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"Sydney university apparently has lots of data 📊 " yet not on this lol | |||
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"Sydney university apparently has lots of data 📊 " They haven't got enough data because everyone has that 100% legal threat on their profiles. | |||
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"Apparently according to the "expert " I'm discussing it with... we are all in a cult. "Oh we're in a cult? What cults that then? The happy, fun, open minded cult... rather that than their miserable, opinionated, stuck up, boring cult Maybe that's just us... if they don't like it f*ck-em xxx | |||
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"And of those 92% of relationships fail, what is the reason? Is it financial/domestic @buse? Is it falling out of love? Is it due to health issues, job relocation? Relationships fail all the time. For lots of reasons. Unless you can unequivocally attribute the relationship breakdown to their poly/swinging status, then I'd be very wary of the stats. " I've tried arguing that but it's falling on deaf ears . To be fair though half of them also found a woman breastfeeding in public disgusting to so  | |||
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"Been arguing in defence of swinging relationships on a popular social media platform and realised when I'm trying to defend it... that there is very little actual data available and what is around states that 92% or poly ( which i know is different from swinging) and non monogamous marriages fail..now in my experience this seems very flawed data Now my theory on this is that many keep it very private so until the relationship breaks down.. no one was aware it was a relationship/ marriage of this type.. Also the data suggesting swinging breaks up relationships ( again something I strongly disagree with, but accept that if a couple use it to try and fix an already strained relationship, it's not going to be healthy) So does anyone have any good research data..... as its a bit hard to argue that swinging can be healthy as couples talk more etc when Google tells people that 92% of these couples fail.. Does anyone else feel the data is just lacking due to most swingers or non monogamous couples keeping it to themselves.. therefore to the outside people think they are a vanilla couple?? Or any other ideas I did find a research paper from Houston Texas but it didn't cite any of its sources for data. Thanks Cali " Arguing that swinging can be healthy relies on a few key points: communication, relationship satisfaction, trust, and personal fulfillment. Research on consensual non-monogamy (CNM), including swinging, supports the idea that it can contribute to a strong and fulfilling relationship—when approached in a healthy way. 1. Communication & Trust One of the biggest advantages of swinging is that it forces open and honest communication between partners. Unlike some traditional monogamous relationships where cheating may occur in secret, swinging requires explicit consent, boundaries, and discussions about desires and expectations. • Dr. Justin Lehmiller (Kinsey Institute Researcher) found that people in CNM relationships often report higher levels of communication and trust than monogamous couples. In his book Tell Me What You Want, he discusses how non-monogamous individuals tend to have deeper conversations about needs and boundaries. • Moors et al. (2014) found that individuals in consensually non-monogamous relationships report equal or higher levels of trust and honesty compared to monogamous couples. 2. Relationship Satisfaction Despite the common stereotype that swinging leads to breakups, research shows that many non-monogamous couples report equal or greater levels of relationship satisfaction compared to monogamous couples. • A study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior (2017) found that people in CNM relationships report similar levels of commitment and satisfaction as monogamous couples. This contradicts the idea that non-monogamous relationships are inherently unstable. • Rubin & Adams (1986) conducted one of the earliest studies on swingers and found that many reported high levels of marital satisfaction—often due to the excitement, open communication, and trust required in swinging relationships. 3. Addressing the ‘Swinging Ruins Relationships’ Myth A common argument against swinging is that it leads to breakups. However, the key factor isn’t swinging itself—it’s the state of the relationship before entering it. • Study by Vaillant & Zaleski (2014) found that couples who entered non-monogamy with clear communication and a strong emotional foundation had high satisfaction levels. In contrast, those who tried it to “fix” an already strained relationship were more likely to struggle. • Sheff & Tesene (2015) found that jealousy in non-monogamous relationships is often managed better than in monogamous ones, as partners develop coping strategies and openly discuss boundaries. 4. Psychological Well-Being & Personal Fulfillment Swinging allows people to explore their sexuality without deception while maintaining a committed relationship. • Conley et al. (2018) found that individuals in CNM relationships reported lower levels of jealousy and higher levels of sexual satisfaction compared to monogamous individuals. • The Journal of Sex Research (2020) published findings showing that people engaged in CNM often feel more sexually fulfilled and experience less guilt or shame about their desires compared to those who suppress them in monogamy. Conclusion: Swinging Can Be Healthy IF… 1. The relationship is built on strong communication and trust. 2. Both partners genuinely want to explore non-monogamy, rather than one pushing the other. 3. Boundaries are discussed and respected. 4. It’s not used as a “fix” for an already struggling relationship. While research on swinging specifically is still somewhat limited, the broader research on CNM shows strong evidence that non-monogamous relationships can be just as healthy—if not healthier—than traditional monogamous ones. | |||
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"Sydney university apparently has lots of data 📊 They haven't got enough data because everyone has that 100% legal threat on their profiles." Quite right too …. nosy barstards ! | |||
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"I think that it is as you sort of steered towards. Many swinging journeys tend to begin in a bid to reinvigorate their relationship which is a dodgy move. Therefore, the statistics are immediately flawed." see I'd say that was a flawed view... as we all know that a relationship needs to be strong before you add anyone else... adding another is going to be asking for trouble. I'd say more couples decide to try a 3sum because of sexual desires than trying to appease someone | |||
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"Been arguing in defence of swinging relationships on a popular social media platform and realised when I'm trying to defend it... that there is very little actual data available and what is around states that 92% or poly ( which i know is different from swinging) and non monogamous marriages fail..now in my experience this seems very flawed data Now my theory on this is that many keep it very private so until the relationship breaks down.. no one was aware it was a relationship/ marriage of this type.. Also the data suggesting swinging breaks up relationships ( again something I strongly disagree with, but accept that if a couple use it to try and fix an already strained relationship, it's not going to be healthy) So does anyone have any good research data..... as its a bit hard to argue that swinging can be healthy as couples talk more etc when Google tells people that 92% of these couples fail.. Does anyone else feel the data is just lacking due to most swingers or non monogamous couples keeping it to themselves.. therefore to the outside people think they are a vanilla couple?? Or any other ideas I did find a research paper from Houston Texas but it didn't cite any of its sources for data. Thanks Cali Arguing that swinging can be healthy relies on a few key points: communication, relationship satisfaction, trust, and personal fulfillment. Research on consensual non-monogamy (CNM), including swinging, supports the idea that it can contribute to a strong and fulfilling relationship—when approached in a healthy way. 1. Communication & Trust One of the biggest advantages of swinging is that it forces open and honest communication between partners. Unlike some traditional monogamous relationships where cheating may occur in secret, swinging requires explicit consent, boundaries, and discussions about desires and expectations. • Dr. Justin Lehmiller (Kinsey Institute Researcher) found that people in CNM relationships often report higher levels of communication and trust than monogamous couples. In his book Tell Me What You Want, he discusses how non-monogamous individuals tend to have deeper conversations about needs and boundaries. • Moors et al. (2014) found that individuals in consensually non-monogamous relationships report equal or higher levels of trust and honesty compared to monogamous couples. 2. Relationship Satisfaction Despite the common stereotype that swinging leads to breakups, research shows that many non-monogamous couples report equal or greater levels of relationship satisfaction compared to monogamous couples. • A study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior (2017) found that people in CNM relationships report similar levels of commitment and satisfaction as monogamous couples. This contradicts the idea that non-monogamous relationships are inherently unstable. • Rubin & Adams (1986) conducted one of the earliest studies on swingers and found that many reported high levels of marital satisfaction—often due to the excitement, open communication, and trust required in swinging relationships. 3. Addressing the ‘Swinging Ruins Relationships’ Myth A common argument against swinging is that it leads to breakups. However, the key factor isn’t swinging itself—it’s the state of the relationship before entering it. • Study by Vaillant & Zaleski (2014) found that couples who entered non-monogamy with clear communication and a strong emotional foundation had high satisfaction levels. In contrast, those who tried it to “fix” an already strained relationship were more likely to struggle. • Sheff & Tesene (2015) found that jealousy in non-monogamous relationships is often managed better than in monogamous ones, as partners develop coping strategies and openly discuss boundaries. 4. Psychological Well-Being & Personal Fulfillment Swinging allows people to explore their sexuality without deception while maintaining a committed relationship. • Conley et al. (2018) found that individuals in CNM relationships reported lower levels of jealousy and higher levels of sexual satisfaction compared to monogamous individuals. • The Journal of Sex Research (2020) published findings showing that people engaged in CNM often feel more sexually fulfilled and experience less guilt or shame about their desires compared to those who suppress them in monogamy. Conclusion: Swinging Can Be Healthy IF… 1. The relationship is built on strong communication and trust. 2. Both partners genuinely want to explore non-monogamy, rather than one pushing the other. 3. Boundaries are discussed and respected. 4. It’s not used as a “fix” for an already struggling relationship. While research on swinging specifically is still somewhat limited, the broader research on CNM shows strong evidence that non-monogamous relationships can be just as healthy—if not healthier—than traditional monogamous ones." that's pretty much what I've posted in defence but been told it's a cult now 😆 but did realise that any data would be flawed due to most people never saying they are swingers etc ... and people tend to shout loudest when it's going wrong. | |||
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"Been arguing in defence of swinging relationships on a popular social media platform and realised when I'm trying to defend it... that there is very little actual data available and what is around states that 92% or poly ( which i know is different from swinging) and non monogamous marriages fail..now in my experience this seems very flawed data Now my theory on this is that many keep it very private so until the relationship breaks down.. no one was aware it was a relationship/ marriage of this type.. Also the data suggesting swinging breaks up relationships ( again something I strongly disagree with, but accept that if a couple use it to try and fix an already strained relationship, it's not going to be healthy) So does anyone have any good research data..... as its a bit hard to argue that swinging can be healthy as couples talk more etc when Google tells people that 92% of these couples fail.. Does anyone else feel the data is just lacking due to most swingers or non monogamous couples keeping it to themselves.. therefore to the outside people think they are a vanilla couple?? Or any other ideas I did find a research paper from Houston Texas but it didn't cite any of its sources for data. Thanks Cali Arguing that swinging can be healthy relies on a few key points: communication, relationship satisfaction, trust, and personal fulfillment. Research on consensual non-monogamy (CNM), including swinging, supports the idea that it can contribute to a strong and fulfilling relationship—when approached in a healthy way. 1. Communication & Trust One of the biggest advantages of swinging is that it forces open and honest communication between partners. Unlike some traditional monogamous relationships where cheating may occur in secret, swinging requires explicit consent, boundaries, and discussions about desires and expectations. • Dr. Justin Lehmiller (Kinsey Institute Researcher) found that people in CNM relationships often report higher levels of communication and trust than monogamous couples. In his book Tell Me What You Want, he discusses how non-monogamous individuals tend to have deeper conversations about needs and boundaries. • Moors et al. (2014) found that individuals in consensually non-monogamous relationships report equal or higher levels of trust and honesty compared to monogamous couples. 2. Relationship Satisfaction Despite the common stereotype that swinging leads to breakups, research shows that many non-monogamous couples report equal or greater levels of relationship satisfaction compared to monogamous couples. • A study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior (2017) found that people in CNM relationships report similar levels of commitment and satisfaction as monogamous couples. This contradicts the idea that non-monogamous relationships are inherently unstable. • Rubin & Adams (1986) conducted one of the earliest studies on swingers and found that many reported high levels of marital satisfaction—often due to the excitement, open communication, and trust required in swinging relationships. 3. Addressing the ‘Swinging Ruins Relationships’ Myth A common argument against swinging is that it leads to breakups. However, the key factor isn’t swinging itself—it’s the state of the relationship before entering it. • Study by Vaillant & Zaleski (2014) found that couples who entered non-monogamy with clear communication and a strong emotional foundation had high satisfaction levels. In contrast, those who tried it to “fix” an already strained relationship were more likely to struggle. • Sheff & Tesene (2015) found that jealousy in non-monogamous relationships is often managed better than in monogamous ones, as partners develop coping strategies and openly discuss boundaries. 4. Psychological Well-Being & Personal Fulfillment Swinging allows people to explore their sexuality without deception while maintaining a committed relationship. • Conley et al. (2018) found that individuals in CNM relationships reported lower levels of jealousy and higher levels of sexual satisfaction compared to monogamous individuals. • The Journal of Sex Research (2020) published findings showing that people engaged in CNM often feel more sexually fulfilled and experience less guilt or shame about their desires compared to those who suppress them in monogamy. Conclusion: Swinging Can Be Healthy IF… 1. The relationship is built on strong communication and trust. 2. Both partners genuinely want to explore non-monogamy, rather than one pushing the other. 3. Boundaries are discussed and respected. 4. It’s not used as a “fix” for an already struggling relationship. While research on swinging specifically is still somewhat limited, the broader research on CNM shows strong evidence that non-monogamous relationships can be just as healthy—if not healthier—than traditional monogamous ones. that's pretty much what I've posted in defence but been told it's a cult now 😆 but did realise that any data would be flawed due to most people never saying they are swingers etc ... and people tend to shout loudest when it's going wrong. " That’s exactly it—the loudest voices are usually the negative ones. People who are happily swinging (or in any form of CNM) generally keep it private, while those who have a bad experience are more likely to talk about it publicly. That skews perception massively. As for being called a “cult”… that’s just people grasping at straws when they don’t have a solid counterargument. A cult requires coercion and control, while swinging is based on mutual consent, open communication, and personal choice. If anything, monogamy has historically been more socially enforced, while swinging is about people deciding for themselves what works best. It’s like anything else—if it’s done in a healthy, ethical way, it can be great for those involved. If someone tries it for the wrong reasons or without proper boundaries, of course, it can go wrong. But that’s true of monogamous relationships too! If anything, the fact that some people react so strongly proves how deeply ingrained traditional relationship models are. The idea that happiness and commitment can exist outside of strict monogamy really challenges some people’s beliefs. | |||
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"92% seems high but isn't it obvious that more 'open' or flexible relationship have shorter life spans than monogamous ones, and isn't that kind of the point ? The poly people I've come across are constantly in relationship flux and it seems to attract people with some insecurities/attachment issues." I'd say that your less likely to split in an open or non monogamous relationship. I do think poly changes things a little though | |||
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