done to the relationship between the sexes. A clear majority (60 per cent) believe that porn is undermining relationships. This increases to two-thirds when asking young people. Andy Cook, chief executive of the Centre for Social Justice, said: “We have been so careless in our downgrading of the traditional masculine virtues that we are in danger of leaving a whole generation behind. “Restoring the hope that has been lost among boys and young men is not to undermine girls and young women, rather it will restore trust and overcome this terrible sense of fear that is so corrosive.” ----- The logic leaps are amazing sometimes 💜 "traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society." I think this is half the problem. I've never considered those values to be the sole remit of men. I know many courageous, resilient and competitive women. Maybe people need to realise times have long changed and that 'traditional' notions were never a positive in the first place. 🤷♂️ " Agreed. The times have changed and people adapt. Reacting, particularly with rage and entitlement, will only help the vile content creators who feed off natural adolescent insecurity | |||
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"Thanks. And i knew there'd be a reason you had access. 😂😂 I've seen this kind of thing before and it always makes me sad that it's described as 'the plight' of young men. To me the solution is simple. Men can easily choose not to be that kind of man. It's not compulsory nor is anyone forced into negative attitudes and behaviour. Just be better. Don't be a dick. Simple as really. It's akin to the old trope you read on here of 'all men being tatted with the same brush'. Don't be that guy and nothing anyone else does will affect you or reflect on you. The study also expressed concern at the diminishment of traditional masculinity in the media and society. Courage no longer valued More than four in 10 of the public, 43 per cent, say that traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society. Half of young men believe that the media are too negative, with men being “too often” shown as “a bit pathetic”. Pornography is another reason for the damage done to the relationship between the sexes. A clear majority (60 per cent) believe that porn is undermining relationships. This increases to two-thirds when asking young people. Andy Cook, chief executive of the Centre for Social Justice, said: “We have been so careless in our downgrading of the traditional masculine virtues that we are in danger of leaving a whole generation behind. “Restoring the hope that has been lost among boys and young men is not to undermine girls and young women, rather it will restore trust and overcome this terrible sense of fear that is so corrosive.” ----- The logic leaps are amazing sometimes 💜 "traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society." I think this is half the problem. I've never considered those values to be the sole remit of men. I know many courageous, resilient and competitive women. Maybe people need to realise times have long changed and that 'traditional' notions were never a positive in the first place. 🤷♂️ Agreed. The times have changed and people adapt. Reacting, particularly with rage and entitlement, will only help the vile content creators who feed off natural adolescent insecurity " I don't think competitiveness is an intrinsically positive virtue anyway. That's a more post-capitalist perception. I agree it's all just about controversy these days, it generates traffic, which generates sales. Profit is good, so whatever leads to profit must be good. It's more ingrained in our culture now, it's surpassed anything religion ever managed to achieve. | |||
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"Thanks. And i knew there'd be a reason you had access. 😂😂 I've seen this kind of thing before and it always makes me sad that it's described as 'the plight' of young men. To me the solution is simple. Men can easily choose not to be that kind of man. It's not compulsory nor is anyone forced into negative attitudes and behaviour. Just be better. Don't be a dick. Simple as really. It's akin to the old trope you read on here of 'all men being tatted with the same brush'. Don't be that guy and nothing anyone else does will affect you or reflect on you. The study also expressed concern at the diminishment of traditional masculinity in the media and society. Courage no longer valued More than four in 10 of the public, 43 per cent, say that traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society. Half of young men believe that the media are too negative, with men being “too often” shown as “a bit pathetic”. Pornography is another reason for the damage done to the relationship between the sexes. A clear majority (60 per cent) believe that porn is undermining relationships. This increases to two-thirds when asking young people. Andy Cook, chief executive of the Centre for Social Justice, said: “We have been so careless in our downgrading of the traditional masculine virtues that we are in danger of leaving a whole generation behind. “Restoring the hope that has been lost among boys and young men is not to undermine girls and young women, rather it will restore trust and overcome this terrible sense of fear that is so corrosive.” ----- The logic leaps are amazing sometimes 💜 "traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society." I think this is half the problem. I've never considered those values to be the sole remit of men. I know many courageous, resilient and competitive women. Maybe people need to realise times have long changed and that 'traditional' notions were never a positive in the first place. 🤷♂️ Agreed. The times have changed and people adapt. Reacting, particularly with rage and entitlement, will only help the vile content creators who feed off natural adolescent insecurity I don't think competitiveness is an intrinsically positive virtue anyway. That's a more post-capitalist perception. I agree it's all just about controversy these days, it generates traffic, which generates sales. Profit is good, so whatever leads to profit must be good. It's more ingrained in our culture now, it's surpassed anything religion ever managed to achieve." Nor do I, but I'm not going to denigrate healthy competition. The problem is when it's destructive (to anyone, male, female, or otherwise). I think some people get caught into a trap that things like this are *all* men can be - and then criticise people who hope for more possibilities for men and boys. Like women, they can be whatever they want to be (including these tropes, but not just these tropes). To say otherwise - and to inflict the resulting angst on others - is what's toxic. | |||
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"Thanks. And i knew there'd be a reason you had access. 😂😂 I've seen this kind of thing before and it always makes me sad that it's described as 'the plight' of young men. To me the solution is simple. Men can easily choose not to be that kind of man. It's not compulsory nor is anyone forced into negative attitudes and behaviour. Just be better. Don't be a dick. Simple as really. It's akin to the old trope you read on here of 'all men being tatted with the same brush'. Don't be that guy and nothing anyone else does will affect you or reflect on you. The study also expressed concern at the diminishment of traditional masculinity in the media and society. Courage no longer valued More than four in 10 of the public, 43 per cent, say that traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society. Half of young men believe that the media are too negative, with men being “too often” shown as “a bit pathetic”. Pornography is another reason for the damage done to the relationship between the sexes. A clear majority (60 per cent) believe that porn is undermining relationships. This increases to two-thirds when asking young people. Andy Cook, chief executive of the Centre for Social Justice, said: “We have been so careless in our downgrading of the traditional masculine virtues that we are in danger of leaving a whole generation behind. “Restoring the hope that has been lost among boys and young men is not to undermine girls and young women, rather it will restore trust and overcome this terrible sense of fear that is so corrosive.” ----- The logic leaps are amazing sometimes 💜 "traditional masculine values such as courage, resilience and competitiveness are not valued by society." I think this is half the problem. I've never considered those values to be the sole remit of men. I know many courageous, resilient and competitive women. Maybe people need to realise times have long changed and that 'traditional' notions were never a positive in the first place. 🤷♂️ Agreed. The times have changed and people adapt. Reacting, particularly with rage and entitlement, will only help the vile content creators who feed off natural adolescent insecurity I don't think competitiveness is an intrinsically positive virtue anyway. That's a more post-capitalist perception. I agree it's all just about controversy these days, it generates traffic, which generates sales. Profit is good, so whatever leads to profit must be good. It's more ingrained in our culture now, it's surpassed anything religion ever managed to achieve. Nor do I, but I'm not going to denigrate healthy competition. The problem is when it's destructive (to anyone, male, female, or otherwise). I think some people get caught into a trap that things like this are *all* men can be - and then criticise people who hope for more possibilities for men and boys. Like women, they can be whatever they want to be (including these tropes, but not just these tropes). To say otherwise - and to inflict the resulting angst on others - is what's toxic. " It's rare I find myself in complete agreement with someone, but this is one of those occasions. | |||
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"Apparently it's reported that young women (40% I think) are afraid of men the same age. I'd this due to toxic masculinity?" I would say almost entirely due to Social media and the research back this up. Firstly younger people are having less real world interactions and way more virtual ones, so their evidence base for real world behaviour is shrinking. Secondly but linked to the above, Social media highlights and amplifies extremes of behaviour and beliefs, so people using social media heavily absorb the worst examples of human behaviour, in this case male violence and abuse. An illustration of this would be the viral scenario of whether a woman would rather meet a bear or a strange man when on her own. Although the objective evidence clearly shows a woman would be far more at risk of harm from any bear than the average man, a lot of women chose the bear, many of them in all seriousness. | |||
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".. a Whitestone Insight survey commissioned by the think tank found that 62 per cent of young women believe most young men are “pretty frightening”." Phrased that way, I absolutely agree. Even if I do class as an old bird these days. I'm not scared of young men. But the twisted perceptions developing within society and the implications inherent are what I would call terrifying 💜 | |||
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"Apparently it's reported that young women (40% I think) are afraid of men the same age. I'd this due to toxic masculinity? What age range?" Just said young women are afraid of men in their age group | |||
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