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"Fab straight is a real thing Also fab doesn't have the option for I'm straight but I do like convincing TVs or I'm straight but orally bi. If someone is not fully straight but not fully bi they have to pick something, but they shouldn't feel they need to explain their selection to others." Wow your body is amazing | |||
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"Fab straight is a real thing Also fab doesn't have the option for I'm straight but I do like convincing TVs or I'm straight but orally bi. If someone is not fully straight but not fully bi they have to pick something, but they shouldn't feel they need to explain their selection to others." The option bi curious covers that I'm sorry but if a man wants to suck then he's DEFINITELY not straight he's curious x | |||
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"Fab straight is a real thing Also fab doesn't have the option for I'm straight but I do like convincing TVs or I'm straight but orally bi. If someone is not fully straight but not fully bi they have to pick something, but they shouldn't feel they need to explain their selection to others. The option bi curious covers that I'm sorry but if a man wants to suck then he's DEFINITELY not straight he's curious x " I would not consider someone who wants to do something as curious and I wouldn't consider someone who would only do soft play with a member of the same sex as fully bi . But luckily there are people around to tell them and myself what they are and how they should identify themselves  | |||
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"Fab straight is a real thing Also fab doesn't have the option for I'm straight but I do like convincing TVs or I'm straight but orally bi. If someone is not fully straight but not fully bi they have to pick something, but they shouldn't feel they need to explain their selection to others. The option bi curious covers that I'm sorry but if a man wants to suck then he's DEFINITELY not straight he's curious x I would not consider someone who wants to do something as curious and I wouldn't consider someone who would only do soft play with a member of the same sex as fully bi . But luckily there are people around to tell them and myself what they are and how they should identify themselves "I mainly find it strange how you mention it to them and suddenly they didn't realise that it was there and say I'm not looking for them especially when you say your not into that xxx | |||
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"It's frustrating to me that trans women are "reclassified" from woman to TV/TS on joining (after being reported), and then men who are open to meeting trans women are told they're not straight. Seems like straight-up transphobia to me 🤷" I understand you're point here mate. But as a bi man I genuinely believe that if a trans female still has her penis. For all intent and purpose surely this is bi. | |||
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"It's frustrating to me that trans women are "reclassified" from woman to TV/TS on joining (after being reported), and then men who are open to meeting trans women are told they're not straight. Seems like straight-up transphobia to me 🤷 I understand you're point here mate. But as a bi man I genuinely believe that if a trans female still has her penis. For all intent and purpose surely this is bi. " Do you also believe that a man having sex with another man that had a vagina instead of a penis is straight? That's not a gotcha, fwiw - I completely respect that perspective, it's just not my perspective. I don't really care if someone has a penis or a vagina - I'm attracted to (a subset of) feminine people, I'm not attracted to any masculine people, so calling myself bi seems absurd to me. What annoys me is this policing of sexuality - "we disagree on how to define sexuality, so my idea should be forced on you" - which is what op seems to be participating in, and seems specifically to be directed at straight men who have sex with anyone other than cis women. | |||
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"It's frustrating to me that trans women are "reclassified" from woman to TV/TS on joining (after being reported), and then men who are open to meeting trans women are told they're not straight. Seems like straight-up transphobia to me 🤷 I understand you're point here mate. But as a bi man I genuinely believe that if a trans female still has her penis. For all intent and purpose surely this is bi. Do you also believe that a man having sex with another man that had a vagina instead of a penis is straight? That's not a gotcha, fwiw - I completely respect that perspective, it's just not my perspective. I don't really care if someone has a penis or a vagina - I'm attracted to (a subset of) feminine people, I'm not attracted to any masculine people, so calling myself bi seems absurd to me. What annoys me is this policing of sexuality - "we disagree on how to define sexuality, so my idea should be forced on you" - which is what op seems to be participating in, and seems specifically to be directed at straight men who have sex with anyone other than cis women." A man having sex with another man that had a vagina instead of a penis? I honestly don't understand this question. Sorry. Is this a trans man that still has his vagina? Then i say its technically still straight sex. I recognise trans people as the sex they identify as wholeheartedly. But i do however still see it as bi. If full transition is not complete. And i will probably get abuse for this. But at end of the day i however dont agree with denying science and biology. Xx or xy chromosomes, ect. | |||
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"A man having sex with another man that had a vagina instead of a penis? I honestly don't understand this question. Sorry. Is this a trans man that still has his vagina? Then i say its technically still straight sex." Yeh, see, that's completely absurd to me. If that's how you define your sexuality then 👍 but if I'm having sex with Dave from the pub, but Dave has a vagina.. well, that's a man having sex with another man, and that would be bisexual. To me, but you do you. "I recognise trans people as the sex they identify as wholeheartedly. But i do however still see it as bi. If full transition is not complete. And i will probably get abuse for this. But at end of the day i however dont agree with denying science and biology. Xx or xy chromosomes, ect. " It's not entirely clear to me how this is related, but a conversation with a biologist would reveal that sex is not determined (only) by chromosomes, and that most people's understanding of sex is almost completely wrong, and that most people are talking about gender anyway, and that the hard sciences don't deal with that sort of nonsense (so go find a sociologist). | |||
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"I recognise trans people as the sex they identify as wholeheartedly. But i do however still see it as bi. If full transition is not complete. And i will probably get abuse for this. But at end of the day i however dont agree with denying science and biology. Xx or xy chromosomes, ect." It's only bi if they haven't fully transitioned, implying that after the lower surgeries are complete it becomes straight again, because chromosomes? | |||
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"It's frustrating to me that trans women are "reclassified" from woman to TV/TS on joining (after being reported), and then men who are open to meeting trans women are told they're not straight. Seems like straight-up transphobia to me 🤷" This post is NOTHING to do with TV/TS sorry if it felt that way it's about apperntly straight men looking for them xx I absolutely love TV/TS I want make-up tips xx | |||
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"You may be questioning the men but you are also implying that some of us are not women, which at best, is thoughtless. " At BEST! | |||
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"It's frustrating to me that trans women are "reclassified" from woman to TV/TS on joining (after being reported), and then men who are open to meeting trans women are told they're not straight. Seems like straight-up transphobia to me 🤷" Yeah pretty much. I signed up as a woman, got changed to TV/TS when I did my photo veri. Put up with it for a while but eventually messaged admin to put me back to woman. To be fair to them, they did it the same day. I'm not hiding anything and I'm not trying to confuse or trick anyone. I have a massive trans symbol tattooed on my thigh! I've changed my gender legally with the NHS and everywhere that doesn't require two psychologists to diagnose me. Anyone who wants to see my smear test invitation, DM me. I am a woman in every way except my body. It's not my fault I still have my dick. It's not my fault I have to wait 4 years for hormones and 7 years for "the operation". As far as the men who've fucked me, who've had their cocks in my mouth I'm a woman, according to the women who've cum on my tongue and had their toys inside me and eaten my "clit" (long story) I'm a woman. Men who sleep with me are having straight sex. Women who sleep with me are having gay sex. How they identify is up to them. If the NHS, the government and the people I've slept with can accept me as a woman, you lot can too. | |||
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"It's frustrating to me that trans women are "reclassified" from woman to TV/TS on joining (after being reported), and then men who are open to meeting trans women are told they're not straight. Seems like straight-up transphobia to me 🤷 Yeah pretty much. I signed up as a woman, got changed to TV/TS when I did my photo veri. Put up with it for a while but eventually messaged admin to put me back to woman. To be fair to them, they did it the same day. I'm not hiding anything and I'm not trying to confuse or trick anyone. I have a massive trans symbol tattooed on my thigh! I've changed my gender legally with the NHS and everywhere that doesn't require two psychologists to diagnose me. Anyone who wants to see my smear test invitation, DM me. I am a woman in every way except my body. It's not my fault I still have my dick. It's not my fault I have to wait 4 years for hormones and 7 years for "the operation". As far as the men who've fucked me, who've had their cocks in my mouth I'm a woman, according to the women who've cum on my tongue and had their toys inside me and eaten my "clit" (long story) I'm a woman. Men who sleep with me are having straight sex. Women who sleep with me are having gay sex. How they identify is up to them. If the NHS, the government and the people I've slept with can accept me as a woman, you lot can too." AGAIN IM SAYING This was not aimed at TV OR TS it's SM who say they are straight but looking for you please stay on topic x | |||
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"Perhaps the site should have created 2 tags, one for cd/TV, one for TS. The thing is I doubt there are many TS on here. I would say the vast majority of guys who contact me and want to meet/play, do not have "looking for tgirls" on their profile. But they definitely are attracted to tigrls and definitely would play if given the chance. When pressed they usually explain that they hide it on profile to maximise their chances with females " This! I completely agree with you | |||
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"Perhaps the site should have created 2 tags, one for cd/TV, one for TS. The thing is I doubt there are many TS on here. " That would be the best solution. Even if there's only a few of us it at least makes searches easier and feels more honest. I assume guys who message me are looking for a cis woman and pretty much always reply with "read my profile, I'm probably not your type" | |||
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" Men who sleep with me are having straight sex. Women who sleep with me are having gay sex. How they identify is up to them. AGAIN IM SAYING This was not aimed at TV OR TS it's SM who say they are straight but looking for you please stay on topic x " I explained my reasoning and directly addressed the topic. The question at hand is, at it's root, are trans women women and are straight men who fuck trans women having straight sex. I chimed in because it directly affects me and it's a discussion I've had for years. My voice matters. Yes, trans women are women, yes a man that had sex with a trans woman is having straight sex. | |||
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" Men who sleep with me are having straight sex. Women who sleep with me are having gay sex. How they identify is up to them. AGAIN IM SAYING This was not aimed at TV OR TS it's SM who say they are straight but looking for you please stay on topic x I explained my reasoning and directly addressed the topic. The question at hand is, at it's root, are trans women women and are straight men who fuck trans women having straight sex. I chimed in because it directly affects me and it's a discussion I've had for years. My voice matters. Yes, trans women are women, yes a man that had sex with a trans woman is having straight sex." Sorry I never realised how that would make you or others feel but to me your a woman regardless so voice away xxx I'm in all your corners just not the SM who lie to get laid xxx | |||
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" Sorry I never realised how that would make you or others feel but to me your a woman regardless so voice away xxx I'm in all your corners just not the SM who lie to get laid xxx " Sorry I'm a little confused now, are you saying a trans woman is a woman but a man who says he is straight for being attracted to the trans woman is lying about their sexuality so they can sleep with cis women . | |||
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" Sorry I never realised how that would make you or others feel but to me your a woman regardless so voice away xxx I'm in all your corners just not the SM who lie to get laid xxx Sorry I'm a little confused now, are you saying a trans woman is a woman but a man who says he is straight for being attracted to the trans woman is lying about their sexuality so they can sleep with cis women . " Jesus .... I'm saying this has NOTHING to do with TV OR TS gender or however they want to identify themselves i am all for them THIS IS ABOUT SM who swap and change their minds when CHALLENGED why they have straight on their profile TO TRY AND GET LAID is that clearer enough for you ????? | |||
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" Sorry I never realised how that would make you or others feel but to me your a woman regardless so voice away xxx I'm in all your corners just not the SM who lie to get laid xxx Sorry I'm a little confused now, are you saying a trans woman is a woman but a man who says he is straight for being attracted to the trans woman is lying about their sexuality so they can sleep with cis women . Jesus .... I'm saying this has NOTHING to do with TV OR TS gender or however they want to identify themselves i am all for them THIS IS ABOUT SM who swap and change their minds when CHALLENGED why they have straight on their profile TO TRY AND GET LAID is that clearer enough for you ????? " Ah I think I get it now your original post said "I'm really frustrated with looking at male profiles who say they are straight but have looking for TV/TS on their profile " but you actually meant straight males who change their preferences to coincide with what they are seeking at that current time. (You seem to be getting frustrated with trying to explain your post so if this still isn't what you meant then don't feel like you have to explain to me further.) | |||
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"It can also be frustrating with unwanted attention from the straight males contacting Tgirls,when there is no mention of any interest in Tgirls on the guys profile (because they know that showing themselves out like that deters females from any interest in them) " And there you have it. This perfectly describes the reason why. Thank you | |||
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"I'm really frustrated with looking at male profiles who say they are straight but have looking for TV/TS on their profile. What is most annoying is sometimes i get so curious I message to ask, some of the answers are unreal. I have had .. Oh I didn't realise that was on there that's the most popular one. Once had a guy say he thought it meant he could get a TV set .... erm I was blonde at the time but I'm not STUPID Men please don't treat us like idiots because we are on here when you make your profile or even edit it YOU HAVE TO TICK that option so your not straight. But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? " I think most blokes deep down are bi | |||
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" Sorry I never realised how that would make you or others feel but to me your a woman regardless so voice away xxx I'm in all your corners just not the SM who lie to get laid xxx Sorry I'm a little confused now, are you saying a trans woman is a woman but a man who says he is straight for being attracted to the trans woman is lying about their sexuality so they can sleep with cis women . Jesus .... I'm saying this has NOTHING to do with TV OR TS gender or however they want to identify themselves i am all for them THIS IS ABOUT SM who swap and change their minds when CHALLENGED why they have straight on their profile TO TRY AND GET LAID is that clearer enough for you ?????" An interesting post and equally interesting points of view. I get where you are coming from. A tricky subject! | |||
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"I'm a male who considers myself straight, but I find some trans women attractive. I don't class myself as bi becaue I haven't ever seen a man who has turned me on, and I have no interest in cross dressers or TV. To my mind I am attracted to women, but those women may be CIS or AMAB." Nicely put | |||
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"First take the TS out of TV/TS. Then remove the sexuality no more Straight, Gay or Bisexual. If you met someone in a club they don’t walk around with a label expressing their sexuality or sexual history. Just have a site in which you find someone attractive, you meet you fuck. (Prior to meeting if you want to know their sexuality ask them, they can still lie to you to get that fuck) Problem solved "No we personally prefer to see the two still conflated. Whether TS or TV is pretty much irrelevant as far as we are concerned. We are also comfortable with straight/bi etc being answered as it instantly is a shortcut for an understanding of expectations and/or boundaries. Saves a lot of time identifying who shares our interests. Or not. Lastly not all fab members visit clubs or like us only use them as a venue to meet only those we have already chatted to on fab. | |||
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"No we personally prefer to see the two still conflated. Whether TS or TV is pretty much irrelevant as far as we are concerned." Along with your previous comment I think this is a great example of transphobia on the forums (and is in practice how this site works). | |||
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"No we personally prefer to see the two still conflated. Whether TS or TV is pretty much irrelevant as far as we are concerned. Along with your previous comment I think this is a great example of transphobia on the forums (and is in practice how this site works)." By transphobia do you actually mean straight? | |||
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"No we personally prefer to see the two still conflated. Whether TS or TV is pretty much irrelevant as far as we are concerned. Along with your previous comment I think this is a great example of transphobia on the forums (and is in practice how this site works). By transphobia do you actually mean straight? " No, most straight people - regardless of their own preferences - are comfortable saying there's a difference between a crossdressing man and a trans woman. I acknowledge that my perspective on sexuality isn't the norm, so if someone else with the same preferences considers themselves to be bi then that's fine by me. I don't agree that to be straight you need to believe trans women are just men with lipstick on, and I think most straight people would agree. | |||
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"I'm really frustrated with looking at male profiles who say they are straight but have looking for TV/TS on their profile. What is most annoying is sometimes i get so curious I message to ask, some of the answers are unreal. I have had .. Oh I didn't realise that was on there that's the most popular one. Once had a guy say he thought it meant he could get a TV set .... erm I was blonde at the time but I'm not STUPID Men please don't treat us like idiots because we are on here when you make your profile or even edit it YOU HAVE TO TICK that option so your not straight. But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? " I understand all of the above. What I don't understand is why you are looking at men's profiles when the first thing you say is you are not looking for single men? | |||
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"It's frustrating to me that trans women are "reclassified" from woman to TV/TS on joining (after being reported), and then men who are open to meeting trans women are told they're not straight. Seems like straight-up transphobia to me 🤷" The thing is, there is sometimes a huge difference between a trans woman and a ‘t-girl’. A trans woman who is transitioning, or has made the transition from m - f because they were born in the wrong body is a woman and should be referred to as such. Whether they choose to share the fact they are trans is their choice. But terms like TV or t girl seem to relate more to cross dressers, not people who have transitioned. So I agree with you. A trans woman is a woman.. a CD/ TV is a different category and I really think thought should be given to this. | |||
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"Why the interest in whom someone else finds attractive? If someone is meeting me I don't go through their profile and possibly past verifications as if it is a CV. "Got to say that seems strange to us. We give a persons profile a thorough read from beginning to end including all verifications. In addition we have other things we look for to reassure ourselves of the persons honesty and reliability. Without due diligence disappointment is virtually guaranteed. | |||
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"It's frustrating to me that trans women are "reclassified" from woman to TV/TS on joining (after being reported), and then men who are open to meeting trans women are told they're not straight. Seems like straight-up transphobia to me 🤷 The thing is, there is sometimes a huge difference between a trans woman and a ‘t-girl’. A trans woman who is transitioning, or has made the transition from m - f because they were born in the wrong body is a woman and should be referred to as such. Whether they choose to share the fact they are trans is their choice. But terms like TV or t girl seem to relate more to cross dressers, not people who have transitioned. So I agree with you. A trans woman is a woman.. a CD/ TV is a different category and I really think thought should be given to this. " I know this take on transitioning is held by many but as I’m sure you will appreciate it’s far from being a universally held opinion. Many will still prefer to rely on chromosomes to form an opinion on whether someone is a male or female. Gender critical views are still after all protected in law. Now as time and science progresses this might move the argument forward but in the meantime people are still allowed to draw an opinion on whether a man meeting trans or TVs can still describe themselves as straight. It’s a personal opinion and agreeing or disagreeing is also a personal choice. We know where we stand on the topic and have never encountered an overwhelming argument which challenges either our opinions or we feel the science. But hey that’s just our take on the subject. You are free to have a different opinion. | |||
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"Because we give better blow jobs Oh.. and many woman and couples on here are biphobic and won’t meet them if they into tv profile "As you might imagine I disagree with your post in its entirety. And slinging insults like biphobic unnecessary and do absolutely nothing to change minds and hearts. On the contrary. | |||
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"Because we give better blow jobs Oh.. and many woman and couples on here are biphobic and won’t meet them if they into tv profile
As you might imagine I disagree with your post in its entirety. And slinging insults like biphobic unnecessary and do absolutely nothing to change minds and hearts.
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"Stephanie red clearly says 'many women and couples' she has not said it's you so try not to get too fired up over it. And going by how many profiles I've seen on here where it clearly states couples and women will not meet any males who have met TV/TS, I absolutely agree with her statement. | |||
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Not everyone, but enough for it to be tiresome | |||
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"There is a huge double standard on here. Bi woman
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Not everyone, but enough for it to be tiresome "Easy answer to that Tina. Bi women are seen as amusing / playful and safe with no threat to masculinity. Bi men / tv / TS on other hand are seen as walking pox factories / distrustful people by many many straights | |||
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"I'm kinda confused, if you find someone attractive enough to possibly have sex with them why does it matter whether they're straight/bi/bi curious or whatever other label that's been attached. Does it matter- attraction is the name of the game surely 🤔" Attraction is much more than superficial. Meeting up with a drop dead gorgeous Brad Pitt look alike might not be so appealing to my wife if he arrived wearing his Klu Klux Klan uniform. For many of us it is much more complex. | |||
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"There is a huge double standard on here. Bi woman
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Not everyone, but enough for it to be tiresome
Easy answer to that Tina.
Bi women are seen as amusing / playful and safe with no threat to masculinity. Bi men / tv / TS on other hand are seen as walking pox factories / distrustful people by many many straights "It's unfortunately a very prejudicial view held by some folks. Have sex with anyone and you begin the exposure to all sorts, have lots sex with lots of people your risk exposure increases exponentially. You can mitigate by playing safe but it's not fool proof. Doesn't matter whether you only have sex with women either its pretty much the same risk. So if risk is your reason to eliminate bi guys I'm afraid it won't work - celibacy is the only way, can't see that working here | |||
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"There is a huge double standard on here. Bi woman
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Not everyone, but enough for it to be tiresome "Hit the nail on the head there | |||
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" I get more messages from guys than women even though my profile clearly states straight. If that changes I’ll change my profile. It’s annoying frankly , I read other people’s profiles and respect them . " It happens left right and centre on here , I’ve met so called straight male half of a couple who wanted to suck cock , then says after the meet “ please don’t verify me , I don’t want people to know I’m bi” . | |||
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"Double standards or preference? Phobic or preference? Hard to say but likely they all exist. Without knowing people or their motivations I don’t see any benefit to start name calling. Thats pointless and regardless of their reason it changes absolutely nothing. This debate has gone on pointlessly in one form or another for years . I doubt anything said today will have convinced one person to radically change their opinion and begin to meet trans or tv members. They might keep their heads down whilst it’s being debated but don’t mistake silence for a winning of minds. With phobic name calling it’s likely attitudes will be more entrenched not less. The use of wit, intelligence and consideration on the other hand might. " Nobody in this thread has once suggested that people who don't want to meet trans or crossdressers should do. The biphobic is to do with people not wanting to meet openly bi men. | |||
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"I'm really frustrated with looking at male profiles who say they are straight but have looking for TV/TS on their profile. What is most annoying is sometimes i get so curious I message to ask, some of the answers are unreal. I have had .. Oh I didn't realise that was on there that's the most popular one. Once had a guy say he thought it meant he could get a TV set .... erm I was blonde at the time but I'm not STUPID Men please don't treat us like idiots because we are on here when you make your profile or even edit it YOU HAVE TO TICK that option so your not straight. But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? " Some guys just like SEX! Man, woman, or Alien! | |||
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"I'm really frustrated with looking at male profiles who say they are straight but have looking for TV/TS on their profile. What is most annoying is sometimes i get so curious I message to ask, some of the answers are unreal. I have had .. Oh I didn't realise that was on there that's the most popular one. Once had a guy say he thought it meant he could get a TV set .... erm I was blonde at the time but I'm not STUPID Men please don't treat us like idiots because we are on here when you make your profile or even edit it YOU HAVE TO TICK that option so your not straight. But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? Some guys just like SEX! Man, woman, or Alien! " No doubt. But not straight men. | |||
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"Some men just like having their cock sucked. I have it on mine and will gladly meet TV/TS however I’m not interested in their cock whatsoever, and make it clear if they message. However if a fit TV/TS messages and are happy with the arrangement, then I’m happy to meet. Does it make me gay, maybe, but it’s 2025, who gives a fuck." Many people do. That’s the reality and just because you feel differently doesn’t change how others feel about meeting bi or gay guys. | |||
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" Many people do. That’s the reality and just because you feel differently doesn’t change how others feel about meeting bi or gay guys. " Aye I get your point, and wouldn’t even bat a eye lid if someone didn’t want to meet knowing I’ve met TV/TS. It is what it is. | |||
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"Some men just like having their cock sucked. I have it on mine and will gladly meet TV/TS however I’m not interested in their cock whatsoever, and make it clear if they message. However if a fit TV/TS messages and are happy with the arrangement, then I’m happy to meet. Does it make me gay, maybe, but it’s 2025, who gives a fuck. Many people do. That’s the reality and just because you feel differently doesn’t change how others feel about meeting bi or gay guys. " Yes it won't change how people feel and people should not feel like they have to explain or justify their feelings and beliefs, which is why it's hard to believe that people like the OP send people messages asking them to explain themselves for having what they feel is contradictory information on the person's profile. People are free to believe what they wish and also free to have their profile as they wish, as long as it is not harmful to others. | |||
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" Many people do. That’s the reality and just because you feel differently doesn’t change how others feel about meeting bi or gay guys. Aye I get your point, and wouldn’t even bat an eye lid if someone didn’t want to meet knowing I’ve met TV/TS. It is what it is." To be fair your profile is honest about being bi curious and as such is worthy of our respect. It’s the fab straight guys we struggle with who will look us in the eye and claim to absolutely straight because the guy they were sucking off was wearing lipstick. Now our interpretation of that claim is derisory and impervious to change. From many encounters we know his view is equally stubborn. For sure we will never meet regardless of his attempted explanations or any phobic accusations . | |||
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"Straight men like tv/ts because they look like hot females, trying to shame them up into confessing like the Spanish Inquisition only gets a stupid or defensive answer. Some Tv/Ts people do look very convincing so hardly surprising they would attract straight men too. Some men may only want to give anal to a tv/ts like they would a real female, does that make the female a gay male. Or straight male gay for wanting anal with a female? They may only be curious or just not computer savvy. Some maybe just admirers or are open minded and have no intention of meeting just want to be inclusive or like couples where the male is sissy cuckold. Labeling is boring btw" Again we feel honest labelling is a very useful shorthand that instantly creates expections and boundaries without having to spend lots of time communicating with strangers. Interestingly their importance is proven by the observation that straight guys never ever casually accept the description of being bi or gay. It’s always the other way around! | |||
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" straight guys never ever casually accept the description of being bi or gay. " There was a mandatory worldwide questionnaire asking all males about this ? Wowsers that must of taken ages to do, where did you find the published results of this, I'd be interested in the behind the scenes of the logistics of this. | |||
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"Some men just like having their cock sucked. I have it on mine and will gladly meet TV/TS however I’m not interested in their cock whatsoever, and make it clear if they message. However if a fit TV/TS messages and are happy with the arrangement, then I’m happy to meet. Does it make me gay, maybe, but it’s 2025, who gives a fuck. Many people do. That’s the reality and just because you feel differently doesn’t change how others feel about meeting bi or gay guys. Yes it won't change how people feel and people should not feel like they have to explain or justify their feelings and beliefs, which is why it's hard to believe that people like the OP send people messages asking them to explain themselves for having what they feel is contradictory information on the person's profile. People are free to believe what they wish and also free to have their profile as they wish, as long as it is not harmful to others." Absolutely agree with you - it is up to the person what they put on their profile. If they say straight but are happy to occasionally have same sex play, so what? It is up to them! They may not define themselves are curious per se. If that fact is an issue for you, them don't message the guy or move on. There are always more profiles out there. This is a swingers site and you would think people would be more open minded about sex. | |||
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" straight guys never ever casually accept the description of being bi or gay. There was a mandatory worldwide questionnaire asking all males about this ? Wowsers that must of taken ages to do, where did you find the published results of this, I'd be interested in the behind the scenes of the logistics of this. " Then I challenge you to prove my assertion is incorrect. | |||
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" But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? Well OP I have met with many guy from here that have a straight profile and I do ask the same question. The majority of answers say it is because they believe many women or couples are put off if they have bi on their profile. " That is generally true - still seems to be a stigma for a guy to admit he's bi - even on here! Very unfortunate. | |||
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"I'm really frustrated with looking at male profiles who say they are straight but have looking for TV/TS on their profile. What is most annoying is sometimes i get so curious I message to ask, some of the answers are unreal. I have had .. Oh I didn't realise that was on there that's the most popular one. Once had a guy say he thought it meant he could get a TV set .... erm I was blonde at the time but I'm not STUPID Men please don't treat us like idiots because we are on here when you make your profile or even edit it YOU HAVE TO TICK that option so your not straight. But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? " It's upto them. Their life. Their choice. None of your business at all. | |||
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" straight guys never ever casually accept the description of being bi or gay. There was a mandatory worldwide questionnaire asking all males about this ? Wowsers that must of taken ages to do, where did you find the published results of this, I'd be interested in the behind the scenes of the logistics of this. Then I challenge you to prove my assertion is incorrect." That is not possible to prove, something that is impossible to investigate 100% is 100% impossible to prove which is probably why the human race have faith. Also we have the ability to have independent beliefs, standards, ideas, thoughts which are shaped by person unique upbringing, environment, culture etc so therefore it is ridiculous to say that every type of person believes in the same thing | |||
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"It's annoying that when you put straight on your profile and tv ts keep messaging you" Thats what message filters are for you can block tv/ts from messaging you. | |||
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" But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? Well OP I have met with many guy from here that have a straight profile and I do ask the same question. The majority of answers say it is because they believe many women or couples are put off if they have bi on their profile. " I don’t believe this. Or none of these men read threads then because the majority of females on here prefer bi guys. Just look back at all the threads. It’s very often only me that doesn’t. | |||
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"It's annoying that when you put straight on your profile and tv ts keep messaging you Thats what message filters are for you can block tv/ts from messaging you." Exactly it’s not that hard. I only allow men and women to message me. No couples or TVs. Regarding the op. I don’t know why it makes a difference to you. Just don’t meet them. | |||
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" But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? Well OP I have met with many guy from here that have a straight profile and I do ask the same question. The majority of answers say it is because they believe many women or couples are put off if they have bi on their profile. I don’t believe this. Or none of these men read threads then because the majority of females on here prefer bi guys. Just look back at all the threads. It’s very often only me that doesn’t. " I’m not sure these intense little spats that break out in the forums can be assumed to represent the majority opinion. I can only imagine that if the majority of women prefer bi guys, or TVs , or dad bods, etc every bloke on the site would be using that knowledge to craft their own profile. Guys are however trying to avoid this label and those who are open and honest about being bi are mostly verified by other men. Not couples or single women. Which is strongly suggestive that on the whole most women do not actually prefer bi guys. | |||
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" But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? Well OP I have met with many guy from here that have a straight profile and I do ask the same question. The majority of answers say it is because they believe many women or couples are put off if they have bi on their profile. I don’t believe this. Or none of these men read threads then because the majority of females on here prefer bi guys. Just look back at all the threads. It’s very often only me that doesn’t. I’m not sure these intense little spats that break out in the forums can be assumed to represent the majority opinion. I can only imagine that if the majority of women prefer bi guys, or TVs , or dad bods, etc every bloke on the site would be using that knowledge to craft their own profile. Guys are however trying to avoid this label and those who are open and honest about being bi are mostly verified by other men. Not couples or single women. Which is strongly suggestive that on the whole most women do not actually prefer bi guys. " Fab straight. I've seen couples that vehemently state no bi guys whatsoever etc. The hysterical thing is that I can see the verifications and I know that guys they've met are bisexual. Most of them are on fabguys too and often the same name. | |||
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" But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? Well OP I have met with many guy from here that have a straight profile and I do ask the same question. The majority of answers say it is because they believe many women or couples are put off if they have bi on their profile. I don’t believe this. Or none of these men read threads then because the majority of females on here prefer bi guys. Just look back at all the threads. It’s very often only me that doesn’t. I’m not sure these intense little spats that break out in the forums can be assumed to represent the majority opinion. I can only imagine that if the majority of women prefer bi guys, or TVs , or dad bods, etc every bloke on the site would be using that knowledge to craft their own profile. Guys are however trying to avoid this label and those who are open and honest about being bi are mostly verified by other men. Not couples or single women. Which is strongly suggestive that on the whole most women do not actually prefer bi guys. Fab straight. I've seen couples that vehemently state no bi guys whatsoever etc. The hysterical thing is that I can see the verifications and I know that guys they've met are bisexual. Most of them are on fabguys too and often the same name." Is this because they knowingly meet bi guys in spite of their stated preference? Or because they have been deceived? I suspect I know the answer in the majority of of cases | |||
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" But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? Well OP I have met with many guy from here that have a straight profile and I do ask the same question. The majority of answers say it is because they believe many women or couples are put off if they have bi on their profile. I don’t believe this. Or none of these men read threads then because the majority of females on here prefer bi guys. Just look back at all the threads. It’s very often only me that doesn’t. I’m not sure these intense little spats that break out in the forums can be assumed to represent the majority opinion. I can only imagine that if the majority of women prefer bi guys, or TVs , or dad bods, etc every bloke on the site would be using that knowledge to craft their own profile. Guys are however trying to avoid this label and those who are open and honest about being bi are mostly verified by other men. Not couples or single women. Which is strongly suggestive that on the whole most women do not actually prefer bi guys. Fab straight. I've seen couples that vehemently state no bi guys whatsoever etc. The hysterical thing is that I can see the verifications and I know that guys they've met are bisexual. Most of them are on fabguys too and often the same name." As a straight dude I'll throw in my two cents. When I created this profile and met people, I was bi. However, people change. Over time my love for dudes or TVs diminished and after a while I stopped enjoying my time with those groups and eventually realised "hey, I might be straight". Humans do change and experiences or just age can shape this changes. Plus I cba creating an entirely new profile just to get rid of my verifications from dudes. | |||
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"I'm straight, I do have couples on my profile I'll happily come round and fuck the shit out your wife but I'm not touching the guy or he me. "The fact is, guys talk like this in comments on here and on their profiles. Then in our inboxes they are messaging us to meet. For me, because they seem I was a trained masseur ,it can often be that they want a massage for a 'sports injury'. I know damn fine what is likely to happen if I massaged them. | |||
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" But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? Well OP I have met with many guy from here that have a straight profile and I do ask the same question. The majority of answers say it is because they believe many women or couples are put off if they have bi on their profile. I don’t believe this. Or none of these men read threads then because the majority of females on here prefer bi guys. Just look back at all the threads. It’s very often only me that doesn’t. I’m not sure these intense little spats that break out in the forums can be assumed to represent the majority opinion. I can only imagine that if the majority of women prefer bi guys, or TVs , or dad bods, etc every bloke on the site would be using that knowledge to craft their own profile. Guys are however trying to avoid this label and those who are open and honest about being bi are mostly verified by other men. Not couples or single women. Which is strongly suggestive that on the whole most women do not actually prefer bi guys. " Not true. Going by all the threads (not spats) over the past 10 years or so. | |||
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" But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? Well OP I have met with many guy from here that have a straight profile and I do ask the same question. The majority of answers say it is because they believe many women or couples are put off if they have bi on their profile. I don’t believe this. Or none of these men read threads then because the majority of females on here prefer bi guys. Just look back at all the threads. It’s very often only me that doesn’t. I’m not sure these intense little spats that break out in the forums can be assumed to represent the majority opinion. I can only imagine that if the majority of women prefer bi guys, or TVs , or dad bods, etc every bloke on the site would be using that knowledge to craft their own profile. Guys are however trying to avoid this label and those who are open and honest about being bi are mostly verified by other men. Not couples or single women. Which is strongly suggestive that on the whole most women do not actually prefer bi guys. Not true. Going by all the threads (not spats) over the past 10 years or so. " Then I think we must agree to disagree. No doubt bi guys are simply being inundated with invitations from single females and couples. I’m envious of the breadth and depth of all their opportunities. | |||
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"I'm straight, I do have couples on my profile I'll happily come round and fuck the shit out your wife but I'm not touching the guy or he me.
The fact is, guys talk like this in comments on here and on their profiles.
Then in our inboxes they are messaging us to meet.
For me, because they seem I was a trained masseur ,it can often be that they want a massage for a 'sports injury'.
I know damn fine what is likely to happen if I massaged them."Ah yes another variation of the old nonsense about “protesting too much”. It’s always blurted out eventually. But complete tosh. Well as an ex sportsman myself I have received massages to aid recovery from injuries. I’m happy to recognise that the male masseurs were 100% professional in every case without even a hint of overstepping boundaries. Had this not been the case they would have, at the very least, found themselves unemployed. | |||
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"I'm straight, I do have couples on my profile I'll happily come round and fuck the shit out your wife but I'm not touching the guy or he me.
The fact is, guys talk like this in comments on here and on their profiles.
Then in our inboxes they are messaging us to meet.
For me, because they seem I was a trained masseur ,it can often be that they want a massage for a 'sports injury'.
I know damn fine what is likely to happen if I massaged them.
Ah yes another variation of the old nonsense about “protesting too much”. It’s always blurted out eventually. But complete tosh.
Well as an ex sportsman myself I have received massages to aid recovery from injuries. I’m happy to recognise that the male masseurs were 100% professional in every case without even a hint of overstepping boundaries. Had this not been the case they would have, at the very least, found themselves unemployed."My point exactly. I know what they're aiming for but they won't say it. They will just try it on if I did massage them. | |||
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"I'm straight, I do have couples on my profile I'll happily come round and fuck the shit out your wife but I'm not touching the guy or he me.
The fact is, guys talk like this in comments on here and on their profiles.
Then in our inboxes they are messaging us to meet.
For me, because they seem I was a trained masseur ,it can often be that they want a massage for a 'sports injury'.
I know damn fine what is likely to happen if I massaged them.
Ah yes another variation of the old nonsense about “protesting too much”. It’s always blurted out eventually. But complete tosh.
Well as an ex sportsman myself I have received massages to aid recovery from injuries. I’m happy to recognise that the male masseurs were 100% professional in every case without even a hint of overstepping boundaries. Had this not been the case they would have, at the very least, found themselves unemployed.
My point exactly.
I know what they're aiming for but they won't say it.
They will just try it on if I did massage them."They're more circumspect with you - I just get messages and they ask to meet up! Normally in 2nd or 3rd message! | |||
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"It's frustrating to me that trans women are "reclassified" from woman to TV/TS on joining (after being reported), and then men who are open to meeting trans women are told they're not straight. Seems like straight-up transphobia to me 🤷 The thing is, there is sometimes a huge difference between a trans woman and a ‘t-girl’. A trans woman who is transitioning, or has made the transition from m - f because they were born in the wrong body is a woman and should be referred to as such. Whether they choose to share the fact they are trans is their choice. But terms like TV or t girl seem to relate more to cross dressers, not people who have transitioned. So I agree with you. A trans woman is a woman.. a CD/ TV is a different category and I really think thought should be given to this. I know this take on transitioning is held by many but as I’m sure you will appreciate it’s far from being a universally held opinion. Many will still prefer to rely on chromosomes to form an opinion on whether someone is a male or female. Gender critical views are still after all protected in law. Now as time and science progresses this might move the argument forward but in the meantime people are still allowed to draw an opinion on whether a man meeting trans or TVs can still describe themselves as straight. It’s a personal opinion and agreeing or disagreeing is also a personal choice. We know where we stand on the topic and have never encountered an overwhelming argument which challenges either our opinions or we feel the science. But hey that’s just our take on the subject. You are free to have a different opinion. " No disagreement with you that there are are male-type people who are only attracted to female-type people, and vice versa, and it's not up to anybody to argue that they shouldn't be. I will say that that the judgement of what is meant by a male-type person and a female-type person can be complex, and different people will have different ways of making that judgement. Finally, the oft quoted "it's the chromosomes, that's the science" is certainly not correct. More correct is to say "it's the phenotype", that's to say the form that the body develops into, both during in-utero growth and later growth. This is certainly influenced by a person's chromosomes, but also by other factors. Exposure to particular chemicals during the early stages of growth can make an XX chromosome combination grow into a body with a penis, or an XY chromosome combination grow into a body with a vagina. There are also multiple chromosome combinations possible other than the (certainly yes most usual) XX and XY variations, which can cause body growth with uncertain or opposing primary and secondary sexual characteristics. Some conditions relating to genetics and to hormone exposures exist where the apparent external sexual characteristics of a body can switch from male-ish to female-ish, or vice versa, during growth. Particularly during the period of puberty. The fact is that very few people are ever genetically tested. All of us during our lives have known "women" who have a tendency towards male appearance, and vice versa. There is in fact some proportion of these where the "simple genetic truth of XX or XY" is in fact not simple and not true. And no, it's not the "oh well there's always the possibility of a one in a million freak". Current scientific estimates are in the range half to one percent of the population. Which actually makes these "freak sexual conditions" more prevalent than say red hair. Life is simply much more complex than the "Ladybird book of human biology" level of science that we are all taught in early schooling! PS. Thought for the day - if there was any mass genetic testing of the entire population, there would be something like 1 in every 200 people that could suddenly find that their "genetic sex" was not in fact what they had always thought it to be. All of us should examine our own prejudices and wonder "what if I was one of those people?" | |||
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"I'm really frustrated with looking at male profiles who say they are straight but have looking for TV/TS on their profile. What is most annoying is sometimes i get so curious I message to ask, some of the answers are unreal. I have had .. Oh I didn't realise that was on there that's the most popular one. Once had a guy say he thought it meant he could get a TV set .... erm I was blonde at the time but I'm not STUPID Men please don't treat us like idiots because we are on here when you make your profile or even edit it YOU HAVE TO TICK that option so your not straight. But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? " You're really hot x | |||
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"It's frustrating to me that trans women are "reclassified" from woman to TV/TS on joining (after being reported), and then men who are open to meeting trans women are told they're not straight. Seems like straight-up transphobia to me 🤷 The thing is, there is sometimes a huge difference between a trans woman and a ‘t-girl’. A trans woman who is transitioning, or has made the transition from m - f because they were born in the wrong body is a woman and should be referred to as such. Whether they choose to share the fact they are trans is their choice. But terms like TV or t girl seem to relate more to cross dressers, not people who have transitioned. So I agree with you. A trans woman is a woman.. a CD/ TV is a different category and I really think thought should be given to this. I know this take on transitioning is held by many but as I’m sure you will appreciate it’s far from being a universally held opinion. Many will still prefer to rely on chromosomes to form an opinion on whether someone is a male or female. Gender critical views are still after all protected in law. Now as time and science progresses this might move the argument forward but in the meantime people are still allowed to draw an opinion on whether a man meeting trans or TVs can still describe themselves as straight. It’s a personal opinion and agreeing or disagreeing is also a personal choice. We know where we stand on the topic and have never encountered an overwhelming argument which challenges either our opinions or we feel the science. But hey that’s just our take on the subject. You are free to have a different opinion. No disagreement with you that there are are male-type people who are only attracted to female-type people, and vice versa, and it's not up to anybody to argue that they shouldn't be. I will say that that the judgement of what is meant by a male-type person and a female-type person can be complex, and different people will have different ways of making that judgement. Finally, the oft quoted "it's the chromosomes, that's the science" is certainly not correct. More correct is to say "it's the phenotype", that's to say the form that the body develops into, both during in-utero growth and later growth. This is certainly influenced by a person's chromosomes, but also by other factors. Exposure to particular chemicals during the early stages of growth can make an XX chromosome combination grow into a body with a penis, or an XY chromosome combination grow into a body with a vagina. There are also multiple chromosome combinations possible other than the (certainly yes most usual) XX and XY variations, which can cause body growth with uncertain or opposing primary and secondary sexual characteristics. Some conditions relating to genetics and to hormone exposures exist where the apparent external sexual characteristics of a body can switch from male-ish to female-ish, or vice versa, during growth. Particularly during the period of puberty. The fact is that very few people are ever genetically tested. All of us during our lives have known "women" who have a tendency towards male appearance, and vice versa. There is in fact some proportion of these where the "simple genetic truth of XX or XY" is in fact not simple and not true. And no, it's not the "oh well there's always the possibility of a one in a million freak". Current scientific estimates are in the range half to one percent of the population. Which actually makes these "freak sexual conditions" more prevalent than say red hair. Life is simply much more complex than the "Ladybird book of human biology" level of science that we are all taught in early schooling! PS. Thought for the day - if there was any mass genetic testing of the entire population, there would be something like 1 in every 200 people that could suddenly find that their "genetic sex" was not in fact what they had always thought it to be. All of us should examine our own prejudices and wonder "what if I was one of those people?"" You do not seem to quite grasp "phenotype " and "genotype" here. | |||
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"I'm really frustrated with looking at male profiles who say they are straight but have looking for TV/TS on their profile. What is most annoying is sometimes i get so curious I message to ask, some of the answers are unreal. I have had .. Oh I didn't realise that was on there that's the most popular one. Once had a guy say he thought it meant he could get a TV set .... erm I was blonde at the time but I'm not STUPID Men please don't treat us like idiots because we are on here when you make your profile or even edit it YOU HAVE TO TICK that option so your not straight. But I would really like to understand why supposedly straight men have it on their looking for? " You blocked me and I'm an honest guy. Just wanna moan | |||
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