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"Do you think we live in a free country? If not would you want to live in a free country?" Il just say I am happy living in this one  | |||
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"Do you think we live in a free country? If not would you want to live in a free country?" Define free. | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free " I think you need to sit in a shed while holding a candle naked . I hope you then find your sense of freedom . | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free I think you need to sit in a shed while holding a candle naked . I hope you then find your sense of freedom . " In order to do that I would need to work to buy a plot if land. Get planning permission and permission to chop trees to build shed. Then id need apply for livestock license to get animal fat to make a candle. Naked I can do but only once id built my shed so I wasn't annoying anyone | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free " You are free to do all that, but the land to do it on is not so free so you will need to have money to buy land, or find some nobody else wants, which is getting harder on this planet, but still not impossible. | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free I think you need to sit in a shed while holding a candle naked . I hope you then find your sense of freedom . In order to do that I would need to work to buy a plot if land. Get planning permission and permission to chop trees to build shed. Then id need apply for livestock license to get animal fat to make a candle. Naked I can do but only once id built my shed so I wasn't annoying anyone" Do you ever feel you were born Two Thousand years too late?  | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free " what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free I think you need to sit in a shed while holding a candle naked . I hope you then find your sense of freedom . In order to do that I would need to work to buy a plot if land. Get planning permission and permission to chop trees to build shed. Then id need apply for livestock license to get animal fat to make a candle. Naked I can do but only once id built my shed so I wasn't annoying anyone Do you ever feel you were born Two Thousand years too late? " | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol" Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exst by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler" Does having laws in a country make it less free? America calls itself "the land of the free" but what do they mean by that? and does it apply to us as well ? | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler" what is stopping you? If you are so desperate to opt out, then do it..yes you have to abide by the laws, they are there to protect everyone. So no, you cannot smelt copper in your back garden that is harming people Pack in your job, go live somewhere on an island (there are dozens littered all round the uk) and be self sufficient. Nobody says that is against the law...It is a choice... | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. " The face we have a vote and an opinion is a direct argument with this....the politicians are elected my a majority vote that we the public make then we whinge because we don't like what they decided. If we don't vote for them they don't get to make decisions... Look at some of the middle eastern countries and then say we live in a dictatorship. | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. " Feel lucky that you live in a country free enough to hold elections in the first place..... | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. " The fact you are free to say such things on a site such as this suggests otherwise. | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler what is stopping you? If you are so desperate to opt out, then do it..yes you have to abide by the laws, they are there to protect everyone. So no, you cannot smelt copper in your back garden that is harming people Pack in your job, go live somewhere on an island (there are dozens littered all round the uk) and be self sufficient. Nobody says that is against the law...It is a choice..." I cannot do that tho as I am not free to travel without first asking permission. Nit free to build a home as its on someones land and nit free to eat as someone owns the livestock or the berries are 'protected' The land of the free? A supposedly democratic country where you boys for someone and get someone else. Where the promise one thing and do another. Anyone thinks they are free are deluded. You are looked upon as ahit if you don't strive for the material possesions and vilified as a weirdo if you do opt out. One day this so called civulisation will crumble and we may have freedom | |||
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"Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler" I burn wood shavings and sawdust in my back garden almost every day, never had a problem. the rules you mention are all down to proximity of other people. If we are to live together then some standards that allow that without violence and bloodshed are required. Get out of the city go find a spot in a large piece of open land and get naked, light fires. Hunt & forage for your food. even in the UK it can be done, but if you want the company and luxuries of the rest of society then you have to contribute and follow the rules. p.s. if being naked is really your goal then possibly somewhere more temperate in the winter is a good plan  | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. The fact you are free to say such things on a site such as this suggests otherwise. " But there are many many things that we can not say on a website. Look at the people who have been had up on what they have put up on sites like Facebook and Twitter. We are not free to say what we want, in the Mods on this site remove posts. | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler what is stopping you? If you are so desperate to opt out, then do it..yes you have to abide by the laws, they are there to protect everyone. So no, you cannot smelt copper in your back garden that is harming people Pack in your job, go live somewhere on an island (there are dozens littered all round the uk) and be self sufficient. Nobody says that is against the law...It is a choice... I cannot do that tho as I am not free to travel without first asking permission. Nit free to build a home as its on someones land and nit free to eat as someone owns the livestock or the berries are 'protected' The land of the free? A supposedly democratic country where you boys for someone and get someone else. Where the promise one thing and do another. Anyone thinks they are free are deluded. You are looked upon as ahit if you don't strive for the material possesions and vilified as a weirdo if you do opt out. One day this so called civulisation will crumble and we may have freedom " Please don't be so arrogant as to call people deluded just because they don't have the same outlook as you. How long more do you have to wear your tag. I'm presuming you have one on because you need to ask permission before travelling. | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. The fact you are free to say such things on a site such as this suggests otherwise. But there are many many things that we can not say on a website. Look at the people who have been had up on what they have put up on sites like Facebook and Twitter. We are not free to say what we want, in the Mods on this site remove posts." Usually because they are illegal or offensive.. | |||
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"Do you think we live in a free country? If not would you want to live in a free country?" Apparently not according to some swingers clubs and fab | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler what is stopping you? If you are so desperate to opt out, then do it..yes you have to abide by the laws, they are there to protect everyone. So no, you cannot smelt copper in your back garden that is harming people Pack in your job, go live somewhere on an island (there are dozens littered all round the uk) and be self sufficient. Nobody says that is against the law...It is a choice... I cannot do that tho as I am not free to travel without first asking permission. Nit free to build a home as its on someones land and nit free to eat as someone owns the livestock or the berries are 'protected' The land of the free? A supposedly democratic country where you boys for someone and get someone else. Where the promise one thing and do another. Anyone thinks they are free are deluded. You are looked upon as ahit if you don't strive for the material possesions and vilified as a weirdo if you do opt out. One day this so called civulisation will crumble and we may have freedom " So you want the freedom to build on land that someone else owns?.....eat livestock that someone else owns? I think the country you are searching for is....Cloud Cuckoo Land | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. The fact you are free to say such things on a site such as this suggests otherwise. But there are many many things that we can not say on a website. Look at the people who have been had up on what they have put up on sites like Facebook and Twitter. We are not free to say what we want, in the Mods on this site remove posts." Of course you cannot say anything you like. Chaos would reign if that was the case. The rules are there to protect people not hinder them. | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler what is stopping you? If you are so desperate to opt out, then do it..yes you have to abide by the laws, they are there to protect everyone. So no, you cannot smelt copper in your back garden that is harming people Pack in your job, go live somewhere on an island (there are dozens littered all round the uk) and be self sufficient. Nobody says that is against the law...It is a choice... I cannot do that tho as I am not free to travel without first asking permission. Nit free to build a home as its on someones land and nit free to eat as someone owns the livestock or the berries are 'protected' The land of the free? A supposedly democratic country where you boys for someone and get someone else. Where the promise one thing and do another. Anyone thinks they are free are deluded. You are looked upon as ahit if you don't strive for the material possesions and vilified as a weirdo if you do opt out. One day this so called civulisation will crumble and we may have freedom Please don't be so arrogant as to call people deluded just because they don't have the same outlook as you. How long more do you have to wear your tag. I'm presuming you have one on because you need to ask permission before travelling. " How presumptuous. I am not tagged. I meant we are nit simply able to travel to an island or anywhere else. First U must be vetted and them pay for a passport. Freedom would be coming and going as you please. My argument is infallable. Not one thing you can di without first needing cash or a license or an offical document. If I were to do as I pleased I would be in prison by end of the day, that's hardly freedom. | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. The fact you are free to say such things on a site such as this suggests otherwise. But there are many many things that we can not say on a website. Look at the people who have been had up on what they have put up on sites like Facebook and Twitter. We are not free to say what we want, in the Mods on this site remove posts. Of course you cannot say anything you like. Chaos would reign if that was the case. The rules are there to protect people not hinder them. " So we are not free? Someone has said "These are the rules on what you can speak about"? | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler what is stopping you? If you are so desperate to opt out, then do it..yes you have to abide by the laws, they are there to protect everyone. So no, you cannot smelt copper in your back garden that is harming people Pack in your job, go live somewhere on an island (there are dozens littered all round the uk) and be self sufficient. Nobody says that is against the law...It is a choice... I cannot do that tho as I am not free to travel without first asking permission. Nit free to build a home as its on someones land and nit free to eat as someone owns the livestock or the berries are 'protected' The land of the free? A supposedly democratic country where you boys for someone and get someone else. Where the promise one thing and do another. Anyone thinks they are free are deluded. You are looked upon as ahit if you don't strive for the material possesions and vilified as a weirdo if you do opt out. One day this so called civulisation will crumble and we may have freedom So you want the freedom to build on land that someone else owns?.....eat livestock that someone else owns? I think the country you are searching for is....Cloud Cuckoo Land " But ownership of land etc is a made up construct. Why can't I go on this land. Coz some raping pillaging twat decided it was his and hand over to his descendants. Now if I want to do anything I have to pay. To do that I have to work. For them. Who the fuck are anyone to say I can't do this or that? After all they are only a human same as me. Only difference born with blue blood and a silver spoon and think they have a right over the rest of mankind | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. The fact you are free to say such things on a site such as this suggests otherwise. But there are many many things that we can not say on a website. Look at the people who have been had up on what they have put up on sites like Facebook and Twitter. We are not free to say what we want, in the Mods on this site remove posts. Of course you cannot say anything you like. Chaos would reign if that was the case. The rules are there to protect people not hinder them. So we are not free? Someone has said "These are the rules on what you can speak about"? " Do me a favour, do you really think you should be able to say exactly what you want no matter how untrue and illegal it is ? | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler what is stopping you? If you are so desperate to opt out, then do it..yes you have to abide by the laws, they are there to protect everyone. So no, you cannot smelt copper in your back garden that is harming people Pack in your job, go live somewhere on an island (there are dozens littered all round the uk) and be self sufficient. Nobody says that is against the law...It is a choice... I cannot do that tho as I am not free to travel without first asking permission. Nit free to build a home as its on someones land and nit free to eat as someone owns the livestock or the berries are 'protected' The land of the free? A supposedly democratic country where you boys for someone and get someone else. Where the promise one thing and do another. Anyone thinks they are free are deluded. You are looked upon as ahit if you don't strive for the material possesions and vilified as a weirdo if you do opt out. One day this so called civulisation will crumble and we may have freedom So you want the freedom to build on land that someone else owns?.....eat livestock that someone else owns? I think the country you are searching for is....Cloud Cuckoo Land But ownership of land etc is a made up construct. Why can't I go on this land. Coz some raping pillaging twat decided it was his and hand over to his descendants. Now if I want to do anything I have to pay. To do that I have to work. For them. Who the fuck are anyone to say I can't do this or that? After all they are only a human same as me. Only difference born with blue blood and a silver spoon and think they have a right over the rest of mankind" I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, we have worked very hard for everything we have got....would I want to give you the freedom to live on my land (if I had any) and eat my livestock (if we had any)? If you are waiting for some kind of judgement day when you will be able to live your idealistic lifestyle....you are unlikely to live that long. | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler what is stopping you? If you are so desperate to opt out, then do it..yes you have to abide by the laws, they are there to protect everyone. So no, you cannot smelt copper in your back garden that is harming people Pack in your job, go live somewhere on an island (there are dozens littered all round the uk) and be self sufficient. Nobody says that is against the law...It is a choice... I cannot do that tho as I am not free to travel without first asking permission. Nit free to build a home as its on someones land and nit free to eat as someone owns the livestock or the berries are 'protected' The land of the free? A supposedly democratic country where you boys for someone and get someone else. Where the promise one thing and do another. Anyone thinks they are free are deluded. You are looked upon as ahit if you don't strive for the material possesions and vilified as a weirdo if you do opt out. One day this so called civulisation will crumble and we may have freedom Please don't be so arrogant as to call people deluded just because they don't have the same outlook as you. How long more do you have to wear your tag. I'm presuming you have one on because you need to ask permission before travelling. How presumptuous. I am not tagged. I meant we are nit simply able to travel to an island or anywhere else. First U must be vetted and them pay for a passport. Freedom would be coming and going as you please. My argument is infallable. Not one thing you can di without first needing cash or a license or an offical document. If I were to do as I pleased I would be in prison by end of the day, that's hardly freedom. " You sound like you should lighten up a bit. There is lots for you to enjoy in this country. Just take your tin foil hat off and go and experience it. If your argument is infallible why are people arguing against ? | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler what is stopping you? If you are so desperate to opt out, then do it..yes you have to abide by the laws, they are there to protect everyone. So no, you cannot smelt copper in your back garden that is harming people Pack in your job, go live somewhere on an island (there are dozens littered all round the uk) and be self sufficient. Nobody says that is against the law...It is a choice... I cannot do that tho as I am not free to travel without first asking permission. Nit free to build a home as its on someones land and nit free to eat as someone owns the livestock or the berries are 'protected' The land of the free? A supposedly democratic country where you boys for someone and get someone else. Where the promise one thing and do another. Anyone thinks they are free are deluded. You are looked upon as ahit if you don't strive for the material possesions and vilified as a weirdo if you do opt out. One day this so called civulisation will crumble and we may have freedom Please don't be so arrogant as to call people deluded just because they don't have the same outlook as you. How long more do you have to wear your tag. I'm presuming you have one on because you need to ask permission before travelling. How presumptuous. I am not tagged. I meant we are nit simply able to travel to an island or anywhere else. First U must be vetted and them pay for a passport. Freedom would be coming and going as you please. My argument is infallable. Not one thing you can di without first needing cash or a license or an offical document. If I were to do as I pleased I would be in prison by end of the day, that's hardly freedom. " Then that says more about your own morality..Last time I checked you didn't need a passport to go to Scotland... | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. The fact you are free to say such things on a site such as this suggests otherwise. But there are many many things that we can not say on a website. Look at the people who have been had up on what they have put up on sites like Facebook and Twitter. We are not free to say what we want, in the Mods on this site remove posts. Of course you cannot say anything you like. Chaos would reign if that was the case. The rules are there to protect people not hinder them. So we are not free? Someone has said "These are the rules on what you can speak about"? " They are called laws and morals...and every civilised society needs them..That is what makes it civilised. | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. The fact you are free to say such things on a site such as this suggests otherwise. But there are many many things that we can not say on a website. Look at the people who have been had up on what they have put up on sites like Facebook and Twitter. We are not free to say what we want, in the Mods on this site remove posts. Of course you cannot say anything you like. Chaos would reign if that was the case. The rules are there to protect people not hinder them. So we are not free? Someone has said "These are the rules on what you can speak about"? They are called laws and morals...and every civilised society needs them..That is what makes it civilised." China and North Korea both have laws and morals but we do not call them free countries? | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. The fact you are free to say such things on a site such as this suggests otherwise. But there are many many things that we can not say on a website. Look at the people who have been had up on what they have put up on sites like Facebook and Twitter. We are not free to say what we want, in the Mods on this site remove posts. Of course you cannot say anything you like. Chaos would reign if that was the case. The rules are there to protect people not hinder them. So we are not free? Someone has said "These are the rules on what you can speak about"? They are called laws and morals...and every civilised society needs them..That is what makes it civilised. China and North Korea both have laws and morals but we do not call them free countries?" You indicated that because we can't say whatever we want to whoever therefore we are not a free country...my point was we are bound by morals and laws. | |||
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"Nowhere near free, politicians are there to make us think we are free. We live in an elected dictatorship. The fact you are free to say such things on a site such as this suggests otherwise. But there are many many things that we can not say on a website. Look at the people who have been had up on what they have put up on sites like Facebook and Twitter. We are not free to say what we want, in the Mods on this site remove posts. Of course you cannot say anything you like. Chaos would reign if that was the case. The rules are there to protect people not hinder them. So we are not free? Someone has said "These are the rules on what you can speak about"? They are called laws and morals...and every civilised society needs them..That is what makes it civilised. China and North Korea both have laws and morals but we do not call them free countries? You indicated that because we can't say whatever we want to whoever therefore we are not a free country...my point was we are bound by morals and laws." You suggested in your post that we are in a free country, as we have the freedom to write on this forum on this website. I am saying we have limited freedom to do that ... China have slightly more limits I most admit. Though saying that the limits to what people can say and can not say on websites in the UK and USA are get greater. | |||
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"What we write on web sites, forums etc are dictated by morals and laws not by being restricted and kept down. That doesn't mean we are not free, just that we live my a code of morality. I am sorry but given there are some total numpties out there who think they can behave as they please (see recent headlines) we need those codes to keep us safe from verbal and physical abuse. Surely you are not attempting to argue that we should be able to write and say whatever we please regardless of how that may affect other people???" Is not freedom of speak apart of a free country? China and North Korea think what they are doing is also for the best for their people. They use restrictions for the same reason as us. If you start restricting what people can read and write then you are taking away a major freedom. | |||
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"What we write on web sites, forums etc are dictated by morals and laws not by being restricted and kept down. That doesn't mean we are not free, just that we live my a code of morality. I am sorry but given there are some total numpties out there who think they can behave as they please (see recent headlines) we need those codes to keep us safe from verbal and physical abuse. Surely you are not attempting to argue that we should be able to write and say whatever we please regardless of how that may affect other people??? Is not freedom of speak apart of a free country? China and North Korea think what they are doing is also for the best for their people. They use restrictions for the same reason as us. If you start restricting what people can read and write then you are taking away a major freedom. " You asked if we lived in a free country in the OP , you didn't mention china or korea | |||
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"What we write on web sites, forums etc are dictated by morals and laws not by being restricted and kept down. That doesn't mean we are not free, just that we live my a code of morality. I am sorry but given there are some total numpties out there who think they can behave as they please (see recent headlines) we need those codes to keep us safe from verbal and physical abuse. Surely you are not attempting to argue that we should be able to write and say whatever we please regardless of how that may affect other people??? Is not freedom of speak apart of a free country? China and North Korea think what they are doing is also for the best for their people. They use restrictions for the same reason as us. If you start restricting what people can read and write then you are taking away a major freedom. " Bollocks! You are demonstrating to people that being rude, disrespectful and hurtful will not be tolerated by a civilised society! That we live by a moral code to treat each other in a respectful manner... where do you want to draw the line? are you saying that by being told you cannot kill the numpty who owns the piece of land you want to build on that you are being denied your freedom? That you have a right to do and say what you want in order for you to be free? | |||
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"Do you think we live in a free country? " The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind. | |||
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"Like everyone else you were born into bondage........ Mmmmmmm, Bondage!!!! "There is no spoon! | |||
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"Like everyone else you were born into bondage........ Mmmmmmm, Bondage!!!!
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But there are handcuffs and rope and blindfolds "If only you wouldn't shit yourself when they come out of the playbag.... things would be spiffing. | |||
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"What we write on web sites, forums etc are dictated by morals and laws not by being restricted and kept down. That doesn't mean we are not free, just that we live my a code of morality. I am sorry but given there are some total numpties out there who think they can behave as they please (see recent headlines) we need those codes to keep us safe from verbal and physical abuse. Surely you are not attempting to argue that we should be able to write and say whatever we please regardless of how that may affect other people??? Is not freedom of speak apart of a free country? China and North Korea think what they are doing is also for the best for their people. They use restrictions for the same reason as us. If you start restricting what people can read and write then you are taking away a major freedom. Bollocks! You are demonstrating to people that being rude, disrespectful and hurtful will not be tolerated by a civilised society! That we live by a moral code to treat each other in a respectful manner... where do you want to draw the line? are you saying that by being told you cannot kill the numpty who owns the piece of land you want to build on that you are being denied your freedom? That you have a right to do and say what you want in order for you to be free? " Who decides what is rude and disrespectful though? How decides what is best for me? The reason I mention China and North Korea is because these countries are seen as not free. | |||
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"What we write on web sites, forums etc are dictated by morals and laws not by being restricted and kept down. That doesn't mean we are not free, just that we live my a code of morality. I am sorry but given there are some total numpties out there who think they can behave as they please (see recent headlines) we need those codes to keep us safe from verbal and physical abuse. Surely you are not attempting to argue that we should be able to write and say whatever we please regardless of how that may affect other people??? Is not freedom of speak apart of a free country? China and North Korea think what they are doing is also for the best for their people. They use restrictions for the same reason as us. If you start restricting what people can read and write then you are taking away a major freedom. Bollocks! You are demonstrating to people that being rude, disrespectful and hurtful will not be tolerated by a civilised society! That we live by a moral code to treat each other in a respectful manner... where do you want to draw the line? are you saying that by being told you cannot kill the numpty who owns the piece of land you want to build on that you are being denied your freedom? That you have a right to do and say what you want in order for you to be free? Who decides what is rude and disrespectful though? How decides what is best for me? The reason I mention China and North Korea is because these countries are seen as not free." Ah there it is in a nutshell. Morality has developed over thousands of years and we as humans have shaped that. That hasn't come about as one persons decision. Society has evolved what is acceptable and what is not. Not a dictatorship and not censorship. if you hate this country you live in so much and its censorship of your morality as was mentioned earlier - opt out...Train north (no passport required) and go live on one of the remote islands off the coast of Scotland. Then you can live as however you see fit... | |||
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"What we write on web sites, forums etc are dictated by morals and laws not by being restricted and kept down. That doesn't mean we are not free, just that we live my a code of morality. I am sorry but given there are some total numpties out there who think they can behave as they please (see recent headlines) we need those codes to keep us safe from verbal and physical abuse. Surely you are not attempting to argue that we should be able to write and say whatever we please regardless of how that may affect other people??? Is not freedom of speak apart of a free country? China and North Korea think what they are doing is also for the best for their people. They use restrictions for the same reason as us. If you start restricting what people can read and write then you are taking away a major freedom. Bollocks! You are demonstrating to people that being rude, disrespectful and hurtful will not be tolerated by a civilised society! That we live by a moral code to treat each other in a respectful manner... where do you want to draw the line? are you saying that by being told you cannot kill the numpty who owns the piece of land you want to build on that you are being denied your freedom? That you have a right to do and say what you want in order for you to be free? Who decides what is rude and disrespectful though? How decides what is best for me? The reason I mention China and North Korea is because these countries are seen as not free. Ah there it is in a nutshell. Morality has developed over thousands of years and we as humans have shaped that. That hasn't come about as one persons decision. Society has evolved what is acceptable and what is not. Not a dictatorship and not censorship. if you hate this country you live in so much and its censorship of your morality as was mentioned earlier - opt out...Train north (no passport required) and go live on one of the remote islands off the coast of Scotland. Then you can live as however you see fit..." I do like this country. But I wish people would not say it is a free country. It is not a free country. It is a country that has limits, laws and regulations. By the way, the isles of Scotland are covered by the laws of the UK, you can not just go to one of them and do what you like. You can not go to any other them and just build a house etc. There are very few islands in the world that are not run under the laws of a sovereign country. | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free what planet do you live on? It's not the same as mine.. Nobody forces you to get married and have kids...at least not in the our society. Wasn't aware the police stopped you building a fire, isn't that what men call a BBQ? lol Try burning sone shit in your back garden and see how long it takes environmental health to come and fine you for it. My point is we are nit free to simply exist by our own means. The only way to get by is be a sheep and go with the system. Id love to just be a hermit and self sufficient but id be in jail by end of the week. Look at the naked rambler what is stopping you? If you are so desperate to opt out, then do it..yes you have to abide by the laws, they are there to protect everyone. So no, you cannot smelt copper in your back garden that is harming people Pack in your job, go live somewhere on an island (there are dozens littered all round the uk) and be self sufficient. Nobody says that is against the law...It is a choice... I cannot do that tho as I am not free to travel without first asking permission. Nit free to build a home as its on someones land and nit free to eat as someone owns the livestock or the berries are 'protected' The land of the free? A supposedly democratic country where you boys for someone and get someone else. Where the promise one thing and do another. Anyone thinks they are free are deluded. You are looked upon as ahit if you don't strive for the material possesions and vilified as a weirdo if you do opt out. One day this so called civulisation will crumble and we may have freedom Please don't be so arrogant as to call people deluded just because they don't have the same outlook as you. How long more do you have to wear your tag. I'm presuming you have one on because you need to ask permission before travelling. How presumptuous. I am not tagged. I meant we are nit simply able to travel to an island or anywhere else. First U must be vetted and them pay for a passport. Freedom would be coming and going as you please. My argument is infallable. Not one thing you can di without first needing cash or a license or an offical document. If I were to do as I pleased I would be in prison by end of the day, that's hardly freedom. Then that says more about your own morality..Last time I checked you didn't need a passport to go to Scotland..." Fingers crossed we will have to soon.... | |||
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"no. We are slaves to the system. Programmed from day of birth to be conditioned. Made to feel we want the wife house car and 2.4 children. Forces to go to school for further indoctrination in order to work for a pittance to obtain said desires. Work for your whole life to pay the government for the privilege. You can't say or do anything deemed different for fear of prosecution. Way I see it im a human from planet earth. If I wanted to chop down some trees build myself a shelter. A fire fir warmth. Breed animals and eat them. Grow herbs and run about naked I can Oh wait...cant chop trees as its trespassing on private property and harming the environment. Can't build fire as air pollution. Can't run around naked as deemed offensive. So no we are far from free " | |||
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"If you start restricting what people can read and write then you are taking away a major freedom. " But you have the freedom to say what ever you like, can't necessarily say it in this forum. But you can say it on the net or in public in a large number of places. There is a restriction on inciting hate crime in the UK but there is no internet blocks stopping you from reaching out to any country where it's legal and posting things there! The passport you are apparently against is not stopping you leaving the UK, I went abroad last Friday visited 4 separate countries and didn't get the passport out of my pocket until I was coming back to the UK on the Sunday. Only thing that is stopping you is you! The UK is a FREE and civilised country, in order to be civilised there have to be acceptable and unacceptable behaviour, if you feel that you can't live by the generally accepted standards then don't. Just go somewhere else! | |||
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"I do like this country. But I wish people would not say it is a free country. It is not a free country. It is a country that has limits, laws and regulations." You're completely abusing the meaning of the term 'free' if you think having laws means we are not free. If there were no laws we would be even less free, actually. | |||
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"If you start restricting what people can read and write then you are taking away a major freedom. But you have the freedom to say what ever you like, can't necessarily say it in this forum. But you can say it on the net or in public in a large number of places. There is a restriction on inciting hate crime in the UK but there is no internet blocks stopping you from reaching out to any country where it's legal and posting things there! " You can not post what you like on the Internet. The are many limits to what you can put on the internets. Look at the case brought against people that have written things on Facebook and Twitter. If you think this country is Free then I am afraid you are simply wrong. If you think this is a Free country, walk into a police station and wee on the floor. I am not saying that we should live in a free country, I am saying that we don't. We live by rules and laws, rules and laws that restrict are freedoms, but restrict them for good reason. | |||
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"I do like this country. But I wish people would not say it is a free country. It is not a free country. It is a country that has limits, laws and regulations. You're completely abusing the meaning of the term 'free' if you think having laws means we are not free. If there were no laws we would be even less free, actually." Exactamundo!.... | |||
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"I do like this country. But I wish people would not say it is a free country. It is not a free country. It is a country that has limits, laws and regulations. You're completely abusing the meaning of the term 'free' if you think having laws means we are not free. If there were no laws we would be even less free, actually." In your _iew what is the meaning on the term 'free' in this context ? | |||
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"If you think this is a Free country, walk into a police station and wee on the floor. " Hmm have to say I have never felt the urge to be free to piss on my own let alone other peoples floors. You ask for the freedom to steal property, do you also grant that freedom to others? can I move into your shed once you have built it and lock you out? | |||
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"If you think this is a Free country, walk into a police station and wee on the floor. Hmm have to say I have never felt the urge to be free to piss on my own let alone other peoples floors. You ask for the freedom to steal property, do you also grant that freedom to others? can I move into your shed once you have built it and lock you out?" Why do you think I want a free country? I am saying that we do not have a free country and it is good that we do not | |||
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"   so you are free enough?"I'm free.....On a tangent - is John Inman still alive?? | |||
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" so you are free enough?
I'm free.....On a tangent - is John Inman still alive??"Frederick John Inman (28 June 1935 – 8 March 2007) was an English actor and singer best known for his role as Mr. Humphries in Are You Being Served?, a British sitcom in the 1970s and 1980s. Inman was also well known in the United Kingdom as a pantomime dame. Born in 1935, Inman made his stage debut aged 13. He worked in retail in London as a young adult and after four years left to earn his Equity Card. He made his West End debut in the 1960s, and his television debut in an episode of A Slight Case of ... entitled The Enemy Within in 1965, next appearing in an episode of Two In Clover in 1970. After a successful pilot of Are You Being Served?, Inman played the camp Mr. Humphries in the sitcom from 1972 to 1985. This role made him a household name and won him awards, including BBC TV Personality of the Year. In his later years, John Inman became a well known pantomime dame. He died of hepatitis in 2007 aged 71. So no - he's dead!  | |||
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" so you are free enough?
I'm free.....On a tangent - is John Inman still alive??"He died in 2007, so he is free | |||
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