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"It's only back in the early 80's that men were allowed to be midwives without having a chaperone present,are the attitudes regarding specific gender associated jobs still relevant,or shouldn't it matter? Surely the only thing that matters is if that the person can do the job in a competitive manner. " I agree but there are always going to be some jobs that are going to allowed to be selective. Was there something in particular that made you post this? Asking as it's an interesting topic to discuss. | |||
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"As long as the person can do the job. I've been in some situations where the person has had to be really intimate with me. I personally couldn't carelessI have seen where its been a problem through religion and age related and I think where possible this should be respected" I've had some impromptu transvaginal ultrasounds with male gynaecologists in a culture where chaperones aren't a thing. I don't particularly care, they did a good job. But I can see why other people feel differently. | |||
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"As long as the person can do the job. I've been in some situations where the person has had to be really intimate with me. I personally couldn't carelessI have seen where its been a problem through religion and age related and I think where possible this should be respected I've had some impromptu transvaginal ultrasounds with male gynaecologists in a culture where chaperones aren't a thing. I don't particularly care, they did a good job. But I can see why other people feel differently." It's only in very later years I've ever been offered a chaperone. I've always said no as at 60 years of age I really couldn't give a shit but I can see why some would care and I think their wishes should be respected. When my mum worked at the surgery she was the chaperones. We used to call her the dick nurse  | |||
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"I would have been really uncomfortable with a male midwife. I had no problem with a make doctor doing my stitches though. " The best and most attentive midwife I had during my pregnancy, was male. He wasn't on duty the night I went into labour but I was more concerned about being able to walk again 
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"As long as the person can do the job. I've been in some situations where the person has had to be really intimate with me. I personally couldn't carelessI have seen where its been a problem through religion and age related and I think where possible this should be respected" definitely,I totally agree with that. If for whatever reason the patient, either by religion, trauma, or some other reason feels uncomfortable by the medics gender that should be respected ,but I don't think someone should be damned just because of their gender. | |||
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"I had a male nurse at the sexual health clinic, removed my coil. I was a bit surprised when I first walked into the room but he was great. "  I would of walked right back out & made an appointment with a female nurse | |||
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"It's only back in the early 80's that men were allowed to be midwives without having a chaperone present,are the attitudes regarding specific gender associated jobs still relevant,or shouldn't it matter? Surely the only thing that matters is if that the person can do the job in a competitive manner. I agree but there are always going to be some jobs that are going to allowed to be selective. Was there something in particular that made you post this? Asking as it's an interesting topic to discuss. " i would have replied, but I'm out of your age range to message you. | |||
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"I had a male nurse at the sexual health clinic, removed my coil. I was a bit surprised when I first walked into the room but he was great. " “Paging Dr Gadget to the girlbits dept” | |||
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"This has always been my position, it’s just coincidental that women are far more competent at cooking and cleaning, so I would naturally favour them in those roles. ". You've never met me 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"I had a male nurse at the sexual health clinic, removed my coil. I was a bit surprised when I first walked into the room but he was great. " Do you ot think when it's a different gender to what you expect, they have to do it better. And this guy might have been gay. | |||
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"I had a male nurse at the sexual health clinic, removed my coil. I was a bit surprised when I first walked into the room but he was great. " A male doctor removed my coil. A make surgeon performed my first hysteriscopy and removed and replaced a coil. I wasn't concerned either time. | |||
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"I had a male nurse at the sexual health clinic, removed my coil. I was a bit surprised when I first walked into the room but he was great. I would of walked right back out & made an appointment with a female nurse "Why? besides being sexist. | |||
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" I would of walked right back out & made an appointment with a female nurse Why? besides being sexist. " and if the nurse was a lesbian, would that influence your opinion on the gender of the nurse?..surely what's most important is the ability of the person to do the job irrespective of whatever gender they are. | |||
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" I would of walked right back out & made an appointment with a female nurse Why? besides being sexist. and if the nurse was a lesbian, would that influence your opinion on the gender of the nurse?..surely what's most important is the ability of the person to do the job irrespective of whatever gender they are. " I wouldn't be worried about sexual orientation. I'd be worried about violence. Which gender commits most violence against men or women? 🤔 | |||
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"I had a male nurse at the sexual health clinic, removed my coil. I was a bit surprised when I first walked into the room but he was great. I would of walked right back out & made an appointment with a female nurse
Why? besides being sexist. "How is that sexist? Maybe people aren't comfortable with a male nurse? | |||
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"I had a male nurse at the sexual health clinic, removed my coil. I was a bit surprised when I first walked into the room but he was great. I would of walked right back out & made an appointment with a female nurse
Why? besides being sexist. "It’s not sexist. That’s why women can request to be seen by women doctors | |||
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"Gender-specific jobs? I'm all about equal rights. But if you can't do the job, don't apply for it. Things there are some jobs that women can't do and the same for men. " Can you give some examples? | |||
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"There are certain prostate cancer medications which by law must be handled and administered by nurses who are male. And I've worked in that field and delivered over 300 babies before leaving a very toxic culture and returning to carpentry. Was a decision I agonised over for weeks as I spent years getting to where I was but saw a few of the other blokes in my field commit suicide over the bullying and decided my life was worth more than that." Part of disparity will come down to work environments that make it untenable for certain people to work in certain sectors. That's what I'd be up in arms about. | |||
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"There are certain prostate cancer medications which by law must be handled and administered by nurses who are male. And I've worked in that field and delivered over 300 babies before leaving a very toxic culture and returning to carpentry. Was a decision I agonised over for weeks as I spent years getting to where I was but saw a few of the other blokes in my field commit suicide over the bullying and decided my life was worth more than that." Do you mind me asking which prostate cancer meds can only be handled by men? I'm sorry to hear you experienced bullying in your job. | |||
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"This has always been my position, it’s just coincidental that women are far more competent at cooking and cleaning, so I would naturally favour them in those roles. "The 80's called wanting their jokes back. Casual sexism at it finest here. | |||
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"There are certain prostate cancer medications which by law must be handled and administered by nurses who are male. And I've worked in that field and delivered over 300 babies before leaving a very toxic culture and returning to carpentry. Was a decision I agonised over for weeks as I spent years getting to where I was but saw a few of the other blokes in my field commit suicide over the bullying and decided my life was worth more than that. Do you mind me asking which prostate cancer meds can only be handled by men? I'm sorry to hear you experienced bullying in your job. " Trying to Google but can't find it. Just remember it from my student days where I had to be the one who handles and have gave it to the patient as I was the only person on shift with a willy. If I wasn't there they called ITU as its always traditionally had more blokes on shift. | |||
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"There are certain prostate cancer medications which by law must be handled and administered by nurses who are male. And I've worked in that field and delivered over 300 babies before leaving a very toxic culture and returning to carpentry. Was a decision I agonised over for weeks as I spent years getting to where I was but saw a few of the other blokes in my field commit suicide over the bullying and decided my life was worth more than that. Do you mind me asking which prostate cancer meds can only be handled by men? I'm sorry to hear you experienced bullying in your job. Trying to Google but can't find it. Just remember it from my student days where I had to be the one who handles and have gave it to the patient as I was the only person on shift with a willy. If I wasn't there they called ITU as its always traditionally had more blokes on shift." I can assure you with 100% certainty that there are no drugs on the nhs that can only be handled by a man or woman I suppose privately there could be a small chance but as a gambler I'd be willing to bet quite a lot that's not the case privately either not sure if you are getting confused with practices in the 80s if so please bear in mind that was 45 years ago | |||
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"This has always been my position, it’s just coincidental that women are far more competent at cooking and cleaning, so I would naturally favour them in those roles.
The 80's called wanting their jokes back.
Casual sexism at it finest here. "There does seem to be a lot of confusion on fab as a whole between the 80s and 2025 | |||
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"There are certain prostate cancer medications which by law must be handled and administered by nurses who are male. And I've worked in that field and delivered over 300 babies before leaving a very toxic culture and returning to carpentry. Was a decision I agonised over for weeks as I spent years getting to where I was but saw a few of the other blokes in my field commit suicide over the bullying and decided my life was worth more than that. Do you mind me asking which prostate cancer meds can only be handled by men? I'm sorry to hear you experienced bullying in your job. Trying to Google but can't find it. Just remember it from my student days where I had to be the one who handles and have gave it to the patient as I was the only person on shift with a willy. If I wasn't there they called ITU as its always traditionally had more blokes on shift. I can assure you with 100% certainty that there are no drugs on the nhs that can only be handled by a man or woman I suppose privately there could be a small chance but as a gambler I'd be willing to bet quite a lot that's not the case privately either not sure if you are getting confused with practices in the 80s if so please bear in mind that was 45 years ago " I didn't want to be so bold, but thought as much. | |||
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"This has always been my position, it’s just coincidental that women are far more competent at cooking and cleaning, so I would naturally favour them in those roles.
The 80's called wanting their jokes back.
Casual sexism at it finest here.
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"[Removed by poster at 01/02/25 22:02:02] It's Finasteride which only became available in film coated tablets in 2016. Still advised not to be handled by any female of child bearing age." And I was working with it in 2005 so definitely would have been a chalk/calcium carbonate buffer formulation which means powder residue would have been present in the bottle (it didn't come in blister packs) and the real real warning is women should not come onto crushed Finasteride so the risk was there. And pharmaceutical company would 100% put 30 tablets in a bottle costing them £3.50 (made up number for example purposes) and pass on any risk than make it in a blister pack 28 box costing them £9.50 (again example) so cut into their profit margins. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 01/02/25 22:02:02] It's Finasteride which only became available in film coated tablets in 2016. Still advised not to be handled by any female of child bearing age." No, it's only women who are pregnant or intending to become pregnant who should avoid contact with BROKEN tablets. Finasteride is given to some women for female pattern baldness (whilst on suitable contraception) and finasteride tablets are sold widely over online pharmacies, to men. The issue is the to a foetus, not to women themselves. Similar to many drugs which have damaging effects on foetal development but are otherwise safe for women to take. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 01/02/25 22:02:02] It's Finasteride which only became available in film coated tablets in 2016. Still advised not to be handled by any female of child bearing age. No, it's only women who are pregnant or intending to become pregnant who should avoid contact with BROKEN tablets. Finasteride is given to some women for female pattern baldness (whilst on suitable contraception) and finasteride tablets are sold widely over online pharmacies, to men. The issue is the to a foetus, not to women themselves. Similar to many drugs which have damaging effects on foetal development but are otherwise safe for women to take." I don't know about this medication, but I was put on a medication in Australia where the doctor said it would be catastrophic for a hypothetical male foetus. He put me on birth control and sent me home with a lot of condoms
As soon as I was in the UK they yanked me off the pills. I wonder if the UK is more paternalistic about "potential effects on non-existent foetus" than other countries are? (Or, if so, they just put a blanket ban on female *staff* handling this stuff just in case?) | |||
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" And I was working with it in 2005" Well thank god medical science had made some progress in the last 20 years and we've learnt new things. Magnesium Sulphate doesn't stop premature labour but does give neuroprotection so we brought that back despite the risks of muscle atony in the mother. If you resuscitate a newborn with oxygen instead of air you will cause retinal damage but still did that until 2008. I was describing an old anecdotal story about common practice from 20 years ago, things will have changed and medicines will have been discontinued. Lithium and thalidomide were the wonder drugs of their time. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 01/02/25 22:02:02] It's Finasteride which only became available in film coated tablets in 2016. Still advised not to be handled by any female of child bearing age. No, it's only women who are pregnant or intending to become pregnant who should avoid contact with BROKEN tablets. Finasteride is given to some women for female pattern baldness (whilst on suitable contraception) and finasteride tablets are sold widely over online pharmacies, to men. The issue is the to a foetus, not to women themselves. Similar to many drugs which have damaging effects on foetal development but are otherwise safe for women to take. I don't know about this medication, but I was put on a medication in Australia where the doctor said it would be catastrophic for a hypothetical male foetus. He put me on birth control and sent me home with a lot of condoms
As soon as I was in the UK they yanked me off the pills. I wonder if the UK is more paternalistic about "potential effects on non-existent foetus" than other countries are? (Or, if so, they just put a blanket ban on female *staff* handling this stuff just in case?)"Possibly, the NHS is always hemorrhaging money so why open to additional risks of a lawsuit when you can just avoid the issue buy issuing said decree | |||
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" And I was working with it in 2005 Well thank god medical science had made some progress in the last 20 years and we've learnt new things. Magnesium Sulphate doesn't stop premature labour but does give neuroprotection so we brought that back despite the risks of muscle atony in the mother. If you resuscitate a newborn with oxygen instead of air you will cause retinal damage but still did that until 2008. I was describing an old anecdotal story about common practice from 20 years ago, things will have changed and medicines will have been discontinued. Lithium and thalidomide were the wonder drugs of their time." Thalidomide is still in use. In women. Just with a lot of thought and LARCs. You've gotta love them using a drug for premature labour that carries such risks for the mother 🙃 | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 01/02/25 22:02:02] It's Finasteride which only became available in film coated tablets in 2016. Still advised not to be handled by any female of child bearing age. No, it's only women who are pregnant or intending to become pregnant who should avoid contact with BROKEN tablets. Finasteride is given to some women for female pattern baldness (whilst on suitable contraception) and finasteride tablets are sold widely over online pharmacies, to men. The issue is the to a foetus, not to women themselves. Similar to many drugs which have damaging effects on foetal development but are otherwise safe for women to take. I don't know about this medication, but I was put on a medication in Australia where the doctor said it would be catastrophic for a hypothetical male foetus. He put me on birth control and sent me home with a lot of condoms
As soon as I was in the UK they yanked me off the pills. I wonder if the UK is more paternalistic about "potential effects on non-existent foetus" than other countries are? (Or, if so, they just put a blanket ban on female *staff* handling this stuff just in case?)
Possibly, the NHS is always hemorrhaging money so why open to additional risks of a lawsuit when you can just avoid the issue buy issuing said decree "As a patient I find it extremely annoying. As a staff matter... I can see why they'd do it. | |||
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" And I was working with it in 2005 Well thank god medical science had made some progress in the last 20 years and we've learnt new things. Magnesium Sulphate doesn't stop premature labour but does give neuroprotection so we brought that back despite the risks of muscle atony in the mother. If you resuscitate a newborn with oxygen instead of air you will cause retinal damage but still did that until 2008. I was describing an old anecdotal story about common practice from 20 years ago, things will have changed and medicines will have been discontinued. Lithium and thalidomide were the wonder drugs of their time. Thalidomide is still in use. In women. Just with a lot of thought and LARCs. You've gotta love them using a drug for premature labour that carries such risks for the mother 🙃" Nifidepine is the drug to stop premature Labour and relatively risk free but MgSO4 gives the neuroprotection but give really bad burning sensation around the IV site and horrible restless leg syndrome as it fucks up the reflex and normal nervous impulse pathways | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 01/02/25 22:02:02] It's Finasteride which only became available in film coated tablets in 2016. Still advised not to be handled by any female of child bearing age. No, it's only women who are pregnant or intending to become pregnant who should avoid contact with BROKEN tablets. Finasteride is given to some women for female pattern baldness (whilst on suitable contraception) and finasteride tablets are sold widely over online pharmacies, to men. The issue is the to a foetus, not to women themselves. Similar to many drugs which have damaging effects on foetal development but are otherwise safe for women to take. I don't know about this medication, but I was put on a medication in Australia where the doctor said it would be catastrophic for a hypothetical male foetus. He put me on birth control and sent me home with a lot of condoms
As soon as I was in the UK they yanked me off the pills. I wonder if the UK is more paternalistic about "potential effects on non-existent foetus" than other countries are? (Or, if so, they just put a blanket ban on female *staff* handling this stuff just in case?)
Possibly, the NHS is always hemorrhaging money so why open to additional risks of a lawsuit when you can just avoid the issue buy issuing said decree
As a patient I find it extremely annoying. As a staff matter... I can see why they'd do it."As a NHS patient you probably don't give a flying shit as long as medication is on time. Having been on both sides of the "beds end" I learnt where the real important issues lie I.e. you get the meals out at the right time | |||
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" And I was working with it in 2005 Well thank god medical science had made some progress in the last 20 years and we've learnt new things. Magnesium Sulphate doesn't stop premature labour but does give neuroprotection so we brought that back despite the risks of muscle atony in the mother. If you resuscitate a newborn with oxygen instead of air you will cause retinal damage but still did that until 2008. I was describing an old anecdotal story about common practice from 20 years ago, things will have changed and medicines will have been discontinued. Lithium and thalidomide were the wonder drugs of their time. Thalidomide is still in use. In women. Just with a lot of thought and LARCs. You've gotta love them using a drug for premature labour that carries such risks for the mother 🙃 Nifidepine is the drug to stop premature Labour and relatively risk free but MgSO4 gives the neuroprotection but give really bad burning sensation around the IV site and horrible restless leg syndrome as it fucks up the reflex and normal nervous impulse pathways" It's wonderful being female. No-one* cared that pregnancy left me disabled because "at least I had a healthy baby". Excellent. *Apart from Mr KC. He immediately decided we'd never have more children. | |||
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" As a NHS patient you probably don't give a flying shit as long as medication is on time. " I mean yeah I do care - different instance - that the NHS specialist couldn't guarantee that they'd treat a life threatening condition which might threaten a foetus I was extremely clear I didn't want. Why the fuck do you give a shit about a woman sitting in front of you, when you can care about non existent babies? How dare I hate babies so much that I don't want to risk dying in agony. In the specific instance I first mentioned, I was also fucking annoyed that an incredibly senior specialist in one of Australia's leading institutions explained to me what he was doing and why, how to be careful, etc - I had followed that to a tee. I wasn't getting laid that much anyway and was doubling up with the pill and condoms. Only to get my treatment pulled by a GP because what about the babies I didn't want, I wasn't having sex to have, and I was very carefully trying to prevent, when I was spending £(fuckton) as an international student? I don't know what I want, clearly, I should just focus on the non existent baby and not my fucking health. | |||
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"I'm not the spokesman for the NHS and haven't worked for it since 2018 and have no tortoises in this race anymore so I just think we've gotten very off track. No I don't think gender is a gateway to a job, I've been the lone male in a female dominated workforce and mentored a female in a male dominated work force and always thought that aptitude is key. There was a thread about female firefighters and my best friend is on3 and she moved out to the states 5 years back on an exchange program and now run the County service and still attends calls, better person than I am. Of course you can refuse medical professional on their gender but that doesn't mean they aren't a professional on their own merit. Yes a female sparky is just as good as the bloke and is just as unlikely to clean up after themselves as that's a sparky not a gender thing." But you're the spokesperson for you who said I'd be grateful for having my meds on time. Maybe if I get to be as much as a person as the unfertilised eggs I flush once a month. Before then, no, I will not be fucking grateful Jesus Christ | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. " How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend  | |||
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"I'm not the spokesman for the NHS and haven't worked for it since 2018 and have no tortoises in this race anymore so I just think we've gotten very off track. No I don't think gender is a gateway to a job, I've been the lone male in a female dominated workforce and mentored a female in a male dominated work force and always thought that aptitude is key. There was a thread about female firefighters and my best friend is on3 and she moved out to the states 5 years back on an exchange program and now run the County service and still attends calls, better person than I am. Of course you can refuse medical professional on their gender but that doesn't mean they aren't a professional on their own merit. Yes a female sparky is just as good as the bloke and is just as unlikely to clean up after themselves as that's a sparky not a gender thing. But you're the spokesperson for you who said I'd be grateful for having my meds on time. Maybe if I get to be as much as a person as the unfertilised eggs I flush once a month. Before then, no, I will not be fucking grateful Jesus Christ " OK yeah, when I was lying in a bed with sepsis the most important thing for me was getting my IV antibiotics on time. As for ward rounds and review I didn't give a toss as that didn't affect my clinical condition or stopped me dying, the bag of drugs did. | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend "What on earth has any of this nonsense have been do with anything, much less as a response to what it was posted in response to? | |||
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"I'm not the spokesman for the NHS and haven't worked for it since 2018 and have no tortoises in this race anymore so I just think we've gotten very off track. No I don't think gender is a gateway to a job, I've been the lone male in a female dominated workforce and mentored a female in a male dominated work force and always thought that aptitude is key. There was a thread about female firefighters and my best friend is on3 and she moved out to the states 5 years back on an exchange program and now run the County service and still attends calls, better person than I am. Of course you can refuse medical professional on their gender but that doesn't mean they aren't a professional on their own merit. Yes a female sparky is just as good as the bloke and is just as unlikely to clean up after themselves as that's a sparky not a gender thing. But you're the spokesperson for you who said I'd be grateful for having my meds on time. Maybe if I get to be as much as a person as the unfertilised eggs I flush once a month. Before then, no, I will not be fucking grateful Jesus Christ OK yeah, when I was lying in a bed with sepsis the most important thing for me was getting my IV antibiotics on time. As for ward rounds and review I didn't give a toss as that didn't affect my clinical condition or stopped me dying, the bag of drugs did." When I was lying in bed at home with six weeks of triple ovarian torsion because I was apparent faking and (ten minute shouted lecture about why I was wrong to not to want to have children, including eugenics), I cared quite a lot about prompt medical treatment. Maybe, as a man, you don't understand why this intersects with medical practitioners and their unwanted opinions about the uses of your reproductive organs. I wish I had that luxury  | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
What on earth has any of this nonsense have been do with anything, much less as a response to what it was posted in response to? "It reads like trying to use someone else's trauma to pigeonhole an ideological agenda. Which is flat out disgusting. | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
What on earth has any of this nonsense have been do with anything, much less as a response to what it was posted in response to?
What's it to you? You didn't have to answer "What's it to me? It's evidently someone trying to further a particular agenda off the back of someone divulging personal trauma and I find it quite disgusting. I'll ask again - what on earth has any of what you've written got to do with the post it was posted in reply to? Is that how you respond to other reports of sexual assault by women? "WhAt AbOuT tHiS tOtAlLy NoNsEnSiCaL cLaPtRaP aBoUt TrAnS pEoPlE?" | |||
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" OK yeah, when I was lying in a bed with When I was lying in bed at home with six weeks of triple ovarian torsion because I was apparent faking and (ten minute shouted lecture about why I was wrong to not to want to have children, including eugenics), I cared quite a lot about prompt medical treatment. Maybe, as a man, you don't understand why this intersects with medical practitioners and their unwanted opinions about the uses of your reproductive organs. I wish I had that luxury "So we're in agreement that receiving the prompt medical intervention is the key point | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
What on earth has any of this nonsense have been do with anything, much less as a response to what it was posted in response to?
What's it to you? You didn't have to answer
What's it to me? It's evidently someone trying to further a particular agenda off the back of someone divulging personal trauma and I find it quite disgusting.
I'll ask again - what on earth has any of what you've written got to do with the post it was posted in reply to? Is that how you respond to other reports of sexual assault by women? "WhAt AbOuT tHiS tOtAlLy NoNsEnSiCaL cLaPtRaP aBoUt TrAnS pEoPlE?" "For your information, love, and for all the other transphobic cis people out there, we do not always wear make-up, and many of us do jobs that require unisex uniform to be worn and we do not look the gender we want to be. Some of us have even delivered several babies as part of our job. Is that ok with you? | |||
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" OK yeah, when I was lying in a bed with When I was lying in bed at home with six weeks of triple ovarian torsion because I was apparent faking and (ten minute shouted lecture about why I was wrong to not to want to have children, including eugenics), I cared quite a lot about prompt medical treatment. Maybe, as a man, you don't understand why this intersects with medical practitioners and their unwanted opinions about the uses of your reproductive organs. I wish I had that luxury
So we're in agreement that receiving the prompt medical intervention is the key point
"No. You were talking about gratitude. Sure, I was grateful to my GP who stepped into that godawful void and permitted a deliberate medically supervised OD of cocodamol of something they'd be giving me morphine for in the hospital. I was grateful for the tiny relief that the cocodamol gave me when my mother administered it. But before we got to that point, we had a doctor who shamed me in public for not wanting children, decided I was faking despite an ovary the size of a large orange showing on ultrasound and sending me home. His shouting included informing me to pass on my pretty (recessive) eyes and helping to breed out the stupid people. Without him, my gratitude would have gone to the fucking surgery rather than for the long and painful recovery, and the fact that I came far too close to fucking death. I'm also not grateful for the NHS doctors who told me that upon what would be a third repeat of torsion at that time, they could not take decisive action to prevent further torsion, because they would prioritise a non-existent baby over my own. I am also not grateful that an NHS GP decided that my Australian specialist treatment was invalid, because of children I was taking every care not to have and precautions I had put in place to prevent. So yeah. Thanks Mum and Dr (redacted). I'm very grateful that you made the agony slightly less traumatic. The rest of them can rot in hell. | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
What on earth has any of this nonsense have been do with anything, much less as a response to what it was posted in response to?
What's it to you? You didn't have to answer
What's it to me? It's evidently someone trying to further a particular agenda off the back of someone divulging personal trauma and I find it quite disgusting.
I'll ask again - what on earth has any of what you've written got to do with the post it was posted in reply to? Is that how you respond to other reports of sexual assault by women? "WhAt AbOuT tHiS tOtAlLy NoNsEnSiCaL cLaPtRaP aBoUt TrAnS pEoPlE?"
For your information, love, and for all the other transphobic cis people out there, we do not always wear make-up, and many of us do jobs that require unisex uniform to be worn and we do not look the gender we want to be. Some of us have even delivered several babies as part of our job. Is that ok with you?"I have received a lot of very hurtful transphobic comments from some people that I'm just trying to help, and to be honest - it's always people like you, who think they know everything. You don't. | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
What on earth has any of this nonsense have been do with anything, much less as a response to what it was posted in response to?
What's it to you? You didn't have to answer
What's it to me? It's evidently someone trying to further a particular agenda off the back of someone divulging personal trauma and I find it quite disgusting.
I'll ask again - what on earth has any of what you've written got to do with the post it was posted in reply to? Is that how you respond to other reports of sexual assault by women? "WhAt AbOuT tHiS tOtAlLy NoNsEnSiCaL cLaPtRaP aBoUt TrAnS pEoPlE?"
For your information, love, and for all the other transphobic cis people out there, we do not always wear make-up, and many of us do jobs that require unisex uniform to be worn and we do not look the gender we want to be. Some of us have even delivered several babies as part of our job. Is that ok with you?"Awwww, so patronising. You'll have overlooked the bit where I stated that the best midwife I experienced was male. Personally, I couldn't give a flying fuck about who treats me, so long as they are qualified. That covers gender (including transgender), race, religion, political views, and all the rest. I'll take whoever is qualified and available on the day. How on earth did you conclude I'm transphobic?! You read an account of a person experiencing sexual assault and immediately went for "but what if". | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
What on earth has any of this nonsense have been do with anything, much less as a response to what it was posted in response to?
What's it to you? You didn't have to answer
What's it to me? It's evidently someone trying to further a particular agenda off the back of someone divulging personal trauma and I find it quite disgusting.
I'll ask again - what on earth has any of what you've written got to do with the post it was posted in reply to? Is that how you respond to other reports of sexual assault by women? "WhAt AbOuT tHiS tOtAlLy NoNsEnSiCaL cLaPtRaP aBoUt TrAnS pEoPlE?"
For your information, love, and for all the other transphobic cis people out there, we do not always wear make-up, and many of us do jobs that require unisex uniform to be worn and we do not look the gender we want to be. Some of us have even delivered several babies as part of our job. Is that ok with you?
I have received a lot of very hurtful transphobic comments from some people that I'm just trying to help, and to be honest - it's always people like you, who think they know everything. You don't."If you repeatedly receive that kind of critique, perhaps consider your delivery. Did you know that most people don't appreciate it when a trans woman is referred to as a "biological male"? Did you know that a lot of people don't give a single solitary fuck if a medical practitioner is wearing makeup? That a lot of us actually like scrubs because they're hygienic and help get jobs done? I can't speak for the person whose trauma you've tried to pigeonhole for your ongoing agenda, but I'd rather a festering turd treat my medical condition than people whose ideologically contains Holocaust denial  | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend "Sexual assault is the same in any gender or clothing | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
Sexual assault is the same in any gender or clothing"And while it's been a minute since I looked at crime stats, but as far as I can remember - across countries - the overwhelming majority of assaults are committed by cis men. For those who aren't aware or refuse to use language, that's men who were born as boys, dress and live as men. | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
Sexual assault is the same in any gender or clothing
And while it's been a minute since I looked at crime stats, but as far as I can remember - across countries - the overwhelming majority of assaults are committed by cis men.
For those who aren't aware or refuse to use language, that's men who were born as boys, dress and live as men. "with all due respect just because someone says something doesn't make it a fact really it's an opinion and the uk is a free democratic country forcing your views on others isn't acceptable whether you believe you are correct or not if someone believes there are 2 genders male and female they have as much right to that opinion as someone who believes somthing else so you are entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone else that disagrees with you is entitled to theirs to say that means they are refusing your belief if that's the way you want to word that's fine they are more than entitled to refuse to believe what you do just like freedom of religion | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
Sexual assault is the same in any gender or clothing
And while it's been a minute since I looked at crime stats, but as far as I can remember - across countries - the overwhelming majority of assaults are committed by cis men.
For those who aren't aware or refuse to use language, that's men who were born as boys, dress and live as men. with all due respect just because someone says something doesn't make it a fact really it's an opinion and the uk is a free democratic country forcing your views on others isn't acceptable whether you believe you are correct or not if someone believes there are 2 genders male and female they have as much right to that opinion as someone who believes somthing else so you are entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone else that disagrees with you is entitled to theirs to say that means they are refusing your belief if that's the way you want to word that's fine they are more than entitled to refuse to believe what you do just like freedom of religion "With all due respect, I'm referring to crime statistics, which are verifiable facts. These can be referenced by anyone with an internet connection. You are of course welcome to believe that all crime is committed by trans people because *masturbating furiously*, and as you say, you have the freedom to say what you like. I also have the freedom to respond, and to find your assertions absurd and without merit. If you're referring to my definition of the word cis - I'm very sorry, run on sentences are taxing - then let me rewrite it without that term. Violence of all forms is overwhelmingly committed by people who come out of the birth canal with a penis, who believe themselves to be boys, who then believe themselves themselves to be a man. These perpetrators live their lives according to societal expectations of boys and men, in the main. If you believe that to be false, you are welcome to be wrong. Or you are welcome to present evidence. If you present fee-fees, as you are also welcome to do, I will use my freedom of speech to continue to mock your beliefs. | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
Sexual assault is the same in any gender or clothing
And while it's been a minute since I looked at crime stats, but as far as I can remember - across countries - the overwhelming majority of assaults are committed by cis men.
For those who aren't aware or refuse to use language, that's men who were born as boys, dress and live as men. with all due respect just because someone says something doesn't make it a fact really it's an opinion and the uk is a free democratic country forcing your views on others isn't acceptable whether you believe you are correct or not if someone believes there are 2 genders male and female they have as much right to that opinion as someone who believes somthing else so you are entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone else that disagrees with you is entitled to theirs to say that means they are refusing your belief if that's the way you want to word that's fine they are more than entitled to refuse to believe what you do just like freedom of religion
With all due respect, I'm referring to crime statistics, which are verifiable facts. These can be referenced by anyone with an internet connection.
You are of course welcome to believe that all crime is committed by trans people because *masturbating furiously*, and as you say, you have the freedom to say what you like. I also have the freedom to respond, and to find your assertions absurd and without merit.
If you're referring to my definition of the word cis - I'm very sorry, run on sentences are taxing - then let me rewrite it without that term. Violence of all forms is overwhelmingly committed by people who come out of the birth canal with a penis, who believe themselves to be boys, who then believe themselves themselves to be a man. These perpetrators live their lives according to societal expectations of boys and men, in the main.
If you believe that to be false, you are welcome to be wrong. Or you are welcome to present evidence. If you present fee-fees, as you are also welcome to do, I will use my freedom of speech to continue to mock your beliefs."my statement was clearly aimed at the last paragraph you posted highlighted in bold just like anyone else that replies to any post in the forum. The one that is highlighted was about people refusing to use the word cis i clearly wasn't replying to the ones before but you knew that so any attempt to put words in my mouth claiming them to be my opinion is repugnant to be clear I never even read the unhighlighted part of your post I never do its the bold writing that's relevant in any post and it was the bold writing i was replying to if I want to read the rest I'll look back and read it when its highlighted I'd imagine most people do this on fab otherwise all they would be doing is reading the same thing over and over again in a thread | |||
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"I once had a male doctor who requested I undress and then he groped my boobs -for a sore throat. I was young and frozen to the spot. I felt sick for days and changed surgeries the next day. I always request a female doctor now. How about a doctor born a biological male, who now identifies as a woman, with no make-up on and wearing unisex scrubs? Asking for a friend
Sexual assault is the same in any gender or clothing
And while it's been a minute since I looked at crime stats, but as far as I can remember - across countries - the overwhelming majority of assaults are committed by cis men.
For those who aren't aware or refuse to use language, that's men who were born as boys, dress and live as men. with all due respect just because someone says something doesn't make it a fact really it's an opinion and the uk is a free democratic country forcing your views on others isn't acceptable whether you believe you are correct or not if someone believes there are 2 genders male and female they have as much right to that opinion as someone who believes somthing else so you are entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone else that disagrees with you is entitled to theirs to say that means they are refusing your belief if that's the way you want to word that's fine they are more than entitled to refuse to believe what you do just like freedom of religion
With all due respect, I'm referring to crime statistics, which are verifiable facts. These can be referenced by anyone with an internet connection.
You are of course welcome to believe that all crime is committed by trans people because *masturbating furiously*, and as you say, you have the freedom to say what you like. I also have the freedom to respond, and to find your assertions absurd and without merit.
If you're referring to my definition of the word cis - I'm very sorry, run on sentences are taxing - then let me rewrite it without that term. Violence of all forms is overwhelmingly committed by people who come out of the birth canal with a penis, who believe themselves to be boys, who then believe themselves themselves to be a man. These perpetrators live their lives according to societal expectations of boys and men, in the main.
If you believe that to be false, you are welcome to be wrong. Or you are welcome to present evidence. If you present fee-fees, as you are also welcome to do, I will use my freedom of speech to continue to mock your beliefs.
my statement was clearly aimed at the last paragraph you posted highlighted in bold just like anyone else that replies to any post in the forum. The one that is highlighted was about people refusing to use the word cis i clearly wasn't replying to the ones before but you knew that so any attempt to put words in my mouth claiming them to be my opinion is repugnant to be clear I never even read the unhighlighted part of your post I never do its the bold writing that's relevant in any post and it was the bold writing i was replying to if I want to read the rest I'll look back and read it when its highlighted I'd imagine most people do this on fab otherwise all they would be doing is reading the same thing over and over again in a thread "You do know bolding doesn't work on Fab, right? I'm sorry you're so upset by my attempt to accommodate you. My attempt was to make sure that people who don't share the same language as me understand what I said. I do believe your belief system is repugnant. Horrid, wretched, vile, disgusting, Nazi enabling, unscientific. Freedom of speech goes both ways, have you noticed? Congratulations, by the way, on your alliance with the Christofascists to eliminate both men and women in the United States, by the way. You must be so proud of Mx Trump, agender by executive order. What a monumental achievement  | |||
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"It's only back in the early 80's that men were allowed to be midwives without having a chaperone present,are the attitudes regarding specific gender associated jobs still relevant,or shouldn't it matter? Surely the only thing that matters is if that the person can do the job in a competitive manner. " Mostly correct but I still feel some roles although not gender specific. Need certain genders to make the "customer" more comfortable. For example. A close friend of mine has just went through penile cancer. All clear now thankfully. However after having his penis amputated he obviously required counselling. The NHS appointed counsellor was female. He did not feel comfortable with this at all. As no matter the training she had she could not fully emphasise with him. Her empathy was from a txt book. He gained nothing from these sessions and begged to have a male counsellor who he felt could relate to his situation. Unfortunately in our area a male counsellor was not available. Although both male and female are equally qualified i do believe he would have benefited much more from a male. Kind of as I imagine a female would benefit from a female counsellor after say a mastectomy. | |||
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"I had a male nurse at the sexual health clinic, removed my coil. I was a bit surprised when I first walked into the room but he was great. I would of walked right back out & made an appointment with a female nurse
Why? besides being sexist.
How is that sexist? Maybe people aren't comfortable with a male nurse? "It's sexist because she is refusing to accept a man as a midwife. Moreover, she has made assumptions based on feminist propgoanda that men are violent and women are not (see her reply). The gender of a midwife, or any medical profpressional, should be irrelevent. She has decided that a male midwife would be a danger to her, believing (quite wrongly) that his gender makes him a danger. Her attitude is sexist. | |||
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"I had a male nurse at the sexual health clinic, removed my coil. I was a bit surprised when I first walked into the room but he was great. I would of walked right back out & made an appointment with a female nurse
Why? besides being sexist.
How is that sexist? Maybe people aren't comfortable with a male nurse?
It's sexist because she is refusing to accept a man as a midwife. Moreover, she has made assumptions based on feminist propgoanda that men are violent and women are not (see her reply). The gender of a midwife, or any medical profpressional, should be irrelevent. She has decided that a male midwife would be a danger to her, believing (quite wrongly) that his gender makes him a danger. Her attitude is sexist. "What utter drivel. Firstly, there's (sadly) a mountain of hard evidence to show that the vast majority of violence is committed by men. But leaving that issue aside, why do you find it so hard to understand that intimate health discussions or procedures are easier for most people with a member of the same sex? That's not sexist by any generally accepted meaning of the word, just pragmatic. | |||
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"I had a male nurse at the sexual health clinic, removed my coil. I was a bit surprised when I first walked into the room but he was great. I would of walked right back out & made an appointment with a female nurse
Why? besides being sexist.
How is that sexist? Maybe people aren't comfortable with a male nurse?
It's sexist because she is refusing to accept a man as a midwife. Moreover, she has made assumptions based on feminist propgoanda that men are violent and women are not (see her reply). The gender of a midwife, or any medical profpressional, should be irrelevent. She has decided that a male midwife would be a danger to her, believing (quite wrongly) that his gender makes him a danger. Her attitude is sexist.
What utter drivel. Firstly, there's (sadly) a mountain of hard evidence to show that the vast majority of violence is committed by men. But leaving that issue aside, why do you find it so hard to understand that intimate health discussions or procedures are easier for most people with a member of the same sex? That's not sexist by any generally accepted meaning of the word, just pragmatic."Couldn't have said it better myself | |||
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