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By *hagTonight OP   Man
4 days ago

From the land of haribos.

Have you also seen the video that have gone viral of what the chief of los angeles fire department of diversity kristina larson said?

The chiefs speech comes after the fires in los angeles where the chief said that women arent strong enough to carry a man out of a burning building.

I think that of course they can be firefighters and do the same job. I was also looking into some numbers to see how many of them were women, in he usa only 6% and in the uk it was a bit more with 8%, the survey concluded that out of all people working as firefighters today, less than 10 percent are women and it looks the same all around the globe.

What is your view about it and why arent there more women that are it, could it be because it is more of a male oriented job too?

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By *ilyandronCouple
4 days ago

Bristol

It’s probably because most women are at home cooking dinner and starting fires in the process.

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By *rHotNottsMan
4 days ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Well, I’m no science denier I think a lot would probably find it really difficult to carry a man out of a burning building - and probably fewer numbers of men would also struggle.

This is why gender should be nothing to do with whether you pass the test to be a firefighter that has that task,

But I’m sure there are a lot of jobs in firefighting, but don’t require you to carry a person, and they should use positive discrimination to make sure all genders are represented in those roles

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By *ellhungvweMan
4 days ago

Cheltenham

I wonder how often a single firefighter has to _actually_ carry an individual out of a burning building? I also wonder, given society’s becoming increasingly obese, how many people are too heavy to be carried out by anyone - man or women?

If the answer to the first question is not often and the second one quite a few then I think the sex of the firefighter is probably irrelevant.

I will also note that one of the strongest people in my gym is a female firefighter - I am fairly sure she could get me out of a burning building and I am not light.

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By *rHotNottsMan
4 days ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Have you also seen the video that have gone viral of what the chief of los angeles fire department of diversity kristina larson said?

The chiefs speech comes after the fires in los angeles where the chief said that women arent strong enough to carry a man out of a burning building.

I think that of course they can be firefighters and do the same job. I was also looking into some numbers to see how many of them were women, in he usa only 6% and in the uk it was a bit more with 8%, the survey concluded that out of all people working as firefighters today, less than 10 percent are women and it looks the same all around the globe.

What is your view about it and why arent there more women that are it, could it be because it is more of a male oriented job too? "

I don’t think the chief said this did she, wasn’t it a right ex-Fox presenter saying all women want to be rescued by muscular men not obese lesbians

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
4 days ago

in Lancashire

The Op is confusing, there are two elements put together and one is wrong in how you've said it Shag..

The carry out comment was made by a fox news contributor based upon a picture of three senior women in the organisation (for the record, heads of departments and chief officers are extremely unlikely if ever to have to carry out a rescue of anyone)..

From the reports no rescues were needed in the latest (still ongoing) fires in LA so it's just an excuse by someone the right to stir up 'outrage' with their base using the loss of peoples lives and homes as an excuse..

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By *rHotNottsMan
4 days ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"The Op is confusing, there are two elements put together and one is wrong in how you've said it Shag..

The carry out comment was made by a fox news contributor based upon a picture of three senior women in the organisation (for the record, heads of departments and chief officers are extremely unlikely if ever to have to carry out a rescue of anyone)..

From the reports no rescues were needed in the latest (still ongoing) fires in LA so it's just an excuse by someone the right to stir up 'outrage' with their base using the loss of peoples lives and homes as an excuse..

"

Totally agree.

But the question is still a very valid one in 2025 with our cultural development of gender it’s not something we want to avoid asking or debating through fear is it?

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
4 days ago

From the land of haribos.


"Well, I’m no science denier I think a lot would probably find it really difficult to carry a man out of a burning building - and probably fewer numbers of men would also struggle.

This is why gender should be nothing to do with whether you pass the test to be a firefighter that has that task,

But I’m sure there are a lot of jobs in firefighting, but don’t require you to carry a person, and they should use positive discrimination to make sure all genders are represented in those roles"
Yes, a lot would find it difficult to do that too

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By *londebiguyMan
4 days ago

Southport

I really do not care who puts the fire out as long as they do the job as well as they can.

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By *usie pTV/TS
4 days ago

taunton

If the general criteria is you need to be strong enough to carry a man out of a building, after taking a look around I think all firefighters are going to have to come from the final of worlds strongest man

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
4 days ago

From the land of haribos.


"I wonder how often a single firefighter has to _actually_ carry an individual out of a burning building? I also wonder, given society’s becoming increasingly obese, how many people are too heavy to be carried out by anyone - man or women?

If the answer to the first question is not often and the second one quite a few then I think the sex of the firefighter is probably irrelevant.

I will also note that one of the strongest people in my gym is a female firefighter - I am fairly sure she could get me out of a burning building and I am not light."
Yes. I also wonder that, it must be difficult for anyone too

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By *he ShivsCouple
4 days ago

Fife

The people who can safely run into a burning building and save the people inside should be firefighters.

I don’t think it matters much what’s in their pants, as long as they can get the job done.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
4 days ago

in Lancashire


"The Op is confusing, there are two elements put together and one is wrong in how you've said it Shag..

The carry out comment was made by a fox news contributor based upon a picture of three senior women in the organisation (for the record, heads of departments and chief officers are extremely unlikely if ever to have to carry out a rescue of anyone)..

From the reports no rescues were needed in the latest (still ongoing) fires in LA so it's just an excuse by someone the right to stir up 'outrage' with their base using the loss of peoples lives and homes as an excuse..

Totally agree.

But the question is still a very valid one in 2025 with our cultural development of gender it’s not something we want to avoid asking or debating through fear is it?

"

Absolutely not, the same tired old clichés still pop up and will in all likelihood be a mirror of the ones I witnessed sat around the mess table 35 years ago..

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By *asterfulsoulMan
4 days ago

Manchester


"But the question is still a very valid one in 2025 with our cultural development of gender it’s not something we want to avoid asking or debating through fear is it?

"

The fitness test for the London Fire Brigade is freely available to read online and there aren't many (any?) reports of women being unable to carry out their duties as firefighters.

With that knowledge in hand, what's left to debate?

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By *undee2Man
4 days ago

Dundee

People tend to be helped or dragged out of buildings. Very few people are carried out. In the event that someone is carried out then the techniques used makes it easier to carry dead weights. When a person enters a building on fire it is simultaneously being damped down from the outside. Finally, a firefighter does not go into a burning building alone.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
4 days ago

East Sussex

I think many women are put off from becoming firefighters due to the culture if misogyny within the fire service.

This effectively keeps numbers of women in the service low.

If my house is on fire or I need to be cut out of my car I don't give two brass farthings who is on the other end of the hose or cutter.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
4 days ago

East Sussex

Anyway to answer the question...yes, women can be, should be and are firefighters. Of course they can and are.

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By *erry bull1Man
4 days ago

doncaster

We have lady firefighters in the uk , they also have to pass rigorous training tests etc , do they have proved they are more than capable of carrying out firefighting duties

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By *rHotNottsMan
4 days ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"I think many women are put off from becoming firefighters due to the culture if misogyny within the fire service.

"

Is there? If there is, I don’t think it’s generally well known and the main reason for the massive gender imbalance.

No doubt it plays a small part but the main reason is simply conditioning right since we are born we are told what boys should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to and what girls should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to. Actually, it happens even before we are born when the baby’s room is painted either blue or pink and the clothes are being chosen.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
4 days ago

East Sussex


"I think many women are put off from becoming firefighters due to the culture if misogyny within the fire service.

Is there? If there is, I don’t think it’s generally well known and the main reason for the massive gender imbalance.

No doubt it plays a small part but the main reason is simply conditioning right since we are born we are told what boys should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to and what girls should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to. Actually, it happens even before we are born when the baby’s room is painted either blue or pink and the clothes are being chosen."

It is fairly well known due to several quite public cases last year.

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By *alm_one4Man
4 days ago

RM16

I really wouldn’t care who carried me out of a burning building, as long as they could. In any profession if someone qualifies and passes all the tests then they should be allowed to sign up for the job. What we have to avoid is giving people jobs just to balance the gender numbers (or any other statistic in that respect).

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By *rHotNottsMan
4 days ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"I think many women are put off from becoming firefighters due to the culture if misogyny within the fire service.

Is there? If there is, I don’t think it’s generally well known and the main reason for the massive gender imbalance.

No doubt it plays a small part but the main reason is simply conditioning right since we are born we are told what boys should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to and what girls should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to. Actually, it happens even before we are born when the baby’s room is painted either blue or pink and the clothes are being chosen.

It is fairly well known due to several quite public cases last year. "

I don’t think kids when they are deciding their future careers pay much attention to public investigations of this nature. The choices they make are usually made well before they’re taking an interest in the boring old news.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
4 days ago

couple, us we him her.

Part of my job until about 6 months ago was visiting fire stations and I have witnessed many many TEAMS training I don't think I saw a female firefighter who I thought wouldn't be able to carry out their duties, they train pretty much daily for every conceivable possibility and the important thing to remember is they work as a Team, they tend not to enter buildings alone in fact I would imagine it's a a no no.

But they train with mannequins that are very much like a un conscious person a dead weight and I think even the fittest guy in full BA and kit would struggle to lift a fully grown man and carry him out, it's probable that they can and do but it's always going to be a struggle it's not like the movies.

They train for hours and hours on various pieces of equipment designed to make their jobs easy .

Like everything occasionally just a bit of brute force is required, but at over 100kgs I'd like to see someone lift me up and carry me down flights of stairs in a smoke filled building and I survive to tell the tale, chances are it's already too late.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
4 days ago

From the land of haribos.


"The people who can safely run into a burning building and save the people inside should be firefighters.

I don’t think it matters much what’s in their pants, as long as they can get the job done. "
Hi theshivs, yes, you are right there, as long as they can get the job done, is what matters the most too

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By *onderlust69Couple
4 days ago

Central belt


"Have you also seen the video that have gone viral of what the chief of los angeles fire department of diversity kristina larson said?

The chiefs speech comes after the fires in los angeles where the chief said that women arent strong enough to carry a man out of a burning building.

I think that of course they can be firefighters and do the same job. I was also looking into some numbers to see how many of them were women, in he usa only 6% and in the uk it was a bit more with 8%, the survey concluded that out of all people working as firefighters today, less than 10 percent are women and it looks the same all around the globe.

What is your view about it and why arent there more women that are it, could it be because it is more of a male oriented job too? "

Fuck yeah

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
4 days ago

East Sussex


"Part of my job until about 6 months ago was visiting fire stations and I have witnessed many many TEAMS training I don't think I saw a female firefighter who I thought wouldn't be able to carry out their duties, they train pretty much daily for every conceivable possibility and the important thing to remember is they work as a Team, they tend not to enter buildings alone in fact I would imagine it's a a no no.

But they train with mannequins that are very much like a un conscious person a dead weight and I think even the fittest guy in full BA and kit would struggle to lift a fully grown man and carry him out, it's probable that they can and do but it's always going to be a struggle it's not like the movies.

They train for hours and hours on various pieces of equipment designed to make their jobs easy .

Like everything occasionally just a bit of brute force is required, but at over 100kgs I'd like to see someone lift me up and carry me down flights of stairs in a smoke filled building and I survive to tell the tale, chances are it's already too late."

First hand evidence is always the best

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By *aintsnsinnersCouple
4 days ago

Tamworth

The U.K. fire service is a very male dominated environment and any woman that enters will have to prove their ability more than a male.

I know a female fire fighter that is more capable physically than most guys and carrying an adult is more technique than strength.

There are tests to ensure all fire fighters are of a standard.

Good luck to them all

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By *ertcoupleCouple
4 days ago

Hatfield

My Mrs could be... she's emptied every hose she's got a hold of 😁😁😁

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By *ealitybitesMan
4 days ago

Belfast

I know a woman who a few years ago was the only woman in Ireland with a particular qualification that allowed her to be involved in collapsed structure operations.

She wasn't a firefighter but it's not all about carrying people out of burning buildings.

I have trained with some of their special operations teams and have only met one woman on any of those training days but nothing on those days required muscle or bulk and could easily have be carried out by a woman regardless of size or strength.

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By *layfull pairingCouple
4 days ago

Bristol

If I’m stuck in a burning building with flames licking at my arse, I wouldn’t care who carried or dragged me out... I’d be extremely grateful to whoever had the courage to even try...

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
4 days ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

It sounds like a problem that will only come up rarely.

How often does anyone have to carry someone out of a burning building on their own?

I'd struggle if the person weighed over a certain amount, as would many folk.

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By *ames_Joyce6969Man
4 days ago

Cherry Burton

They can, but the issue with DEI appointments is when the entry standard is reduced to allow them to join. I don’t see any reason to exclude any demographic from entry provided that they meet the standards.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
4 days ago

From the land of haribos.


"I think many women are put off from becoming firefighters due to the culture if misogyny within the fire service.

This effectively keeps numbers of women in the service low.

If my house is on fire or I need to be cut out of my car I don't give two brass farthings who is on the other end of the hose or cutter. "
Hi nicecouple, yes, you are right there. I also think it is due to the misogyny within the fire service, yes, it doesnt matter who will save you

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By *ig_eric_tionMan
4 days ago

IPSWICH

The best person for the job is the right person.

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By *utmegsMan
4 days ago

Closer than you think

It’s all about technique not size.

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By *iss_Juicy79Woman
4 days ago

Edinburgh

Is this a joke?

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
4 days ago

From the land of haribos.


"It’s all about technique not size. "
Yes, it is all about the technique too

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By *aitonelMan
4 days ago

Liverpool

Can they? Yes

Should they? Dun dun dun....

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By *ympho6969Woman
4 days ago

glasgow

I find it funny that the only stat these people use is lifting another person.

I know plenty of men who would struggle with that. The training includes all that stuff. So if they pass, they're as good as the men. Maybe men are still stronger but doesn't mean women also aren't strong.

Who do you think they propel down a rope? Women. Who do you think the send in to squeeze into tight spaces women. So should men not be fire fighters cos they're not small enough.

The world needs to grow up and learn that diversity isn't a bad thing.

As a woman in a heavy engineering industry I find this infuriating cos I've heard it all before. 20 years I've been hearing it.

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By *ion44Man
4 days ago

scunthorpe

Women make excellent firefighters, I've worked with a few and they are just as good as the blokes beside them. Trust me when your a team of 2 going g into a building you trust your oppo with your life.

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By *acLe0dMan
4 days ago

Preston

Like a fair few jobs if someone can pass the requirements of a job be they mental or physical then they can do the job.

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By *ife NinjaMan
4 days ago

Dunfermline

Christ, i thought life had moved on from shite like saying women aren't strong enough

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By *oughmanMan
4 days ago

Sunderland

1) they have to want to do the job. I can't think of it being high on list of career choices of many.

2) they have to pass the very stringent physical tests.

I have no problems with anyone doing any jobs they choose. Firefighting is very mental and physically changing job. All for very little in return. That's not to mention getting attacked and having to deal with dickheads.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
4 days ago

North West


"Christ, i thought life had moved on from shite like saying women aren't strong enough "

Yup.

I think most people on the thread have said what I think.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
4 days ago

BRIDPORT

I don’t see a problem, as long as they’re not in the passenger seat giving directions, the fire engine would never find the fire

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By *enrietteandSamCouple
4 days ago

Staffordshire

It’s fireman Sam NOT firegirl Pam.

Fact.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
4 days ago

couple, us we him her.


"It’s fireman Sam NOT firegirl Pam.

Fact."

Loud noises

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
4 days ago

North West


"It’s fireman Sam NOT firegirl Pam.

Fact."

It's called Sam Tân and it includes Fire Officer Penny

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By *ichaelsmyMan
4 days ago

douglas

Physical Tests

The National Firefighter Physical Tests form part of the selection process, you will be required to undertake physical tests which aim to assess your level of fitness, strength and manual dexterity as well as your level of confidence in simulated exercises.

The following tests are designed to reflect operational practice and may change from time to time. Candidates will be asked to complete a Medical Screening Form prior to undertaking many of these tests, this is to ensure that individuals are fit enough to undertake them.

The 6 National Firefighter Physical Tests

Ladder Climb

Casualty Evacuation

Ladder Lift / Lower Simulation

Enclosed Spaces

Equipment Assembly

Equipment Carry

Ladder Climb

This is a test of confidence whilst working at height. Candidates must demonstrate the correct ‘leg lock’ at ground level before commencing the test. Wearing full Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), including a harness, candidates must ascend a fully extended 13.5 metre ladder to approximately second storey height and demonstrate a ‘leg lock’.

The candidate will then be required to lean back with arms outstretched and describe a symbol shown on the floor. The candidate will then descend.

Casualty Evacuation

This is a test of lower and upper body strength. Candidates in full PPE will be required to drag a 55kg casualty walking backwards (guided by an assessor) around a 30-metre course.

Ladder Lift / Lower Simulation

Again, this is a test of upper and lower body strength. Candidates in full PPE will be required to raise a bar 75 cm off the ground to a height of 182cm and back down to the 75 cm support. The weight of the bar at the lifting point will start at 5kg. The maximum load to be added is 15kg.

Enclosed Space

This is a test of confidence, agility and possible claustrophobia whilst working in an enclosed space. Candidates in full PPE and wearing a Breathing Apparatus facemask will be required to negotiate a measured crawlway within a set time. Half the route will be with clear vision and the other half with obscured vision. You will be required to perform specific tasks during this test.

Equipment Assembly

This is a test of manual dexterity. Candidates will be required to assemble and disassemble an item of equipment and follow the colour coded diagrams provided.

Equipment Carry

This is a test of aerobic fitness, muscular strength and stamina. Candidates will be required to:

Drag a hose reel from an appliance for 25 metres, then jog back 25 metres

Pick up and carry 2 coiled 70 mm hoses for 100 metres

Carry 1 coiled 70 mm hose at chest height for 25 metres, and then jog back 75 metres

Pick up and carry a 2.4 metre suction hose and basket strainer for 100 metres, then jog back 100 metres

Pick up and carry a simulated ‘Light Portable Pump’ for 100 metres (weighing approximately 30kgs).

In each of the above tests you will be given full instructions and will be required to complete them within a specified time.

Important Note: Many fire and rescue services have changed the physical tests over the past few years and there now appears to be no set standard. Although at the time of writing this article, many have returned to the original tests as detailed above. Its also worthy to note that many fire and rescue services now carry out “Taster Days” which allow you to go along and have a go at some of the above tests. Some fire and rescue services have actually only recruited from those who have attended, so worth getting yourself booked on one if offered.

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By *ansoffateMan
4 days ago

Sagittarius A

If there are physical requirements to carry out a role competently then anyone who meets those requirements can carry out that role.

I don't see how having a penis is a pre-requisite.

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By *heel markMan
4 days ago

beside the sea

https://youtu.be/1cxSLXmVfkA?si=z6IH_5A2ETL2cS8l

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
3 days ago

From the land of haribos.


"The U.K. fire service is a very male dominated environment and any woman that enters will have to prove their ability more than a male.

I know a female fire fighter that is more capable physically than most guys and carrying an adult is more technique than strength.

There are tests to ensure all fire fighters are of a standard.

Good luck to them all "
Hi _aintsnsinners, yes, there are tests to ensure all fire fighters are of a standard too

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
3 days ago

From the land of haribos.


"I really wouldn’t care who carried me out of a burning building, as long as they could. In any profession if someone qualifies and passes all the tests then they should be allowed to sign up for the job. What we have to avoid is giving people jobs just to balance the gender numbers (or any other statistic in that respect). "
Yes, it doesnt matter who does it, as long as they could do it

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By *rdenites2Couple
3 days ago

Market Bosworth

Only if there’s a fire.

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By *r Mrs FuckableCouple
3 days ago

Stoke

Dishwashers shouldn't be starting fires

Mr F.

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By *oodmessMan
3 days ago

yumsville

Only ever seen one firefighter up close, they happened to be female. She was stood in front of me at the petrol station - she looked like she could break me in two with one arm.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
3 days ago

From the land of haribos.


"I really do not care who puts the fire out as long as they do the job as well as they can."
Yes, it doesnt matter who does it

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
3 days ago

Central

It's probably been raised in profile, as a potential issue, due to the Trump suspension of diversity, equality and inclusion (DEI) programmes. He's been swamping the systems, in the first days there.

Certainly, women should be firefighters and can and do well in the role. Prevention is better than trying to cure a problem, so ideally you'll not get someone like Trump, trying to bring people against themselves as well as investing in better management of building, in a climate increasingly likely to higher fire risks, etc

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By *on_departCouple
3 days ago

West Midlands


"I think many women are put off from becoming firefighters due to the culture if misogyny within the fire service.

Is there? If there is, I don’t think it’s generally well known and the main reason for the massive gender imbalance.

No doubt it plays a small part but the main reason is simply conditioning right since we are born we are told what boys should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to and what girls should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to. Actually, it happens even before we are born when the baby’s room is painted either blue or pink and the clothes are being chosen."

Both things are true, and both are things society needs to address because they continue to be harmful.

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By *r Mrs FuckableCouple
9 hours ago

Stoke


"I think many women are put off from becoming firefighters due to the culture if misogyny within the fire service.

Is there? If there is, I don’t think it’s generally well known and the main reason for the massive gender imbalance.

No doubt it plays a small part but the main reason is simply conditioning right since we are born we are told what boys should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to and what girls should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to. Actually, it happens even before we are born when the baby’s room is painted either blue or pink and the clothes are being chosen.

Both things are true, and both are things society needs to address because they continue to be harmful."

Harmful??.. Oh behave 😂

Mr F.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
9 hours ago

Paradise, Herts


"I think many women are put off from becoming firefighters due to the culture if misogyny within the fire service.

Is there? If there is, I don’t think it’s generally well known and the main reason for the massive gender imbalance.

No doubt it plays a small part but the main reason is simply conditioning right since we are born we are told what boys should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to and what girls should do / wear / feel / think / aspire to. Actually, it happens even before we are born when the baby’s room is painted either blue or pink and the clothes are being chosen.

Both things are true, and both are things society needs to address because they continue to be harmful.

Harmful??.. Oh behave 😂

Mr F. "

🤣

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By *ny1localMan
9 hours ago

READING

Some women if they became firefighters are more likely to throw men onto the fire, rather than carrying them out.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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9 hours ago

East Sussex


"Some women if they became firefighters are more likely to throw men onto the fire, rather than carrying them out. "

What do you mean?

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By *mf123Man
9 hours ago

with one foot out the door

Depends how high up a wall they can piss

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By *icecouple561Couple
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6 hours ago

East Sussex


"Depends how high up a wall they can piss"

Give 'em a she wee and pelvic floor like a trap door and the sky's the limit

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By *ad NannaWoman
6 hours ago

East London


"Some women if they became firefighters are more likely to throw men onto the fire, rather than carrying them out. "

Of course they won't.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
53 minutes ago

North West


"Some women if they became firefighters are more likely to throw men onto the fire, rather than carrying them out. "

Yes that's exactly what the female firefighters do. It's to get the British Crown back for all the medieval witch burnings. The Pendle witches have taken their revenge!

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By *arkhorse 99Man
47 minutes ago

Manchester

Of course women can be firefighters and they can use my hose anytime

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