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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Protest votes or permanent change in British politics?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think a case of anyone but lib dem or tory. Labour have bi credibility so Ukip get the vote. People will go back to their TRUE colours on election day no doubt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think ukip is a true capture of today's people

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Protest vote, if you really quiz your average UKIP canvasser on serious issues they tend not to have the answers.....

Probably because Farage has failed to tell his ground troops the facts around his rhetoric.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ppl are sick of the same old lies from the main parties so are choosing ukip but in all honesty no party deserves anyones vote

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick

"ppl are sick of the same old lies from the main parties so are choosing ukip but in all honesty no party deserves anyones vote

This is the correct answer.

I really hope that 'none of the above' becomes an option on UK ballot forms as it would encourage me to register a vote.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Maybe single issue parties are the new politics. Scrap party-led government and have a government run in parts. Vote for lots of parties and the ones with the most lead on the department that covers their single issue.

It will be interesting to see if UKIP develop some policies now, ready to hold the king-maker role in 2015.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country."

Sorry. I've only been over the bridge five times this year!

Won't happen again!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country."

How?.....the vast majority of immigrants from outside the EU are now themselves British citizens.

UKIP talk a good game, the truth is they will be relatively toothless in many of their ideas.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country."

Define "us".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country."

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Neither. They're a fad, like the Referendum party. In 4 years they'll be what the Lib Dems are now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Neither. They're a fad, like the Referendum party. In 4 years they'll be what the Lib Dems are now.

You really believe they will be running the country then ????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would be happy with anyone that actually acts on what they promise!!!!

Time for someone new...a mover and a shaker.

Maybe we could have a new show like britians got talent to find the next leader. Britains still has some balls lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country."

I'm a foreigner, went to Uni in Wales and live in England. Run a small business (for 20 years now) where would you like me to go exactly? My kids were born here and go to primary school, their mum is British so do they stay here with her or come home to Canada with me? Answers on a postcard! UKIP are a party based on dislike of something, they've got no substance and most candidates are vacuous . In fact the statement you've made reinforces that vacuousness, all soundbite and no substance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

fed up hearing the shouting n swearing at each other at question time

its pathetic

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"fed up hearing the shouting n swearing at each other at question time

its pathetic"

?.....would that be PM's questions or BBC Question Time?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Neither. They're a fad, like the Referendum party. In 4 years they'll be what the Lib Dems are now.

You really believe they will be running the country then ????"

Lib Dems aren't even close to running the country. They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made, then get sidelined at every policy meeting and vote. They fucked up, and now, hopefully, they're getting showed how badly they fucked up.

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By *nfieldishCouple
over a year ago

Enfield

"ppl are sick of the same old lies from the main parties so are choosing ukip but in all honesty no party deserves anyones vote

This is the correct answer.

I really hope that 'none of the above' becomes an option on UK ballot forms as it would encourage me to register a vote."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made, "

Sounds like any of the other parties then.

When was the last time a government kept to its manifesto ?????

They may not be perfect but they are making some very big waves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fed up hearing the shouting n swearing at each other at question time

its pathetic

?.....would that be PM's questions or BBC Question Time?"
pm questions its shocking - think i shall become an mp myself

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made,

Sounds like any of the other parties then.

When was the last time a government kept to its manifesto ?????

They may not be perfect but they are making some very big waves."

1997 New Labour.....probably kept more pledges than any modern government since the second world war.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made,

Sounds like any of the other parties then.

When was the last time a government kept to its manifesto ?????

They may not be perfect but they are making some very big waves.

1997 New Labour.....probably kept more pledges than any modern government since the second world war."

Kept more ?? isnt quite the same as sticking to your promises though.

In any other field they would be sacked for breach of contract.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All ukip say is immigration and europe. Strip it down and there is little else. On europe their limit of 50k a year is now under review so god knows what figure will be next. Yes immigration is a concern but do not forget we have folk that emigrate too.

On europe they delude themselves and others in that we blame everything thats wrong on europe truth is there is not great difference between what we get out of europe as in funding for projects here. We have a rebate which is substantial so not all about europe is bad.

We are no longer living in a world where we are a major player despite what government think or say. The little englanders need to get to grips the world has and will continue to evolve either you keep up with or fall by the wayside.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made,

Sounds like any of the other parties then.

When was the last time a government kept to its manifesto ?????

They may not be perfect but they are making some very big waves."

I don't think anyone who has been around the UK electoral system actually expects political parties to keep all of their promises, but the Lib Dems folded like tissue paper when their manifesto came into conflict with the Tory manifesto. Things like prescription charges, student loans and suchlike were tossed away as soon as they thought they could grasp some power.

We used to have a Lib Dem council in York. That's changed now because people are so pissed off with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think the UKIP vote was because people are pissed off with all 3 main parties.

Feather their own nest at any cost, and blame the other lot.

Same for all of them.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"Maybe single issue parties are the new politics. Scrap party-led government and have a government run in parts. Vote for lots of parties and the ones with the most lead on the department that covers their single issue.

It will be interesting to see if UKIP develop some policies now, ready to hold the king-maker role in 2015."

totally agree with you ,but labour are a bit short on policies at the moment and the Tories are changing week to week depending on the issue,the libs....seem to have gone stum on their support for europe (how opportunist is that)

I think ukip is a healthy reaction to politicions ,lieing ,cheating and displaying that they will defend anyone but the people who put them in power.

We may actually get that referendum promised by all parties previously,and although its difficult to say how a referendum would go ,at least our destiny would be in our own hands again, and the Democratization of the european ideal.

I love have a 4th party to shaft the tri-party system.

UKIP right place, right time, and a welcome knee in the bollocks for the main parties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Solution! ! More fun less politics! !

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It will be interesting to see if UKIP develop some policies now, ready to hold the king-maker role in 2015.

I think ukip is a healthy reaction to politicions ,lieing ,cheating and displaying that they will defend anyone but the people who put them in power.

I love have a 4th party to shaft the tri-party system.

UKIP right place, right time, and a welcome knee in the bollocks for the main parties.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Solution! ! More fun less politics! !

Im game if you are!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Im game if you are!

I am always game

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An interesting outcome I wonder if policies will be pinched by the other 3 parties.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Definitely UKIP for me. I want our democracy back. I want freedom of speech. I don't want Leveson. I don't want the govt telling me how to think - the govt is my servant not my master.

I want common law to be saved because it means that we are allowed to do whatever is not specifically banned. Napoleonic law means the opposite. We are freeborn and do not need our rulers to grant us freedom to do things. That freedom is inherent and inalienable.

I want internationalism, not supranatonalism. My vote must count. All our votes should count, not be disregarded by the new, bureaucratic ruling class.

It has to be UKIP

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Definitely UKIP for me. I want our democracy back. I want freedom of speech. I don't want Leveson. I don't want the govt telling me how to think - the govt is my servant not my master.

I want internationalism, not supranatonalism. My vote must count. All our votes should count, not be disregarded by the new, bureaucratic ruling class.

It has to be UKIP"

Dunno why, but I was thinking of Braveheart as I read that!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Definitely UKIP for me. I want our democracy back. I want freedom of speech. I don't want Leveson. I don't want the govt telling me how to think - the govt is my servant not my master.

I want internationalism, not supranatonalism. My vote must count. All our votes should count, not be disregarded by the new, bureaucratic ruling class.

It has to be UKIP

Dunno why, but I was thinking of Braveheart as I read that!

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That made me chuckle

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Definitely UKIP for me. I want our democracy back. I want freedom of speech. I don't want Leveson. I don't want the govt telling me how to think - the govt is my servant not my master.

I want internationalism, not supranatonalism. My vote must count. All our votes should count, not be disregarded by the new, bureaucratic ruling class.

It has to be UKIP

Dunno why, but I was thinking of Braveheart as I read that!

I was definitely hearing 'Land of Hope and Glory' when I was reading it.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

We UKIP voters are libertarians which is fundamental to our view of the relationship between the citizen and the state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely UKIP for me. I want our democracy back. I want freedom of speech. I don't want Leveson. I don't want the govt telling me how to think - the govt is my servant not my master.

I want internationalism, not supranatonalism. My vote must count. All our votes should count, not be disregarded by the new, bureaucratic ruling class.

It has to be UKIP"

That's hilarious! You want freedoms that have never existed and you want them replaced with things that currently exist.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Many freedoms have been eroded.

Did you know that you can be put in the cells because of somethig you say. The legal test is not whether what you said was offensive - but whether someone 'perceives' it as racist.

What better way is there for a tyrant - even a tuppeny hapenny politically correct tyrant - to silence someone.

Did you know that you can be sacked from some jobs if your opinions are deemed unacdceptable - like the old West German verufsverbot.

Is that hilarious to you? If it is, you value your autonomy very poorly - please don't rate mine the same.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"All ukip say is immigration and europe. Strip it down and there is little else. On europe their limit of 50k a year is now under review so god knows what figure will be next. Yes immigration is a concern but do not forget we have folk that emigrate too.

Your absolutely right about globilisation ,and the little Englander concept ,but the denial of a vote on Europe was and is still undemocratic.

Europe has never been a manifesto issue where the people could vote to express there will. Yet powers we borrow to the "in-power" parties has been given away at various points since 1972.

When a referendum was offered on the superstate,the parties actually slid out of their promises, even forcing the irish to have a second referendum because they didnt like the first result

(accompanied by open threats of economic sanctions),that for me showed how out of touch and undemocratic the Eurocrats are with regard to the superstate concept.

UKIP may be a one or two issue party ,but what juicy issues to stand on ,especially when with globilisation we are linking to a 350million population instead of a global one.

Besides I am sure in terms of trade Europe will accomodate us,after all Germany alone will not want to lose the 1.1 million cars sold in the UK every year, thats without the Italians and French.

I dont know the answer Re:Europe ,i havent made up my mind ,all i do know is I want a fucking vote ,for the sake of all the people who have died defending democracy ,for me UKIP is a means to an end.

PS) we contribute far more than we get out even with the 3.9 bn rebate we get back .

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Many freedoms have been eroded.

Did you know that you can be put in the cells because of somethig you say. The legal test is not whether what you said was offensive - but whether someone 'perceives' it as racist.

What better way is there for a tyrant - even a tuppeny hapenny politically correct tyrant - to silence someone.

Did you know that you can be sacked from some jobs if your opinions are deemed unacdceptable - like the old West German verufsverbot.

Is that hilarious to you? If it is, you value your autonomy very poorly - please don't rate mine the same."

Could you please elaborate a bit on the "Berufsverbot" (is that what you meant?) I am curious because I come from overthere and am really interested.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I dont know the answer Re:Europe ,i havent made up my mind ,all i do know is I want a fucking vote ,for the sake of all the people who have died defending democracy ,for me UKIP is a means to an end.

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I completely and utterly get that - wanting the right to vote!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Many freedoms have been eroded.

Did you know that you can be put in the cells because of somethig you say. The legal test is not whether what you said was offensive - but whether someone 'perceives' it as racist.

What better way is there for a tyrant - even a tuppeny hapenny politically correct tyrant - to silence someone.

Did you know that you can be sacked from some jobs if your opinions are deemed unacdceptable - like the old West German verufsverbot.

Is that hilarious to you? If it is, you value your autonomy very poorly - please don't rate mine the same."

Marvellous, give me some examples of those things happening when they've not happened before. Which point in time would you like to go back to? 1950's? When being homosexual was a criminal offence? Or perhaps when you could refuse to employ someone because they were catholic or black? Or you couldn't get a job due to being perceived as a Communist. Or you couldn't join some clubs if you were a woman? You hark back to a day which never existed. Freedom of press perhaps? When was that? DNotice anyone?

My autonomy is just fine thanks, the mental capacity act allows me freedoms beyond those ever granted before - the freedom to make my own decision even if they're unwise or strange, I have freedoms of movement that as a catholic I would never have had as a child, I can get access to my own records medical and otherwise that I couldn't before. Don't foist your false ideals onto my freedoms thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country."

And your country men planted in South Africa and other parts of the world...? Sure you'd either claim them back or let those countries claim their countries back

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Freedom of press perhaps? When was that? DNotice anyone?"

Aye, Churchill was going to shut down the Daily Mail during the war because he got upset with them. Reading Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain and Making of Modern Britain was very educational about the way things have changed, for better AND for worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would be happy with anyone that actually acts on what they promise!!!!

Time for someone new...a mover and a shaker.

Maybe we could have a new show like britians got talent to find the next leader. Britains still has some balls lol.

...ed balls at least

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Freedom of press perhaps? When was that? DNotice anyone?

I'd read that, just read Jeremy Paxman's "The Empire" is it similar to Andrew Marr's?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Freedom of press perhaps? When was that? DNotice anyone?

excellent books!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

Define "us"."

agreed..

also how would 'you' deal with it..

how far do 'you' want to go back in our history..

think you may need to elaborate somewhat..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Many freedoms have been eroded.

Did you know that you can be put in the cells because of somethig you say. The legal test is not whether what you said was offensive - but whether someone 'perceives' it as racist.

What better way is there for a tyrant - even a tuppeny hapenny politically correct tyrant - to silence someone.

Did you know that you can be sacked from some jobs if your opinions are deemed unacdceptable - like the old West German verufsverbot.

Is that hilarious to you? If it is, you value your autonomy very poorly - please don't rate mine the same."

Hate crime and its language is not only about 'being racist..

or what better way for the bigots to have to keep their views to themselves..?

as for ones opinions at work, why not just leave them at the door if you cant convey them in an unoffensive way..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

protest votes!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Many freedoms have been eroded.

Did you know that you can be put in the cells because of somethig you say. The legal test is not whether what you said was offensive - but whether someone 'perceives' it as racist.

What better way is there for a tyrant - even a tuppeny hapenny politically correct tyrant - to silence someone.

Did you know that you can be sacked from some jobs if your opinions are deemed unacdceptable - like the old West German verufsverbot.

Is that hilarious to you? If it is, you value your autonomy very poorly - please don't rate mine the same.

Hate crime and its language is not only about 'being racist..

or what better way for the bigots to have to keep their views to themselves..?

as for ones opinions at work, why not just leave them at the door if you cant convey them in an unoffensive way..?

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Actually I have asked the question as well. On here and via pm and I have not had a reply.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Freedom of press perhaps? When was that? DNotice anyone?

I'd read that, just read Jeremy Paxman's "The Empire" is it similar to Andrew Marr's?"

Dunno. Not read that one. Although I highly recommend Paxman's Political Animal and The English. In fact I reckon most of the political pundits who post on here should read all 4 books.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely UKIP for me. I want our democracy back. I want freedom of speech. I don't want Leveson. I don't want the govt telling me how to think - the govt is my servant not my master.

I want internationalism, not supranatonalism. My vote must count. All our votes should count, not be disregarded by the new, bureaucratic ruling class.

It has to be UKIP"

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Many freedoms have been eroded.

Did you know that you can be put in the cells because of somethig you say. The legal test is not whether what you said was offensive - but whether someone 'perceives' it as racist.

What better way is there for a tyrant - even a tuppeny hapenny politically correct tyrant - to silence someone.

Did you know that you can be sacked from some jobs if your opinions are deemed unacdceptable - like the old West German verufsverbot.

Is that hilarious to you? If it is, you value your autonomy very poorly - please don't rate mine the same.

Hate crime and its language is not only about 'being racist..

or what better way for the bigots to have to keep their views to themselves..?

as for ones opinions at work, why not just leave them at the door if you cant convey them in an unoffensive way..?

Actually I have asked the question as well. On here and via pm and I have not had a reply. "

it never ceases to make me go

when people think 'their rights' are being eroded and the country's gone to the dogs because they cant speak in a manner that is possibly going to be offensive..

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

Don't underestimate the damage UKIP could do to the major parties at a general election. They won't win many, if any seats, but they will split the vote in key marginals that the major parties need to win in order to get a majority.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Don't underestimate the damage UKIP could do to the major parties at a general election. They won't win many, if any seats, but they will split the vote in key marginals that the major parties need to win in order to get a majority.

they will if anything make the Tory and Labour parties look at themselves..

will Cameron move to the right to recapture the UKIP vote, who knows..?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made,

Sounds like any of the other parties then.

When was the last time a government kept to its manifesto ?????

They may not be perfect but they are making some very big waves.

1997 New Labour.....probably kept more pledges than any modern government since the second world war.

Kept more ?? isnt quite the same as sticking to your promises though.

In any other field they would be sacked for breach of contract."

Lets start with these 12 1997 manifesto pledges then....

1.Devolution for Wales and Scotland with their own parliaments and law making powers

2.Reform of the House of Lords

3.Working to bring the Olympics to Britain

4.Major London Underground improvements and investment

5.Minimum Income Guarantee for pensioners

6.Decentralisation of the Crown Prosecution Service

7.More frontline Police Officers

8.Firearms Amendment Act

9.Real Terms rise in NHS spending

10.Cut NHS waiting lists

11.National Minimum Wage

12.Working Family Tax Credits

Twist it how you like....all 1997 pledges that were delivered

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

In the lead up to the 2015 General Election Cameron will take up UKIP's two main policies....it would be foolish to assume that UKIP have damaged the Tories, when in fact they have just been keeping the policies bed warm for Cameron and co.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

SurreySEnsual and Aphrodite - who defines what is 'offensive'?

You? Me? What right do you or I have to tell other people what they can and can't say?

If you can't say something, you can't discuss that thing with other people. That stops the free exchange of ideas.

There is a very authoritarian mood around. You both typify and defend it.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Funny how its nearly always white men who are most vocal about defending their rights to say what they want.

Almost like they've had no actual experience of discrimination or understanding of why its important to fight it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We need to get rid of career politicians

If you have never worked in the real world , what do you know about life

Why should you make the decisions about say transport decisions if you have. Never worked in that industry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"SurreySEnsual and Aphrodite - who defines what is 'offensive'?

You? Me? What right do you or I have to tell other people what they can and can't say?

If you can't say something, you can't discuss that thing with other people. That stops the free exchange of ideas.

There is a very authoritarian mood around. You both typify and defend it."

err the offended person who is of the perception that they have been offended..

not talking about banter..

i have every right as do you to say to someone 'i find that offensive'..

thats a cop out to say one cant discuss with other people, its the usual tired cliche which is rolled out by folk who want the right to have free speech but not be responsible for what they say..

authoritarian, please thats just cobblers..

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

You are half way there Surrey Sensual as you recognise that it is merely the 'perception' of offence that carries legal weight.

It is a logical absurditity.

You can silence people - and use the police to do so - simply by saying that you are 'offended'.

And if people, therefeore, can't say what they think for fear of the thought police, then how can ideas be exchanged?

How can society advance?

You are highly authoritarian.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"thats a cop out to say one cant discuss with other people, its the usual tired cliche which is rolled out by folk who want the right to have free speech but not be responsible for what they say..

authoritarian, please thats just cobblers..

Absolutely.

By the logic of these people, its authoritarian that we can't go around punching who we like in the face.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"You are half way there Surrey Sensual as you recognise that it is merely the 'perception' of offence that carries legal weight.

It is a logical absurditity.

You can silence people - and use the police to do so - simply by saying that you are 'offended'.

And if people, therefeore, can't say what they think for fear of the thought police, then how can ideas be exchanged?

How can society advance?

You are highly authoritarian."

Please, give me some examples of ideas that can help society advance, but that the 'thought police' would not allow?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about lands which "british" folk raped, pillaged and took over? Australia? America?

There is a saying that goes "what goes around, comes around"

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By *xodussxMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Politicians, politicians, politicians....They are all same.

They talk more than acting.

For those who want to " claim back " their great country, feel free to have it back....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"You are half way there Surrey Sensual as you recognise that it is merely the 'perception' of offence that carries legal weight.

It is a logical absurditity.

You can silence people - and use the police to do so - simply by saying that you are 'offended'.

And if people, therefeore, can't say what they think for fear of the thought police, then how can ideas be exchanged?

How can society advance?

You are highly authoritarian."

in your world that perception carries no weight then..?

this must be the end of all free thinking and human advancement then..?

yeh right..

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made,

Sounds like any of the other parties then.

When was the last time a government kept to its manifesto ?????

They may not be perfect but they are making some very big waves.

1997 New Labour.....probably kept more pledges than any modern government since the second world war.

Kept more ?? isnt quite the same as sticking to your promises though.

In any other field they would be sacked for breach of contract.

Lets start with these 12 1997 manifesto pledges then....

1.Devolution for Wales and Scotland with their own parliaments and law making powers

2.Reform of the House of Lords

3.Working to bring the Olympics to Britain

4.Major London Underground improvements and investment

5.Minimum Income Guarantee for pensioners

6.Decentralisation of the Crown Prosecution Service

7.More frontline Police Officers

8.Firearms Amendment Act

9.Real Terms rise in NHS spending

10.Cut NHS waiting lists

11.National Minimum Wage

12.Working Family Tax Credits

Twist it how you like....all 1997 pledges that were delivered"

the last labour government were really good for britain,had gordon brown been as competent a party leader,as he was chancelor,labour would still be in power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made,

Sounds like any of the other parties then.

When was the last time a government kept to its manifesto ?????

They may not be perfect but they are making some very big waves.

1997 New Labour.....probably kept more pledges than any modern government since the second world war.

Kept more ?? isnt quite the same as sticking to your promises though.

In any other field they would be sacked for breach of contract.

Lets start with these 12 1997 manifesto pledges then....

1.Devolution for Wales and Scotland with their own parliaments and law making powers

2.Reform of the House of Lords

3.Working to bring the Olympics to Britain

4.Major London Underground improvements and investment

5.Minimum Income Guarantee for pensioners

6.Decentralisation of the Crown Prosecution Service

7.More frontline Police Officers

8.Firearms Amendment Act

9.Real Terms rise in NHS spending

10.Cut NHS waiting lists

11.National Minimum Wage

12.Working Family Tax Credits

Twist it how you like....all 1997 pledges that were delivered

the last labour government were really good for britain,had gordon brown been as competent a party leader,as he was chancelor,labour would still be in power.

Agreed, john prescott wouldve been better in my opinion...

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

TheTalkingStove - an example is very easy.

If you criticise religion, you can be arrested. That is because some people say that criticism of religion is code for criticism of a race.

What about the man who was arrested for asking a police officer if his horse was gay?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You are half way there Surrey Sensual as you recognise that it is merely the 'perception' of offence that carries legal weight.

It is a logical absurditity.

You can silence people - and use the police to do so - simply by saying that you are 'offended'.

And if people, therefeore, can't say what they think for fear of the thought police, then how can ideas be exchanged?

How can society advance?

You are highly authoritarian."

I'm sorry what?

You believe that people can be "silenced" by claiming simply they've been offended! Care to back that up with an actual legal example where what you claim

Has

Actually happened not hearsay or gossip!

Thought police? Methinks your tin hat is slipping...

If you're talking about perception of threat then that's been in force since 1861 under the offences against the person act.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"TheTalkingStove - an example is very easy.

If you criticise religion, you can be arrested. That is because some people say that criticism of religion is code for criticism of a race.

What about the man who was arrested for asking a police officer if his horse was gay?"

Those are not examples, they are from news articles. An example is an actual legal case where the person was successfully prosecuted. Incitement to hatred is not criticism.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

They are true.

Try this one: Peter Tatchell and members of the LGBT group Outrage! were arrested and charged under Section 5 for shouting slogans and displaying placards that condemned the persecution of LGBT people by Islamic governments. They were campaigning against a rally led by the fundamentalist Muslim group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, who called for the killing of gay people, apostates, Jews and unchaste women. The placards held up by Outrage! were deemed by police to be insulting and likely to cause distress.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"TheTalkingStove - an example is very easy.

If you criticise religion, you can be arrested. That is because some people say that criticism of religion is code for criticism of a race.

What about the man who was arrested for asking a police officer if his horse was gay?"

can you give one example, factual of where someone has been arrested for criticising religion..

and what outcome ?

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

Freedom is an illusion

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

What about the Peter Tatchell case and Hizb-ut-tahrir?

What do you have to say about that?

What about the police horse case? It wasn't about religion. It was deemed to be homophobic - but the principle is the same.

Tell me how these laws aren't oppressive?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No religion, no war

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about the Peter Tatchell case and Hizb-ut-tahrir?

What do you have to say about that?

What about the police horse case? It wasn't about religion. It was deemed to be homophobic - but the principle is the same.

Tell me how these laws aren't oppressive?"

And they were sucesfully prosecuted were they? Being arrested doesn't mean anything the legal case is in court

The gay horse thing was dropped in July 2006, almost 7 years ago. Please don't tell me all your arguments are based on cases that never took place?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about the Peter Tatchell case and Hizb-ut-tahrir?

What do you have to say about that?

What about the police horse case? It wasn't about religion. It was deemed to be homophobic - but the principle is the same.

Tell me how these laws aren't oppressive?

And they were sucesfully prosecuted were they? Being arrested doesn't mean anything the legal case is in court

The gay horse thing was dropped in July 2006, almost 7 years ago. Please don't tell me all your arguments are based on cases that never took place? "

"dont believe the hype!" media hype that is....

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

The police are bringing lots of cases:

Hotel owners were charged (although later acquitted) following a religious discussion with a Muslim guest.

Try the following: the case of a preacher who had walked the streets of Bournemouth with a sign displaying the words “Stop Immorality" - successfully prosecuted.

Wake up!

It's your country!

We're all freeborn and no-one should have the right to tell us what we can and can't say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about the Peter Tatchell case and Hizb-ut-tahrir?

What do you have to say about that?

What about the police horse case? It wasn't about religion. It was deemed to be homophobic - but the principle is the same.

Tell me how these laws aren't oppressive?

And they were sucesfully prosecuted were they? Being arrested doesn't mean anything the legal case is in court

The gay horse thing was dropped in July 2006, almost 7 years ago. Please don't tell me all your arguments are based on cases that never took place? "

Try reading up on the 1986 public order act. Thats LAW!! Now, whether the cps will prosecute or not, is usually because of being in the public interest or not. BUT, you will STILL get arrested for it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The police are bringing lots of cases:

Hotel owners were charged (although later acquitted) following a religious discussion with a Muslim guest.

Try the following: the case of a preacher who had walked the streets of Bournemouth with a sign displaying the words “Stop Immorality" - successfully prosecuted.

Wake up!

It's your country!

We're all freeborn and no-one should have the right to tell us what we can and can't say."

If we are free, why do people feel the need to tell others where they can n cant stay?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The police are bringing lots of cases:

Hotel owners were charged (although later acquitted) following a religious discussion with a Muslim guest.

Try the following: the case of a preacher who had walked the streets of Bournemouth with a sign displaying the words “Stop Immorality" - successfully prosecuted.

Wake up!

It's your country!

We're all freeborn and no-one should have the right to tell us what we can and can't say.

If we are free, why do people feel the need to tell others where they can n cant stay?"

Maybe because people 'feel' that the system is being abused! I have no qualms whatsoever with other people coming to this country and benefitting their lives! IF, they are a benefit to the country at the same time! I.E. Not just over here claiming benefits and council houses!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The police are bringing lots of cases:

Hotel owners were charged (although later acquitted) following a religious discussion with a Muslim guest.

Try the following: the case of a preacher who had walked the streets of Bournemouth with a sign displaying the words “Stop Immorality" - successfully prosecuted.

Wake up!

It's your country!

We're all freeborn and no-one should have the right to tell us what we can and can't say.

If we are free, why do people feel the need to tell others where they can n cant stay?

How do u think red indians in america and aboriginies in australia felt when brits turned up in their lands and basically took over? What goes around comes around

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The police are bringing lots of cases:

Hotel owners were charged (although later acquitted) following a religious discussion with a Muslim guest.

Try the following: the case of a preacher who had walked the streets of Bournemouth with a sign displaying the words “Stop Immorality" - successfully prosecuted.

Wake up!

It's your country!

We're all freeborn and no-one should have the right to tell us what we can and can't say.

If we are free, why do people feel the need to tell others where they can n cant stay?

How do u think red indians in america and aboriginies in australia felt when brits turned up in their lands and basically took over? What goes around comes around"

At least THEY got strings of bright beads! All we get are anal beads!

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

ReggaeBoy - what on earth are you on about?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont know anything about politics but all honestly if people hate all of them and only end up voting because they hate one more than the other, why is there no one out there creating a new party, one that people can actually get behind, yes i understand a lot of money involved but surely the person with right ideas, and what people want would push them to the top anyway.

Then again its all corrupt, the rich get in, set their own rules to suit them

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By *xodussxMan
over a year ago

sheffield

"ReggaeBoy - what on earth are you on about?

I was just about to ask the same....

We are talking actual politic R-Boy....Forget the past, nobody in africa is planning to take over england or uk or any other country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ReggaeBoy - what on earth are you on about?

I was just about to ask the same....

We are talking actual politic R-Boy....Forget the past, nobody in africa is planning to take over england or uk or any other country

Im sorry, what do muslims hotel guests and gay horses have to do with politics exactly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ReggaeBoy - what on earth are you on about?

I was just about to ask the same....

We are talking actual politic R-Boy....Forget the past, nobody in africa is planning to take over england or uk or any other country

Im sorry, what do muslims hotel guests and gay horses have to do with politics exactly?"

I'm guessing you ain't seen a polititions hotel bill after a night out then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ReggaeBoy - what on earth are you on about?

I was just about to ask the same....

We are talking actual politic R-Boy....Forget the past, nobody in africa is planning to take over england or uk or any other country

Im sorry, what do muslims hotel guests and gay horses have to do with politics exactly?

I'm guessing you ain't seen a polititions hotel bill after a night out then?

And im thinking if we're having a debate about Politicians, atleast learn to get the spelling of the main subject right!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ReggaeBoy - what on earth are you on about?

I was just about to ask the same....

We are talking actual politic R-Boy....Forget the past, nobody in africa is planning to take over england or uk or any other country

Im sorry, what do muslims hotel guests and gay horses have to do with politics exactly?

I'm guessing you ain't seen a polititions hotel bill after a night out then?

And im thinking if we're having a debate about Politicians, atleast learn to get the spelling of the main subject right!?"

Aaah, excuse me for having a few beers on a friday night! And heres me thinking we were discussing cowboys and indians! My mistake!

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Ive removed posts - please use a bit of common sense about what you post in a public forum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe we should have a parliment made up of fab forum memebers what a world it woukd be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Bretons, now known as the Welsh and Cornish, were conquered by the Romans and then the Saxons, Angles and Jutes from Germany and Denmark and pushed into Wales and West Coast. The Anglish, meaning those from Angle, they were conquered by the Normans who became nobility running the Serfs.

So who are the immigrants, anyone who can't speak Welsh it would seem ... I am English by the way.

Oh, the English then went on to conquer most of the world, as they were formed by conquering nations so knew how to do it ... So all but the Polish are likely to be British citizens anyway.

Read the manifesto of Lab, Lib, Cons and Ukip and understand what they all really think rather than what the media tell you ... Its rather scary in all camps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well things ain't what they used to be! Empire has long gone. Political issues all in the same melting pot! Once it was a yearning to do public service, but how much does an MP earn? Pension and redundancy payments? How many in parliament? How many fiddling expenses? Lab, Con, Libs & Ukip all found fiddling so nothing new! What's in it for me has take over-thank god we're leaving. Hope the Front Nationale don't get in or we'll be kicked out. To be honest sadly they all are in the same trough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We need a government that looks after the natives, stands up to the EU and if all these people are entitled to our money why do we not get the same in their country?

Politics or self-service?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made,

Sounds like any of the other parties then.

When was the last time a government kept to its manifesto ?????

They may not be perfect but they are making some very big waves.

1997 New Labour.....probably kept more pledges than any modern government since the second world war.

Kept more ?? isnt quite the same as sticking to your promises though.

In any other field they would be sacked for breach of contract.

Lets start with these 12 1997 manifesto pledges then....

1.Devolution for Wales and Scotland with their own parliaments and law making powers

2.Reform of the House of Lords

3.Working to bring the Olympics to Britain

4.Major London Underground improvements and investment

5.Minimum Income Guarantee for pensioners

6.Decentralisation of the Crown Prosecution Service

7.More frontline Police Officers

8.Firearms Amendment Act

9.Real Terms rise in NHS spending

10.Cut NHS waiting lists

11.National Minimum Wage

12.Working Family Tax Credits

Twist it how you like....all 1997 pledges that were delivered

the last labour government were really good for britain,had gordon brown been as competent a party leader,as he was chancelor,labour would still be in power.

Time for a McEnroe moment.

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have a Hung-Parliament in the first instance, that means we generally could not decide.

Now we have a new idea mixing it amongst the half assed parliament, brought about by new younger voters who thought it would be as fun as a vote on the X factor,, its not fun though is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly...the UK is in a similar position to 1930's Germany.... so a character comes forward who connects with what the people are thinking...They had Adolf...we have Nigel. This way a Town called Ramsey has been UKip since the last County election and has now been Fully UKip for Town and District councillors too.

The leader cleans the loos, now reopened by them, free car parking, Council Tax for the town precept is down where the rest of the former Tory county UP for the 2nd year running. They also have provided a mini bus for the elderly (which the Tories cut).

With that in mind you can understand why they are liked with the socialist outlook for the people....but will it play out nationally the same?

The other reason people voted the way they did is the First Past The Post voting system. Sadly the AV system was comprehensively smeared and the referendum ended up with a NO vote.

I expect the parties which smeared the process are wishing it was a yes vote as the protest vote was really a tactical vote. This way we have Tories...they have rundown the area over 30+ years and people were fed up, since 2010 they have been hit harder...so that is where you get your tactic vote, where many would support Labour....but due to Labour's performance here....they voted UKip instead to kick out the local tories...and that is what happened....

Will UKip progress....next years EU elections...probably....2015 General election probably not.... The parties should try to get the 65% who don't ever vote to go and vote....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made,

Sounds like any of the other parties then.

When was the last time a government kept to its manifesto ?????

They may not be perfect but they are making some very big waves.

1997 New Labour.....probably kept more pledges than any modern government since the second world war.

Kept more ?? isnt quite the same as sticking to your promises though.

In any other field they would be sacked for breach of contract.

Lets start with these 12 1997 manifesto pledges then....

1.Devolution for Wales and Scotland with their own parliaments and law making powers

2.Reform of the House of Lords

3.Working to bring the Olympics to Britain

4.Major London Underground improvements and investment

5.Minimum Income Guarantee for pensioners

6.Decentralisation of the Crown Prosecution Service

7.More frontline Police Officers

8.Firearms Amendment Act

9.Real Terms rise in NHS spending

10.Cut NHS waiting lists

11.National Minimum Wage

12.Working Family Tax Credits

Twist it how you like....all 1997 pledges that were delivered

the last labour government were really good for britain,had gordon brown been as competent a party leader,as he was chancelor,labour would still be in power.

Time for a McEnroe moment.

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

I think they were. Just when you think you have read everything on here, another load of bollocks appears. Brown as .Chancellor bankrupted the UK. As PM he was inept to say the least!

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country."

You do realise that immigration problem keeps the NHS running... and I don't mean cleaning staff and cheap catering.

We don't have enough GP's, Dentists, Pharmacists and so on qualifying each year.

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By *nnebellWoman
over a year ago

somewhere

After reading most of whats written on this post I had to go back and check the OP. How far off track did the post go........ Politics but for the very few has nerver been about altruism, it has for the majority been a calculated, profitable career.

Talking about imagration, I for one can identify various IMAGRANT nationalities in my family tree, just in the last 150 years.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"After reading most of whats written on this post I had to go back and check the OP. How far off track did the post go........ Politics but for the very few has nerver been about altruism, it has for the majority been a calculated, profitable career.

Talking about imagration, I for one can identify various IMAGRANT nationalities in my family tree, just in the last 150 years.

Subjects never stay on track on here. I use the forums to wheddle out nutters I dont want to meet!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it just goes to show how pissed off people are of going round and round in circles with the 3 main parties - and getting absolutely no place fast.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

You do realise that immigration problem keeps the NHS running... and I don't mean cleaning staff and cheap catering.

We don't have enough GP's, Dentists, Pharmacists and so on qualifying each year.

What you say is quite true, however the reality is very different.

We will always ( well at least until the education system starts educating kids rather than pandering to trendy ideas and political dogma ) need to import highly skilled people, but we certainly don't need to import manual labour while we have an army of kids on the dole, and that is what IS happening.

As for UKIP. It is no secret that they are short on policies (Labour haven't exactly got a bucket full either) but they have certainly rattled a few cages.

What they do stand for, lower taxes, the return of Grammar schools, and withdrawal from the ECHU are a pretty good start in my view. I'm not 100% (only 99%) with them on a full withdrawal from the EU. I would prefer to see the whole rotten edifice ripped apart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

apparently, after a quick google, we put 118 Billion pounds into the EU last year. Last year the UK borrowed 120Billion pounds, makes sense to leave the EU

The freeze on immigrants coming over here without a job, or with no intention of getting a job and just go on benefits, would probably make you your other 2Billion

Wouldn't that be the UK recession solved? Or do i know too little about UK economy

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over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

You do realise that immigration problem keeps the NHS running... and I don't mean cleaning staff and cheap catering.

We don't have enough GP's, Dentists, Pharmacists and so on qualifying each year.

What you say is quite true, however the reality is very different.

As for UKIP. It is no secret that they are short on policies (Labour haven't exactly got a bucket full either) but they have certainly rattled a few cages.

Yep, that's about where I stand on UKIP. The 'mainstream' parties have consistently withheld the truth about the ultimate aim of European integration for at least the last 40 years - the same period that the UK has been a member. Why? What, exactly, is the ultimate aim of the EU? Full economic, social and sovereign integration on a federal basis - including one language??? That is NOT what I want. Norway and Switzerland show that you can have a beneficial relationship with the EU and still have a bouyant home economy.

As for immigration, when are we going to get away from the insidious link made by the left many years ago between immigration and racism. They are two completely different things. Every country on this planet (all the time we have 200+ countries of course) needs to have a workable, fair and acceptable policy primarily to protect the interests of those already living and working in that country, whether they be born there or just working on a temporary work visa. Anyone who thinks we have had an Immigration Policy that meets those requirements at ANY time in the last 50-60 years knows NOTHING about how our pathetic immigration 'system' works - I worked at the Home Office and have seen it first hand. It needs tightening up HUGELY. That is what UKIP want to do - they do NOT want anyone who is an immigrant living here feeling threatened - UKIP is NOT the BNP,EDL or anything else which is an affront to the British sense of fair play (an old concept, but one which still exists) and I do not see where the British population would stand for any such policy. If it did, we would have had a National Front government years ago.

As for UKIP's other policies (which those who have most to lose from their success deride as 'non-existent'), I am all for the mass re-introduction of Grammar Schools. Our children have been done a dis-service by the educational idealists for far too long. Every child in our schools should be entitled to an education which meets their needs - whether they be highly intelligent/gifted or have differing needs which require something out of the mainstream. Those who ARE at the top intellectually have a duty to use that intellect to the benefit of others as they go through life. How the hell does anyone think they are going to do that if they are stifled in a Comprehensive or Academy where everything is done at the level of the average student??? What we will - no, HAVE ended up with is a nation of average students with a lack of initiative and the motivation of a snail. All this to satisfy the upper-middle class guilt of the idealists.

NHS - UKIP has stated that they will leave the NHS largely intact, except for devolving control down more to a local level.

I could go on, but I rather feel I am boring everyone already.

I don't agree with everything UKIP stands for, but when I voted Conservative, Labour and Liberal (have done for all of them over the years) I didn't agree with all their policies either - you will never find Utopia in a single manifesto. But when I, as the average bloke in the street, feel that parties who I trusted with my vote - something I prize VERY highly - have taken it for their own ends, then turned around and shown me and the rest of the population what amounts to contempt, what do they expect?

Am I really going to sit back and let it continue? No. UKIP has ridden a wave on discontent among the electorate, that is undeniable, and now it will be down to them to show they can get their act together fully and demonstrate they are a party which has a viable alternative to what has gone before. Whether they can do that remains to be seen but, for now, they offer a set of alternatives on a number of issues which matter to ME.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

You do realise that immigration problem keeps the NHS running... and I don't mean cleaning staff and cheap catering.

We don't have enough GP's, Dentists, Pharmacists and so on qualifying each year.

What you say is quite true, however the reality is very different.

As for UKIP. It is no secret that they are short on policies (Labour haven't exactly got a bucket full either) but they have certainly rattled a few cages.

NHS - UKIP has stated that they will leave the NHS largely intact, except for devolving control down more to a local level.

I could go on, but I rather feel I am boring everyone already.

Absolutely SPOT ON.

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over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

You do realise that immigration problem keeps the NHS running... and I don't mean cleaning staff and cheap catering.

We don't have enough GP's, Dentists, Pharmacists and so on qualifying each year.

What you say is quite true, however the reality is very different.

As for UKIP. It is no secret that they are short on policies (Labour haven't exactly got a bucket full either) but they have certainly rattled a few cages.

NHS - UKIP has stated that they will leave the NHS largely intact, except for devolving control down more to a local level.

I could go on, but I rather feel I am boring everyone already.

Absolutely SPOT ON.

Very well said .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

Ive not really looked into UKIP being pretty unpolitically interested...

I think things are always ok if being white and not from any eastern european country..but then again...once they get rid of a few groups they would be targeting others anyway

pile of pish if u ask me..

and yes lets reclaim Great Britain back..ridiculous statement if I've ever heard one..if some had their way we would have a wall to the stratosphere and be inbreeding fuckwits in time

I base my calculations on progressive society and science...I know there are problems with no easy solutions..unfortunately immigration appears to be such an easy issue for those with biased views regardless of economy and world relations!

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over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

Ive not really looked into UKIP being pretty unpolitically interested...

I think things are always ok if being white and not from any eastern european country..but then again...once they get rid of a few groups they would be targeting others anyway

pile of pish if u ask me..

and yes lets reclaim Great Britain back..ridiculous statement if I've ever heard one..if some had their way we would have a wall to the stratosphere and be inbreeding fuckwits in time

What an uninteresting statement .

A product of the way society is supposed to think methinks .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

Ive not really looked into UKIP being pretty unpolitically interested...

I think things are always ok if being white and not from any eastern european country..but then again...once they get rid of a few groups they would be targeting others anyway

pile of pish if u ask me..

and yes lets reclaim Great Britain back..ridiculous statement if I've ever heard one..if some had their way we would have a wall to the stratosphere and be inbreeding fuckwits in time

What an uninteresting statement .

A product of the way society is supposed to think methinks ."

thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

Ive not really looked into UKIP being pretty unpolitically interested...

I think things are always ok if being white and not from any eastern european country..but then again...once they get rid of a few groups they would be targeting others anyway

pile of pish if u ask me..

and yes lets reclaim Great Britain back..ridiculous statement if I've ever heard one..if some had their way we would have a wall to the stratosphere and be inbreeding fuckwits in time

very interesting....but i have to ask is that why scotland wants ro be indipendent because of the problems in great britian?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

Ive not really looked into UKIP being pretty unpolitically interested...

I think things are always ok if being white and not from any eastern european country..but then again...once they get rid of a few groups they would be targeting others anyway

pile of pish if u ask me..

and yes lets reclaim Great Britain back..ridiculous statement if I've ever heard one..if some had their way we would have a wall to the stratosphere and be inbreeding fuckwits in time

very interesting....but i have to ask is that why scotland wants ro be indipendent because of the problems in great britian?"

scotland wants to be independent basically because of braveheart and thatcher lol

I'm very proud of scotland and being scottish(regardless of not being fully scottish)..but i dont mix up false patriotism and the realities of modern living

I admit i hate being looked on (on view) as a foreigner , I cant imagine what it is like actually being one..and of course..thats depending on what part of the world u come from or heritages

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"They made a deal which involved them breaking every election promise they made,

Sounds like any of the other parties then.

When was the last time a government kept to its manifesto ?????

They may not be perfect but they are making some very big waves.

1997 New Labour.....probably kept more pledges than any modern government since the second world war.

Kept more ?? isnt quite the same as sticking to your promises though.

In any other field they would be sacked for breach of contract.

Lets start with these 12 1997 manifesto pledges then....

1.Devolution for Wales and Scotland with their own parliaments and law making powers

2.Reform of the House of Lords

3.Working to bring the Olympics to Britain

4.Major London Underground improvements and investment

5.Minimum Income Guarantee for pensioners

6.Decentralisation of the Crown Prosecution Service

7.More frontline Police Officers

8.Firearms Amendment Act

9.Real Terms rise in NHS spending

10.Cut NHS waiting lists

11.National Minimum Wage

12.Working Family Tax Credits

Twist it how you like....all 1997 pledges that were delivered

the last labour government were really good for britain,had gordon brown been as competent a party leader,as he was chancellor,labour would still be in power.

Time for a McEnroe moment.

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

I think they were. Just when you think you have read everything on here, another load of bollocks appears. Brown as .Chancellor bankrupted the UK. As PM he was inept to say the least!"

ben it always amazes me,when the world wide recession comes up,seemingly intelligent,reasonable people like yourself,lose all sense of rational thought,and logic.

the world wide recession,was WORLD WIDE (why do some find that so hard to comprehend),

to lay the blame at the last labour governments door,now that is bollox.

in fact,the last labour government left the country in a favourable position,by comparison with most other developed countries.

i better say it again,see if it helps, the recession was

WORLD WIDE!!!!.

on immigration,all talk of immigration control is not racist.

immigration is an ever evolving situation,so immigration law must also be ever evolving.

remembering that everyone wants a better life,for themselves,and their families.if moving to the uk gives them that better life,why shouldn't they,if the shoe were on the other foot,

wouldn't you or i.

also remembering,that the vast majority of people who consider themselves purely british,have a wee bit of that johnny foreigner dna lurking within.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Protest votes or permanent change in British politics?"

ukip will always get votes to get us out of europe simples,,we just hope the major parties learn a lesson from this!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"apparently, after a quick google, we put 118 Billion pounds into the EU last year. Last year the UK borrowed 120Billion pounds, makes sense to leave the EU

The freeze on immigrants coming over here without a job, or with no intention of getting a job and just go on benefits, would probably make you your other 2Billion

Wouldn't that be the UK recession solved? Or do i know too little about UK economy"

£118 Billion?.......close, actually the net UK contribution to the EU in 2011 was £11.9 Billion.....

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Many freedoms have been eroded.

Did you know that you can be put in the cells because of somethig you say. The legal test is not whether what you said was offensive - but whether someone 'perceives' it as racist.

What better way is there for a tyrant - even a tuppeny hapenny politically correct tyrant - to silence someone.

Did you know that you can be sacked from some jobs if your opinions are deemed unacdceptable - like the old West German verufsverbot.

Is that hilarious to you? If it is, you value your autonomy very poorly - please don't rate mine the same.

Hate crime and its language is not only about 'being racist..

or what better way for the bigots to have to keep their views to themselves..?

as for ones opinions at work, why not just leave them at the door if you cant convey them in an unoffensive way..?

Actually I have asked the question as well. On here and via pm and I have not had a reply.

it never ceases to make me go

when people think 'their rights' are being eroded and the country's gone to the dogs because they cant speak in a manner that is possibly going to be offensive..

I'm surprised you're surprised.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"it always amazes me,when the world wide recession comes up,seemingly intelligent,reasonable people like yourself,lose all sense of rational thought,and logic.

the world wide recession,was WORLD WIDE (why do some find that so hard to comprehend),

to lay the blame at the last labour governments door,now that is bollox.

in fact,the last labour government left the country in a favourable position,by comparison with most other developed countries.

i better say it again,see if it helps, the recession was

WORLD WIDE!!!!. "

Of course the recession was world wide, and I would be the last person to blame Blair or Brown for it. However, it was the aforementioned two who drove the countrys public finances into (in all but name) bankruptcy.

It was they who created around a million (mostly non) jobs in the public sector for no other reason than trying to create a client state to keep Labour in power forever.

It was they who allowed unfettered immigration not only (in their words) "to rub the rights nose in it" but to fuel a so called "economic boom" that led to nearly 10 years of either false or vastly inflated growth. The results of which are very plain to see by only looking at the strains on public services we still have today.

It was they (well Blair really) who along with the socialist German chancellor at the time pushed (against sound advice) for the EU expansion to 27 country's something that not only Britain but the whole of western Europe will pay dearly for, for many many years.

It was they who created the Financial Services Authority (FSA) supposedly to regulate the banks and the financial sector in general. This toothless quango stood by and watched for seven whole years while the banks played more and more casino games, but did and said NOTHING. Why? Because the aforementioned two were quite happy while the tax bucks were rolling in (at one point the financial sector was contributing around 25% of total tax take) and consistently ignored warnings that it would (as it eventually did) implode. Oh and when it finally did they were the first to start finger pointing at the bankers when they knew damn well that they were equally to blame.

It was they that not only flogged off half of the countrys gold reserves at knockdown price, but announced in advance that they were going to do it, sending the price further down (good businessmen NOT)

It was they who (by association) left a note on the new ministers desk saying " there's no money left, we've spent it all"

And finally, it is their successors who see MORE BORROWING as the only other option. Ask yourself this, who is doing the lending? the banks? other governments? does it grow on trees? NO the ultimate lenders are our kids, grandkids, and great grandkids.

What always amazes ME is that socialists still believe the old "started in America, world wide problem" nutmeg is an excuse for the last Labour governments pr ofligacy.

The problem with the current government is that they are only tinkering around the edges and cutting spending too little and too slow and doing nothing other than paying lip service to bringing the socialist EU to heel.

That is why I am proud to be (at the moment at least) a "kipper"

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Oh, and I almost forgot.

It was they who signed us up the the disastrous ECHU which forbids Britain from deporting hundreds if not thousands of foreign criminals and terrorists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh, and I almost forgot.

It was they who signed us up the the disastrous ECHU which forbids Britain from deporting hundreds if not thousands of foreign criminals and terrorists. "

Bravo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh, and I almost forgot.

It was they who signed us up the the disastrous ECHU which forbids Britain from deporting hundreds if not thousands of foreign criminals and terrorists.

Bravo

Remember all the british criminals that got shipped off to australia? Wonder how the native aussies felt about that?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Oh, and I almost forgot.

It was they who signed us up the the disastrous ECHU which forbids Britain from deporting hundreds if not thousands of foreign criminals and terrorists. "

You are confusing it with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948/1966)

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Oh, and I almost forgot.

It was they who signed us up the the disastrous ECHU which forbids Britain from deporting hundreds if not thousands of foreign criminals and terrorists.

Bravo

Remember all the british criminals that got shipped off to australia? Wonder how the native aussies felt about that?"

And all the native Brits that were ruled or killed by the Romans. Hey lets not stop there, those bloody vikings were a pain in the arse as well. Maybe we should ask the Italians and Norwegians for Comp-en-say-shun.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Oh, and I almost forgot.

It was they who signed us up the the disastrous ECHU which forbids Britain from deporting hundreds if not thousands of foreign criminals and terrorists.

You are confusing it with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948/1966) "

Sorry it was a typo that I noticed too late. Should have read ECHR. Which Britain adopted in 1998 through the Human Rights Act.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Hey lets not stop there, those bloody vikings were a pain in the arse as well."

Were? Still are where I live. Bloody battles and smells every bank holiday.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Hey lets not stop there, those bloody vikings were a pain in the arse as well.

Were? Still are where I live. Bloody battles and smells every bank holiday.

Sounds like a case for the ECHR. Fundemental human right to peace and quiet on bank holidays. Could be a few quid in it.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Great isn't it?

Never did the Viking/Dark Ages stuff myself but i have friends who do that period. I did Wars Of The Roses instead.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Great isn't it?

Never did the Viking/Dark Ages stuff myself but i have friends who do that period. I did Wars Of The Roses instead."

York is a bit historic so we get everything from the Romans to New Model Army. It makes for interesting views when shopping.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

I actually meant to put a smiley not a rolling eyes face!

Damn Phone

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By *4FantasyCouple
over a year ago

Spalding

My thoughts on immigration: We should be like other countries, you must have a job and have somewhere to live before being allowed in. You must contribute to the economy for x number of years before being allowed to take out. You must have medical insurance so you are not a drain on resources. I live in Peterborough which in certain places English is a third language! We are a small country and caps must be placed and restrictions raised.

Kazx

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"My thoughts on immigration: We should be like other countries, you must have a job and have somewhere to live before being allowed in. You must contribute to the economy for x number of years before being allowed to take out. You must have medical insurance so you are not a drain on resources. I live in Peterborough which in certain places English is a third language! We are a small country and caps must be placed and restrictions raised.

Kazx"

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Kazx

Three thumbs for that. While I agree with the principle of what you say my reservation has to be that just being able to get a job shouldn't be enough. As I said earlier in the thread, immigrants have to have skills that we need. With an army of kids on the dole we don't need any more manual workers from abroad."
I can kind of see where you are coming from. Where I live there is a high proportion of seasonal workers for mainly agricultural work like strawbery picking etc. The jobs are advertised locally to everybody and it really is not the local youngsters but Polish people who take them - equal opportunities but not taken up.

I know these are seasonal jobs and possibly not representative - however...

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Imagine what it must be like to believe that UKIP offer a political alternative.

Just imagine!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

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By *ontystashMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I hope they become a serious party because up to now they the only party that is listening to the ppl who are fed up of the immargration in this country and that is a very lot of ppl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hope they become a serious party because up to now they the only party that is listening to the ppl who are fed up of the immargration in this country and that is a very lot of ppl

listening yes..and plotting to still make us much money as they can....so they play the immi card as it is..thatll sort EVERYTHING!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it's late and i'm tired and emotional. So I'm afraid all I contribute to this thread is that UKIP are sucking satan's meaty cock. All the way to the back of their throats. He's face fucking them. Making them gag on his worm jism.

You'll remember I said this when anyone slightly brown is being dragged from their beds and interned in camps or beaten to death. Because anyone that right wing is. a. (insert rude word of choice here)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

You do realise that immigration problem keeps the NHS running... and I don't mean cleaning staff and cheap catering.

We don't have enough GP's, Dentists, Pharmacists and so on qualifying each year.

Smokers and Drinkers keep the NHS going in more ways than one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kazx

As an imigrant in a foreign country I totally agree with the above comments, Britain is a soft target for free loaders and criminals from other countries. If you dont pay into the system here you are not entitled to any benefits or medical help , If my wife and I had another child the child would not be Spanish but English as neither of us are Spanish nationals something the UK needs to address.

I love the UK but its not the same place I grew up in which is a dam shame, things change but not always for the better though , One day I will return but only to the place where I wish for my ashes to be scattered.

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By *pitfiresCouple
over a year ago

East

Hear hear

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"it's late and i'm tired and emotional. So I'm afraid all I contribute to this thread is that UKIP are sucking satan's meaty cock. All the way to the back of their throats. He's face fucking them. Making them gag on his worm jism.

Normal service resumed I see. When the left know they have lost the argument they always resort to insulting and demonising the opposition.

Their latest campaign seems to be changing the definitions of left, right, and centre. To them the left has become the new centre and the old centre has become the new right with no room for distinction between it and the far right facists of the BNP and EDF.

As for dragging people out of beds I think we could all learn a lot about that from communism (oops sorry communists are from the left so they must all be angels, aren't they?)

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Kazx

Three thumbs for that. While I agree with the principle of what you say my reservation has to be that just being able to get a job shouldn't be enough. As I said earlier in the thread, immigrants have to have skills that we need. With an army of kids on the dole we don't need any more manual workers from abroad.I can kind of see where you are coming from. Where I live there is a high proportion of seasonal workers for mainly agricultural work like strawbery picking etc. The jobs are advertised locally to everybody and it really is not the local youngsters but Polish people who take them - equal opportunities but not taken up.

I know these are seasonal jobs and possibly not representative - however..."

That is exactly the problem.

Fruit and veg picking is a prime (but not only) example of how the immigration rules are skewed.

We import manual labour (mostly from Eastern Europe) who quite legitimately come work in the UK. The jobs they take are usually low paid and therefore attract top up benefits from the taxpayer. At the same time local kids sit at home living on other benefits paid for by the very same taxpayers who get hit twice. Surely dragging the locals away from their playstations for a few hours a day and paying them in wages and top ups the same as the immigrants, thus saving their benefits would be a much more progressive way forward.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I would love to see a change in Law that means that election manifesto's become a contract, and the winning party has to carry them out within the lifetime of the parlimentary period they have been elected to.

It may mean they are all more careful with their lies

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"I would love to see a change in Law that means that election manifesto's become a contract, and the winning party has to carry them out within the lifetime of the parlimentary period they have been elected to.

It may mean they are all more careful with their lies"

I'll second that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm afraid that UKIP may make all the right noises for people, but every discussion I've had with their more vocal supporters has lead to claims from them that sound more BNP/EDL than their party leaders would like. As for manifestos

Political parties cannot follow every manifesto point as we live in a democracy and we have to allow not just for the majority but also the minority. Policies have always been subject to debate, voting and compromise. Why would we expect all policies to be followed through? Naive in the extreme, just in the way that saying that UKIP has the answers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It may mean they are all more careful with their lies"

That's brilliant, except of course if the other party you didn't vote for gets elected. In order for it to actually happen then the other parties in paiament would have to disappear during their term and allow the dictator to run the country.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

"I'm afraid that UKIP may make all the right noises for people, but every discussion I've had with their more vocal supporters has lead to claims from them that sound more BNP/EDL than their party leaders would like. As for manifestos

The reason UKIP are doing well on the back on immigration, is they are filling the vacuum that the main parties have left by not dealing with the problem of immigration. When labour were in power, those in charge wildly underestimated the amount of eastern europeans who would want to come over here when the EU restrictions were lifted, so how can anyone trust what those in charge say now?.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

" ..............

As for dragging people out of beds I think we could all learn a lot about that from communism (oops sorry communists are from the left so they must all be angels, aren't they?) "

The left doesn't have a monopoly on dragging people from their beds. Those on the right, including in Spain, were up to it too.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

" ..............

As for dragging people out of beds I think we could all learn a lot about that from communism (oops sorry communists are from the left so they must all be angels, aren't they?)

The left doesn't have a monopoly on dragging people from their beds. Those on the right, including in Spain, were up to it too."

Of course, I didn't say the communists had a monopoly, but some on the left are very quick to point the finger while conveniently forgetting the actions of their soul mates. Scargill and the Stasi being a good example.

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over a year ago

Normal service resumed I see. When the left know they have lost the argument they always resort to insulting and demonising the opposition.

As for dragging people out of beds I think we could all learn a lot about that from communism (oops sorry communists are from the left so they must all be angels, aren't they?) "

As I said, I was tired and emotional. However, a friend on mine was a UKIP member down in Devon. He has recently become upset that there have been a large number of ex EDL and BNP members joining as they see it as a more acceptable party in the media to be a member of. So much so he left UKIP and stood as an independent last week.

And lets not beat around the bush, UKIP is only about stopping immigration, which they say helped cause the downfall of the UK. And leaving the EU for the same reason. That's it. They appeal to the bulldog owning white cliffs of dover singing "the world was better when we ran it" crowd. Quite a lot of casual racism abounds, particularly among the older generation, of which there are rather a lot these days. And they're the ones who vote, more than your younger more liberal people who've actually met gay people or immigrants. I know a 75 year old who constantly posts nationalist shite on his facebook wall. Some of it is truly appalling. Disaffected Tories are joining up and the mainstream is worried as we all should be.

When this sort of party starts to gain a foothold based on nothing but people's fears then you really ought to be worried. That is a fact bourne out by history.

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over a year ago

Each entitled to their view. I have read the policies of UKIP and agree with them so I will be voting for them in future.

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over a year ago

Each entitled to their view. I have read the policies of UKIP and agree with them so I will be voting for them in future.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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As for dragging people out of beds I think we could all learn a lot about that from communism (oops sorry communists are from the left so they must all be angels, aren't they?)

The left doesn't have a monopoly on dragging people from their beds. Those on the right, including in Spain, were up to it too.

For all their ill deeds, I doubt Scargill and the Stasi came anywhere near the works of Hitler, Mussolini and Franco.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We need a revolution...Long live the Revolution!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It may mean they are all more careful with their lies

How does it become a dictatorship if a political party is voted in on the basis of their manifesto and then made to carry out the promises voted for by the majority of the country?

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over a year ago

It may mean they are all more careful with their lies

How does it become a dictatorship if a political party is voted in on the basis of their manifesto and then made to carry out the promises voted for by the majority of the country?

Because the majoutey must take into account the wishes of the minority, it's called democracy. What would happen to debate? What if things change ? What if what they've promised is no longer possible, what if they didn't have all the information before they wrote their manifesto and so on and so on .

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over a year ago

It's rare in this country to have a majority so technically just over 30% of us could dictate what the othe 70%have to put up with

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's rare in this country to have a majority so technically just over 30% of us could dictate what the othe 70%have to put up with"

Still the majority of those who voted

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over a year ago

"It's rare in this country to have a majority so technically just over 30% of us could dictate what the othe 70%have to put up with

Still the majority of those who voted"

Not really, the majority may well have voted for nine different parties or more, what do we do about the 65%+ who didn't vote for the manifesto? Tough shit perhaps? And then you'll ask me how come this is a dictatorship? Seriously, let's say the half wits called UKIP get in with 39% of the vote, that's 61% who don't agree with their one actually policy, however now, due to your law it has to be passed. What's that if not a dictatorship? What if the majority don't vote for UKIP (deedums) and they don't get in, can one of the other parties now outlaw them because it's in their manifesto? A manifesto is a proposal to work towards, some things will be left and some will be worked on . Some policies will be in their because some of their party (not all) wanted

It in the manifesto, what then? The sad truth is that people only want this idea brought forward when it suits them a bit like free speech and free will etc.

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over a year ago

How does it become a dictatorship if a political party is voted in on the basis of their manifesto and then made to carry out the promises voted for by the majority of the country?

I don't remember the last time the majority of the country voted the winning party in. First past the post doesn't allow for that.

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over a year ago

this will be the first time i vote, mainly as i dont believe a word any of the partys say, il be voting for UKIP for the simple reason of over population and not enough affordable housing, the fact im voting ukip doesnt mean im small minded or racist. i believe cultural intergration is great for communitys but what i dont agree with is letting more people in when we cant cope with the people we have, i dont think we should be sending immigrants home but i do think we should cut numbers comming in?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Democracy aint perfect, but its better than the alternative!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We need a revolution...Long live the Revolution!"

"soon we'll find out who is, the real revolutionary, cos i dont want my people to be contrary"

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country."

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over a year ago

"A chance for us to deal with the immigration problem and reclaim our country.

What the hell does that even mean? Reclaim from whom exactly? It's yet another meaningless sound bite

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

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As for dragging people out of beds I think we could all learn a lot about that from communism (oops sorry communists are from the left so they must all be angels, aren't they?)

The left doesn't have a monopoly on dragging people from their beds. Those on the right, including in Spain, were up to it too.

For all their ill deeds, I doubt Scargill and the Stasi came anywhere near the works of Hitler, Mussolini and Franco.

Like I say very quick to point the finger while conveniently forgetting Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. I didn't mention them earlier because to my knowledge they didn't have any British union leaders in their pocket.

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over a year ago

Government debt as percentage of GDP in 2008 (after Blair had gone) at the time of the Financial Crash was actually lower than Labour inherited in 1997 to be fair.

And the Con Dem government inherited Growth and delivered Stagnation and added a third to the National Debt in 2 years. We are paying for failure.

It was Osbornes lack of growth that led to 2 Credit agencies downgrading us not any decisions under Labour.

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