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By (user no longer on site) OP
24 weeks ago

Artificial intelligence- in your opinion is it good or bad and why?

I was listening to an interesting article today on the radio saying that AI is there to help determine an issue and find a way to rectify it, but what if the issue is people?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 weeks ago

Crumpet Castle

What is AI Jack ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
24 weeks ago

"What is AI Jack ?"

Artificial intelligence

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 weeks ago

Crumpet Castle

Let me rephrase that in case you say 'artificial intelligence'

I know what AI stands for. I am asking what artificial intelligence means.

I'm asking what it does I guess and how you think it might harm people?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 weeks ago

Crumpet Castle

Too late

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By (user no longer on site) OP
24 weeks ago

"Too late

You kinda know me GC not always on fine form in the morning

I guess for me it removes the need to think or to do your own research

I now see many cv and accompanying letters which have come from ChatGPT

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 weeks ago

Crumpet Castle

"Too late

You kinda know me GC not always on fine form in the morning

I guess for me it removes the need to think or to do your own research

I now see many cv and accompanying letters which have come from ChatGPT

Is that a bad thing to you or a good thing

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 weeks ago

Crumpet Castle

I have to log off n go n eat. Pity AI can't rustle me up some toast.....

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By *itygamesMan
24 weeks ago

i googled artificial.

flowers are intelligent

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By (user no longer on site) OP
24 weeks ago

"Too late

You kinda know me GC not always on fine form in the morning

I guess for me it removes the need to think or to do your own research

I now see many cv and accompanying letters which have come from ChatGPT

Is that a bad thing to you or a good thing "

For me it’s a bad thing as it removes someone individuality or the ability to portray who they are

I am now a believer of the way some companies do it where they don’t like CVs but ask you to give an answer to a question such as “tell us how you dealt with a certain situation” but then I guess that could be produced or even the answers ratified by AI

Maybe I miss the face to face engagement in a lot of circumstances

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 weeks ago

Crumpet Castle

"i googled artificial.

flowers are intelligent

Well that Triffid news

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By *NormalMan01Man
24 weeks ago

Harrogate

I don’t understand what the big issue is, really. It’s been around for years and years. Even from the paper clip in Microsoft word.

Sure it’s become way more common now but it still needs coding and programming. If you think it’s going to overtake jobs, you’re not using it enough to understand its flaws.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
24 weeks ago

"I don’t understand what the big issue is, really. It’s been around for years and years. Even from the paper clip in Microsoft word.

Sure it’s become way more common now but it still needs coding and programming. If you think it’s going to overtake jobs, you’re not using it enough to understand its flaws. "

I don’t think it’ll overtake jobs

I guess, and as you have pointed out, probably don’t understand it fully, but when you can see things that have been clearly scripted from sites as ChatGPT (I am sure there’s others as well) then it removes the need for a person to think as much

But I’ll go back to my cave and try and learn more about it 🫡

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 weeks ago

Crumpet Castle

"Too late

You kinda know me GC not always on fine form in the morning

I guess for me it removes the need to think or to do your own research

I now see many cv and accompanying letters which have come from ChatGPT

Is that a bad thing to you or a good thing

For me it’s a bad thing as it removes someone individuality or the ability to portray who they are

THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME PERSON AS IF THEY'D WRITTEN BY HAND.

AI ENHANCES THEIR ABILITY TO PORTRAY WHO THEY ARE - ALSO ... HAND WRITTEN LETTERS HAVE LIES IN THEM AT TIMES.

SEE ABOVE. SAME ANSWER - THERE IS NO MORE HONESTY IN A DISHONEST PERSON JUST BECAUSE THEY WRITE BY HAND- OR USE E MAIL OR A KEYBOARD. - AT THIS RATE WE WILL BE THINKING THAT THE ONLY TRUTHFUL PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT CHISEL WORDS INTO GRANITE OR WRITE THEM USING THEIR FEET IN SAND.

Maybe I miss the face to face engagement in a lot of circumstances "

AGREED BUT FACE TO FACE ISNT PRESENT IF PEOPLE WRITE LETTERS OR SPEAK ON THE PHONE OR SEND A CARRIER PIGEON.

For me , none of the above reasons are a cause to fear AI. ( though there are MANY reasons to fear AI )

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By (user no longer on site) OP
24 weeks ago

"Too late

You kinda know me GC not always on fine form in the morning

I guess for me it removes the need to think or to do your own research

I now see many cv and accompanying letters which have come from ChatGPT

Is that a bad thing to you or a good thing

For me it’s a bad thing as it removes someone individuality or the ability to portray who they are

THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME PERSON AS IF THEY'D WRITTEN BY HAND.

AI ENHANCES THEIR ABILITY TO PORTRAY WHO THEY ARE - ALSO ... HAND WRITTEN LETTERS HAVE LIES IN THEM AT TIMES.

Maybe I miss the face to face engagement in a lot of circumstances

AGREED BUT FACE TO FACE ISNT PRESENT IF PEOPLE WRITE LETTERS OR SPEAK ON THE PHONE OR SEND A CARRIER PIGEON.

For me , none of the above reasons are a cause to fear AI. ( though there are MANY reasons to fear AI )"

For me block capitals mean you’re shouting at me.

I am not sure I said I fear it but was asking a question

Also can’t be doing be shouted at so I wish you a fantastic day and I’m out

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 weeks ago

Crumpet Castle

Just for the record - those block capitals are no louder than lower case letters.

I used capitals to show my responses.

Promise you I won't be doing again Jack, with you.

Have a great day.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
24 weeks ago

"Just for the record - those block capitals are no louder than lower case letters.

I used capitals to show my responses.

Promise you I won't be doing again Jack, with you.

Have a great day. "

Don’t promise me anything

As I say I’m out and off here.

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By *arahfromwarringtonTV/TS
24 weeks ago

warrington

We need artificial intelligence because the real thing is in very short supply.

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By *NormalMan01Man
24 weeks ago

Harrogate

"I don’t understand what the big issue is, really. It’s been around for years and years. Even from the paper clip in Microsoft word.

Sure it’s become way more common now but it still needs coding and programming. If you think it’s going to overtake jobs, you’re not using it enough to understand its flaws.

I don’t think it’ll overtake jobs

But I’ll go back to my cave and try and learn more about it 🫡"

When you see things which are clearly scripted from chatGPT, you understand it’s many flaws.

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By *eoBloomsMan
24 weeks ago

Springfield

"We need artificial intelligence because the real thing is in very short supply."

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By *es not the MessiahMan
24 weeks ago

3rd rock from the sun

Humans will win as it's no match for natural stupidity

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
24 weeks ago

Coventry

On one hand you could sy AI is like any powerful tool. Both powerful to make great advantage and powerful to destroy.

However I say there's a difference with AI as a tool from anything we've encountered before. And that's regarding AI's potential for it's own autonomy and ability to self evolve. And to me this is the danger that is different from basic computer driven decisions making that only follows set rules. We are handing over control of powerful aspects of our everyday world to AI which may ultimately grow to act in a way that is not good for humanity. The worry is we hand over the means of our destruction without a break lever that can't be bypassed.

And it's early days but growing fast. We've seen for example the rapid development of AI on the battle front. In Ukraine we see the struggle for man power replaced by AI. For example weapons platforms that now act as a human eye, distinguishing freind from foe just based off the visual recognition of uniforms, equipment and characteristics. I don't think it takes much imagination to see where this can all go wrong.

However the genie is out of the bag. I really don't see how you can regulate or control it effectively. It's not the control of nuclear where it involves vast sums of money, access to specialty items, space and knowhow. It's far more accessible, cheap and easier to develop under the RADAR. So I don't see how you can control or regulate effectively? So I think we just have to hope for the best. And of course providing its used right and it doesn't take itself down the wrong path it will be an incredibly useful tool. Unfortunately I fear there are too many avenues for our demise for comfort. It may ultimately be the undoing of the human race.

That's my layman's thoughts on it anyway.

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By *rHotNottsMan
24 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Anybody been watching severance? It’s a very interesting concept where humans stripped of all their knowledge & memory are then taught a set of values / an ideology and used to refine data on a project to resurrect an AI version of the person who wrote the values.

It’s an interesting take on the AI training phase. At the moment even the best LLM’s use a very basic form of training which is just reading existing learned material, skipping out the bit where the learning happened they are just gobbling up the outputs of learning, there is no process of reasoning or learning actually involved in the training phase, which is why the outputs of generative AI applications are so poor currently

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By *ools and the brainCouple
24 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

Due to the lack of "actual intelligence" artificial can't be that bad.

Making sensible decisions that humans are too stupid and emotional to make.

Long live skynet

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By *0ng0 furyMan
24 weeks ago

Birkenhead

we're fucked!

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By *rHotNottsMan
24 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I don’t think I agree that AI is any different to technology that came before it. It is simply bigger more powerful.. we’ve had process control systems for well over five decades used in industry and we have had decision support and expert systems used in finance and business for at least four decades.

So for a long time, computers have had the ability to control things autonomously and to make decisions to act as experts in place of humans.

What’s changed? The amount of money hype and the concept of Moore‘s law which gives a doubling of capacity every 18 months, or having a price for the same capacity)

AI still a dancing Bear held up by massively over inflated stock prices of a few companies (the magnificent 7) that are gonna crash very very badly in the next year or two . Oh look a bear that can dance, but if you look very closely, it’s not dancing very well……

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By *abtastic Mr FoxMan
24 weeks ago

A den in the Glen

The irony that two humans who started off this debate are no longer speaking due to a lack of understanding of each other's intent isn't lost on me. And there's us fearing robots.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 weeks ago

Crumpet Castle

"The irony that two humans who started off this debate are no longer speaking due to a lack of understanding of each other's intent isn't lost on me. And there's us fearing robots."

One human.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
24 weeks ago

Crumpet Castle

You assume too much

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
24 weeks ago

Central

There's a big arms race to develop much more capable AI. My concern is that power rests in too few hands with it. I don't trust the tech billionaires

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By *estructionDollyWoman
24 weeks ago

The Deep Dark Woods

I'm less bothered about chat gpt and more concerned about the use of AI in military settings. Computers are coded to think logically and don't have emotions/empathy, sometimes logic and humanity are in direct conflict.

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By *obilebottomMan
24 weeks ago

All over

Pros: Scope to continue to put in good use as it has done for many years, especially in the fields of research and develoment, health and the advancement of medicine and even supporting those with certain disabilities. It is proving also to be an amazing tool in learning and training with the use of immersive technologies.

Cons: Misappropriation and the need of further development in safeguarfing tools. Also misguided use in services such as customer care where every Tom, Dick and Harry is using it to automate their services often leaving you stuck in a perpertual circle of getting nowhere until you find a way to eventually speak to someone.

It's here, we have to get used to it but also use it appropriately and educate people accordingly rather than create a big hype that scares, misinforms and misappropriates it's use.

Finally, I hope it never takes away the pleasure of enjoying a good cup of coffee and a rather large slice of cake away 🤞

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By *electableicecreamMan
24 weeks ago

The West

I use LLM'S every day and find them incredibly useful as a support tool for my ND brain. The quality of life improvements for me are in the orders of magnitude.

I don't think they are the same as what we had decades ago. The work of Jeffrey Hinton and Co changed everything.

I don't think anyone can predict how the frontier AI models are really going to be used by the general public because the development is so fast right now that most people are unaware of their capabilities.

My worry is big tech. Or the Tech Industrial Complex as Biden called it when he warned the world in his final speech.

Any country that manages to develop a super intelligent AI will have a weapon of unparalleled power which they will immediately use to grab as much financial control in the global economy as possible. They have to. So I think the best we can hope for is something like Nuclear Deterrence.

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
24 weeks ago

Not in your area

I use chatGPT to write code for me when I either don't know how to do it myself, or can't be arsed to do it myself.

I can tell you from experience that chatGPT is still a long way off from being able to take over the world.

Frequently produces incorrect or irrelevant output, sometimes you have to make multiple queries to even get something remotely like what you wanted.

I think AI generated art is ethically problematic, as it literally takes other peoples work, likeness, voice etc and uses it to produce a result.

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By *rHotNottsMan
24 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"I use chatGPT to write code for me when I either don't know how to do it myself, or can't be arsed to do it myself.

I can tell you from experience that chatGPT is still a long way off from being able to take over the world.

Frequently produces incorrect or irrelevant output, sometimes you have to make multiple queries to even get something remotely like what you wanted.

I think AI generated art is ethically problematic, as it literally takes other peoples work, likeness, voice etc and uses it to produce a result."

Code generators have been around for years in fact most of what people are coding by hand nowadays on frameworks is being regenerated under the hood.

Even rarely simple stuff like React, not much is a very new. There used to be a really good website in the late 90s called dynamic drive dot com, I don’t know if it’s still exists but we used to use it to get some really cool UI - blending Ajax with Jacvascript and CSS before things like react existed to do the work for you.

We also used to use things like Page scr*ping and crawling when there were no API’s to get hold of data, DIY web services using hand made XML so what I’m saying is nothing is new it’s just a bit easier and it’s de skilled.

Which is at the centre of AI - the democratisation of low to middle tech skills,

The massive levelling up of entry-level and junior technical people, to the same level as mid-lev engineers. And you see exactly the same in areas like content creation, marketing and even finance.

Before we would use things like Amazon Turk, now we can just pay some more minimum wage and give them ChatGPT to get the same result for things when it’s not very important

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By *0ng0 furyMan
24 weeks ago

Birkenhead

i'm more bothered about the AI's that are being polluted by the likes of Musk, Putin, Xi, Jong Un etc

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By *ootyfruityCouple
24 weeks ago

andover

It’s the future and it’s coming fast, we have to go along with it, wether good or bad, time will tell

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By *mf123Man
24 weeks ago

with one foot out the door

Bad technology will destroy humans 1 way or another either they become termimators or we become so reliant on it that we fade away and become something else

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
24 weeks ago

Reading

I am very worried about it being in the hands of the likes of Musk. AI is going to have a massive influence on all of our lives.

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By *wingingphil69Man
24 weeks ago

castleford

Hopefully it will work for Starmer if not we are f—ked

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By *he Silver FuxMan
24 weeks ago

Uttoxeter

I haven’t seen many positive uses of AI - maybe medical diagnosis.

AI is in the hands of corporations and individuals who want to manipulate, gain power and make money.

On a side note AI porn and deepfaking etc just creeps me out.

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By *inkShyWoman
24 weeks ago

near Windsor

I just used it to plan a 3 week road trip, that would have taken me hours or days to plan, so on that area I think it's great. Beyond tasks like that, I don't really know enough.

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By *electableicecreamMan
24 weeks ago

The West

"I haven’t seen many positive uses of AI - maybe medical diagnosis.

AI is in the hands of corporations and individuals who want to manipulate, gain power and make money.

On a side note AI porn and deepfaking etc just creeps me out."

Alphafold is pretty incredible in terms of research and advancing medical fields.

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