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"Haven't there been female F1 drivers? Also some athletics competitions have mixed relay teams which seem to work well." Didn't know that? Mrs x | |||
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"Haven't there been female F1 drivers? Also some athletics competitions have mixed relay teams which seem to work well.Didn't know that? Mrs x" In the mixed relays the teams choose who runs which leg so you see men running against women and really appreciate the huge differences in physical power, especially at elite levels. | |||
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, because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell 
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"Haven't there been female F1 drivers? Also some athletics competitions have mixed relay teams which seem to work well.Didn't know that? Mrs x In the mixed relays the teams choose who runs which leg so you see men running against women and really appreciate the huge differences in physical power, especially at elite levels." Oh ok, but men and woman shouldn't compete individually in athletics. Men would hammer the woman, they are just so much bigger, stronger and faster. Mrs x | |||
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"I think motor racing is one of the few sports where it could work. I don’t think it is out of the question to see a mixed F1 grid within the next 10 years. Other sports I think will struggle with mixed teams." Yes, what you say makes sense. | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery. "Well said, another sport would be horse racing I'd presume, with the horse doing most of the physical work whilst the rider provides the skill. Mrs x | |||
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"I agree that trans-women shouldn’t be taking part in women’s sports and teams for obvious biological physical reasons. Trans-women should not be allowed to serve their sentences in women’s prisons either, unless perhaps they have been fully emasculated (castration and penis removal) physically? A large proportion of criminals claiming to be trans-women and wanting to go women’s prisons are not only sex offenders (including rapists) but many only remember to claim that they are trans-women after they are arrested! This is obviously not a reflection on trans-women or a reason to believe that many of us are sexual criminals, just a demonstration that criminals can and will take advantage of ‘self-identification as trans’ for their own ends and advantage." Yikes, all of this is transphobic nonsense | |||
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"Haven't there been female F1 drivers? Also some athletics competitions have mixed relay teams which seem to work well.Didn't know that? Mrs x In the mixed relays the teams choose who runs which leg so you see men running against women and really appreciate the huge differences in physical power, especially at elite levels.Oh ok, but men and woman shouldn't compete individually in athletics. Men would hammer the woman, they are just so much bigger, stronger and faster. Mrs x" Absolutely agree. | |||
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"Haven't there been female F1 drivers? Also some athletics competitions have mixed relay teams which seem to work well." There have been in F1, but none have raced since the early 90s. Although I seem to remember Susie Wolff completing a practice session at the German grand Prix a few years ago as a test driver | |||
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"Haven't there been female F1 drivers? Also some athletics competitions have mixed relay teams which seem to work well. There have been in F1, but none have raced since the early 90s. Although I seem to remember Susie Wolff completing a practice session at the German grand Prix a few years ago as a test driver" Thanks, its not a sport I follow much but had a memory of women drivers. | |||
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"I agree that trans-women shouldn’t be taking part in women’s sports and teams for obvious biological physical reasons. Trans-women should not be allowed to serve their sentences in women’s prisons either, unless perhaps they have been fully emasculated (castration and penis removal) physically? A large proportion of criminals claiming to be trans-women and wanting to go women’s prisons are not only sex offenders (including rapists) but many only remember to claim that they are trans-women after they are arrested! This is obviously not a reflection on trans-women or a reason to believe that many of us are sexual criminals, just a demonstration that criminals can and will take advantage of ‘self-identification as trans’ for their own ends and advantage. Yikes, all of this is transphobic nonsense" Transphobic? This was posted by a Trans woman i think, Mrs x | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery. "Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death. Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life? | |||
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" Yikes, all of this is transphobic nonsenseTransphobic? This was posted by a Trans woman i think, Mrs x" So? Still transphobic talking points. The false assumption that anyone pretends to be trans to commit crimes. And also the assumption that trans women retain male strength is just false. A recent study showed trans women on HRT have a physical *disadvantage* compared to cis women. | |||
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"I think that Trump is a divisive fascist and using the trans community as a political punching bag for further division. He’s using the Olympics as a further tool. Systematically stripping and destroying communities rights; women, trans, any minority group. We’ve seen this before… " 🥱🥱🥱 🥪 | |||
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"I agree that trans-women shouldn’t be taking part in women’s sports and teams for obvious biological physical reasons. Trans-women should not be allowed to serve their sentences in women’s prisons either, unless perhaps they have been fully emasculated (castration and penis removal) physically? A large proportion of criminals claiming to be trans-women and wanting to go women’s prisons are not only sex offenders (including rapists) but many only remember to claim that they are trans-women after they are arrested! This is obviously not a reflection on trans-women or a reason to believe that many of us are sexual criminals, just a demonstration that criminals can and will take advantage of ‘self-identification as trans’ for their own ends and advantage." Try not to let facts get in the way of a good old rant eh? While this thread isn’t about prisoners let’s address this If someone is in possession of a GRC (gender recognition certificate) at the time of conviction then a full risk assessment must be carried out before the offenders prison is allocated. This is why almost 80% of trans women prisoners are currently in male prisons. If they do not possess such a certificate they’ll be allocated initially based on legal gender and can apply to switch. This again involves a full risk assessment PLUS the onus is on the offender to prove they are trans. Evidence to support should include: Written evidence from gender identity clinics and gp. A formal diagnosis of gender dysphoria, a legal name change, evidence of years living under your chosen gender, evidence from official sources of use of name change and identity…. The list is rather long so I won’t type it all. If someone begins to transition in prison then it will be a long time before they’d be able to apply for a change of prison due to the need for all the evidence. Again the same risk assessment would be carried out after they’ve submitted that evidence. Source: friend of mine is a prison psych. I asked, they sent a copy of the guide to transgender in prisons book. It’s available to find with any good search engine. | |||
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"I agree that trans-women shouldn’t be taking part in women’s sports and teams for obvious biological physical reasons. Trans-women should not be allowed to serve their sentences in women’s prisons either, unless perhaps they have been fully emasculated (castration and penis removal) physically? A large proportion of criminals claiming to be trans-women and wanting to go women’s prisons are not only sex offenders (including rapists) but many only remember to claim that they are trans-women after they are arrested! This is obviously not a reflection on trans-women or a reason to believe that many of us are sexual criminals, just a demonstration that criminals can and will take advantage of ‘self-identification as trans’ for their own ends and advantage. Yikes, all of this is transphobic nonsense" What is? Am I a ‘transphobic’ trans-woman then? Did you bother to read what I actually wrote or are you just jumping on the virtue signalling bandwagon? The facts about male criminals, especially sex offenders, claiming to be trans-women, often rather suddenly, are there for anyone to see. | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?"But don't all sports people have egos and that's why they compete, to prove they are the best? Also there are tonnes of deaths in motorsport when just men are competing, I'm not sure that would increase because woman competed against the guys. It's just a very dangerous sport, Mrs x | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?"This is a really interesting subject that I hope doesn't get derailed by references to Trump who you didn't even mention. It's quite possible that evolutionary psychology has left men with a more competitive and risk taking nature, especially at the high performing end of the scale. In simple terms men have always been more disposable that women so it's made evolutionary sense for them to take risks. Men are far more likely to have gambling addictions for example. | |||
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"I agree that trans-women shouldn’t be taking part in women’s sports and teams for obvious biological physical reasons. Trans-women should not be allowed to serve their sentences in women’s prisons either, unless perhaps they have been fully emasculated (castration and penis removal) physically? A large proportion of criminals claiming to be trans-women and wanting to go women’s prisons are not only sex offenders (including rapists) but many only remember to claim that they are trans-women after they are arrested! This is obviously not a reflection on trans-women or a reason to believe that many of us are sexual criminals, just a demonstration that criminals can and will take advantage of ‘self-identification as trans’ for their own ends and advantage. Try not to let facts get in the way of a good old rant eh? While this thread isn’t about prisoners let’s address this If someone is in possession of a GRC (gender recognition certificate) at the time of conviction then a full risk assessment must be carried out before the offenders prison is allocated. This is why almost 80% of trans women prisoners are currently in male prisons. If they do not possess such a certificate they’ll be allocated initially based on legal gender and can apply to switch. This again involves a full risk assessment PLUS the onus is on the offender to prove they are trans. Evidence to support should include: Written evidence from gender identity clinics and gp. A formal diagnosis of gender dysphoria, a legal name change, evidence of years living under your chosen gender, evidence from official sources of use of name change and identity…. The list is rather long so I won’t type it all. If someone begins to transition in prison then it will be a long time before they’d be able to apply for a change of prison due to the need for all the evidence. Again the same risk assessment would be carried out after they’ve submitted that evidence. Source: friend of mine is a prison psych. I asked, they sent a copy of the guide to transgender in prisons book. It’s available to find with any good search engine." Try looking up what has happened in Scotland, where the rules were indeed different! | |||
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"I'm OK with keeping womens sports Trans free, I would prefer Trans to have their own Olympics wether they be male to female female to male. Women on the male motor racing circuit I don't think should happen, yes they should have their own championship racing league like football. The reason both genders would end up killing eachother to win. Both genders egos would take it to a even more dangerous level. Also I don't see the point with genders racing against each other. What do you think on the subjects? " You are talking absolute bobbins about motorsport. There are some brilliant female racers past and present. Drivers egos push them to take risks in motorsport anyway so gender has nothing to do with it. Why is there no point in women racing against men? Ask any rally driver who raced against Michelle Mouton in the 80s how good she was in those batshit crazy group B cars. | |||
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"I agree that trans-women shouldn’t be taking part in women’s sports and teams for obvious biological physical reasons. Trans-women should not be allowed to serve their sentences in women’s prisons either, unless perhaps they have been fully emasculated (castration and penis removal) physically? A large proportion of criminals claiming to be trans-women and wanting to go women’s prisons are not only sex offenders (including rapists) but many only remember to claim that they are trans-women after they are arrested! This is obviously not a reflection on trans-women or a reason to believe that many of us are sexual criminals, just a demonstration that criminals can and will take advantage of ‘self-identification as trans’ for their own ends and advantage. Try not to let facts get in the way of a good old rant eh? While this thread isn’t about prisoners let’s address this If someone is in possession of a GRC (gender recognition certificate) at the time of conviction then a full risk assessment must be carried out before the offenders prison is allocated. This is why almost 80% of trans women prisoners are currently in male prisons. If they do not possess such a certificate they’ll be allocated initially based on legal gender and can apply to switch. This again involves a full risk assessment PLUS the onus is on the offender to prove they are trans. Evidence to support should include: Written evidence from gender identity clinics and gp. A formal diagnosis of gender dysphoria, a legal name change, evidence of years living under your chosen gender, evidence from official sources of use of name change and identity…. The list is rather long so I won’t type it all. If someone begins to transition in prison then it will be a long time before they’d be able to apply for a change of prison due to the need for all the evidence. Again the same risk assessment would be carried out after they’ve submitted that evidence. Source: friend of mine is a prison psych. I asked, they sent a copy of the guide to transgender in prisons book. It’s available to find with any good search engine. Try looking up what has happened in Scotland, where the rules were indeed different!" The Bryson case yes? In the aftermath of which the government changed the law and now all prisoners have the new risk assessments? | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery. Well said, another sport would be horse racing I'd presume, with the horse doing most of the physical work whilst the rider provides the skill. Mrs x"Yes, of course, and I think that most if not all British horse racing is mixed now  , and there is no reason why it shouldn’t be, as with a few other things. | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?
This is a really interesting subject that I hope doesn't get derailed by references to Trump who you didn't even mention. It's quite possible that evolutionary psychology has left men with a more competitive and risk taking nature, especially at the high performing end of the scale. In simple terms men have always been more disposable that women so it's made evolutionary sense for them to take risks. Men are far more likely to have gambling addictions for example."Over get you haha. And you are right, never forget men are disposable, no your place haha, Mrs x | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?
This is a really interesting subject that I hope doesn't get derailed by references to Trump who you didn't even mention. It's quite possible that evolutionary psychology has left men with a more competitive and risk taking nature, especially at the high performing end of the scale. In simple terms men have always been more disposable that women so it's made evolutionary sense for them to take risks. Men are far more likely to have gambling addictions for example.Over get you haha. And you are right, never forget men are disposable, no your place haha, Mrs x"We do ! 🤣 | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?But don't all sports people have egos and that's why they compete, to prove they are the best?
Also there are tonnes of deaths in motorsport when just men are competing, I'm not sure that would increase because woman competed against the guys. It's just a very dangerous sport, Mrs x"Very true. I wonder how people would react if a female driver died competing in a final crucial championship race and a male driver won because of it. | |||
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"Well I for one can't be accused of transphobia... I used to watch Trans World Sport every week 🥪" 🤣 | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?"In essence anyone putting on a helmet and participating in competitive motorsport and driving to win is putting their life at risk, regardless of the gender of their fellow competitors | |||
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"Well I for one can't be accused of transphobia... I used to watch Trans World Sport every week 🥪" Washington that a thing, didn't think there'd be enough demand to watch Trans sports weekly... Mrs x | |||
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"I agree that trans-women shouldn’t be taking part in women’s sports and teams for obvious biological physical reasons. Trans-women should not be allowed to serve their sentences in women’s prisons either, unless perhaps they have been fully emasculated (castration and penis removal) physically? A large proportion of criminals claiming to be trans-women and wanting to go women’s prisons are not only sex offenders (including rapists) but many only remember to claim that they are trans-women after they are arrested! This is obviously not a reflection on trans-women or a reason to believe that many of us are sexual criminals, just a demonstration that criminals can and will take advantage of ‘self-identification as trans’ for their own ends and advantage. Yikes, all of this is transphobic nonsense" Not transphobic my lovely, just news items today, just topical. | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?
In essence anyone putting on a helmet and participating in competitive motorsport and driving to win is putting their life at risk, regardless of the gender of their fellow competitors "True, but I'm sure I wouldn't want to see a female driver die in a live F1 race on a Sunday afternoon, bad enough a male driver. From the drivers point of view they're prepared for that occurrence but from a spectators point of view, is it worth it, just to prove a point? Yes we know women can drive at 200 mph and beat male drivers already, but does the entertainment value outway the risk? | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?
In essence anyone putting on a helmet and participating in competitive motorsport and driving to win is putting their life at risk, regardless of the gender of their fellow competitors
True, but I'm sure I wouldn't want to see a female driver die in a live F1 race on a Sunday afternoon, bad enough a male driver. From the drivers point of view they're prepared for that occurrence but from a spectators point of view, is it worth it, just to prove a point?
Yes we know women can drive at 200 mph and beat male drivers already, but does the entertainment value outway the risk?"I think we are viewing it from totally different perspectives. I don’t think a female driver is at any more risk of an accident driving at ten tenths against the competition than a male driver. For any gender the point you are trying to prove is that you are the best, against the available competition, gender is not an issue here When you are trying to win, entertainment is not what you are focusing on. | |||
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" What is? Am I a ‘transphobic’ trans-woman then? Did you bother to read what I actually wrote or are you just jumping on the virtue signalling bandwagon? The facts about male criminals, especially sex offenders, claiming to be trans-women, often rather suddenly, are there for anyone to see." I absolutely read what you said, and sorry but you are parroting transphobic talking points. The idea that men in prison are pretending to be trans is a false narrative used to keep trans women like you and I in male prisons where they are more likely to be subjected to physical and sexual violence. | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?
In essence anyone putting on a helmet and participating in competitive motorsport and driving to win is putting their life at risk, regardless of the gender of their fellow competitors
True, but I'm sure I wouldn't want to see a female driver die in a live F1 race on a Sunday afternoon, bad enough a male driver. From the drivers point of view they're prepared for that occurrence but from a spectators point of view, is it worth it, just to prove a point?
Yes we know women can drive at 200 mph and beat male drivers already, but does the entertainment value outway the risk?"Think it's best if you asked a female driver, only they could answer this since they are the one weighing up the risk reward here, Mrs x | |||
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" What is? Am I a ‘transphobic’ trans-woman then? Did you bother to read what I actually wrote or are you just jumping on the virtue signalling bandwagon? The facts about male criminals, especially sex offenders, claiming to be trans-women, often rather suddenly, are there for anyone to see. I absolutely read what you said, and sorry but you are parroting transphobic talking points. The idea that men in prison are pretending to be trans is a false narrative used to keep trans women like you and I in male prisons where they are more likely to be subjected to physical and sexual violence." Don't you think the idea of segregation may help, like they do for vulnerable prisoners and prisoners at risk of harm from the prison population, such as how they segregate sex offenders for their own safety, Mrs x | |||
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" I absolutely read what you said, and sorry but you are parroting transphobic talking points. The idea that men in prison are pretending to be trans is a false narrative used to keep trans women like you and I in male prisons where they are more likely to be subjected to physical and sexual violence.Don't you think the idea of segregation may help, like they do for vulnerable prisoners and prisoners at risk of harm from the prison population, such as how they segregate sex offenders for their own safety, Mrs x" There’s a trans woman (she’s medically and socially transitioned) in Peterborough men’s prison currently who is being held in seclusion for her own safety. Long term seclusion is considered a form of torture by Amnesty Internstional. Is that really what you want for us? | |||
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" I absolutely read what you said, and sorry but you are parroting transphobic talking points. The idea that men in prison are pretending to be trans is a false narrative used to keep trans women like you and I in male prisons where they are more likely to be subjected to physical and sexual violence.Don't you think the idea of segregation may help, like they do for vulnerable prisoners and prisoners at risk of harm from the prison population, such as how they segregate sex offenders for their own safety, Mrs x There’s a trans woman (she’s medically and socially transitioned) in Peterborough men’s prison currently who is being held in seclusion for her own safety. Long term seclusion is considered a form of torture by Amnesty Internstional. Is that really what you want for us?" This thread is about sport and motor racing! 🤦♂️ | |||
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" I absolutely read what you said, and sorry but you are parroting transphobic talking points. The idea that men in prison are pretending to be trans is a false narrative used to keep trans women like you and I in male prisons where they are more likely to be subjected to physical and sexual violence.Don't you think the idea of segregation may help, like they do for vulnerable prisoners and prisoners at risk of harm from the prison population, such as how they segregate sex offenders for their own safety, Mrs x There’s a trans woman (she’s medically and socially transitioned) in Peterborough men’s prison currently who is being held in seclusion for her own safety. Long term seclusion is considered a form of torture by Amnesty Internstional. Is that really what you want for us?" You sure it's seclusion and not segregation? Mrs x | |||
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"I agree that trans-women shouldn’t be taking part in women’s sports and teams for obvious biological physical reasons. Trans-women should not be allowed to serve their sentences in women’s prisons either, unless perhaps they have been fully emasculated (castration and penis removal) physically? A large proportion of criminals claiming to be trans-women and wanting to go women’s prisons are not only sex offenders (including rapists) but many only remember to claim that they are trans-women after they are arrested! This is obviously not a reflection on trans-women or a reason to believe that many of us are sexual criminals, just a demonstration that criminals can and will take advantage of ‘self-identification as trans’ for their own ends and advantage." | |||
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"I’d love to see a great f1 trans driver competing with them. Let’s go baby. Gotta find done young trans into cars and train them up " Again, not sure I want to see a transperson die in a live race on a Sunday afternoon, in a cockpit, bits of plastic and metal strewn all over a Brazillian track. | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?
In essence anyone putting on a helmet and participating in competitive motorsport and driving to win is putting their life at risk, regardless of the gender of their fellow competitors
True, but I'm sure I wouldn't want to see a female driver die in a live F1 race on a Sunday afternoon, bad enough a male driver. From the drivers point of view they're prepared for that occurrence but from a spectators point of view, is it worth it, just to prove a point?
Yes we know women can drive at 200 mph and beat male drivers already, but does the entertainment value outway the risk?"Surely they would be there by the skill level they have shown.... not sure why you would think it would be 'entertaining' just because it's a woman? | |||
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" You sure it's seclusion and not segregation? Mrs x What’s the difference if you are on your own?" Because she's not, she's on a medical 'ward' with 8 cells.Shes secluded, away from the main prison population. Segregation is a different thing all together. If that was the case she'd be down the 'block', segregated in isolation for a period of punishment buts that not the case here. The most recent report by HMP inspectorate states that in Peterborough... Support for transgender prisoners was excellent. Staff had a good working knowledge of the gender transition process and were able to provide support that was greatly appreciated by prisoners and helped reduce their anxieties. This included contacting health professionals and external agencies involved in the decision-making process for approving gender recognition certification.' However that said the report does highlight problems with 'time out of cells' being limited to two hours for the general population, falling to one hour for vulnerable prisoners, which she is. So it's not as sensational a story as it's trying to be portrayed and these issues are faced by most, if not all the prisoners in Peterborough. The reports comments about "time out of cells" were... "Following completion of the induction programme, prisoners had a poor regime, with only two hours a day out of cell, and this was worse for vulnerable prisoners who only had one hour out of cell each day. Prisoners often waited far too long before being allocated to education, skills, or work activity to keep them busy and get more time out of cell" Hope that clears up some of tge issues here, the report is from Jan 2024. Mrs x | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?
In essence anyone putting on a helmet and participating in competitive motorsport and driving to win is putting their life at risk, regardless of the gender of their fellow competitors
True, but I'm sure I wouldn't want to see a female driver die in a live F1 race on a Sunday afternoon, bad enough a male driver. From the drivers point of view they're prepared for that occurrence but from a spectators point of view, is it worth it, just to prove a point?
Yes we know women can drive at 200 mph and beat male drivers already, but does the entertainment value outway the risk?
I think we are viewing it from totally different perspectives.
I don’t think a female driver is at any more risk of an accident driving at ten tenths against the competition than a male driver.
For any gender the point you are trying to prove is that you are the best, against the available competition, gender is not an issue here
When you are trying to win, entertainment is not what you are focusing on.
"This.. and also María de Villota, Jessi Combes, Vivian Lewis, Angela Lucas, Laura Salvo, Sophia Floersch. Women have died in motorsport, women have been seriously injured, It is treated the same as when the men die. The people it affects the most are the other drivers on the track, their race family, their blood relatives and their friends. It is devastating when anyone passes away doing any extreme sport, but this is a risk we take when we take on motorsport. People have been losing life, limb and cognitive capacity since the inception of motorised vehicles. Women were some of the first racers. They have always competed against men. Racers are just that, racers, it doesn't matter who is in front of you, or what gender they are, what matters is that they arent behind you. Any good driver/rider knows, you push yourself and your vehicles as hard as YOU can. If someone else can drive faster, you try to learn from them, see what they are doing differently and come back next time. You don't win races by trying to beat the other person, you win races by trying to be the absolute best you can be and by doing that, being better than everyone else on the track. If you get too entangled in what the other person is doing on the track you quickly forget what you should be doing in order to be fast. Target fixation is more likely to cost lives on track than pushing your vehicle a little harder. As a woman, self-taught/community-taught mechanic, rider, driver and motorsport enthusiast in all aspects , I can tell you that most people who are out there racing, don't care who they are racing against, age, gender, race, hair colour, number of limbs etc. As long as they are having a good clean race. | |||
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"The awful and largely born out of great ignorance, hatred and lack of empathy, affects us all, as any of us might have experienced issues with our sexual development, including problematic and harmful sexual identification or changes, without our consent. This is bigger than just sports participation, it covers life itself and often imposition of a life that's wrong for someone. And we can't forget that many people become suicidal, may take their life or suffer hatred and violence from others. We need to expand our love and tolerance for others, many of whom are different. Instead, we get the ignoramuses forcing the likes of DEI programme closures. Life can be tough for too many. Let's not jump on that bandwagon. " Definitely I agree tolerance is a big factor. However in a competitive sports scenario it presents some unbalanced situations ie boxing, weight lifting, Judo, Greco Wrestling. A female up against a hefty trans female seems a bit unfair and where do we draw the line. Suppose China field a team of trans women in rugby 7's and keep winning, under current rules they could. | |||
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"The awful and largely born out of great ignorance, hatred and lack of empathy, affects us all, as any of us might have experienced issues with our sexual development, including problematic and harmful sexual identification or changes, without our consent. This is bigger than just sports participation, it covers life itself and often imposition of a life that's wrong for someone. And we can't forget that many people become suicidal, may take their life or suffer hatred and violence from others. We need to expand our love and tolerance for others, many of whom are different. Instead, we get the ignoramuses forcing the likes of DEI programme closures. Life can be tough for too many. Let's not jump on that bandwagon. Definitely I agree tolerance is a big factor. However in a competitive sports scenario it presents some unbalanced situations ie boxing, weight lifting, Judo, Greco Wrestling. A female up against a hefty trans female seems a bit unfair and where do we draw the line. Suppose China field a team of trans women in rugby 7's and keep winning, under current rules they could." The other issue with Trans woman competing against woman is that it could literally wipe out the ambitions and aspirations of young girls, who trained most of their lives only to be 'teplaced' by someone who was born male. The advantages for these Trans athletes is huge, they are just bigger, faster, stronger than their competitors. Why can't they introduce a Trans category, that seems to me to be a fairer option. Mrs x | |||
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"I’d love to see a great f1 trans driver competing with them. Let’s go baby. Gotta find done young trans into cars and train them up Again, not sure I want to see a transperson die in a live race on a Sunday afternoon, in a cockpit, bits of plastic and metal strewn all over a Brazillian track. " Some of us enjoy dangerous sports. I do amateur racing for many years. It’s great sport | |||
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" Definitely I agree tolerance is a big factor. However in a competitive sports scenario it presents some unbalanced situations ie boxing, weight lifting, Judo, Greco Wrestling. A female up against a hefty trans female seems a bit unfair and where do we draw the line. Suppose China field a team of trans women in rugby 7's and keep winning, under current rules they could. Unfair why? It’s been proven that trans women on testosterone suppression underperform compared to cis women in every measure." Does testosterone reduce VO2 max, physically make your lungs smaller? Don't think it does. Mrs x | |||
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" Definitely I agree tolerance is a big factor. However in a competitive sports scenario it presents some unbalanced situations ie boxing, weight lifting, Judo, Greco Wrestling. A female up against a hefty trans female seems a bit unfair and where do we draw the line. Suppose China field a team of trans women in rugby 7's and keep winning, under current rules they could. Unfair why? It’s been proven that trans women on testosterone suppression underperform compared to cis women in every measure." It hasn't been proven....take Lea Thomas as just one of many examples of the opposite! By the conclusion of Thomas's swimming career at UPenn in 2022, her rank had moved from 65th on the men's team to 1st on the women's team in the 500-yard freestyle, and 554th on the men's team to fifth on the women's team in the 200-yard freestyle | |||
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"The awful and largely born out of great ignorance, hatred and lack of empathy, affects us all, as any of us might have experienced issues with our sexual development, including problematic and harmful sexual identification or changes, without our consent. This is bigger than just sports participation, it covers life itself and often imposition of a life that's wrong for someone. And we can't forget that many people become suicidal, may take their life or suffer hatred and violence from others. We need to expand our love and tolerance for others, many of whom are different. Instead, we get the ignoramuses forcing the likes of DEI programme closures. Life can be tough for too many. Let's not jump on that bandwagon. Definitely I agree tolerance is a big factor. However in a competitive sports scenario it presents some unbalanced situations ie boxing, weight lifting, Judo, Greco Wrestling. A female up against a hefty trans female seems a bit unfair and where do we draw the line. Suppose China field a team of trans women in rugby 7's and keep winning, under current rules they could.The other issue with Trans woman competing against woman is that it could literally wipe out the ambitions and aspirations of young girls, who trained most of their lives only to be 'teplaced' by someone who was born male. The advantages for these Trans athletes is huge, they are just bigger, faster, stronger than their competitors. Why can't they introduce a Trans category, that seems to me to be a fairer option. Mrs x" There isn’t enough trans athletes to warrant it though. No one would watch it look how piss poor women’s sport is views generally stats wise globally vs male sports. (It’s David vs Goliath ) Now imagine a handful of trans women / men it would be deader than a morgue and that’s before all the mockery / pundits ripping the piss , no real sponsorship etc . The kicking DEI into oblivion rolling out this year will put to bed that notion The harsh reality is trans people currently are being dehumanised by chunks of society outside of sports. Thanks to trump / some political leaders. So sport is a dead duck ultimately currently off the back of that If trans people started to be reported in positive light with other things then perhaps going forward sport representation could develop as a niche down the line but when we are told we are dishonest people / unfit to serve / of no morals from the president of the greatest country on earth then it doesn’t bode well how other other countries will soon follow suit . Best I could see currently is they get rolled into disabled sports under mental illness / disability at some level perhaps. The mental aspect seems to be narrative trump admin is pushing for . I just think currently the world isn’t ready for trans women in sports at a professional level and it’s a reality the tiny number of trans will have to accept going forward | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery.
Being a leveler could be the danger, a male driver could push him or a female driver over the edge possibly resulting in death.
Have you ever had to push yourself and your car even harder than normal to beat a male opponent, because he is a male, to the extent you risked your life?
In essence anyone putting on a helmet and participating in competitive motorsport and driving to win is putting their life at risk, regardless of the gender of their fellow competitors
True, but I'm sure I wouldn't want to see a female driver die in a live F1 race on a Sunday afternoon, bad enough a male driver. From the drivers point of view they're prepared for that occurrence but from a spectators point of view, is it worth it, just to prove a point?
Yes we know women can drive at 200 mph and beat male drivers already, but does the entertainment value outway the risk?"Why would it be worse to see that s female racing driver died in motorsport vs a male driver? They're both willingly racing and possibly in the same race. Surely anyone dying in motorsports is a bad thing, there's not grades of bad? | |||
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"The awful and largely born out of great ignorance, hatred and lack of empathy, affects us all, as any of us might have experienced issues with our sexual development, including problematic and harmful sexual identification or changes, without our consent. This is bigger than just sports participation, it covers life itself and often imposition of a life that's wrong for someone. And we can't forget that many people become suicidal, may take their life or suffer hatred and violence from others. We need to expand our love and tolerance for others, many of whom are different. Instead, we get the ignoramuses forcing the likes of DEI programme closures. Life can be tough for too many. Let's not jump on that bandwagon. Definitely I agree tolerance is a big factor. However in a competitive sports scenario it presents some unbalanced situations ie boxing, weight lifting, Judo, Greco Wrestling. A female up against a hefty trans female seems a bit unfair and where do we draw the line. Suppose China field a team of trans women in rugby 7's and keep winning, under current rules they could.The other issue with Trans woman competing against woman is that it could literally wipe out the ambitions and aspirations of young girls, who trained most of their lives only to be 'teplaced' by someone who was born male. The advantages for these Trans athletes is huge, they are just bigger, faster, stronger than their competitors. Why can't they introduce a Trans category, that seems to me to be a fairer option. Mrs x There isn’t enough trans athletes to warrant it though. No one would watch it look how piss poor women’s sport is views generally stats wise globally vs male sports. (It’s David vs Goliath ) Now imagine a handful of trans women / men it would be deader than a morgue and that’s before all the mockery / pundits ripping the piss , no real sponsorship etc . The kicking DEI into oblivion rolling out this year will put to bed that notion The harsh reality is trans people currently are being dehumanised by chunks of society outside of sports. Thanks to trump / some political leaders. So sport is a dead duck ultimately currently off the back of that If trans people started to be reported in positive light with other things then perhaps going forward sport representation could develop as a niche down the line but when we are told we are dishonest people / unfit to serve / of no morals from the president of the greatest country on earth then it doesn’t bode well how other other countries will soon follow suit . Best I could see currently is they get rolled into disabled sports under mental illness / disability at some level perhaps. The mental aspect seems to be narrative trump admin is pushing for . I just think currently the world isn’t ready for trans women in sports at a professional level and it’s a reality the tiny number of trans will have to accept going forward " That seems like a very common sense post but being Trans is not a disability and should never be included in any definition as such, but I can see why you've said that given the list of different categories within disabled sports. Not sure I've said but loving that new profile pic, little obsessed with it if I'm honest. If I said you have a tremendous chest would you hold that against me? 😍😘😍 Mrs x | |||
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"The awful and largely born out of great ignorance, hatred and lack of empathy, affects us all, as any of us might have experienced issues with our sexual development, including problematic and harmful sexual identification or changes, without our consent. This is bigger than just sports participation, it covers life itself and often imposition of a life that's wrong for someone. And we can't forget that many people become suicidal, may take their life or suffer hatred and violence from others. We need to expand our love and tolerance for others, many of whom are different. Instead, we get the ignoramuses forcing the likes of DEI programme closures. Life can be tough for too many. Let's not jump on that bandwagon. Definitely I agree tolerance is a big factor. However in a competitive sports scenario it presents some unbalanced situations ie boxing, weight lifting, Judo, Greco Wrestling. A female up against a hefty trans female seems a bit unfair and where do we draw the line. Suppose China field a team of trans women in rugby 7's and keep winning, under current rules they could.The other issue with Trans woman competing against woman is that it could literally wipe out the ambitions and aspirations of young girls, who trained most of their lives only to be 'teplaced' by someone who was born male. The advantages for these Trans athletes is huge, they are just bigger, faster, stronger than their competitors. Why can't they introduce a Trans category, that seems to me to be a fairer option. Mrs x There isn’t enough trans athletes to warrant it though. No one would watch it look how piss poor women’s sport is views generally stats wise globally vs male sports. (It’s David vs Goliath ) Now imagine a handful of trans women / men it would be deader than a morgue and that’s before all the mockery / pundits ripping the piss , no real sponsorship etc . The kicking DEI into oblivion rolling out this year will put to bed that notion The harsh reality is trans people currently are being dehumanised by chunks of society outside of sports. Thanks to trump / some political leaders. So sport is a dead duck ultimately currently off the back of that If trans people started to be reported in positive light with other things then perhaps going forward sport representation could develop as a niche down the line but when we are told we are dishonest people / unfit to serve / of no morals from the president of the greatest country on earth then it doesn’t bode well how other other countries will soon follow suit . Best I could see currently is they get rolled into disabled sports under mental illness / disability at some level perhaps. The mental aspect seems to be narrative trump admin is pushing for . I just think currently the world isn’t ready for trans women in sports at a professional level and it’s a reality the tiny number of trans will have to accept going forward " I think women's football has come on leaps bounds, I prefer to watch a female game infact. I would definitely watch an all trans v trans football game. I think it would work a, full trans Olympics. I think the west at least is at the stage to introduce it to our tv screens. If only to piss off the Thaliban. The diversity experiment was shot dowm because it was forced onto society rather than organically nutured. Too much too soon, hence the current backlash, the school situation too much for some to take. Do we actually need a trans boxer in the Olympics, that kind of back fired. | |||
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" It hasn't been proven....take Lea Thomas as just one of many examples of the opposite! By the conclusion of Thomas's swimming career at UPenn in 2022, her rank had moved from 65th on the men's team to 1st on the women's team in the 500-yard freestyle, and 554th on the men's team to fifth on the women's team in the 200-yard freestyle" The only trans woman you’ve ever heard of lol | |||
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"I think that Trump is a divisive fascist and using the trans community as a political punching bag for further division. He’s using the Olympics as a further tool. Systematically stripping and destroying communities rights; women, trans, any minority group. We’ve seen this before… " don't think anyone asked what you thought of trump lol dunno why some people on the left be so bitter and toxic it just pours out them it be rather embarrassing and all for someone protecting women and childrens rights | |||
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"Oh look a squirrel. Male,female or trans? Does the squirrel have nuts? " Nope but he must play Rugby cos he has odd shaped balls, Mrs x | |||
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"Oh look a squirrel. Male,female or trans? Does the squirrel have nuts? " I'll ask my friend Hazel she knows all about nuts. | |||
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" don't think anyone asked what you thought of trump lol dunno why some people on the left be so bitter and toxic it just pours out them it be rather embarrassing and all for someone protecting women and childrens rights Trump protecting women’s rights? Lol pull the other one " Personally I am bored of BOTH sides using my existence as some kind of point scoring project. | |||
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"I agree that trans-women shouldn’t be taking part in women’s sports and teams for obvious biological physical reasons. Trans-women should not be allowed to serve their sentences in women’s prisons either, unless perhaps they have been fully emasculated (castration and penis removal) physically? A large proportion of criminals claiming to be trans-women and wanting to go women’s prisons are not only sex offenders (including rapists) but many only remember to claim that they are trans-women after they are arrested! This is obviously not a reflection on trans-women or a reason to believe that many of us are sexual criminals, just a demonstration that criminals can and will take advantage of ‘self-identification as trans’ for their own ends and advantage." Does this mean my transmasculine partner would have to go to women's prison, with his fully finished lower surgery and a penis that can be fully erect indefinitely? For prisons there should probably be some sort of threshold for already recognised steps towards transition at least I think. Someone is at least on the waiting list for male to female surgery, has been on the hormones and documented living as a woman for a decent amount of time? The odds of someone going through all that just so that if they ever get arrested they go to women's prison are pretty slim. And the absolute danger they're put in by placing them in a men's prison isn't humane. Someone clearly presenting as male claiming they're trans with zero prior history at the point of arrest or later? Fuck no to those ones. As to motorsports, it's one of the competitions where gender doesn't infer a particular direct advantage, so why shouldn't they compete against each other? In directly gendered sporting competitions where there's an obvious advantage it's a different matter 💜 | |||
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" don't think anyone asked what you thought of trump lol dunno why some people on the left be so bitter and toxic it just pours out them it be rather embarrassing and all for someone protecting women and childrens rights Trump protecting women’s rights? Lol pull the other one " if you don't think banning trans people from women's sport is protecting the rights of women that's entirely your opinion and you most certainly have the right to your opinion just as much as I. Personally I don't try to force my opinion on anyone the left seem to have a very different opinion on that matter they seem to relish forcing their views on others and claim to be a victim when people don't accept their opinion as facts look at the just stop oil lunatics they are a shining example. | |||
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"Motor racing doesn't qualify as sport. " It does need skill, mental and physical stamina, incorporates tech involves stats, point scoring and trophies as awards. Also has national Anthems and sponsors. A bit like football but not so many sex scandals. | |||
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" It hasn't been proven....take Lea Thomas as just one of many examples of the opposite! By the conclusion of Thomas's swimming career at UPenn in 2022, her rank had moved from 65th on the men's team to 1st on the women's team in the 500-yard freestyle, and 554th on the men's team to fifth on the women's team in the 200-yard freestyle The only trans woman you’ve ever heard of lol" only took one to prove you wrong...again....🥪 | |||
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" if you don't think banning trans people from women's sport is protecting the rights of women that's entirely your opinion and you most certainly have the right to your opinion just as much as I. Personally I don't try to force my opinion on anyone the left seem to have a very different opinion on that matter they seem to relish forcing their views on others and claim to be a victim when people don't accept their opinion as facts look at the just stop oil lunatics they are a shining example. Fact check.. Trump banning trans women from women’s sports will affect all of … 10 trans athletes. Whereas Trump banning abortion will affect millions of women." you clearly don't realise how serious Americans take sport at all levels from high-school to professional levels so the orders trump has signed this week will protect millions of women in the u.s I don't believe Trump has signed any executive orders banning abortion across 50 states in the last few weeks but if you have any evidence to the contrary I would be very interested in where that is sourced. The majority of abortion issues within the u.s are on a state level they have state laws and federal laws in the u.s incase you didn't realise they have a completely different politcal system than the uk there are no federal abortion laws in the u.s so trump isn't responsible for any laws individual states deceide to pass so if you want to talk about facts you might want research some before claiming your opinions to be factual. | |||
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" if you don't think banning trans people from women's sport is protecting the rights of women that's entirely your opinion and you most certainly have the right to your opinion just as much as I. Personally I don't try to force my opinion on anyone the left seem to have a very different opinion on that matter they seem to relish forcing their views on others and claim to be a victim when people don't accept their opinion as facts look at the just stop oil lunatics they are a shining example. Fact check.. Trump banning trans women from women’s sports will affect all of … 10 trans athletes. Whereas Trump banning abortion will affect millions of women. you clearly don't realise how serious Americans take sport at all levels from high-school to professional levels so the orders trump has signed this week will protect millions of women in the u.s I don't believe Trump has signed any executive orders banning abortion across 50 states in the last few weeks but if you have any evidence to the contrary I would be very interested in where that is sourced. The majority of abortion issues within the u.s are on a state level they have state laws and federal laws in the u.s incase you didn't realise they have a completely different politcal system than the uk there are no federal abortion laws in the u.s so trump isn't responsible for any laws individual states deceide to pass so if you want to talk about facts you might want research some before claiming your opinions to be factual." https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/01/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-enforces-overwhelmingly-popular-demand-to-stop-taxpayer-funding-of-abortion/ Banning may not be the word. But removing access to safe reproductive care is absolutely something he's actively doing. | |||
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" you clearly don't realise how serious Americans take sport at all levels from high-school to professional levels so the orders trump has signed this week will protect millions of women in the u.s I don't believe Trump has signed any executive orders banning abortion across 50 states in the last few weeks but if you have any evidence to the contrary I would be very interested in where that is sourced. The majority of abortion issues within the u.s are on a state level they have state laws and federal laws in the u.s incase you didn't realise they have a completely different politcal system than the uk there are no federal abortion laws in the u.s so trump isn't responsible for any laws individual states deceide to pass so if you want to talk about facts you might want research some before claiming your opinions to be factual." It’s absolute nonsense to suggest that this is intended to protect women at all. It’s intended to erase trans people from public life. | |||
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" if you don't think banning trans people from women's sport is protecting the rights of women that's entirely your opinion and you most certainly have the right to your opinion just as much as I. Personally I don't try to force my opinion on anyone the left seem to have a very different opinion on that matter they seem to relish forcing their views on others and claim to be a victim when people don't accept their opinion as facts look at the just stop oil lunatics they are a shining example. Fact check.. Trump banning trans women from women’s sports will affect all of … 10 trans athletes. Whereas Trump banning abortion will affect millions of women. you clearly don't realise how serious Americans take sport at all levels from high-school to professional levels so the orders trump has signed this week will protect millions of women in the u.s I don't believe Trump has signed any executive orders banning abortion across 50 states in the last few weeks but if you have any evidence to the contrary I would be very interested in where that is sourced. The majority of abortion issues within the u.s are on a state level they have state laws and federal laws in the u.s incase you didn't realise they have a completely different politcal system than the uk there are no federal abortion laws in the u.s so trump isn't responsible for any laws individual states deceide to pass so if you want to talk about facts you might want research some before claiming your opinions to be factual. https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/01/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-enforces-overwhelmingly-popular-demand-to-stop-taxpayer-funding-of-abortion/ Banning may not be the word. But removing access to safe reproductive care is absolutely something he's actively doing." She clearly said trump was banning abortion she was clealry wrong the u.s has a very different politcal system and health care system than the uk there is no nhs in the usa if you notice in the link it says overwhelmingly popular and that's what the leader of a country is supposed to do they are supposed to listen to overwhelmingly popular opinions in their own country not worry about what other countries with different systems think about them I know we are used to politicians ignoring overwhelmingly popular requests from voters but that doesn't mean the usa cant have a leader that actually listens to his people rather than worrying about what a country no bigger than a single state the other side of the world wants to say about it. | |||
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" you clearly don't realise how serious Americans take sport at all levels from high-school to professional levels so the orders trump has signed this week will protect millions of women in the u.s I don't believe Trump has signed any executive orders banning abortion across 50 states in the last few weeks but if you have any evidence to the contrary I would be very interested in where that is sourced. The majority of abortion issues within the u.s are on a state level they have state laws and federal laws in the u.s incase you didn't realise they have a completely different politcal system than the uk there are no federal abortion laws in the u.s so trump isn't responsible for any laws individual states deceide to pass so if you want to talk about facts you might want research some before claiming your opinions to be factual. It’s absolute nonsense to suggest that this is intended to protect women at all. It’s intended to erase trans people from public life." you are more than entitled to that opinion but there's a big difference between someone's opinion and a fact. | |||
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"She clearly said trump was banning abortion she was clealry wrong the u.s has a very different politcal system and health care system than the uk there is no nhs in the usa if you notice in the link it says overwhelmingly popular and that's what the leader of a country is supposed to do they are supposed to listen to overwhelmingly popular opinions in their own country not worry about what other countries with different systems think about them I know we are used to politicians ignoring overwhelmingly popular requests from voters but that doesn't mean the usa cant have a leader that actually listens to his people rather than worrying about what a country no bigger than a single state the other side of the world wants to say about it. " Trump removing access to safe abortion will negatively affect the actual lives of millions of women. Trump banning trans athletes will salve the pride of some people who don't have anything else to worry about. | |||
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"She clearly said trump was banning abortion she was clealry wrong the u.s has a very different politcal system and health care system than the uk there is no nhs in the usa if you notice in the link it says overwhelmingly popular and that's what the leader of a country is supposed to do they are supposed to listen to overwhelmingly popular opinions in their own country not worry about what other countries with different systems think about them I know we are used to politicians ignoring overwhelmingly popular requests from voters but that doesn't mean the usa cant have a leader that actually listens to his people rather than worrying about what a country no bigger than a single state the other side of the world wants to say about it. Trump removing access to safe abortion will negatively affect the actual lives of millions of women. Trump banning trans athletes will salve the pride of some people who don't have anything else to worry about." Again if that's your opinion that's okay you are more than entitled to believe that as much as it's okay for me to believe otherwise this is a president that has been in office for a few weekes out of a 4 year term is he going to solve all of americas problems in 3 weeks? Of course not is he going to get every decision 100% correct and make everyone happy? Of course not please tell me any politician in history that made decisions that everyone was happy about but he is a politcal leader that listens to his public and voters whether you or me agrees with the American people or not at least he listens to them thats much better than the spineless politicians that run our little island ignoring anything that voters want. | |||
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" Again if that's your opinion that's okay you are more than entitled to believe that as much as it's okay for me to believe otherwise this is a president that has been in office for a few weekes out of a 4 year term is he going to solve all of americas problems in 3 weeks? Of course not is he going to get every decision 100% correct and make everyone happy? Of course not please tell me any politician in history that made decisions that everyone was happy about but he is a politcal leader that listens to his public and voters whether you or me agrees with the American people or not at least he listens to them thats much better than the spineless politicians that run our little island ignoring anything that voters want." This is an opinion lol But men always think their opinions are fact | |||
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" Again if that's your opinion that's okay you are more than entitled to believe that as much as it's okay for me to believe otherwise this is a president that has been in office for a few weekes out of a 4 year term is he going to solve all of americas problems in 3 weeks? Of course not is he going to get every decision 100% correct and make everyone happy? Of course not please tell me any politician in history that made decisions that everyone was happy about but he is a politcal leader that listens to his public and voters whether you or me agrees with the American people or not at least he listens to them thats much better than the spineless politicians that run our little island ignoring anything that voters want. This is an opinion lol But men always think their opinions are fact" Sexism is no different from rasism bigotry is bigotry so you are only showing your true self to the world with language like that. Please tell me where I said everything that I said was a fact? In fact if you actually read what I said to prey to the fairies rather than see what you want to see you'll see I said she is entitled to her opinion as much as I am entitled to mine I was then asked a question and gave an answer with examples you trying to bend and twist things because you can't dispute those facts is just comical and meaningless when you end with a bigoted sexist statement | |||
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" Sexism is no different from rasism bigotry is bigotry so you are only showing your true self to the world with language like that. Please tell me where I said everything that I said was a fact? In fact if you actually read what I said to prey to the fairies rather than see what you want to see you'll see I said she is entitled to her opinion as much as I am entitled to mine I was then asked a question and gave an answer with examples you trying to bend and twist things because you can't dispute those facts is just comical and meaningless when you end with a bigoted sexist statement " You’re literally advocating for trans people to be erased from public life, and I’m the bigot? Absurd | |||
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"The focus, once again, seems to be trans women in sport, nothing about trans men in sport? Why is that, I wonder? " Because they were born as woman they don't have any potential advantage, physically, or male sportsmen, Mrs x | |||
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" Sexism is no different from rasism bigotry is bigotry so you are only showing your true self to the world with language like that. Please tell me where I said everything that I said was a fact? In fact if you actually read what I said to prey to the fairies rather than see what you want to see you'll see I said she is entitled to her opinion as much as I am entitled to mine I was then asked a question and gave an answer with examples you trying to bend and twist things because you can't dispute those facts is just comical and meaningless when you end with a bigoted sexist statement You’re literally advocating for trans people to be erased from public life, and I’m the bigot? Absurd" Your belief that his executive order is attempting to " erase trans people from public life" is your opinion that doesn't make it a fact therefore has no relevance to my support of his executive order the fact you did come out with a sexist comment would make you a bigot if you believe that anyone who comes out with sexism or racism is a bigot if you do not believe that then you are unlikely to accept that as a conclusion. As for absurd well the person who started this thread in the first place for the most part either accepts or supports what trump has said they certainly aren't giving an impression that they disagree with it so are you actually suggesting that this person who has a tv/ts profile rather than single m f or couple p  e are advocating to "erase trans people from public life"? Or are they entitled to agree with it but me a single male isn't? Rather confused by your logic. | |||
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"The focus, once again, seems to be trans women in sport, nothing about trans men in sport? Why is that, I wonder? Because they were born as woman they don't have any potential advantage, physically, or male sportsmen, Mrs x Lol I know loads of trans men who are hench af" My transmasculine partner is the only one who can really throw my Amazonian ass around the bedroom. None of my naturally male partners come close on strength despite him being only 5ft3 💜 | |||
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"The focus, once again, seems to be trans women in sport, nothing about trans men in sport? Why is that, I wonder? Transphobes always forget that trans men exist so now anyone who doesn't agree with you is transphobe? Again I would point to the fact the op doesn't have the same opinion as you based on what they initially have said are you suggesting the op is transphobe? Or just anyone else who disagrees with your point of view?" Nope, anyone who advocates for removing trans people’s rights are transphobes. That’s not just “disagreeing with a point of view”, that’s systemic oppression. | |||
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"I'm OK with keeping womens sports Trans free, I would prefer Trans to have their own Olympics wether they be male to female female to male. Women on the male motor racing circuit I don't think should happen, yes they should have their own championship racing league like football. The reason both genders would end up killing eachother to win. Both genders egos would take it to a even more dangerous level. Also I don't see the point with genders racing against each other. What do you think on the subjects? " Trans women shouldn't compete against biological females at any level, and I don't see a problem with women driving F1 competing with men. They know the risks and get paid a lot for taking them. | |||
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"I'm OK with keeping womens sports Trans free, I would prefer Trans to have their own Olympics wether they be male to female female to male. Women on the male motor racing circuit I don't think should happen, yes they should have their own championship racing league like football. The reason both genders would end up killing eachother to win. Both genders egos would take it to a even more dangerous level. Also I don't see the point with genders racing against each other. What do you think on the subjects? " I don't know about the first bit but motorsports is thankfully heading towards being more inclusive. There is absolutely no reason why women can't race against men... the Iron dames are an all women team that are doing very well. Ana carasco who won the women's world championship last year actually was competing against guys for many years before and was doing exceptionally well. Slowly women are getting the chances they deserve and proving themselves to be just as capable Cali | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
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Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery. Well said, another sport would be horse racing I'd presume, with the horse doing most of the physical work whilst the rider provides the skill. Mrs x"Female jockeys regularly race against male ones. P | |||
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"Transfolks in physical based sports is not something I can comment on, but I truly believe that women and men can and should compete in motorsport, intellectual and intelligence-based fields and anything that does not involve requiring a physical advantage to best your opponent. I have been a pit mechanic, worked with men and women in motorsport, and ridden/driven on the road/track with some of the best people. And one thing I can absolutely say with no uncertainty is being a woman or a man makes little difference once you are at 150+mph in a modern vehicle, it's all about reaction times and confidence, I have been around men who I could outdrive in my sleep, women who would whoop my behind in theirs. Gender has no bearing on how mentally unwell you are , because anyone who throws themselves around a track on a tank of fuel at 150+ or in a car stripped out to bare metal and with nothing but a roll cage and a helmet between you and certain death is in some way mentally unwell
Speaking from my own experience of course haha!
Motorsport is a leveller, you put that lid on, you get in/on your vehicle and its down to skill, talent and bravery. Well said, another sport would be horse racing I'd presume, with the horse doing most of the physical work whilst the rider provides the skill. Mrs x
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"Most top moto gp or bike riders are fitter than most footballers or other athletes x I think people underestimate how fit footballers actually are. Most outfield players run the equivalent of a quarter marathon every game. Hanging on to a 300bhp motorcycle flat out for nearly an hour or dealing with the G forces of an F1 car requires even more fitness that that. An F1 car can generate 5G through a corner, that’s the equivalent of five people of your own weight pushing against you. That seems like it's more strength as opposed to cardio, but obviously racing drivers are not typically huge Adonis types Lewis Hamilton for example is 5'8" and weighs 73kg. He's both shorter and lighter than I am." At that level of motorsport weight is closely linked to performance too, it’s said an extra 10lbs of weight can cost you a tenth of a second a lap. | |||
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" A quick perusal of world records in just about every* physical sport shows that, at an elite level, men are faster and stronger than women. * There are a few ultra records that were held by women but in most cases they have since been regained by men. Jasmine Paris and Nicky Spinks are two such UK examples who have held outright records and lost them to men** ** I believe Nicky Spinks still holds the record for fastest cumulative time for a double completion of all 3 major UK mountain rounds but then again is the only person to have done it. P" All of them cis. These statistics tell you nothing about the performance of trans people. | |||
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"Most top moto gp or bike riders are fitter than most footballers or other athletes x I think people underestimate how fit footballers actually are. Most outfield players run the equivalent of a quarter marathon every game. That’s exactly the point. Footballers at the top level are incredibly fit. But a MotoGP rider or top level GT or F1 driver is fitter still. 2 hours racing in an F1 car in somewhere like Malaysia or Thailand is a proper endurance sport. " It is a different kind of fitness. You take a top athlete from any sport and they will likely struggle with many of the basic requirements in other sports. | |||
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" A quick perusal of world records in just about every* physical sport shows that, at an elite level, men are faster and stronger than women. * There are a few ultra records that were held by women but in most cases they have since been regained by men. Jasmine Paris and Nicky Spinks are two such UK examples who have held outright records and lost them to men** ** I believe Nicky Spinks still holds the record for fastest cumulative time for a double completion of all 3 major UK mountain rounds but then again is the only person to have done it. P All of them cis. These statistics tell you nothing about the performance of trans people." What is 'cis' ? | |||
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" A quick perusal of world records in just about every* physical sport shows that, at an elite level, men are faster and stronger than women. * There are a few ultra records that were held by women but in most cases they have since been regained by men. Jasmine Paris and Nicky Spinks are two such UK examples who have held outright records and lost them to men** ** I believe Nicky Spinks still holds the record for fastest cumulative time for a double completion of all 3 major UK mountain rounds but then again is the only person to have done it. P All of them cis. These statistics tell you nothing about the performance of trans people. What is 'cis' ?" How can you be on here and not know what that means!? Even I know! | |||
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" A quick perusal of world records in just about every* physical sport shows that, at an elite level, men are faster and stronger than women. * There are a few ultra records that were held by women but in most cases they have since been regained by men. Jasmine Paris and Nicky Spinks are two such UK examples who have held outright records and lost them to men** ** I believe Nicky Spinks still holds the record for fastest cumulative time for a double completion of all 3 major UK mountain rounds but then again is the only person to have done it. P All of them cis. These statistics tell you nothing about the performance of trans people. What is 'cis' ? How can you be on here and not know what that means!? Even I know!" I'm old Nora, I can't be expected to keep up with all this new lingo ! | |||
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" A quick perusal of world records in just about every* physical sport shows that, at an elite level, men are faster and stronger than women. * There are a few ultra records that were held by women but in most cases they have since been regained by men. Jasmine Paris and Nicky Spinks are two such UK examples who have held outright records and lost them to men** ** I believe Nicky Spinks still holds the record for fastest cumulative time for a double completion of all 3 major UK mountain rounds but then again is the only person to have done it. P All of them cis. These statistics tell you nothing about the performance of trans people. What is 'cis' ?" Cis means you match the gender you were assigned at birth also known as afab and amab. So I am a cis woman. | |||
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" A quick perusal of world records in just about every* physical sport shows that, at an elite level, men are faster and stronger than women. * There are a few ultra records that were held by women but in most cases they have since been regained by men. Jasmine Paris and Nicky Spinks are two such UK examples who have held outright records and lost them to men** ** I believe Nicky Spinks still holds the record for fastest cumulative time for a double completion of all 3 major UK mountain rounds but then again is the only person to have done it. P All of them cis. These statistics tell you nothing about the performance of trans people. What is 'cis' ? Cis means you match the gender you were assigned at birth also known as afab and amab. So I am a cis woman." | |||
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"If there is anyone who qualifies as an "expert" on this subject, it's Caitlyn Jenner. A former Olympic gold medal winner as a male, and now a trans woman. She is very opposed to trans-women competing against cis women." She’s rich and privileged and therefore is going to buffered from institutional transphobia | |||
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"I can see Trumps view when it comes to physical contact sports and allowing a person who was born male to then pummel a person who was born female. Men by nature are physically stronger, hit harder than women. This was highlighted in the boxing at the last Olympics when the female opponent said she'd never been punched in the face so hard in all of her sporting career. " Trans women are not men And Imane Khelif is not trans | |||
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"If there is anyone who qualifies as an "expert" on this subject, it's Caitlyn Jenner. A former Olympic gold medal winner as a male, and now a trans woman. She is very opposed to trans-women competing against cis women." I agree, I feel the best option is to have a separate Olympics for all in the trans community. Or at least separate medal categories in the main Olympics. Like women have 100m, men have 100m. Trans could have Transgender 100m. So they are still included on the same stage. | |||
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"If there is anyone who qualifies as an "expert" on this subject, it's Caitlyn Jenner. A former Olympic gold medal winner as a male, and now a trans woman. She is very opposed to trans-women competing against cis women. I agree, I feel the best option is to have a separate Olympics for all in the trans community. Or at least separate medal categories in the main Olympics. Like women have 100m, men have 100m. Trans could have Transgender 100m. So they are still included on the same stage. " There aren’t enough trans athletes for this to be a thing. There’s only about 10 professional trans athletes in the world. So this is effectively a ban, there is no alternative measure. But let’s be clear that trans people in sport is a wedge issue to try and remove rights from trans people completely, and Trump has also announced that trans people will no longer be allowed to update the gender on their passport. | |||
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"But let’s also be clear that this policy also bans trans kids from playing sport in school, which is just unnecessarily cruel." But does it really, thought children weren't able to Trans until the hit maturity, Mrs x | |||
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"I can see Trumps view when it comes to physical contact sports and allowing a person who was born male to then pummel a person who was born female. Men by nature are physically stronger, hit harder than women. This was highlighted in the boxing at the last Olympics when the female opponent said she'd never been punched in the face so hard in all of her sporting career. Trans women are not men And Imane Khelif is not trans " Imane Khelif was born female. Has natural female genitalia. How is one woman hitting really hard highlighting why trans women shouldn't be allowed in female sports? | |||
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"But let’s also be clear that this policy also bans trans kids from playing sport in school, which is just unnecessarily cruel.But does it really, thought children weren't able to Trans until the hit maturity, Mrs x" There’s plenty of kids who transition as teenagers or younger, and they already have a hard enough time without the government interfering | |||
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"But let’s also be clear that this policy also bans trans kids from playing sport in school, which is just unnecessarily cruel.But does it really, thought children weren't able to Trans until the hit maturity, Mrs x There’s plenty of kids who transition as teenagers or younger, and they already have a hard enough time without the government interfering " Thought they'd stopped puberty blockers now, maybe I'm wrong. And when you say plenty what sort of figures are you talking about? Mrs x | |||
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" Thought they'd stopped puberty blockers now, maybe I'm wrong. And when you say plenty what sort of figures are you talking about? Mrs x" Stopping providing healthcare to trans kids doesn’t mean those kids stop being trans 🙄 | |||
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"Most top moto gp or bike riders are fitter than most footballers or other athletes x I think people underestimate how fit footballers actually are. Most outfield players run the equivalent of a quarter marathon every game. Hanging on to a 300bhp motorcycle flat out for nearly an hour or dealing with the G forces of an F1 car requires even more fitness that that. An F1 car can generate 5G through a corner, that’s the equivalent of five people of your own weight pushing against you. That seems like it's more strength as opposed to cardio, but obviously racing drivers are not typically huge Adonis types Lewis Hamilton for example is 5'8" and weighs 73kg. He's both shorter and lighter than I am. At that level of motorsport weight is closely linked to performance too, it’s said an extra 10lbs of weight can cost you a tenth of a second a lap. " The weight issue starts early on in motorsport, they have different classes in karting down to your weight, if your too light then weights are added to make it even. I believe we will see women come into F1 but sadly it’s what they can bring to the team money wise that holds them back, sponsorship is a huge deal in getting that seat | |||
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" Thought they'd stopped puberty blockers now, maybe I'm wrong. And when you say plenty what sort of figures are you talking about? Mrs x Stopping providing healthcare to trans kids doesn’t mean those kids stop being trans 🙄" Not all kids who think they are Trans are Trans, lots are just confused going through puberty. You make a statement and when challenged don't answer it but go onto something else. This approach doesn't strengthen your argument. I think you know that kids in the UK cannot Trans until they hit maturity. It takes awhile for the whole process to be completed which means your statement about excluding Trans kids is just not correct, there maybe kids who are thinking about Transitioning but there are no Yrans kids therefore they cannot be excluded. Mrs x | |||
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" Thought they'd stopped puberty blockers now, maybe I'm wrong. And when you say plenty what sort of figures are you talking about? Mrs x Stopping providing healthcare to trans kids doesn’t mean those kids stop being trans 🙄" So you don't know or are refusing to say. And these kids are not having healthcare withheld, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Mrs x | |||
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"Most top moto gp or bike riders are fitter than most footballers or other athletes x I think people underestimate how fit footballers actually are. Most outfield players run the equivalent of a quarter marathon every game. Hanging on to a 300bhp motorcycle flat out for nearly an hour or dealing with the G forces of an F1 car requires even more fitness that that. An F1 car can generate 5G through a corner, that’s the equivalent of five people of your own weight pushing against you. That seems like it's more strength as opposed to cardio, but obviously racing drivers are not typically huge Adonis types Lewis Hamilton for example is 5'8" and weighs 73kg. He's both shorter and lighter than I am. At that level of motorsport weight is closely linked to performance too, it’s said an extra 10lbs of weight can cost you a tenth of a second a lap. The weight issue starts early on in motorsport, they have different classes in karting down to your weight, if your too light then weights are added to make it even. I believe we will see women come into F1 but sadly it’s what they can bring to the team money wise that holds them back, sponsorship is a huge deal in getting that seat" thankfully I think it will change.. we have some big names pushing for women into racing now. Moto gp riders apparently have to be fit enough to run a marathon as well as strong enough to move the bike around. There are many riders that are tiny but male.. so no reason why women can't manage that too. Valentino Rossi was recently asked about what if his daughter wanted to race.. he said he would help her if that was her dream... If that happens it will open many doors Cali | |||
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"If there is anyone who qualifies as an "expert" on this subject, it's Caitlyn Jenner. A former Olympic gold medal winner as a male, and now a trans woman. She is very opposed to trans-women competing against cis women. I agree, I feel the best option is to have a separate Olympics for all in the trans community. Or at least separate medal categories in the main Olympics. Like women have 100m, men have 100m. Trans could have Transgender 100m. So they are still included on the same stage. There aren’t enough trans athletes for this to be a thing. There’s only about 10 professional trans athletes in the world. So this is effectively a ban, there is no alternative measure. But let’s be clear that trans people in sport is a wedge issue to try and remove rights from trans people completely, and Trump has also announced that trans people will no longer be allowed to update the gender on their passport." | |||
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"It's not cis woman, it's just woman, Mrs x" It's like arguing that a car that is blue is not a blue car, it's just a car. Providing clarity on the subgroup doesn't make it incorrect. | |||
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"If there is anyone who qualifies as an "expert" on this subject, it's Caitlyn Jenner. A former Olympic gold medal winner as a male, and now a trans woman. She is very opposed to trans-women competing against cis women.It's not cis woman, it's just woman, Mrs x Im a cis woman. Have you always been a cis woman though? Mrs x Yep from birth that's what the term means. Did I always know the term? No but once l knew better I did better." If anyone used the word cis in a conversation with me, I'd just assume they're a far left weirdo and I'd walk off because they're about to say something extremely stupid, the same as people with pronouns in their bio or email ..delete! 🥪 | |||
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"If there is anyone who qualifies as an "expert" on this subject, it's Caitlyn Jenner. A former Olympic gold medal winner as a male, and now a trans woman. She is very opposed to trans-women competing against cis women.It's not cis woman, it's just woman, Mrs x Im a cis woman. Have you always been a cis woman though? Mrs x Yep from birth that's what the term means. Did I always know the term? No but once l knew better I did better." You weren't 15 years ago, it didn't make it into the dictionary before then. So what were you before, just a woman and what does tge prefix add to that definition of yourself that was missing from the term woman. You know, the difference that was large enough to make you feel you had to change and use it? Mrs x | |||
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" So what were you before, just a woman and what does tge prefix add to that definition of yourself that was missing from the term woman. You know, the difference that was large enough to make you feel you had to change and use it? Mrs x" It’s not a prefix it’s an adjective, and it’s useful if needing to distinguish between trans people and cis people in sentence. No need to use it otherwise. | |||
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" Stopping providing healthcare to trans kids doesn’t mean those kids stop being trans 🙄So you don't know or are refusing to say. And these kids are not having healthcare withheld, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Mrs x" What else do you think banning puberty blockers is? It’s denying them healthcare. | |||
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" So what were you before, just a woman and what does tge prefix add to that definition of yourself that was missing from the term woman. You know, the difference that was large enough to make you feel you had to change and use it? Mrs x It’s not a prefix it’s an adjective, and it’s useful if needing to distinguish between trans people and cis people in sentence. No need to use it otherwise." We have the word trans to distinguish | |||
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"If there is anyone who qualifies as an "expert" on this subject, it's Caitlyn Jenner. A former Olympic gold medal winner as a male, and now a trans woman. She is very opposed to trans-women competing against cis women.It's not cis woman, it's just woman, Mrs x Im a cis woman. Have you always been a cis woman though? Mrs x Yep from birth that's what the term means. Did I always know the term? No but once l knew better I did better.You weren't 15 years ago, it didn't make it into the dictionary before then. So what were you before, just a woman and what does tge prefix add to that definition of yourself that was missing from the term woman. You know, the difference that was large enough to make you feel you had to change and use it? Mrs x" I had never met a trans person 15 years ago. My sister is just like you. She went nuts at me when I referred to a woman like that even though in the context it was exactly correct to use it. But she still doesn't know any trans people. I also wasn't a postmenopausal woman before I was. | |||
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"It's not cis woman, it's just woman, Mrs x It's like arguing that a car that is blue is not a blue car, it's just a car. Providing clarity on the subgroup doesn't make it incorrect." Not a great example, has anyone said a different coloured person was not a person? If you were born with different anatomy and then changed those bits then you need a term to recognise this, that ter being Trans, because you have transitioned from one to another. But woman, who identify as their biological sex, have not changed anything are just woman. You don't need a prefix to establish you've changed because you haven't, surely that's obvious. Cis is a useless descriptor, adds nothing to the description of the term woman. We don't do this toasting else. We don't say canine dog or carbon wood. We don't do this because we know dogs are canines and that wood is made from carbon. You only need to add a descriptor if its not original, such as a robotic dog, or artificial wood, like they use on flooring. But if you remain the same, and identify as, your biological birth sex then you have not changed, not done anything g to change and therefore don't required an additional set of prefix. You could as easily say 'Still A Woman' and it would have the same useless meaning as Cis but that's ridiculous too. Mrs x | |||
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" We have the word trans to distinguish I bet you don’t have a problem with the word “straight”" You are right I don't, just like i have no problem with the term hay or bisexuality, since I am bisexuality. In fact I have no problem being described as a bisexuality woman because that adds to the definition of me. Cis doesn't, Mrs x | |||
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"I think Harry Enfield highlighted the issues with ‘women getting Ideas above their station!’ In his groundbreaking documentary series ‘Women - know your place!!’ Available on YouTbe should anyone need to take a look. ""Women, for pity's sake, don't drive" had me in stitches | |||
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" Providing clarity on the subgroup doesn't make it incorrect.Not a great example, has anyone said a different coloured person was not a person? If you were born with different anatomy and then changed those bits then you need a term to recognise this, that ter being Trans, because you have transitioned from one to another. But woman, who identify as their biological sex, have not changed anything are just woman. You don't need a prefix to establish you've changed because you haven't, surely that's obvious. Cis is a useless descriptor, adds nothing to the description of the term woman. We don't do this toasting else. We don't say canine dog or carbon wood. We don't do this because we know dogs are canines and that wood is made from carbon. You only need to add a descriptor if its not original, such as a robotic dog, or artificial wood, like they use on flooring. But if you remain the same, and identify as, your biological birth sex then you have not changed, not done anything g to change and therefore don't required an additional set of prefix. You could as easily say 'Still A Woman' and it would have the same useless meaning as Cis but that's ridiculous too. Mrs x " The question is, why does it bother you? It’s a just a word that some of us find useful. If I just say “women” it’s not specific that I’m talking about just non-trans women, so it’s helpful to clarify. If you don’t like it don’t use it, but don’t police how other people use language. | |||
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"It's not cis woman, it's just woman, Mrs x It's like arguing that a car that is blue is not a blue car, it's just a car. Providing clarity on the subgroup doesn't make it incorrect.Not a great example, has anyone said a different coloured person was not a person? If you were born with different anatomy and then changed those bits then you need a term to recognise this, that ter being Trans, because you have transitioned from one to another. But woman, who identify as their biological sex, have not changed anything are just woman. You don't need a prefix to establish you've changed because you haven't, surely that's obvious. Cis is a useless descriptor, adds nothing to the description of the term woman. We don't do this toasting else. We don't say canine dog or carbon wood. We don't do this because we know dogs are canines and that wood is made from carbon. You only need to add a descriptor if its not original, such as a robotic dog, or artificial wood, like they use on flooring. But if you remain the same, and identify as, your biological birth sex then you have not changed, not done anything g to change and therefore don't required an additional set of prefix. You could as easily say 'Still A Woman' and it would have the same useless meaning as Cis but that's ridiculous too. Mrs x " And yet, in a conversation about robotic dogs, you would use terms to specify when you were talking about an actual dog rather than the robotic ones. If you're talking about artificial wood floors and need to mention a real wood, you use a suitable term for context. Yes. It's pointless to clarify in general that when you say oak you mean it came from an oak tree, but if the context of the conversation would imply that you're discussing the broader topic of wood that includes synthetic varieties, then you do make that distinction. The only time I describe myself as a cis woman is during conversations regarding transistions. The rest of the time I just refer to myself as a woman. It's not complicated 💜 | |||
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"I can see Trumps view when it comes to physical contact sports and allowing a person who was born male to then pummel a person who was born female. Men by nature are physically stronger, hit harder than women. This was highlighted in the boxing at the last Olympics when the female opponent said she'd never been punched in the face so hard in all of her sporting career. Trans women are not men And Imane Khelif is not trans Imane Khelif was born female. Has natural female genitalia. How is one woman hitting really hard highlighting why trans women shouldn't be allowed in female sports?" She is a female. However the issue of a trans woman fighting a female boxer is real, and could potentially be a dangerous prospect for the female competitors, if it is regulated properly it might work. Unfortunately it only takes a fatality for things to go tits up. | |||
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