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"I find most of those that use the phrase are using it as a derogatory term to allow them to disregard and trivialise others calling out offensive behaviour on their part Just my 2p" Indeed. It's been coopted the same way political correctness was, into a dog whistle to make certain people angry. | |||
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"I find most of those that use the phrase are using it as a derogatory term to allow them to disregard and trivialise others calling out offensive behaviour on their part Just my 2p" I agree. Here's my 2p 💷 (couldn't find a coins emoji) | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. " That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. " 🙌🫶 | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. " Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. " There's been a divide in the English language. In some informational ecosystems it means awareness of social injustice and similar, as adapted from African American English and culture. In others it means something similar to what political correctness used to - a phrase to mean "people we don't like who want to cause problems". A way to trivialise social problems and create an enemy that need not exist. | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks]" [5 marks awarded for SpaG] | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. "  | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks]" Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. | |||
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"The woke generation sounds as if you think it belongs to one age group ... or era. I don't think it's either. To me it's those that 'think fairly / think with all humanity in mind' , what ever their age and whatever the era in time. " I think that's part of the framing, and quite deliberate. If you frame it as a generation, you can frame it as "those stupid kids" who are just rebelling against "us". | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that." So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it?  | |||
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"I find most of those that use the phrase are using it as a derogatory term to allow them to disregard and trivialise others calling out offensive behaviour on their part Just my 2p" Spot on  | |||
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"Nope. Do you mean people being decent to each other? " Exactly. Some people have been manipulated into thinking this is a bad thing, and that 'woke' people are 'imposing' their ideas on everyone else. They take things very serious abut other people being thoughtful. I mean, they feel threatened, seriously!? It's the end of the world as we know it.. Funny that it's r.wing commentators who want to break up society so that they can feast on the rewards too. Divide,distract(from how society's being gutted) and conquer as per usual. | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that." I'm afraid that receives zero marks. | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand." Yes, just as women need to be more respectable when demanding the vote or (n words) should respect their betters if they want to be accepted as human. If you define everything your opponent says as a strop, you can dismiss it and pat yourself on the back as being Very Special and Very Clever. | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. I'm afraid that receives zero marks." Didn’t hit any of AO1 | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand." You have used quite a few adjectives that suggest you are quite wound up by this concept yourself. | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand. Yes, just as women need to be more respectable when demanding the vote or (n words) should respect their betters if they want to be accepted as human. If you define everything your opponent says as a strop, you can dismiss it and pat yourself on the back as being Very Special and Very Clever. " Dominant groups telling dominated groups ‘maybe we’d give you equality if you asked us nicely!!!’ | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand. You have used quite a few adjectives that suggest you are quite wound up by this concept yourself." Nuh uh. Very special. Very clever. Only wokies can be offended, because I have defined it so | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand. Yes, just as women need to be more respectable when demanding the vote or (n words) should respect their betters if they want to be accepted as human. If you define everything your opponent says as a strop, you can dismiss it and pat yourself on the back as being Very Special and Very Clever. Dominant groups telling dominated groups ‘maybe we’d give you equality if you asked us nicely!!!’" Dominated groups ruining things because Daddy Gates will send me that cheque he's been promising since the 90s. Any day now | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand." WTAF  | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand. WTAF "They tell on themselves, I swear to god | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand. Yes, just as women need to be more respectable when demanding the vote or (n words) should respect their betters if they want to be accepted as human. If you define everything your opponent says as a strop, you can dismiss it and pat yourself on the back as being Very Special and Very Clever. Dominant groups telling dominated groups ‘maybe we’d give you equality if you asked us nicely!!!’" I have to quote Bob Vylan here: "White folks love quote Martin Luther 'Cause he held hands and prayed when they bombed his building Good for him but the times have changed And don't forget white folks still k*lled him" | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it? "I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also. | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it?
I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also. "It's not policing an opinion if they asked you to explain it - they literally gave you a platform to share... | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it?
I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also. "I'm not policing you. Words mean things. I'm mocking you. You want to be taken seriously and say that you can't have a lengthy conversation with text? You know libraries exist, right? Treatises have been written online? | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it?
I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also.
It's not policing an opinion if they asked you to explain it - they literally gave you a platform to share..."It's a technique, redefining words to make yourself seem like the victim. Bit double plus ungood for those of us who read more than memes. | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand. Yes, just as women need to be more respectable when demanding the vote or (n words) should respect their betters if they want to be accepted as human. If you define everything your opponent says as a strop, you can dismiss it and pat yourself on the back as being Very Special and Very Clever. Dominant groups telling dominated groups ‘maybe we’d give you equality if you asked us nicely!!!’ I have to quote Bob Vylan here: "White folks love quote Martin Luther 'Cause he held hands and prayed when they bombed his building Good for him but the times have changed And don't forget white folks still k*lled him"" My favourite thing about white people quoting Martin is that they do so whilst ignoring what he actually said about white people. When I first read the letter from the Birmingham Jail I couldn’t believe it was Martin because that’s not the hippy they taught me about in school. | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand. Yes, just as women need to be more respectable when demanding the vote or (n words) should respect their betters if they want to be accepted as human. If you define everything your opponent says as a strop, you can dismiss it and pat yourself on the back as being Very Special and Very Clever. Dominant groups telling dominated groups ‘maybe we’d give you equality if you asked us nicely!!!’ I have to quote Bob Vylan here: "White folks love quote Martin Luther 'Cause he held hands and prayed when they bombed his building Good for him but the times have changed And don't forget white folks still k*lled him" My favourite thing about white people quoting Martin is that they do so whilst ignoring what he actually said about white people. When I first read the letter from the Birmingham Jail I couldn’t believe it was Martin because that’s not the hippy they taught me about in school. " In order to accept social change, we have to make it palatable by turning revolution into a few nice words, so we can still accept that attacking little girls going to school was righteous and not encourage the uppity to go further. | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it?
I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also.
It's not policing an opinion if they asked you to explain it - they literally gave you a platform to share...
It's a technique, redefining words to make yourself seem like the victim. Bit double plus ungood for those of us who read more than memes."Hey, I learnt everything I know from memes  | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it?
I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also.
It's not policing an opinion if they asked you to explain it - they literally gave you a platform to share...
It's a technique, redefining words to make yourself seem like the victim. Bit double plus ungood for those of us who read more than memes.
Hey, I learnt everything I know from memes "Maybe if some people (not a personal comment) read history and literature, they'd understand why we are where we are. | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it?
I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also.
It's not policing an opinion if they asked you to explain it - they literally gave you a platform to share...
It's a technique, redefining words to make yourself seem like the victim. Bit double plus ungood for those of us who read more than memes.
Hey, I learnt everything I know from memes
Maybe if some people (not a personal comment) read history and literature, they'd understand why we are where we are."This links nicely back to the definition of wokeness; people would understand if they listened to others (and not only the people who share their opinions), spent some time understanding their experiences and perspectives, and respecting them. | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand. Yes, just as women need to be more respectable when demanding the vote or (n words) should respect their betters if they want to be accepted as human. If you define everything your opponent says as a strop, you can dismiss it and pat yourself on the back as being Very Special and Very Clever. Dominant groups telling dominated groups ‘maybe we’d give you equality if you asked us nicely!!!’ I have to quote Bob Vylan here: "White folks love quote Martin Luther 'Cause he held hands and prayed when they bombed his building Good for him but the times have changed And don't forget white folks still k*lled him" My favourite thing about white people quoting Martin is that they do so whilst ignoring what he actually said about white people. When I first read the letter from the Birmingham Jail I couldn’t believe it was Martin because that’s not the hippy they taught me about in school. " Thank you, Pickle. You've just got me onto some excellent source material there. Thank you | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it?
I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also.
It's not policing an opinion if they asked you to explain it - they literally gave you a platform to share...
It's a technique, redefining words to make yourself seem like the victim. Bit double plus ungood for those of us who read more than memes.
Hey, I learnt everything I know from memes
Maybe if some people (not a personal comment) read history and literature, they'd understand why we are where we are.
This links nicely back to the definition of wokeness; people would understand if they listened to others (and not only the people who share their opinions), spent some time understanding their experiences and perspectives, and respecting them."Indeed. I became woke when learning about childhood poverty, and the St*len Generation in Australia. I grew up privileged and have no indigenous heritage as far as I'm aware. I just give a shit about people who aren't just me and mine | |||
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I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also.
It's not policing an opinion if they asked you to explain it - they literally gave you a platform to share...
It's a technique, redefining words to make yourself seem like the victim. Bit double plus ungood for those of us who read more than memes.
Hey, I learnt everything I know from memes
Maybe if some people (not a personal comment) read history and literature, they'd understand why we are where we are.
This links nicely back to the definition of wokeness; people would understand if they listened to others (and not only the people who share their opinions), spent some time understanding their experiences and perspectives, and respecting them.
Indeed.
I became woke when learning about childhood poverty, and the St*len Generation in Australia. I grew up privileged and have no indigenous heritage as far as I'm aware. I just give a shit about people who aren't just me and mine "❤️ | |||
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" I'm not policing you. Words mean things. I'm mocking you. You want to be taken seriously and say that you can't have a lengthy conversation with text? You know libraries exist, right? Treatises have been written online? " Lets not please, it does nothing for a debate and annoys people to send a debate a different way | |||
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"Some need to read more. Ok. Do you have any suggestions or guidance? Specific sources, please. Or an idea of why you believe as you do. You're an adult. I'm sure you've researched subjects before. Go research. I have, extensively. I would like to know why *you* believe as *you* do. What do I believe? That midnight's comment sounds like a bunch of nonsense. Why do you believe that? You can direct me to sources if you like, or explain. Nope. As i said before. Not the right medium for an extensive and detailed conversation. Then why dismiss someone's thoughts wholesale without being willing to contribute to discourse?" Well. The subject is a sensitive one for some. Having this discussion fully. Would certainly cause some to take offense. I would rather not get banned on the platform because someone can't accept differing views. So you only get my concise thoughts on wokeness as a whole. It's nonsense. | |||
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"Some need to read more. Ok. Do you have any suggestions or guidance? Specific sources, please. Or an idea of why you believe as you do. You're an adult. I'm sure you've researched subjects before. Go research. I have, extensively. I would like to know why *you* believe as *you* do. What do I believe? That midnight's comment sounds like a bunch of nonsense. Why do you believe that? You can direct me to sources if you like, or explain. Nope. As i said before. Not the right medium for an extensive and detailed conversation. Then why dismiss someone's thoughts wholesale without being willing to contribute to discourse? Well. The subject is a sensitive one for some. Having this discussion fully. Would certainly cause some to take offense. I would rather not get banned on the platform because someone can't accept differing views. So you only get my concise thoughts on wokeness as a whole. It's nonsense. " Individual feelings is not generally a grounds for being banned. It's about Fab rules. (And you can cite rather than link to sources, because I'm aware of the rule on links. Easily worked around if resources were to be shared) Thus, I will do as I do in any aspect of my life. That which is asserted without evidence shall be dismissed without evidence. | |||
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"Some need to read more. Ok. Do you have any suggestions or guidance? Specific sources, please. Or an idea of why you believe as you do. You're an adult. I'm sure you've researched subjects before. Go research. I have, extensively. I would like to know why *you* believe as *you* do. What do I believe? That midnight's comment sounds like a bunch of nonsense. Why do you believe that? You can direct me to sources if you like, or explain. Nope. As i said before. Not the right medium for an extensive and detailed conversation. Then why dismiss someone's thoughts wholesale without being willing to contribute to discourse? Well. The subject is a sensitive one for some. Having this discussion fully. Would certainly cause some to take offense. I would rather not get banned on the platform because someone can't accept differing views. So you only get my concise thoughts on wokeness as a whole. It's nonsense. You don't get banned for offering different views and I know most of us would rather discuss those different views with people who back it up rather than offer reductive statements that really provide no value at all 🤷♂️" But if you offend someone you could. I've no doubt some may have already blocked me for my input on the thread. Which is fine but there are spiteful people out there and will happily go about baiting people with differing opinions. Just to get the banned. So i will make an effort to avoid that. | |||
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" Thus, I will do as I do in any aspect of my life. That which is asserted without evidence shall be dismissed without evidence." Best way to go if you ask me. If wanting to change someones opinion or are pushing a generally not accepted version of the status quo, the onus to provide the evidence falls squarely on the person looking to make the change. "do your own research" is code for..."i have no evidence, believe my batshit statement" in my experience | |||
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"Some need to read more. Ok. Do you have any suggestions or guidance? Specific sources, please. Or an idea of why you believe as you do. You're an adult. I'm sure you've researched subjects before. Go research. I have, extensively. I would like to know why *you* believe as *you* do. What do I believe? That midnight's comment sounds like a bunch of nonsense. Why do you believe that? You can direct me to sources if you like, or explain. Nope. As i said before. Not the right medium for an extensive and detailed conversation. Then why dismiss someone's thoughts wholesale without being willing to contribute to discourse? Well. The subject is a sensitive one for some. Having this discussion fully. Would certainly cause some to take offense. I would rather not get banned on the platform because someone can't accept differing views. So you only get my concise thoughts on wokeness as a whole. It's nonsense. You don't get banned for offering different views and I know most of us would rather discuss those different views with people who back it up rather than offer reductive statements that really provide no value at all 🤷♂️ But if you offend someone you could. I've no doubt some may have already blocked me for my input on the thread. Which is fine but there are spiteful people out there and will happily go about baiting people with differing opinions. Just to get the banned. So i will make an effort to avoid that. " I've seen plenty of threads where, if I post in them, I'll violate all the Fab rules fast I don't post in those threads. I certainly don't declare everyone wrong and refuse to explain why . | |||
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" Thus, I will do as I do in any aspect of my life. That which is asserted without evidence shall be dismissed without evidence. Best way to go if you ask me. If wanting to change someones opinion or are pushing a generally not accepted version of the status quo, the onus to provide the evidence falls squarely on the person looking to make the change. "do your own research" is code for..."i have no evidence, believe my batshit statement" in my experience" Yes. I found in 2020 that when I replied to "do your own research" with "I'm keeping up with research papers, scholars engaging in public outreach, etc", I was told that that was not research, that I should research harder. Why? Are internet memes better than academic papers on biology and medicine? | |||
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"You don't get banned for offering different views and I know most of us would rather discuss those different views with people who back it up rather than offer reductive statements that really provide no value at all 🤷♂️ But if you offend someone you could. I've no doubt some may have already blocked me for my input on the thread. Which is fine but there are spiteful people out there and will happily go about baiting people with differing opinions. Just to get the banned. So i will make an effort to avoid that. " But it's an emotive subject... So if you didn't want to offend anyone, why would you not stick to more light hearted threads. Especially when you call it nonsense which people will obviously take exception to. It's just an odd approach to take with the views that you have 🤔 | |||
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"I personally believe there is no "woke" generation. It's a terms that's meant to bring attention to the inequalities people face while trying to find ways to give everyone the same equity to succeed. You can want and be aware of that whether you're 20 or 60. I think denying it needs attention means people are happy in their little bubbles as it feels more safe than acknowledging changes are needed." One of the most woke people I've ever met - no longer with us - would have turned 101 this year if cancer hadn't got her. | |||
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"“Utter woke nonsense”" The would have been 101 year old got that - in different vocabulary - when she and her husband left South Africa because apartheid was immoral to them. | |||
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" Thus, I will do as I do in any aspect of my life. That which is asserted without evidence shall be dismissed without evidence. Best way to go if you ask me. If wanting to change someones opinion or are pushing a generally not accepted version of the status quo, the onus to provide the evidence falls squarely on the person looking to make the change. "do your own research" is code for..."i have no evidence, believe my batshit statement" in my experience" Interesting point you make here. I have to evidence and qualify my nonsense statement but you don't have to qualify or evidence your 'batshit' statement. Seems like a rules for thee and not for me kinda thing. | |||
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"I personally believe there is no "woke" generation. It's a terms that's meant to bring attention to the inequalities people face while trying to find ways to give everyone the same equity to succeed. You can want and be aware of that whether you're 20 or 60. I think denying it needs attention means people are happy in their little bubbles as it feels more safe than acknowledging changes are needed." I agree | |||
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" Thus, I will do as I do in any aspect of my life. That which is asserted without evidence shall be dismissed without evidence. Best way to go if you ask me. If wanting to change someones opinion or are pushing a generally not accepted version of the status quo, the onus to provide the evidence falls squarely on the person looking to make the change. "do your own research" is code for..."i have no evidence, believe my batshit statement" in my experience Interesting point you make here. I have to evidence and qualify my nonsense statement but you don't have to qualify or evidence your 'batshit' statement. Seems like a rules for thee and not for me kinda thing. " But are you enjoying your guided tour around the Tower of Babel?  | |||
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"Snowflake totally useless cry babies " I'm not *totally* useless; I can poach an egg and change a plug socket  | |||
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"The culture war is over, and woke lost. "¿Qué? | |||
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" Thus, I will do as I do in any aspect of my life. That which is asserted without evidence shall be dismissed without evidence. Best way to go if you ask me. If wanting to change someones opinion or are pushing a generally not accepted version of the status quo, the onus to provide the evidence falls squarely on the person looking to make the change. "do your own research" is code for..."i have no evidence, believe my batshit statement" in my experience Interesting point you make here. I have to evidence and qualify my nonsense statement but you don't have to qualify or evidence your 'batshit' statement. Seems like a rules for thee and not for me kinda thing. " Im not sure i referenced you specifically. If someone expects me to believe something that i dont believe, if they dont have anything to back it up ill ignore it. Seems fairly straightfoward Its my opinion and just the way my brain works. If i wanted to challenge a generally accepted norm and i had nothing to back it up, i'd expect nothing less from those whos mind i was attempting to change | |||
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" But if you offend someone you could. I've no doubt some may have already blocked me for my input on the thread. Which is fine but there are spiteful people out there and will happily go about baiting people with differing opinions. Just to get the banned. So i will make an effort to avoid that. " Only the person typing can get themselves banned. Offending someone else is not a rule break, the way you type a post may well be though. | |||
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"Snowflake totally useless cry babies I'm not *totally* useless; I can poach an egg and change a plug socket "These aren't useful. Useful skills are saying things 'aS tHeY aRe' without, actually, being able to say anything these days. Knowing the difference between a spade and a shovel. Reminiscing about times past when only your opinion mattered and sharing memes about how it was so much better when children died because there weren't any safety precautions on playgrounds. B | |||
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"I find most of those that use the phrase are using it as a derogatory term to allow them to disregard and trivialise others calling out offensive behaviour on their part Just my 2p Indeed. It's been coopted the same way political correctness was, into a dog whistle to make certain people angry." Exactly. And those who do get angry often have very little idea of what they're angry about. It's easier for them to be told what to hate, rather than actually look around & think. | |||
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"Snowflake totally useless cry babies I'm not *totally* useless; I can poach an egg and change a plug socket
These aren't useful. Useful skills are saying things 'aS tHeY aRe' without, actually, being able to say anything these days. Knowing the difference between a spade and a shovel. Reminiscing about times past when only your opinion mattered and sharing memes about how it was so much better when children died because there weren't any safety precautions on playgrounds.
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"I find most of those that use the phrase are using it as a derogatory term to allow them to disregard and trivialise others calling out offensive behaviour on their part Just my 2p Indeed. It's been coopted the same way political correctness was, into a dog whistle to make certain people angry. Exactly. And those who do get angry often have very little idea of what they're angry about. It's easier for them to be told what to hate, rather than actually look around & think. " It's simple Pavlovian conditioning. | |||
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"Is a woke the same as a snowflake or are they a more angry snowflake or are they totally different..,🤔" I think your onto something.. Perhaps we could simplify it for the ones who seem to shout such words loudly (about others) yet often can't explain what it actually means or why they are so bloody triggered and angry and ranting and red faced etc.. #wokeflakes | |||
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"I find most of those that use the phrase are using it as a derogatory term to allow them to disregard and trivialise others calling out offensive behaviour on their part Just my 2p Indeed. It's been coopted the same way political correctness was, into a dog whistle to make certain people angry. Exactly. And those who do get angry often have very little idea of what they're angry about. It's easier for them to be told what to hate, rather than actually look around & think. "
It's almost like it's a deflection tactic by some who thrive and profit from such things.
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it?
I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also.
It's not policing an opinion if they asked you to explain it - they literally gave you a platform to share...
It's a technique, redefining words to make yourself seem like the victim. Bit double plus ungood for those of us who read more than memes.
Hey, I learnt everything I know from memes
Maybe if some people (not a personal comment) read history and literature, they'd understand why we are where we are."The amount of the 'online Right' who love to co-opt Orwell because of his opposition to Authoritarian Communism is frankly astounding. They actually seem to think he was 'one of them' whilst completely failing to understand he went to Spain to shoot & kill people like them. The reason Orwell didn't write many diatribes against Fascism is because it was taken as read that Fascism was an evil to be exterminated - no argument required. His actual sympathies in Spain were with the Anarcho-Syndicalists of the CNT-FAI & the POUM with whom he fought, & who saw the Spanish Communist Party as being on the Right of Revolutionary Politics. | |||
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"I think strictly speaking the term woke refers to an awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans? I mean why wouldn't you want to understand those challenges deeper and help create equity wherever possible ? I'd also go so far as to say who wouldn't want to have an understanding of social and political issues impacting all cultures, genders, race, disabilities etc. Do as much as you can to educate yourself and contribute to society and make the world a better place, especially if you come from any background of privilege. That sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense. Please explain why this is a "whole bunch of nonsense". [20 marks] Nope. It's not the right medium for a discussion like that. So you're happy to demean something without explaining why, and just have people take your word for it?
I'm happy to share my thoughts and comments as i see fit. I shared the concise thought on the subject. As i already said. This is not the right medium for this discussion. As it is a lengthy one. Text isn't the medium. But obviously you're free to continue to police people with obviously different opinions as you see fit also.
It's not policing an opinion if they asked you to explain it - they literally gave you a platform to share...
It's a technique, redefining words to make yourself seem like the victim. Bit double plus ungood for those of us who read more than memes.
Hey, I learnt everything I know from memes
Maybe if some people (not a personal comment) read history and literature, they'd understand why we are where we are.
The amount of the 'online Right' who love to co-opt Orwell because of his opposition to Authoritarian Communism is frankly astounding.
They actually seem to think he was 'one of them' whilst completely failing to understand he went to Spain to shoot & kill people like them.
The reason Orwell didn't write many diatribes against Fascism is because it was taken as read that Fascism was an evil to be exterminated - no argument required.
His actual sympathies in Spain were with the Anarcho-Syndicalists of the CNT-FAI & the POUM with whom he fought, & who saw the Spanish Communist Party as being on the Right of Revolutionary Politics."Quite. If we reduce everything into us and them, they can co-opt Orwell. Understanding the text and socio-political background it was written in... Probably too much like hard work. | |||
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"My opinion of "woke" and the far right are that they have ideas that work and don't work. I think all in all people need to make decisions based on common sense and not feelings or emotions only. I believe in freedom of speech yet I think in order to have that I must accept someone else's opinion and give them that freedom to use it. I just wish that the very people that consider themselves woke or far right gave each other the time of day to learn a thing or two about their beliefs and ideas." Why would I give someone who sees me as inferior and repungent, purely on the basis of my skin colour, my time and emotional energy? Being “woke” isn’t the other end of the political spectrum from far right either, and I’m fairly sure it doesn’t sit on the spectrum at all. I’m pretty middle ground in respect of my politics but also consider myself woke because I want people to be treated fairly and societal barriers to be removed so everyone has a chance in succeeding in life. | |||
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"My opinion of "woke" and the far right are that they have ideas that work and don't work. I think all in all people need to make decisions based on common sense and not feelings or emotions only. I believe in freedom of speech yet I think in order to have that I must accept someone else's opinion and give them that freedom to use it. I just wish that the very people that consider themselves woke or far right gave each other the time of day to learn a thing or two about their beliefs and ideas. Why would I give someone who sees me as inferior and repungent, purely on the basis of my skin colour, my time and emotional energy? Being “woke” isn’t the other end of the political spectrum from far right either, and I’m fairly sure it doesn’t sit on the spectrum at all. I’m pretty middle ground in respect of my politics but also consider myself woke because I want people to be treated fairly and societal barriers to be removed so everyone has a chance in succeeding in life. Issues relating to treating minoritised people equally being branded left/ far left politics is everything that is wrong with the world. Ding ding ding! I remember a time when being a nahtzee sympathiser was seen as a bad thing and now they want us to be mates? Weird af." Literally! Respect opposing views 🫂 but the opposing views are my right to be treated equally or to live in the country of my birth. | |||
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"My opinion of "woke" and the far right are that they have ideas that work and don't work. I think all in all people need to make decisions based on common sense and not feelings or emotions only. I believe in freedom of speech yet I think in order to have that I must accept someone else's opinion and give them that freedom to use it. I just wish that the very people that consider themselves woke or far right gave each other the time of day to learn a thing or two about their beliefs and ideas. Why would I give someone who sees me as inferior and repungent, purely on the basis of my skin colour, my time and emotional energy? Being “woke” isn’t the other end of the political spectrum from far right either, and I’m fairly sure it doesn’t sit on the spectrum at all. I’m pretty middle ground in respect of my politics but also consider myself woke because I want people to be treated fairly and societal barriers to be removed so everyone has a chance in succeeding in life. Issues relating to treating minoritised people equally being branded left/ far left politics is everything that is wrong with the world. Ding ding ding! I remember a time when being a nahtzee sympathiser was seen as a bad thing and now they want us to be mates? Weird af. Literally! Respect opposing views 🫂 but the opposing views are my right to be treated equally or to live in the country of my birth. " Somehow we’ve reached a point where this is deemed political discussion to do with the left and the right. It’s pathetic | |||
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"My opinion of "woke" and the far right are that they have ideas that work and don't work. I think all in all people need to make decisions based on common sense and not feelings or emotions only. I believe in freedom of speech yet I think in order to have that I must accept someone else's opinion and give them that freedom to use it. I just wish that the very people that consider themselves woke or far right gave each other the time of day to learn a thing or two about their beliefs and ideas. Why would I give someone who sees me as inferior and repungent, purely on the basis of my skin colour, my time and emotional energy? Being “woke” isn’t the other end of the political spectrum from far right either, and I’m fairly sure it doesn’t sit on the spectrum at all. I’m pretty middle ground in respect of my politics but also consider myself woke because I want people to be treated fairly and societal barriers to be removed so everyone has a chance in succeeding in life. Issues relating to treating minoritised people equally being branded left/ far left politics is everything that is wrong with the world. Ding ding ding! I remember a time when being a nahtzee sympathiser was seen as a bad thing and now they want us to be mates? Weird af. Literally! Respect opposing views 🫂 but the opposing views are my right to be treated equally or to live in the country of my birth. Somehow we’ve reached a point where this is deemed political discussion to do with the left and the right. It’s pathetic Completely agree. Maybe if the far right get their way, we will get repatriation compensation and then I can open my beach bar in Antigua and first round will be on me 🤣" I told a dark joke to my mum the other day. I was like, maybe we should just embrace the racist politics gaining popularity so they can get us a free one way trip to Jamaica
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"My opinion of "woke" and the far right are that they have ideas that work and don't work. I think all in all people need to make decisions based on common sense and not feelings or emotions only. I believe in freedom of speech yet I think in order to have that I must accept someone else's opinion and give them that freedom to use it. I just wish that the very people that consider themselves woke or far right gave each other the time of day to learn a thing or two about their beliefs and ideas. Why would I give someone who sees me as inferior and repungent, purely on the basis of my skin colour, my time and emotional energy? Being “woke” isn’t the other end of the political spectrum from far right either, and I’m fairly sure it doesn’t sit on the spectrum at all. I’m pretty middle ground in respect of my politics but also consider myself woke because I want people to be treated fairly and societal barriers to be removed so everyone has a chance in succeeding in life. Issues relating to treating minoritised people equally being branded left/ far left politics is everything that is wrong with the world. Ding ding ding! I remember a time when being a nahtzee sympathiser was seen as a bad thing and now they want us to be mates? Weird af. Literally! Respect opposing views 🫂 but the opposing views are my right to be treated equally or to live in the country of my birth. Somehow we’ve reached a point where this is deemed political discussion to do with the left and the right. It’s pathetic Completely agree. Maybe if the far right get their way, we will get repatriation compensation and then I can open my beach bar in Antigua and first round will be on me 🤣" Compensation
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"My opinion of "woke" and the far right are that they have ideas that work and don't work. I think all in all people need to make decisions based on common sense and not feelings or emotions only. I believe in freedom of speech yet I think in order to have that I must accept someone else's opinion and give them that freedom to use it. I just wish that the very people that consider themselves woke or far right gave each other the time of day to learn a thing or two about their beliefs and ideas. Why would I give someone who sees me as inferior and repungent, purely on the basis of my skin colour, my time and emotional energy? Being “woke” isn’t the other end of the political spectrum from far right either, and I’m fairly sure it doesn’t sit on the spectrum at all. I’m pretty middle ground in respect of my politics but also consider myself woke because I want people to be treated fairly and societal barriers to be removed so everyone has a chance in succeeding in life. Issues relating to treating minoritised people equally being branded left/ far left politics is everything that is wrong with the world. Ding ding ding! I remember a time when being a nahtzee sympathiser was seen as a bad thing and now they want us to be mates? Weird af. Literally! Respect opposing views 🫂 but the opposing views are my right to be treated equally or to live in the country of my birth. Somehow we’ve reached a point where this is deemed political discussion to do with the left and the right. It’s pathetic Completely agree. Maybe if the far right get their way, we will get repatriation compensation and then I can open my beach bar in Antigua and first round will be on me 🤣" If it serves green tea and is wheelchair accessible, I'll be at the front of the queue | |||
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"Didnt “woke” used to be a word for being socially aware... before It became somehow weaponised by the sort of people who should know better ? " Very deliberately weaponised to create culture wars out of equality and dignity for all. | |||
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"My opinion of "woke" and the far right are that they have ideas that work and don't work. I think all in all people need to make decisions based on common sense and not feelings or emotions only. I believe in freedom of speech yet I think in order to have that I must accept someone else's opinion and give them that freedom to use it. I just wish that the very people that consider themselves woke or far right gave each other the time of day to learn a thing or two about their beliefs and ideas. Why would I give someone who sees me as inferior and repungent, purely on the basis of my skin colour, my time and emotional energy? Being “woke” isn’t the other end of the political spectrum from far right either, and I’m fairly sure it doesn’t sit on the spectrum at all. I’m pretty middle ground in respect of my politics but also consider myself woke because I want people to be treated fairly and societal barriers to be removed so everyone has a chance in succeeding in life. Issues relating to treating minoritised people equally being branded left/ far left politics is everything that is wrong with the world. Ding ding ding! I remember a time when being a nahtzee sympathiser was seen as a bad thing and now they want us to be mates? Weird af. Literally! Respect opposing views 🫂 but the opposing views are my right to be treated equally or to live in the country of my birth. Somehow we’ve reached a point where this is deemed political discussion to do with the left and the right. It’s pathetic Completely agree. Maybe if the far right get their way, we will get repatriation compensation and then I can open my beach bar in Antigua and first round will be on me 🤣 Compensation
They'll probably demand compensation for having to deal with it, and erect a monument to their martyrdom in having to undo the 😭 terrible mistake of multiculturalism 😭"I live in hope that by giving up my citizenship to somehow make their lives easier (despite being someone who has committed their life to improving the lives of children across the country), I’d get a little something out of it 😂 | |||
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"My opinion of "woke" and the far right are that they have ideas that work and don't work. I think all in all people need to make decisions based on common sense and not feelings or emotions only. I believe in freedom of speech yet I think in order to have that I must accept someone else's opinion and give them that freedom to use it. I just wish that the very people that consider themselves woke or far right gave each other the time of day to learn a thing or two about their beliefs and ideas. Why would I give someone who sees me as inferior and repungent, purely on the basis of my skin colour, my time and emotional energy? Being “woke” isn’t the other end of the political spectrum from far right either, and I’m fairly sure it doesn’t sit on the spectrum at all. I’m pretty middle ground in respect of my politics but also consider myself woke because I want people to be treated fairly and societal barriers to be removed so everyone has a chance in succeeding in life. Issues relating to treating minoritised people equally being branded left/ far left politics is everything that is wrong with the world. Ding ding ding! I remember a time when being a nahtzee sympathiser was seen as a bad thing and now they want us to be mates? Weird af. Literally! Respect opposing views 🫂 but the opposing views are my right to be treated equally or to live in the country of my birth. Somehow we’ve reached a point where this is deemed political discussion to do with the left and the right. It’s pathetic Completely agree. Maybe if the far right get their way, we will get repatriation compensation and then I can open my beach bar in Antigua and first round will be on me 🤣 Compensation
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I live in hope that by giving up my citizenship to somehow make their lives easier (despite being someone who has committed their life to improving the lives of children across the country), I’d get a little something out of it 😂"I just hope I fly under the radar when some of the worst impulses take hold, tbh  | |||
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"I've no interest in divisive buzzwords. I've no interest in generations or creating generational divides. I've no interest in a problem I haven't created or contributed to and which only seems to affect the great debaters. " Ok boomer | |||
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"I've no interest in divisive buzzwords. I've no interest in generations or creating generational divides. I've no interest in a problem I haven't created or contributed to and which only seems to affect the great debaters. " Mass debaters, surely. | |||
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"Someone took the time out to explain what woke ment. I forgot what they said now and I have even less clue reading this thread. Think I will stay in my own little bubble" To many, it means just treating others with the same respect you'd like to receive yourself. Ie, they're not the same colour as you - so what? They're still a person. They're not dressed how you'd like, so what? They're still a person. They have their own ideas on which gender they prefer to find fun with? So what, they're still a person, etc. To others, it seems to exemplify everything that is wrong in the world. | |||
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"I only know the term from the video game industry and how it's negatively affected that." Steve Bannon has come out and said that gamergate was enormously helpful for the American right wing political agenda | |||
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"Someone took the time out to explain what woke ment. I forgot what they said now and I have even less clue reading this thread. Think I will stay in my own little bubble To many, it means just treating others with the same respect you'd like to receive yourself. Ie, they're not the same colour as you - so what? They're still a person. They're not dressed how you'd like, so what? They're still a person. They have their own ideas on which gender they prefer to find fun with? So what, they're still a person, etc. To others, it seems to exemplify everything that is wrong in the world. " well I do that anyway and always have | |||
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"Someone took the time out to explain what woke ment. I forgot what they said now and I have even less clue reading this thread. Think I will stay in my own little bubble To many, it means just treating others with the same respect you'd like to receive yourself. Ie, they're not the same colour as you - so what? They're still a person. They're not dressed how you'd like, so what? They're still a person. They have their own ideas on which gender they prefer to find fun with? So what, they're still a person, etc. To others, it seems to exemplify everything that is wrong in the world. well I do that anyway and always have" And that's why I've always liked you | |||
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"I only know the term from the video game industry and how it's negatively affected that. Steve Bannon has come out and said that gamergate was enormously helpful for the American right wing political agenda Which one, first or second? I don't know. I just want to play good games without political shit, pushing an agenda and developers telling me they hate me. The first. "Ethics in journalism" Do you regard seeing people who are different to you as evidence that developers hate you? " The journalist don't seem to have any ethics much anymore. Nope. People are entitled to their own opinions and world view. And race, colour and creed mean nothing to me. I'll treat everyone equally and with respect as long as they aren't actively hurting anyone. No. Saying "Cis white male gamers are the problem with the industry" or equivalent makes me think they hate me. | |||
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"I only know the term from the video game industry and how it's negatively affected that. Steve Bannon has come out and said that gamergate was enormously helpful for the American right wing political agenda Which one, first or second? I don't know. I just want to play good games without political shit, pushing an agenda and developers telling me they hate me. The first. "Ethics in journalism" Do you regard seeing people who are different to you as evidence that developers hate you? The journalist don't seem to have any ethics much anymore. Nope. People are entitled to their own opinions and world view. And race, colour and creed mean nothing to me. I'll treat everyone equally and with respect as long as they aren't actively hurting anyone. No. Saying "Cis white male gamers are the problem with the industry" or equivalent makes me think they hate me." Ah, ethics in journalism. Classic flooding the zone | |||
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"I'm interested to see everybody's point of view. Can you describe the woke generation? Try to be polite, no bitching or backstabbing. Be honest. Are they unpopular or are they popular and everybody wants to join in?" Getting back to the original question..... No, I can't describe it. I'm old enough to be Pickles dad. There's been people older, younger and around the same age as me that have commented who have previously (like myself) stated they're happy to be called woke. So I'm massively confused how there can be a 'woke generation' in the first place. 🤔🤷♂️ | |||
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"Jane Fonda explained it the other night. "...empathy is not weak or woke. By the way woke just means you give a damn about other people."" Funnily enough Jane Fonda is proper woke in the original meaning of the word. She has supported the rights of Black people for decades and she supported the Black Panthers in America. She’s a real one. | |||
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"Is it me or has there been an upsurge in people on this site moaning about people they call "woke"? " I'm speaking generally here by the way. | |||
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"Is it me or has there been an upsurge in people on this site moaning about people they call "woke"? I'm speaking generally here by the way." Oh, not that I've noticed. Has there been? Mind you, I've seen a lot of watering down of terms just because someone has disagreed with something another has said. | |||
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"Is it me or has there been an upsurge in people on this site moaning about people they call "woke"? I'm speaking generally here by the way." Since around early November I think 🤔 | |||
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"Is it me or has there been an upsurge in people on this site moaning about people they call "woke"? I'm speaking generally here by the way." It probably falls under Godwins rule which initially discussed how a long drawn out conversation or debate reaches a point where one of the antagonists resorts to calling someone else Hitler because they feel they are being a vocal dictator. It covers most terms now that some throw out in the heat of an argument such as woke or snowflake and they immediately lose all credibility. | |||
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"I'm interested to see everybody's point of view. Can you describe the woke generation? Try to be polite, no bitching or backstabbing. Be honest. Are they unpopular or are they popular and everybody wants to join in?" Kind, ethical and decent. | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand. Yes, just as women need to be more respectable when demanding the vote or (n words) should respect their betters if they want to be accepted as human. If you define everything your opponent says as a strop, you can dismiss it and pat yourself on the back as being Very Special and Very Clever. " Or literally as 3/5 of a human as s××ves were in the USA. | |||
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"I’ll be honest, I don’t really know. I know it gets used by the same people that cry over vegan sausage rolls being called sausage rolls whilst telling everyone else they’re the sensitive ones " Have you actually met **anyone** who has complained about this?? | |||
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"I’ll be honest, I don’t really know. I know it gets used by the same people that cry over vegan sausage rolls being called sausage rolls whilst telling everyone else they’re the sensitive ones Have you actually met **anyone** who has complained about this??" Put the word 'vegan' in front of anything and you could burn a forest down with the heated angry comments | |||
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"If they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't have such immature stroppy outbursts or mentality when asked questions or when certain words are used. If they want to progress and make the world a better place, they need to change the way they present themselves. The outrageous outburst because someone offended them is ridiculous. A mature, respectable, person would approach it differently. To me, the woke group come across as a spoilt, self-centred group of individuals. Just like a child growing up. If a child didn't get something They wanted, they would have a strop wherever they stand. Yes, just as women need to be more respectable when demanding the vote or (n words) should respect their betters if they want to be accepted as human. If you define everything your opponent says as a strop, you can dismiss it and pat yourself on the back as being Very Special and Very Clever. " Well said. | |||
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"I’ll be honest, I don’t really know. I know it gets used by the same people that cry over vegan sausage rolls being called sausage rolls whilst telling everyone else they’re the sensitive ones Have you actually met **anyone** who has complained about this?? Put the word 'vegan' in front of anything and you could burn a forest down with the heated angry comments "I've just eaten a very nice vegan breakfast, except I cheated and added an egg | |||
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"No no.you've been asleep at the back of the class. 'Awake' was commandeered by the alt right Clinton sacrifices babies and drinks their blood brigade a few years ago. Used to describe being aware of the mainstream media amd their conspiracies,but usually aimed at the ones their 'free thinking' ( literally a stupid term used by people who are stupid) influencer/manipulator celeb crushes say are MLS. Almost always these happen to be generally harmless, or outlets with a vague liberal perspective. Woke is for describing people who like to be nice to people and she respect,and freely acknowldge the sometimes centuries of history of abuse/exploitation meted out to certain groups. A good example would be wrongly ascribing wokeness to the National Trust when they added to information about certain country piles like: Pretty house. The miney came from trading people like cattle. Some awake people dodnt like woke people saying this as it was against their right to think that Britain was great (or something) and was like anti patriotic. Cos the good guys are white, amd the bad guys are black, amd NEVER the other way around. Cos like, they're white, which means superior (but im not racist or nuffink guv). They also dont understand subtley. Or nuance.or ask for 'sources' or 'research ' when you say Covid is bad or mask wearing was /is good." Google translate couldn't work that lot out 🤣 | |||
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