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"I genuinely don't understand how pansexuality differs from bisexual, especially not in any practical sense. " It's a sexual orientation, it's not meant to be practical. "Looking for" is the practical information. | |||
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"I genuinely don't understand how pansexuality differs from bisexual, especially not in any practical sense. " There's more combinations of genitals and genders than just the usual binary. I'm pansexual. I don't care if someone is a man with a vagina, a woman with a dick or any other combination. If there's a connection and attraction, I'm good to go. | |||
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"Yeh, I pretty much find attraction in anyone" That include Martians and that ? | |||
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"I genuinely don't understand how pansexuality differs from bisexual, especially not in any practical sense. There's more combinations of genitals and genders than just the usual binary. I'm pansexual. I don't care if someone is a man with a vagina, a woman with a dick or any other combination. If there's a connection and attraction, I'm good to go." Only women don't have dicks and men don't have vaginas, by definition. Dictionary description of a pansexual - sexually or romantically attracted to people regardless of their sex or gender. Dictionary description of a bisexual - sexually or romantically attracted to both men and women, or to more than one sex or gender. Can you spot the difference? No? There isn't one. People who call themselves pansexual are bisexual people who want to appear special. | |||
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"I genuinely don't understand how pansexuality differs from bisexual, especially not in any practical sense. There's more combinations of genitals and genders than just the usual binary. I'm pansexual. I don't care if someone is a man with a vagina, a woman with a dick or any other combination. If there's a connection and attraction, I'm good to go. Only women don't have dicks and men don't have vaginas, by definition. Dictionary description of a pansexual - sexually or romantically attracted to people regardless of their sex or gender. Dictionary description of a bisexual - sexually or romantically attracted to both men and women, or to more than one sex or gender. Can you spot the difference? No? There isn't one. People who call themselves pansexual are bisexual people who want to appear special." That's actually really transphobic and condescending. | |||
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"I genuinely don't understand how pansexuality differs from bisexual, especially not in any practical sense. " A pansexual is attracted to humans regardless of what ever variation of the many genders there are. A bisexual is attracted ONLY to either of two genders. e.g. a bisexual will be attracted to a man or a woman. a pansexual will be attracted to :- a man, a woman, a gay man, a gay woman, a transexual, a transvestite, a straight person , a bisexual person , a pansexual person, an hermaphrodite , a lady boy and uhmmmmm any more you might think of. 'Pan' is the key here. Bi is the key in the word bisexual. | |||
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"I genuinely don't understand how pansexuality differs from bisexual, especially not in any practical sense. There's more combinations of genitals and genders than just the usual binary. I'm pansexual. I don't care if someone is a man with a vagina, a woman with a dick or any other combination. If there's a connection and attraction, I'm good to go. Only women don't have dicks and men don't have vaginas, by definition. Dictionary description of a pansexual - sexually or romantically attracted to people regardless of their sex or gender. Dictionary description of a bisexual - sexually or romantically attracted to both men and women, or to more than one sex or gender. Can you spot the difference? No? There isn't one. People who call themselves pansexual are bisexual people who want to appear special. That's actually really transphobic and condescending. " Which parts? | |||
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"I genuinely don't understand how pansexuality differs from bisexual, especially not in any practical sense. A pansexual is attracted to humans regardless of what ever variation of the many genders there are. A bisexual is attracted ONLY to either of two genders. e.g. a bisexual will be attracted to a man or a woman. a pansexual will be attracted to :- a man, a woman, a gay man, a gay woman, a transexual, a transvestite, a straight person , a bisexual person , a pansexual person, an hermaphrodite , a lady boy and uhmmmmm any more you might think of. 'Pan' is the key here. Bi is the key in the word bisexual." This is what I was going to put, can't make it more clearer. Gender has no role in who I am attracted to I would never dismiss anyone due to how they identify it's the person the personality and chemistry that gets me turned not the gender or if they have dicks or pussy or did have one and not. I'm not being special at all I like everyone for who they are. Bi sexual to me is that they like men or women only. Pansexual is they like everyone. | |||
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"Should there be a pan sexual option on here? There must be a few pan people on here where gay/bi/straight doesn't cut it. Any thoughts?" There should be a lot of changes to sexuality options. It's been a constant request for years. Never going to change. If it's not broke don't fix it... | |||
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" Only women don't have dicks and men don't have vaginas, by definition." Transphobic " Dictionary description of a pansexual - sexually or romantically attracted to people regardless of their sex or gender. Dictionary description of a bisexual - sexually or romantically attracted to both men and women, or to more than one sex or gender. Can you spot the difference? No? " Condescending. " People who call themselves pansexual are bisexual people who want to appear special." Also condescending. "That's actually really transphobic and condescending. Which parts? " Woman with a dick here. I didn't choose it, I don't want it, I have to wait in a very very long queue to put that right. In the meantime all I ask is acceptance. If the NHS can say I'm a woman - and you can see my smear test reminder letter if you don't believe me - I'm sure you can do it too. | |||
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"The term bisexual is not transphobic. The definition of bisexual is attraction to more than one gender and does not exclude trans people. It offends me when others claim differently. " The term isn't transphobic and most bi people aren't transphobic. Some though.... | |||
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"Not matter how you identify, you either have a vagina or a penis, so by that logic it would fit into the bisexual description in the dictionary. People are attracted to someone regardless of the physical characteristic they have." No. It wouldn't fit into the bisexual description unless the entire human race was cis..... Gender/sexuality has not been black and white or 1 and 2 or A and B since time immemorial, though denied, and for decades in a more open society. A bi sexual woman for e.g. might not enter into a relationship with someone who has transed from one gender to another and vice versa.... a bi sexual male might not be attracted to a woman who began life as a male... A pansexual would consider both of these as their primary criteria is the person. | |||
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"Pansexual is for people who tend to think that etymology is the only basis for language and its definition. Basically it was brought about because someone thought that bi was transphobic (it’s not). Bisexuality has never excluded other genders, pansexual doesn’t mean you fancy everyone. It’s basically the same thing but; semantics, and internet people have too much time on their hands " This isn't true - pansexuality is an exonym, originally used to describe people in the gay scene who didn't seem to care what gender anyone else was. This was then adopted by people who wanted to emphasise that gender is not an important component of their sexuality. Identifying as bisexual is not transphobic, and believing that has never really formed a basis of what pansexuality means for most people. | |||
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" Only women don't have dicks and men don't have vaginas, by definition. Transphobic Dictionary description of a pansexual - sexually or romantically attracted to people regardless of their sex or gender. Dictionary description of a bisexual - sexually or romantically attracted to both men and women, or to more than one sex or gender. Can you spot the difference? No? Condescending. People who call themselves pansexual are bisexual people who want to appear special. Also condescending. That's actually really transphobic and condescending. Which parts? Woman with a dick here. I didn't choose it, I don't want it, I have to wait in a very very long queue to put that right. In the meantime all I ask is acceptance. If the NHS can say I'm a woman - and you can see my smear test reminder letter if you don't believe me - I'm sure you can do it too." Just because you have a penis and think you're a woman and I don't think you're a woman but a trans woman doesn't make me transphobic, Kay. I also don't think I'm being condescending, just stating my opinions. | |||
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"Not matter how you identify, you either have a vagina or a penis, so by that logic it would fit into the bisexual description in the dictionary. People are attracted to someone regardless of the physical characteristic they have. No. It wouldn't fit into the bisexual description unless the entire human race was cis..... Gender/sexuality has not been black and white or 1 and 2 or A and B since time immemorial, though denied, and for decades in a more open society. A bi sexual woman for e.g. might not enter into a relationship with someone who has transed from one gender to another and vice versa.... a bi sexual male might not be attracted to a woman who began life as a male... A pansexual would consider both of these as their primary criteria is the person. " One of the few times we disagree, Granny. I definitely am attracted to (trans) women who by definition began life as a male but I still maintain pansexual is just bisexual with bells. I could insist people call me a gynosexual but again, that's just a bisexual with extras. | |||
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" Just because you have a penis and think you're a woman and I don't think you're a woman but a trans woman doesn't make me transphobic, Kay. I also don't think I'm being condescending, just stating my opinions." I started at 49 after 30 years of believing I wasn't allowed. I know I can only identify as a trans woman, it's a point of pride to live my life as a visibly trans woman. But trans isn't the most important part of the phrase for me. It's just an adverb, like black or blonde or fat or skinny. I don't "believe" I'm a woman, I am a woman who happens to be trans, I also happen to be a middle aged woman and a chubby woman and a kinky woman. If you need that adverb there, that's not my business. Look me in the eye and treat me like a woman, we're all golden. Quoting dictionary definitions like you think I need to be told the meaning of the words I use, asking facetiously if I can see a difference in those definitions? Textbook condescension. | |||
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"Not matter how you identify, you either have a vagina or a penis, so by that logic it would fit into the bisexual description in the dictionary. People are attracted to someone regardless of the physical characteristic they have. No. It wouldn't fit into the bisexual description unless the entire human race was cis..... Gender/sexuality has not been black and white or 1 and 2 or A and B since time immemorial, though denied, and for decades in a more open society. A bi sexual woman for e.g. might not enter into a relationship with someone who has transed from one gender to another and vice versa.... a bi sexual male might not be attracted to a woman who began life as a male... A pansexual would consider both of these as their primary criteria is the person. One of the few times we disagree, Granny. I definitely am attracted to (trans) women who by definition began life as a male but I still maintain pansexual is just bisexual with bells. I could insist people call me a gynosexual but again, that's just a bisexual with extras." Your attraction to trans women doesn't prove the non existence of pansexuality. C'mon now ...... you know it. Think I'll become Gransexual .. | |||
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" Just because you have a penis and think you're a woman and I don't think you're a woman but a trans woman doesn't make me transphobic, Kay. I also don't think I'm being condescending, just stating my opinions. I started at 49 after 30 years of believing I wasn't allowed. I know I can only identify as a trans woman, it's a point of pride to live my life as a visibly trans woman. But trans isn't the most important part of the phrase for me. It's just an adverb, like black or blonde or fat or skinny. I don't "believe" I'm a woman, I am a woman who happens to be trans, I also happen to be a middle aged woman and a chubby woman and a kinky woman. If you need that adverb there, that's not my business. Look me in the eye and treat me like a woman, we're all golden. Quoting dictionary definitions like you think I need to be told the meaning of the words I use, asking facetiously if I can see a difference in those definitions? Textbook condescension." Kay, I definitely don't mean you ill but sometimes in the early hours of the morning I feel I must speak up and have my say when nonsense is being written/spoken. You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. You are not a woman, you are a trans woman. You may not feel/think/consider the trans part important but it really is. You are views are set, mine will change when the science supports what you insist. I may or may not raise the subject again when you state that you're a woman, dependent on my mood. I sincerely wish you well, I really do. | |||
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"Not matter how you identify, you either have a vagina or a penis, so by that logic it would fit into the bisexual description in the dictionary. People are attracted to someone regardless of the physical characteristic they have. No. It wouldn't fit into the bisexual description unless the entire human race was cis..... Gender/sexuality has not been black and white or 1 and 2 or A and B since time immemorial, though denied, and for decades in a more open society. A bi sexual woman for e.g. might not enter into a relationship with someone who has transed from one gender to another and vice versa.... a bi sexual male might not be attracted to a woman who began life as a male... A pansexual would consider both of these as their primary criteria is the person. One of the few times we disagree, Granny. I definitely am attracted to (trans) women who by definition began life as a male but I still maintain pansexual is just bisexual with bells. I could insist people call me a gynosexual but again, that's just a bisexual with extras. Your attraction to trans women doesn't prove the non existence of pansexuality. C'mon now ...... you know it. Think I'll become Gransexual .. " I'm merely stating pansexuality is bisexuality. Everything that a pansexual person states can be applied to a bisexual person. Agree to disagree? 🙂 | |||
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"I kept saying pan fried yesterday..... I never understand the term pan fried.. I've only ever fried in a pan ..... it's just fried. Unless someone does plastic bucket frying " Deep fat frying is also a thing. | |||
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"You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate." "Science", insomuch as it's a cohesive and consistent body of knowledge, recognises the existence of women with a penis and a prostate gland. I don't mean as a gender - I mean people who are, by most reasonable measures, of the female sex. "Science" doesn't support the assertion of a neat gender binary where all men are XY and have prostates and penises. Asserting such regardless would be denying science. | |||
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" Just because you have a penis and think you're a woman and I don't think you're a woman but a trans woman doesn't make me transphobic, Kay. I also don't think I'm being condescending, just stating my opinions. I started at 49 after 30 years of believing I wasn't allowed. I know I can only identify as a trans woman, it's a point of pride to live my life as a visibly trans woman. But trans isn't the most important part of the phrase for me. It's just an adverb, like black or blonde or fat or skinny. I don't "believe" I'm a woman, I am a woman who happens to be trans, I also happen to be a middle aged woman and a chubby woman and a kinky woman. If you need that adverb there, that's not my business. Look me in the eye and treat me like a woman, we're all golden. Quoting dictionary definitions like you think I need to be told the meaning of the words I use, asking facetiously if I can see a difference in those definitions? Textbook condescension. Kay, I definitely don't mean you ill but sometimes in the early hours of the morning I feel I must speak up and have my say when nonsense is being written/spoken. You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. You are not a woman, you are a trans woman. You may not feel/think/consider the trans part important but it really is. You are views are set, mine will change when the science supports what you insist. I may or may not raise the subject again when you state that you're a woman, dependent on my mood. I sincerely wish you well, I really do. " Why is it any of your business? She can describe herself in any way she pleases, and it doesn't affect you in the slightest. | |||
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"You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. "Science", insomuch as it's a cohesive and consistent body of knowledge, recognises the existence of women with a penis and a prostate gland. I don't mean as a gender - I mean people who are, by most reasonable measures, of the female sex. "Science" doesn't support the assertion of a neat gender binary where all men are XY and have prostates and penises. Asserting such regardless would be denying science." Evidence please. | |||
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" Just because you have a penis and think you're a woman and I don't think you're a woman but a trans woman doesn't make me transphobic, Kay. I also don't think I'm being condescending, just stating my opinions. I started at 49 after 30 years of believing I wasn't allowed. I know I can only identify as a trans woman, it's a point of pride to live my life as a visibly trans woman. But trans isn't the most important part of the phrase for me. It's just an adverb, like black or blonde or fat or skinny. I don't "believe" I'm a woman, I am a woman who happens to be trans, I also happen to be a middle aged woman and a chubby woman and a kinky woman. If you need that adverb there, that's not my business. Look me in the eye and treat me like a woman, we're all golden. Quoting dictionary definitions like you think I need to be told the meaning of the words I use, asking facetiously if I can see a difference in those definitions? Textbook condescension. Kay, I definitely don't mean you ill but sometimes in the early hours of the morning I feel I must speak up and have my say when nonsense is being written/spoken. You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. You are not a woman, you are a trans woman. You may not feel/think/consider the trans part important but it really is. You are views are set, mine will change when the science supports what you insist. I may or may not raise the subject again when you state that you're a woman, dependent on my mood. I sincerely wish you well, I really do. Why is it any of your business? She can describe herself in any way she pleases, and it doesn't affect you in the slightest." Why is it any of your business what I say to her? It doesn't affect you in the slightest. | |||
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" Kay, I definitely don't mean you ill but sometimes in the early hours of the morning I feel I must speak up and have my say when nonsense is being written/spoken. You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. You are not a woman, you are a trans woman. You may not feel/think/consider the trans part important but it really is. You are views are set, mine will change when the science supports what you insist. I may or may not raise the subject again when you state that you're a woman, dependent on my mood. I sincerely wish you well, I really do. Why is it any of your business? She can describe herself in any way she pleases, and it doesn't affect you in the slightest. Why is it any of your business what I say to her? It doesn't affect you in the slightest. " Oh shit, how am I going to work around this flawless logic? I know: it doesn't affect me. However, you're denying someone's identity, their being, on a public forum and it's unfair to her. And I don't like seeing unfairness, as well as targeted intimidation, so I'm responding to it. I suppose you could apply that logic to your own words, i.e. you were simply responding to something you felt was unfair, and OK, you could argue that. But you were being deeply unkind and personal with it, and I was just telling you off a little bit. | |||
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" Kay, I definitely don't mean you ill " I have my doubts. If you're invested enough in my posting future to suggest that you'll bring up my natal gender randomly as the mood takes you, you can also commit a modicum ofv time to proving you don't wish me ill. "but sometimes in the early hours of the morning I feel I must speak up and have my say when nonsense is being written/spoken." Can I recommend getting an early night now and then? "You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. You are not a woman, you are a trans woman. You may not feel/think/consider the trans part important but it really is. You are views are set, mine will change when the science supports what you insist." As far as medical science goes, I will eventually be diagnosed with gender incongruence and prescribed hormone therapy and offered surgery to correct that incongruence. At that point, the only thing that will distinguish me from cis women will be my chromosomes and gametes. And honestly if you need a blood test to prove I wasn't born a woman, I would say you're looking too closely. As I've said, I'm a proud visible trans woman. I'm aware of the things that differentiate me from cis women, but here's the thing. To you, I am words on a screen. You will never be physically in my presence, you will never see what's between my legs, you will never see me without boobs. Why, WHY does it matter so much to you personally to insist on that adverb? " may or may not raise the subject again when you state that you're a woman, dependent on my mood. I sincerely wish you well, I really do. " That's creepy and the very very first time I see you do that I will waste no time in reporting your comment for harassment and blocking you. I'm considering a pre emptive block, but I've challenged you to use your inexplicable interest in my forum activity for good so I'll hold off for now. | |||
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" Kay, I definitely don't mean you ill but sometimes in the early hours of the morning I feel I must speak up and have my say when nonsense is being written/spoken. You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. You are not a woman, you are a trans woman. You may not feel/think/consider the trans part important but it really is. You are views are set, mine will change when the science supports what you insist. I may or may not raise the subject again when you state that you're a woman, dependent on my mood. I sincerely wish you well, I really do. Why is it any of your business? She can describe herself in any way she pleases, and it doesn't affect you in the slightest. Why is it any of your business what I say to her? It doesn't affect you in the slightest. Oh shit, how am I going to work around this flawless logic? I know: it doesn't affect me. However, you're denying someone's identity, their being, on a public forum and it's unfair to her. And I don't like seeing unfairness, as well as targeted intimidation, so I'm responding to it. I suppose you could apply that logic to your own words, i.e. you were simply responding to something you felt was unfair, and OK, you could argue that. But you were being deeply unkind and personal with it, and I was just telling you off a little bit. " Thank you, duchess ♥️ | |||
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" Kay, I definitely don't mean you ill I have my doubts. If you're invested enough in my posting future to suggest that you'll bring up my natal gender randomly as the mood takes you, you can also commit a modicum ofv time to proving you don't wish me ill. but sometimes in the early hours of the morning I feel I must speak up and have my say when nonsense is being written/spoken. Can I recommend getting an early night now and then? You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. You are not a woman, you are a trans woman. You may not feel/think/consider the trans part important but it really is. You are views are set, mine will change when the science supports what you insist. As far as medical science goes, I will eventually be diagnosed with gender incongruence and prescribed hormone therapy and offered surgery to correct that incongruence. At that point, the only thing that will distinguish me from cis women will be my chromosomes and gametes. And honestly if you need a blood test to prove I wasn't born a woman, I would say you're looking too closely. As I've said, I'm a proud visible trans woman. I'm aware of the things that differentiate me from cis women, but here's the thing. To you, I am words on a screen. You will never be physically in my presence, you will never see what's between my legs, you will never see me without boobs. Why, WHY does it matter so much to you personally to insist on that adverb? may or may not raise the subject again when you state that you're a woman, dependent on my mood. I sincerely wish you well, I really do. That's creepy and the very very first time I see you do that I will waste no time in reporting your comment for harassment and blocking you. I'm considering a pre emptive block, but I've challenged you to use your inexplicable interest in my forum activity for good so I'll hold off for now." You may feel or think you are a women but, you are not. Just as I think I am equal in society but, that society does not see me as equal. | |||
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"You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. "Science", insomuch as it's a cohesive and consistent body of knowledge, recognises the existence of women with a penis and a prostate gland. I don't mean as a gender - I mean people who are, by most reasonable measures, of the female sex. "Science" doesn't support the assertion of a neat gender binary where all men are XY and have prostates and penises. Asserting such regardless would be denying science." Thank you for your support, it's very much appreciated. Obviously with a personal interest, I've seen the research and it's cutting edge, underfunded and sadly currently incongruous. There's people continuing the research but in the current climate funding is difficult to come by. Given my age, I won't see the results of this research but I have hope for the people who come after me. | |||
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" Just as I think I am equal in society but, that society does not see me as equal." I'll assume you're the woman on your couples account. In that we have solidarity. You can deny my femininity if you like but I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with my cis sisters to demand social equality. | |||
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" Kay, I definitely don't mean you ill I have my doubts. If you're invested enough in my posting future to suggest that you'll bring up my natal gender randomly as the mood takes you, you can also commit a modicum ofv time to proving you don't wish me ill. but sometimes in the early hours of the morning I feel I must speak up and have my say when nonsense is being written/spoken. Can I recommend getting an early night now and then? You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. You are not a woman, you are a trans woman. You may not feel/think/consider the trans part important but it really is. You are views are set, mine will change when the science supports what you insist. As far as medical science goes, I will eventually be diagnosed with gender incongruence and prescribed hormone therapy and offered surgery to correct that incongruence. At that point, the only thing that will distinguish me from cis women will be my chromosomes and gametes. And honestly if you need a blood test to prove I wasn't born a woman, I would say you're looking too closely. As I've said, I'm a proud visible trans woman. I'm aware of the things that differentiate me from cis women, but here's the thing. To you, I am words on a screen. You will never be physically in my presence, you will never see what's between my legs, you will never see me without boobs. Why, WHY does it matter so much to you personally to insist on that adverb? may or may not raise the subject again when you state that you're a woman, dependent on my mood. I sincerely wish you well, I really do. That's creepy and the very very first time I see you do that I will waste no time in reporting your comment for harassment and blocking you. I'm considering a pre emptive block, but I've challenged you to use your inexplicable interest in my forum activity for good so I'll hold off for now." How is gender incongruence medically diagnosed? | |||
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"You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. "Science", insomuch as it's a cohesive and consistent body of knowledge, recognises the existence of women with a penis and a prostate gland. I don't mean as a gender - I mean people who are, by most reasonable measures, of the female sex. "Science" doesn't support the assertion of a neat gender binary where all men are XY and have prostates and penises. Asserting such regardless would be denying science. Evidence please." This is a pretty good primer, and there are sources in the description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT0HJkr1jj4 | |||
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" How is gender incongruence medically diagnosed?" I'll be seen by a psychiatrist who will question me on my history, how I'm living now, what I've done legally and socially to live as my chosen gender. That's a very short summation of a long process. From reports of people who've been through the evaluation, I'm an open and shut case. I just have to wait the 3b years for my first gender clinic appointment, two more years for my second appointment where I should get my diagnosis and prescription for hrt. I have to be on hormones for two years to be put forward for bottom surgery. As far as I'm aware I will have further psych evaluation before being offered bottom surgery to make sure I can cope with the major surgery and have the support I'll need for the recovery process. | |||
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" How is gender incongruence medically diagnosed? I'll be seen by a psychiatrist who will question me on my history, how I'm living now, what I've done legally and socially to live as my chosen gender. That's a very short summation of a long process. From reports of people who've been through the evaluation, I'm an open and shut case. I just have to wait the 3b years for my first gender clinic appointment, two more years for my second appointment where I should get my diagnosis and prescription for hrt. I have to be on hormones for two years to be put forward for bottom surgery. As far as I'm aware I will have further psych evaluation before being offered bottom surgery to make sure I can cope with the major surgery and have the support I'll need for the recovery process." So it's a psychiatric condition and not a medical one? | |||
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"So it's a psychiatric condition and not a medical one?" All psychiatric conditions are medical conditions; psychiatry is a branch of medical practice, like dentistry or oncology. | |||
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"Pansexual is for people who tend to think that etymology is the only basis for language and its definition. Basically it was brought about because someone thought that bi was transphobic (it’s not). Bisexuality has never excluded other genders, pansexual doesn’t mean you fancy everyone. It’s basically the same thing but; semantics, and internet people have too much time on their hands " I agree with this  | |||
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"So it's a psychiatric condition and not a medical one? All psychiatric conditions are medical conditions; psychiatry is a branch of medical practice, like dentistry or oncology." Ok, but the condition is diagnosed by a psychiatrist, so it's a product of cerebral processes rather than physical anomalies? | |||
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"So it's a psychiatric condition and not a medical one? All psychiatric conditions are medical conditions; psychiatry is a branch of medical practice, like dentistry or oncology. Ok, but the condition is diagnosed by a psychiatrist, so it's a product of cerebral processes rather than physical anomalies? " Research is in its infancy. There's some evidence that there's a physical element but it's not universal. As gender is a social construct anyway, the focus will come down to psychiatric evaluation until we know more. | |||
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"So it's a psychiatric condition and not a medical one? All psychiatric conditions are medical conditions; psychiatry is a branch of medical practice, like dentistry or oncology. Ok, but the condition is diagnosed by a psychiatrist, so it's a product of cerebral processes rather than physical anomalies? Research is in its infancy. There's some evidence that there's a physical element but it's not universal. As gender is a social construct anyway, the focus will come down to psychiatric evaluation until we know more." Yes, gender is, but sex isn't. If you do get the diagnosis you desire, and you have the various surgeries, will you then consider yourself female? | |||
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"So it's a psychiatric condition and not a medical one? All psychiatric conditions are medical conditions; psychiatry is a branch of medical practice, like dentistry or oncology. Ok, but the condition is diagnosed by a psychiatrist, so it's a product of cerebral processes rather than physical anomalies? " No, psychiatrists often diagnose people with problems that are caused by "physical" things, and then prescribe treatments that affect "physical" things. E.g. depression, caused by low serotonin, treated by SSRIs. All "cerebral processes" are emergent behaviour of "physical" things if you think about it. | |||
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"So it's a psychiatric condition and not a medical one? All psychiatric conditions are medical conditions; psychiatry is a branch of medical practice, like dentistry or oncology. Ok, but the condition is diagnosed by a psychiatrist, so it's a product of cerebral processes rather than physical anomalies? Research is in its infancy. There's some evidence that there's a physical element but it's not universal. As gender is a social construct anyway, the focus will come down to psychiatric evaluation until we know more. Yes, gender is, but sex isn't. If you do get the diagnosis you desire, and you have the various surgeries, will you then consider yourself female?" At that point the only vestiges of my natal gender will be my chromosomes and gametes and I will never have had a womb. To the vast majority of the world, barring blood tests and x-rays I will be a woman. Today I am a transitioning woman with a long painful road ahead of me. As I've said already in the thread, all I ask is acceptance. To change me gender EU the NHS I have to prove that my gender change is permanent. I did that 18 months ago. I am a trans woman. I'm open about it, obviously, I'm proud of it, it's tattooed on my thigh for all to see. Occasionally it's nice to drop the adjective and just be another woman in the world. This doesn't seem like such a terrible concession to allow me. | |||
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" Yes, gender is, but sex isn't. " I'm not changing my sex. Medical science isn't there yet, I'm changing - have changed to a point - my gender. | |||
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"So it's a psychiatric condition and not a medical one? All psychiatric conditions are medical conditions; psychiatry is a branch of medical practice, like dentistry or oncology. Ok, but the condition is diagnosed by a psychiatrist, so it's a product of cerebral processes rather than physical anomalies? " Aren’t cerebral processes physical? This differentiation between mental and physical processes is moot. The brain is a physical entity, chemical and physical, just the same as any physical process you might imagine | |||
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"I genuinely don't understand how pansexuality differs from bisexual, especially not in any practical sense. There's more combinations of genitals and genders than just the usual binary. I'm pansexual. I don't care if someone is a man with a vagina, a woman with a dick or any other combination. If there's a connection and attraction, I'm good to go. Only women don't have dicks and men don't have vaginas, by definition. Dictionary description of a pansexual - sexually or romantically attracted to people regardless of their sex or gender. Dictionary description of a bisexual - sexually or romantically attracted to both men and women, or to more than one sex or gender. Can you spot the difference? No? There isn't one. People who call themselves pansexual are bisexual people who want to appear special." Totally agree | |||
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"I saw something the other day on a trans page on FB that struck me. Your body is the hardware, your gender is the software. The software cannot be updated, deleted or altered in any way. The hardware can be corrected to help the software run correctly. As the software is essentially the person, all trans people are asking for is some help with getting the hardware to work with the software. It's not a perfect analogy but i found it helped me to understand." That's interesting! Personally it feels like my software has had such a big upgrade it needs better hardware to run properly. Once I have gender affirming hormones, the hardware will slowly start running the software better. In the meantime there's peripherals I can use to take the extra load off - breastforms, a workout routine focussing on hips, thighs and glutes to give me a more feminine figure... I think your analogy works. That's cool. | |||
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"I kept saying pan fried yesterday..... I never understand the term pan fried.. I've only ever fried in a pan ..... it's just fried. Unless someone does plastic bucket frying " I’ve never actually thought about that! I guess it’s another name for shallow fried rather than deep-fried ? But I wouldn’t say I’m going to ‘pan fry’ my eggs for breakfast, I would just fry them Yet if I was doing some salmon wrapped in bacon smothered in lemon zest, rosemary, freshly ground salt and black pepper, then I would use the term pan fried. Anyway, as you were, Pannacotta sexuals… | |||
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"You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. "Science", insomuch as it's a cohesive and consistent body of knowledge, recognises the existence of women with a penis and a prostate gland. I don't mean as a gender - I mean people who are, by most reasonable measures, of the female sex. "Science" doesn't support the assertion of a neat gender binary where all men are XY and have prostates and penises. Asserting such regardless would be denying science. Evidence please. This is a pretty good primer, and there are sources in the description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT0HJkr1jj4" Well this thread sure escalated. I've just looked at your evidence and thought it odd that your source was a 5 year old youtube video and not some peer reviewed paper. I was thinking do I fact check everything that was said in the video? Can I be bothered? Then I noticed this underneath that picked your 'evidence' apart. Made by a trans woman funnily enough. https://youtu.be/VqfvLjF4zdI?si=zeHf8bL7e-Sf_1hs So I'm leaving this thread before some of you try to convince me I'm really a white, 6 foot 4 Norwegian female called Astrid. | |||
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"You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. "Science", insomuch as it's a cohesive and consistent body of knowledge, recognises the existence of women with a penis and a prostate gland. I don't mean as a gender - I mean people who are, by most reasonable measures, of the female sex. "Science" doesn't support the assertion of a neat gender binary where all men are XY and have prostates and penises. Asserting such regardless would be denying science. Evidence please. This is a pretty good primer, and there are sources in the description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT0HJkr1jj4 Well this thread sure escalated. I've just looked at your evidence and thought it odd that your source was a 5 year old youtube video and not some peer reviewed paper. I was thinking do I fact check everything that was said in the video? Can I be bothered? Then I noticed this underneath that picked your 'evidence' apart. Made by a trans woman funnily enough. https://youtu.be/VqfvLjF4zdI?si=zeHf8bL7e-Sf_1hs So I'm leaving this thread before some of you try to convince me I'm really a white, 6 foot 4 Norwegian female called Astrid. " The problem is that it's hard to get research done. There's a certain amount of disinterest and all kinds of moral difficulties in testing that makes a lot of studies impractical, too expensive. There's a pretty well known Norwegian study funnily enough that did brain scans and did show some evidence of a physical basis for transgender but it was so slight as to be inconclusive. We're still at the very beginning of understanding the science behind what it means to be trans and any physical cause runs the risk of blocking genuine trans people who don't fit the scientific model. That's why the best method we have at the moment is self id and informed consent. Even that's not ideal. It's too easy to game the system but it means we don't have the horrible situations where someone is deemed not trans enough. Btw if you know any 6ft4 Norwegian lesbians, give them my number lmao Like I said, we know we're not changing sex. We're changing gender. Inn this thread I haven't ever called myself female, I haven't claimed to be biologically xx and I know it's impossible. I have deliberately used the word woman. My gender doesn't match my biology. I'm changing everything that can be changed. I know what can't. It'll do. | |||
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"You can deny science all you like. You have a penis and you have a prostate gland (confirmed on another thread) Only men are born with a penis and a prostate. "Science", insomuch as it's a cohesive and consistent body of knowledge, recognises the existence of women with a penis and a prostate gland. I don't mean as a gender - I mean people who are, by most reasonable measures, of the female sex. "Science" doesn't support the assertion of a neat gender binary where all men are XY and have prostates and penises. Asserting such regardless would be denying science. Evidence please. This is a pretty good primer, and there are sources in the description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT0HJkr1jj4 Well this thread sure escalated. I've just looked at your evidence and thought it odd that your source was a 5 year old youtube video and not some peer reviewed paper. I was thinking do I fact check everything that was said in the video? Can I be bothered? Then I noticed this underneath that picked your 'evidence' apart. Made by a trans woman funnily enough. https://youtu.be/VqfvLjF4zdI?si=zeHf8bL7e-Sf_1hs So I'm leaving this thread before some of you try to convince me I'm really a white, 6 foot 4 Norwegian female called Astrid. " I did suspect your mind wasn't as open as you were presenting it to be. The video is a good, lay explanation of where the science is on this topic (yes, as of five years ago). There is, of course, a lot of disagreement within the field (that's how science works) but it clearly dispels the myth that science is settled on a neat gender binary that everyone fits into. (For what it's worth, the science does seem to be coalescing around a spectrum that doesn't even seem to be fixed over time, which is.. mad, but scientists don't discount evidence just because it seems mad) | |||
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" Only women don't have dicks and men don't have vaginas, by definition. Transphobic Dictionary description of a pansexual - sexually or romantically attracted to people regardless of their sex or gender. Dictionary description of a bisexual - sexually or romantically attracted to both men and women, or to more than one sex or gender. Can you spot the difference? No? Condescending. People who call themselves pansexual are bisexual people who want to appear special. Also condescending. That's actually really transphobic and condescending. Which parts? Woman with a dick here. I didn't choose it, I don't want it, I have to wait in a very very long queue to put that right. In the meantime all I ask is acceptance. If the NHS can say I'm a woman - and you can see my smear test reminder letter if you don't believe me - I'm sure you can do it too." I’m confused as to why you’d have a smear test reminder. | |||
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" I’m confused as to why you’d have a smear test reminder. " Every woman gets them. What's confusing? | |||
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"In answer to the op. No. There’d be too many as you wouldn’t just be able to have pansexual as an extra one. 3 is enough. It’s easy to discuss any others through messaging surely. " And you have your profile bio where you can give further info. Not that anyone reads bio's, but still... | |||
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" I’m confused as to why you’d have a smear test reminder. Every woman gets them. What's confusing?" Because you don’t and will never need one. My concern is that, as far as I’m aware, trans men and non-binary people who no longer medically register as female do not receive them and they actually do need them. Surely nobody can disagree that if (and I think it is) this is the case then it needs better regulation. | |||
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" I’m confused as to why you’d have a smear test reminder. Every woman gets them. What's confusing? Because you don’t and will never need one. My concern is that, as far as I’m aware, trans men and non-binary people who no longer medically register as female do not receive them and they actually do need them. Surely nobody can disagree that if (and I think it is) this is the case then it needs better regulation. " They have to do what I'll need to do for prostate exams. Keep an eye on scheduling and book them when the time comes. It's a very minor hassle and taking responsibility for your own healthcare is a small price to pay. | |||
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"I kept saying pan fried yesterday..... I never understand the term pan fried.. I've only ever fried in a pan ..... it's just fried. Unless someone does plastic bucket frying I’ve never actually thought about that! I guess it’s another name for shallow fried rather than deep-fried ? But I wouldn’t say I’m going to ‘pan fry’ my eggs for breakfast, I would just fry them Yet if I was doing some salmon wrapped in bacon smothered in lemon zest, rosemary, freshly ground salt and black pepper, then I would use the term pan fried. Anyway, as you were, Pannacotta sexuals…" Then you are obvs a culinary snob.. As you were eggseptional sexuals. | |||
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"Personally I am put off by profiles which say sapiosexual" as someone who has the word sapiosexual in thier profile, please can I ask why it put you off? And please could I ask if you know any other reason why it may be deemed off putting by others? Xx | |||
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" I’m confused as to why you’d have a smear test reminder. Every woman gets them. What's confusing?" Why would you get one? I need help here…you haven’t got a cervix. | |||
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"Yeh, I pretty much find attraction in anyone That include Martians and that ? " Only the fit ones with big space knockers | |||
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" I’m confused as to why you’d have a smear test reminder. Every woman gets them. What's confusing? Why would you get one? I need help here…you haven’t got a cervix." Automatically generated when I change my gender with the NHS. I did phone and have them look for a not needed box to tick. Changing gender legally is an important step in getting hormone treatment and eventually surgery. I have to prove that it's a permanent change. To me it's obvious but I know I have to prove myself to everyone else and that was one big step towards that. | |||
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"I’m confused as to why you’d have a smear test reminder. Every woman gets them. What's confusing? Why would you get one? I need help here…you haven’t got a cervix." All women get a smear test reminder because they routinely record gender but they don't routinely record whether or not you have a cervix. It works well enough as a system because most women have a cervix and most people who have a cervix are women. I suspect she was just using it as shorthand for saying she is recorded as a woman with the NHS as part of her transitioning (you don't transition from man to "trans woman", but simply to woman). | |||
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"I’m confused as to why you’d have a smear test reminder. Every woman gets them. What's confusing? Why would you get one? I need help here…you haven’t got a cervix. All women get a smear test reminder because they routinely record gender but they don't routinely record whether or not you have a cervix. It works well enough as a system because most women have a cervix and most people who have a cervix are women. I suspect she was just using it as shorthand for saying she is recorded as a woman with the NHS as part of her transitioning (you don't transition from man to "trans woman", but simply to woman)." How can it work well as system if people who don’t need smear tests get reminders and people who do need them don’t? No. It doesn’t work. This isn’t a pop at the person in question. I care not what people want to identify as. This is a pop at the system which needs changing. | |||
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"Personally I am put off by profiles which say sapiosexual as someone who has the word sapiosexual in thier profile, please can I ask why it put you off? And please could I ask if you know any other reason why it may be deemed off putting by others? Xx" I'm not keen on the term as a descriptor. Seems like a meaningless humble brag. I put it in the "proffessional" category on here. Just smarts of pretentiousness to me. 🤷♀️ | |||
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"How can it work well as system if people who don’t need smear tests get reminders and people who do need them don’t?" Systems don't have to be perfect to work well. The first issue is basically harmless ("silly NHS, no I don't need this") and the second issue is almost solely afab trans men (who are informed that they need to request smear tests as part of their transitioning support, if they don't get bottom surgery first of course). There are a few amab people with cervixes but we probably shouldn't try to do smear tests on them and I don't think they have the same risk profile anyway. | |||
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"I’m confused as to why you’d have a smear test reminder. Every woman gets them. What's confusing? Why would you get one? I need help here…you haven’t got a cervix. All women get a smear test reminder because they routinely record gender but they don't routinely record whether or not you have a cervix. It works well enough as a system because most women have a cervix and most people who have a cervix are women. I suspect she was just using it as shorthand for saying she is recorded as a woman with the NHS as part of her transitioning (you don't transition from man to "trans woman", but simply to woman). How can it work well as system if people who don’t need smear tests get reminders and people who do need them don’t? No. It doesn’t work. This isn’t a pop at the person in question. I care not what people want to identify as. This is a pop at the system which needs changing. " Like I said, trans people very much have to take responsibility for their own healthcare. I'm have to remember to book prostate exams, trans men would have to remember to book cervical smears. The problem with that is some people experience such severe genital dysphoria that they.... Don't look after themselves. From our perspective that's where the system fails. The waiting list for gender affirming therapy is, in some cases decades long and the wait for mental health support is far too long for everyone. In the meantime, we're on our own. | |||
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" I’m confused as to why you’d have a smear test reminder. Every woman gets them. What's confusing? Why would you get one? I need help here…you haven’t got a cervix. Automatically generated when I change my gender with the NHS. I did phone and have them look for a not needed box to tick. Changing gender legally is an important step in getting hormone treatment and eventually surgery. I have to prove that it's a permanent change. To me it's obvious but I know I have to prove myself to everyone else and that was one big step towards that." Ahh I see, thanks for explaining. Something in the system isn’t quite right with that, but that’s an NHS thing! | |||
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