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"I heard on the radio that leading doctors want the defence of 'reasonanle chastisement' of a child to be ended. I was amazed smacking is already banned in Scotland. Why is there not one law in the uK?" Its banned here in Wales also | |||
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"I heard on the radio that leading doctors want the defence of 'reasonanle chastisement' of a child to be ended. I was amazed smacking is already banned in Scotland. Why is there not one law in the uK?" alot of people will not like my post for start off its already banned ( 2010 ) its just a hidden ban. you can be arrested and charged for it reasonable chastisement can be used proving it is another matter. you can be found not guilty in the magistraites court and yet found guilty in the family court. now theres do gooders that say no but what do you replace it with. social services remove the children and then they become fully out of control borstal as i know of it thats rougher private borstal system well thats a cover up at its best. within social care homes they can not stop the child from doing what they want that includes them walking out of the building. some staff members have been known to be fully assaulted by the child. ( theres many that have had this ) remember the above its a paid system its geared, you do not want a private system near it ( cover up galore ) A parent should have a right to say enough is enough and sometimes a smack is needed. | |||
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"Why is there not one law in the uK?" Because there are four different countries, some with their own government. Gbat | |||
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"It's been banned for years " It's not banned in England, unfortunately. | |||
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"What do animals do to their offspring if they misbehave? Mummy cat will give kitten a tap to advise,that behaviour is not on! " Cats also shit in the garden, kill things or each other and don't have the capacity for language. Other than that it's a pretty persuasive appeal to nature 🤣 | |||
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"Does that mean when we’re having sex you can’t smack you partners arse " Is your partner your child? J | |||
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"What do animals do to their offspring if they misbehave? Mummy cat will give kitten a tap to advise,that behaviour is not on! Cats also shit in the garden, kill things or each other and don't have the capacity for language. Other than that it's a pretty persuasive appeal to nature 🤣" Have you never shat in the garden then?  | |||
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"It hurt me more to be banned from seeing friends. Not that I was a bad kid but parents knew how to punish me and brothers if we were naughty!" Being grounded, taking phones away, games consoles away, a firm word. Lots of ways. There are also lots of questions to be amswered. Is a tap on the hand if they are about to touch the hot oven that bad? You could grab their arm and do more harm. How is a smack defined? Does it have to leave a mark? How will authorities know what goes on behind closed door? And plenty more... Personally the tone in my voice when I say "NO" is enough! Oh and the naughty step! | |||
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"Its almost here now, any injury to them classed as common assult is arrestable. Its well overdue to be brought completely in, hopefully they will be accompanied with a ton of parenting courses and support. Living with violence at home only makes them act out to others with violence, unfortunately breaking the cycle will be especially hard with 'highs dependent' parents "Behind the curve or less controlling nanny state? | |||
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"What do animals do to their offspring if they misbehave? Mummy cat will give kitten a tap to advise,that behaviour is not on! Cats also shit in the garden, kill things or each other and don't have the capacity for language. Other than that it's a pretty persuasive appeal to nature 🤣 Have you never shat in the garden then? " Not my garden. | |||
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"What do animals do to their offspring if they misbehave? Mummy cat will give kitten a tap to advise,that behaviour is not on! Cats also shit in the garden, kill things or each other and don't have the capacity for language. Other than that it's a pretty persuasive appeal to nature 🤣 Have you never shat in the garden then?
Not my garden."Was that you? I thought it was too big for a fox. Oh, and no child needs to be hit, no matter how many synonyms there are for it.  | |||
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"What do animals do to their offspring if they misbehave? Mummy cat will give kitten a tap to advise,that behaviour is not on! Cats also shit in the garden, kill things or each other and don't have the capacity for language. Other than that it's a pretty persuasive appeal to nature 🤣 Have you never shat in the garden then?
Not my garden.
Was that you? I thought it was too big for a fox.
Oh, and no child needs to be hit, no matter how many synonyms there are for it.
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"Does that mean when we’re having sex you can’t smack you partners arse " This comment makes it sound like you’re not on normal communal exercise. I’m not sure if that was the intentional joke | |||
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"I thought there was already laws for this throughout the uk? My parents used to beat me rotten whenever I was naughty or did something wrong. It taught me nothing but hatred towards my parents. Pro tip, if as a parent your only resort to correct behaviour by methods of violence. You’ve failed as a parent. " Sorry that happened to you - but there’s a huge difference between being “beaten rotten” and being slapped. All of the campaigners I’ve seen speak about this subject seem to make similar comparisons to yours, which is really misleading. I’ve also noticed a lot of the studies they quote as evidence actually aren’t that scientific. I’m all for discipline, as long as it doesn’t cross a boundary. We’ll all be paying the price when we have a generation who have no consideration or fear of punishment (arguably we’re already seeing it already). | |||
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"I thought there was already laws for this throughout the uk? My parents used to beat me rotten whenever I was naughty or did something wrong. It taught me nothing but hatred towards my parents. Pro tip, if as a parent your only resort to correct behaviour by methods of violence. You’ve failed as a parent. Sorry that happened to you - but there’s a huge difference between being “beaten rotten” and being slapped. All of the campaigners I’ve seen speak about this subject seem to make similar comparisons to yours, which is really misleading. I’ve also noticed a lot of the studies they quote as evidence actually aren’t that scientific. I’m all for discipline, as long as it doesn’t cross a boundary. We’ll all be paying the price when we have a generation who have no consideration or fear of punishment (arguably we’re already seeing it already)." The flip side of that is the consequences of hitting children has given us a lot of adults that try to justify hitting children because they lack the skills to parent without violence. A lot of domestic abuse in the country, probably no link between children learning to get what you want is to hit someone weaker than you though. | |||
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"I thought there was already laws for this throughout the uk? My parents used to beat me rotten whenever I was naughty or did something wrong. It taught me nothing but hatred towards my parents. Pro tip, if as a parent your only resort to correct behaviour by methods of violence. You’ve failed as a parent. Sorry that happened to you - but there’s a huge difference between being “beaten rotten” and being slapped. All of the campaigners I’ve seen speak about this subject seem to make similar comparisons to yours, which is really misleading. I’ve also noticed a lot of the studies they quote as evidence actually aren’t that scientific. I’m all for discipline, as long as it doesn’t cross a boundary. We’ll all be paying the price when we have a generation who have no consideration or fear of punishment (arguably we’re already seeing it already). The flip side of that is the consequences of hitting children has given us a lot of adults that try to justify hitting children because they lack the skills to parent without violence. A lot of domestic abuse in the country, probably no link between children learning to get what you want is to hit someone weaker than you though. " What is that flip side based on? It’s just a made up stat | |||
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"I thought there was already laws for this throughout the uk? My parents used to beat me rotten whenever I was naughty or did something wrong. It taught me nothing but hatred towards my parents. Pro tip, if as a parent your only resort to correct behaviour by methods of violence. You’ve failed as a parent. Sorry that happened to you - but there’s a huge difference between being “beaten rotten” and being slapped. All of the campaigners I’ve seen speak about this subject seem to make similar comparisons to yours, which is really misleading. I’ve also noticed a lot of the studies they quote as evidence actually aren’t that scientific. I’m all for discipline, as long as it doesn’t cross a boundary. We’ll all be paying the price when we have a generation who have no consideration or fear of punishment (arguably we’re already seeing it already). The flip side of that is the consequences of hitting children has given us a lot of adults that try to justify hitting children because they lack the skills to parent without violence. A lot of domestic abuse in the country, probably no link between children learning to get what you want is to hit someone weaker than you though. What is that flip side based on? It’s just a made up stat " Just an observation. How can you expect a child who grew up being hit when they did something to know not to do that to others. After the child is hit is it explained to them hitting is wrong? How does that conversation go ‘violence is not the answer unless it’s you because you’re naughty’ | |||
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"I thought there was already laws for this throughout the uk? My parents used to beat me rotten whenever I was naughty or did something wrong. It taught me nothing but hatred towards my parents. Pro tip, if as a parent your only resort to correct behaviour by methods of violence. You’ve failed as a parent. Sorry that happened to you - but there’s a huge difference between being “beaten rotten” and being slapped. All of the campaigners I’ve seen speak about this subject seem to make similar comparisons to yours, which is really misleading. I’ve also noticed a lot of the studies they quote as evidence actually aren’t that scientific. I’m all for discipline, as long as it doesn’t cross a boundary. We’ll all be paying the price when we have a generation who have no consideration or fear of punishment (arguably we’re already seeing it already)." If you have to resort to hitting your kid to punish them, you've failed as a parent in my opinion. Here's a scenario, if you needed to punish someone in the workplace, would you hit them? No because they'd knock you the fuck out. | |||
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"I thought there was already laws for this throughout the uk? My parents used to beat me rotten whenever I was naughty or did something wrong. It taught me nothing but hatred towards my parents. Pro tip, if as a parent your only resort to correct behaviour by methods of violence. You’ve failed as a parent. Sorry that happened to you - but there’s a huge difference between being “beaten rotten” and being slapped. All of the campaigners I’ve seen speak about this subject seem to make similar comparisons to yours, which is really misleading. I’ve also noticed a lot of the studies they quote as evidence actually aren’t that scientific. I’m all for discipline, as long as it doesn’t cross a boundary. We’ll all be paying the price when we have a generation who have no consideration or fear of punishment (arguably we’re already seeing it already). The flip side of that is the consequences of hitting children has given us a lot of adults that try to justify hitting children because they lack the skills to parent without violence. A lot of domestic abuse in the country, probably no link between children learning to get what you want is to hit someone weaker than you though. What is that flip side based on? It’s just a made up stat Just an observation. How can you expect a child who grew up being hit when they did something to know not to do that to others. After the child is hit is it explained to them hitting is wrong? How does that conversation go ‘violence is not the answer unless it’s you because you’re naughty’ " Easy. You tell the child that violence is wrong and explain the difference between actual violence, vs formalised punishment between parent and child. Once again I’m sorry for all of those people who have been properly beaten by their parents. But I’m not referring to that. | |||
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"I thought there was already laws for this throughout the uk? My parents used to beat me rotten whenever I was naughty or did something wrong. It taught me nothing but hatred towards my parents. Pro tip, if as a parent your only resort to correct behaviour by methods of violence. You’ve failed as a parent. Sorry that happened to you - but there’s a huge difference between being “beaten rotten” and being slapped. All of the campaigners I’ve seen speak about this subject seem to make similar comparisons to yours, which is really misleading. I’ve also noticed a lot of the studies they quote as evidence actually aren’t that scientific. I’m all for discipline, as long as it doesn’t cross a boundary. We’ll all be paying the price when we have a generation who have no consideration or fear of punishment (arguably we’re already seeing it already). The flip side of that is the consequences of hitting children has given us a lot of adults that try to justify hitting children because they lack the skills to parent without violence. A lot of domestic abuse in the country, probably no link between children learning to get what you want is to hit someone weaker than you though. What is that flip side based on? It’s just a made up stat Just an observation. How can you expect a child who grew up being hit when they did something to know not to do that to others. After the child is hit is it explained to them hitting is wrong? How does that conversation go ‘violence is not the answer unless it’s you because you’re naughty’ Easy. You tell the child that violence is wrong and explain the difference between actual violence, vs formalised punishment between parent and child. Once again I’m sorry for all of those people who have been properly beaten by their parents. But I’m not referring to that." I’m fortunate that I had a loving family who didn’t hit me. The result is I wouldn’t fight for a ‘right’ to hit children. I’m sorry to those that were hit and can’t see that hitting children is wrong | |||
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" If you have to resort to hitting your kid to punish them, you've failed as a parent in my opinion. Here's a scenario, if you needed to punish someone in the workplace, would you hit them? No because they'd knock you the fuck out. " That’s actually a very naive and untrue statement. It was the normal way to parent up until very recently. Millions of years of parenting mean that the majority of human history had “failed” ? Also outside of the western world it’s still the norm too. Once again I’m all for the protection of children. I’m anti abuse (obviously). Anti violence in general. But I believe there is a place for controlled and formalised discipline that does not cross boundaries. Especially for those children who do not respond to other types of punishment, and children who are living in situations where there’s a high likelihood of their peers influencing them more than parents, and pulling them into a life of crime and REAL violence. | |||
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"I thought there was already laws for this throughout the uk? My parents used to beat me rotten whenever I was naughty or did something wrong. It taught me nothing but hatred towards my parents. Pro tip, if as a parent your only resort to correct behaviour by methods of violence. You’ve failed as a parent. Sorry that happened to you - but there’s a huge difference between being “beaten rotten” and being slapped. All of the campaigners I’ve seen speak about this subject seem to make similar comparisons to yours, which is really misleading. I’ve also noticed a lot of the studies they quote as evidence actually aren’t that scientific. I’m all for discipline, as long as it doesn’t cross a boundary. We’ll all be paying the price when we have a generation who have no consideration or fear of punishment (arguably we’re already seeing it already). The flip side of that is the consequences of hitting children has given us a lot of adults that try to justify hitting children because they lack the skills to parent without violence. A lot of domestic abuse in the country, probably no link between children learning to get what you want is to hit someone weaker than you though. What is that flip side based on? It’s just a made up stat Just an observation. How can you expect a child who grew up being hit when they did something to know not to do that to others. After the child is hit is it explained to them hitting is wrong? How does that conversation go ‘violence is not the answer unless it’s you because you’re naughty’ Easy. You tell the child that violence is wrong and explain the difference between actual violence, vs formalised punishment between parent and child. Once again I’m sorry for all of those people who have been properly beaten by their parents. But I’m not referring to that. I’m fortunate that I had a loving family who didn’t hit me. The result is I wouldn’t fight for a ‘right’ to hit children. I’m sorry to those that were hit and can’t see that hitting children is wrong " Why are you adding made up quotes. Who said anything about a “right” to hit children? We are of course talking about parenting and discipline. Nobody is asking for asking to randomly go around hitting any kids they see. It’s this kind of misrepresentation that shuts down any meaningful conversation. | |||
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" If you have to resort to hitting your kid to punish them, you've failed as a parent in my opinion. Here's a scenario, if you needed to punish someone in the workplace, would you hit them? No because they'd knock you the fuck out. That’s actually a very naive and untrue statement. It was the normal way to parent up until very recently. Millions of years of parenting mean that the majority of human history had “failed” ? Also outside of the western world it’s still the norm too. Once again I’m all for the protection of children. I’m anti abuse (obviously). Anti violence in general. But I believe there is a place for controlled and formalised discipline that does not cross boundaries. Especially for those children who do not respond to other types of punishment, and children who are living in situations where there’s a high likelihood of their peers influencing them more than parents, and pulling them into a life of crime and REAL violence." What physical punishment do you suggest will stop them from responding to the influence of their peers? | |||
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" If you have to resort to hitting your kid to punish them, you've failed as a parent in my opinion. Here's a scenario, if you needed to punish someone in the workplace, would you hit them? No because they'd knock you the fuck out. That’s actually a very naive and untrue statement. It was the normal way to parent up until very recently. Millions of years of parenting mean that the majority of human history had “failed” ? Also outside of the western world it’s still the norm too. Once again I’m all for the protection of children. I’m anti abuse (obviously). Anti violence in general. But I believe there is a place for controlled and formalised discipline that does not cross boundaries. Especially for those children who do not respond to other types of punishment, and children who are living in situations where there’s a high likelihood of their peers influencing them more than parents, and pulling them into a life of crime and REAL violence." It's actually not if you have to resort to violence of any kind to parent in this day and age YOU HAVE FAILED AS A PARENT. We tell our kids it is wrong to use violence to solve our problems and then some parents in the next breath will slap their kid because they were naughty. Sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. My dad would beat the snot out of me if a was a minute late out the door for school in the morning, if I didn't get all spellings right in a Friday test, if I got a note home for talking in class. He broke my arm one day because my hand writing wasn't as good as he thought it should be. I really really believe that you shouldn't have to hit kids to discipline them, talk to them explain what you think they are doing wrong and instead of punishing them help and encourage them to behave in a respectful manner. Giving respect gets respect. Sorry for the rant. I don't mean to be having a go at you. Obviously your entitled to your opinion | |||
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"I heard on the radio that leading doctors want the defence of 'reasonanle chastisement' of a child to be ended. I was amazed smacking is already banned in Scotland. Why is there not one law in the uK?" Because England lests Scotland lead the way , but end of the day we are the Guinea pigs. | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking?" I'm a teacher. I've never smacked a pupil. My classroom isn't carnage and there's 32 of them. I would suppose then there's alternatives. | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking? I'm a teacher. I've never smacked a pupil. My classroom isn't carnage and there's 32 of them. I would suppose then there's alternatives." Teachers should not hit children | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking? I'm a teacher. I've never smacked a pupil. My classroom isn't carnage and there's 32 of them. I would suppose then there's alternatives. Teachers should not hit children " I think that’s the point she’s making. If she’s able to manage a classroom of 32 without violence there is clearly alternatives for parents | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking?" Just stick a smartphone in their hands and let the internet parent them  | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking?" We managed it. | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking? I'm a teacher. I've never smacked a pupil. My classroom isn't carnage and there's 32 of them. I would suppose then there's alternatives. Teachers should not hit children I think that’s the point she’s making. If she’s able to manage a classroom of 32 without violence there is clearly alternatives for parents" Agreed. A teacher should never hit or smack a child. | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking? I'm a teacher. I've never smacked a pupil. My classroom isn't carnage and there's 32 of them. I would suppose then there's alternatives. Teachers should not hit children I think that’s the point she’s making. If she’s able to manage a classroom of 32 without violence there is clearly alternatives for parents Agreed. A teacher should never hit or smack a child. " Agreed. No one should ever hit a child. Including their parents | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking?" This evening I put a 3 Yr old in their bedroom twice, after they attacked a sibling. I explained why they were in there, not joining in with the fun, and what they needed to do to come back and join in. It will happen again while they're all young, but it diffuses the situation. We also take away screen time. It's not a punishment either. It's reflection time. | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking? This evening I put a 3 Yr old in their bedroom twice, after they attacked a sibling. I explained why they were in there, not joining in with the fun, and what they needed to do to come back and join in. It will happen again while they're all young, but it diffuses the situation. We also take away screen time. It's not a punishment either. It's reflection time. " Why are they atacking each other ? What is going on here ? | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking? This evening I put a 3 Yr old in their bedroom twice, after they attacked a sibling. I explained why they were in there, not joining in with the fun, and what they needed to do to come back and join in. It will happen again while they're all young, but it diffuses the situation. We also take away screen time. It's not a punishment either. It's reflection time. Why are they atacking each other ? What is going on here ?" They're children. They attack without warning. One doesn't, actually, she's an angel. Another only does it occasionally. The youngest does it the most. I don't know why, but she seems to get a kick out of it, as she does it with a smile. The youngest two have done it since they could walk. Biting and hair pulling. | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking? This evening I put a 3 Yr old in their bedroom twice, after they attacked a sibling. I explained why they were in there, not joining in with the fun, and what they needed to do to come back and join in. It will happen again while they're all young, but it diffuses the situation. We also take away screen time. It's not a punishment either. It's reflection time. Why are they atacking each other ? What is going on here ? They're children. They attack without warning. One doesn't, actually, she's an angel. Another only does it occasionally. The youngest does it the most. I don't know why, but she seems to get a kick out of it, as she does it with a smile. The youngest two have done it since they could walk. Biting and hair pulling. " Sounds like me and my siblings! We are in our 50s though.  | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking? This evening I put a 3 Yr old in their bedroom twice, after they attacked a sibling. I explained why they were in there, not joining in with the fun, and what they needed to do to come back and join in. It will happen again while they're all young, but it diffuses the situation. We also take away screen time. It's not a punishment either. It's reflection time. Why are they atacking each other ? What is going on here ? They're children. They attack without warning. One doesn't, actually, she's an angel. Another only does it occasionally. The youngest does it the most. I don't know why, but she seems to get a kick out of it, as she does it with a smile. The youngest two have done it since they could walk. Biting and hair pulling. " Are there professionals who can assist or advise?. | |||
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"How do parents install boundaries without smacking? This evening I put a 3 Yr old in their bedroom twice, after they attacked a sibling. I explained why they were in there, not joining in with the fun, and what they needed to do to come back and join in. It will happen again while they're all young, but it diffuses the situation. We also take away screen time. It's not a punishment either. It's reflection time. Why are they atacking each other ? What is going on here ? They're children. They attack without warning. One doesn't, actually, she's an angel. Another only does it occasionally. The youngest does it the most. I don't know why, but she seems to get a kick out of it, as she does it with a smile. The youngest two have done it since they could walk. Biting and hair pulling. " take a step back and watch carefully you will find out the timid one is being bullied until theyve had enough of the other siberling. thats when the older one sorts out the pecking order as the term could be said other times they could play fine and get on but on more occasions than nothing that bullying side came out. the same can be said when they are protecting each other from other bullies they will protect each other also watch out for jealousy as they want to play with the older ones stuff but the older one says no now there is a sly attack whilst the other child exhibits in your face they are the ones that get caught doing the damage. | |||
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