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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

After id applied for a new tax disc the prompt came up to register. Id thought about it for a while now so finally signed up.

Ive let my nearest and dearest know of my wishes and am now feeling great, that in the event i'm killed/die that i could potentially save someone else.

Happy Sunday people xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nice one -

i used to think nah but as soon as i had kids i changed my mind - cannot expect others to give (and i would want them to in order to save my child) and not give back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought when I read this headline it was gonna be some guy saying he had an organ he could "donate" haha but how suprising these topics can be sometimes.

I am listed as an organ donor too...only seems fair if I have working parts and the whole of me quit why not let someone else who really needs the parts have em?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nice one cute I have been on the donor listing for years think if I died part of me would live on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because of my brother's cystic fibrosis I know a few people who've had new lungs.

It is a very easy decision for me, I've been on the register for many years. You can't really take them with you, they're no good for you dead.

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By *llie RoseWoman
over a year ago

By the seaside

Can have any part of me they can use, after all not going be much use to me when I'm dead. Something I feel very passionate about after the loss of 2 very dear relatives who needed transplants and the likely hood of the loss of others due to it being an inherent condition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both of us have been on the list for years.

If they can use it, they can have it.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I should, not sure why I haven't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think every 1 shud b a doner n u sign the card if u dnt wish 2 donate ,wud b much easier than askin relatives in time of loss ,n even if ur organs r not suitable 4 transplant then the students wud b able 2 practice technique on them ,

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I've been on the donor register since I learned to drive. Not sure what use my lungs or kidneys would be though.

Daughter is on it too.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"[Removed by poster at 28/04/13 11:07:07]"

I will donate everything apart from my eye (I have a personal belief about that..)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone with one very temperamental kidney, and the strong possibility of needing a new sometime in the future I would just like to say it is a very worthy cause. So thanks guys ?? x

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I won't sign up.

I will make a living will to say that no one may cut my body up.

I have one eye on the bodies at the moment that are trying to take it out of the hands of the dead ( naturally ) and out of the hands of relatives.

I know all the arguments. I am not ready yet to sign it over tho. Time will tell.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I won't sign up.

I will make a living will to say that no one may cut my body up.

I have one eye on the bodies at the moment that are trying to take it out of the hands of the dead ( naturally ) and out of the hands of relatives.

I know all the arguments. I am not ready yet to sign it over tho. Time will tell."

Was gonna look into leaving it to medical science.. wonder if i can do both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm happy to donate my organ for others to use now and again...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wudnt think so cutensassy as med science take everything ,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I won't sign up.

I will make a living will to say that no one may cut my body up.

I have one eye on the bodies at the moment that are trying to take it out of the hands of the dead ( naturally ) and out of the hands of relatives.

I know all the arguments. I am not ready yet to sign it over tho. Time will tell.

Was gonna look into leaving it to medical science.. wonder if i can do both."

The simple answer is yes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"wudnt think so cutensassy as med science take everything ,,,,"

could they not use the bits n bobs that are left?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I won't sign up.

I will make a living will to say that no one may cut my body up.

I have one eye on the bodies at the moment that are trying to take it out of the hands of the dead ( naturally ) and out of the hands of relatives.

I know all the arguments. I am not ready yet to sign it over tho. Time will tell.

Was gonna look into leaving it to medical science.. wonder if i can do both."

You can leave it to the " Body Farm" your left out in the elements to see what bits they are attracted to and how long it takes your body to decompose etc! Not for me though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Make sure you let your relatives/next of kin know your wishes.

They still need to give permission.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I signed up years ago all relatives know and are supportive

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I won't sign up.

I will make a living will to say that no one may cut my body up.

I have one eye on the bodies at the moment that are trying to take it out of the hands of the dead ( naturally ) and out of the hands of relatives.

I know all the arguments. I am not ready yet to sign it over tho. Time will tell."

My sentiments entirely - and my children are not ready to sign up either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cannot understand why folk do not sign up. If either they or their relatives need one they would not reject it.

Law should be changed to auto ipt in not as it is now.

I respect others _iews but still smacks of selfishness.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I cannot understand why folk do not sign up. If either they or their relatives need one they would not reject it.

Law should be changed to auto ipt in not as it is now.

I respect others _iews but still smacks of selfishness."
It may well be selfish in your eyes - I can understand your _iew.

I just feel that it is my body and I have the right to decide what happens to it, nobody else.

It is a choice we all make and should remain so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Donating is very personal thing.

Some dont mind, others find it an awful idea.

Each person has to make their own mind up and decide what they wish done when they go.

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"I won't sign up.

I will make a living will to say that no one may cut my body up.

I have one eye on the bodies at the moment that are trying to take it out of the hands of the dead ( naturally ) and out of the hands of relatives.

I know all the arguments. I am not ready yet to sign it over tho. Time will tell.

My sentiments entirely - and my children are not ready to sign up either. "

The things I object to with organ donation are as follows :

1) Based on past performance, I have severe doubts as if the medical profession makes the same efforts to save an organ donor as a non-organ donor

2) I object to the element of coercion and implied consent that is being brought in

3) I don't drink, I don't smoke, I work to stay fit, I've always lived my life morally, Why should my clean lungs and kidneys go to drinkers or smokers who have ruined theirs and may do so to mine, why should my organs go to a rapist or murderer who may commit further crimes ?

4) Ethnic minorities are among the greatest organ recipients and yet ethnic minorities are amongst the lowest group or organ donors, I find this somewhat objectionable.

If I could stipulate the kind of person my organs would benefit, then yes, I'd sign up, until then, No chance

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Presumably you'd refuse an organ transplant if you needed one then.

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF

At present, yes, organ donation is a minefield of moral dilemma that the :

" one sixe fits all " approach the authorities take does not work.

Would you accept an organ from an executed Chinese political criminal, sold on the world organ market ?

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF

apologies, fat fingers, small phone buttons that was meant to be

"one size fits all " approach

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

LMAO

Is that where you think organs come from?

Maybe you should investigate the whole thing before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At present, yes, organ donation is a minefield of moral dilemma that the :

" one sixe fits all " approach the authorities take does not work.

Would you accept an organ from an executed Chinese political criminal, sold on the world organ market ?

"

At this moment in time YES please.

I am not being pedantic just realistic.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"

If I could stipulate the kind of person my organs would benefit, then yes, I'd sign up, until then, No chance

"

I would possibly feel different about donation if I could choose whom I would help - ie my own family and friends. Likewise I would only be prepared to accept transplants from those for whom I d donate if that makes sense.

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"

If I could stipulate the kind of person my organs would benefit, then yes, I'd sign up, until then, No chance

I would possibly feel different about donation if I could choose whom I would help - ie my own family and friends. Likewise I would only be prepared to accept transplants from those for whom I d donate if that makes sense."

It makes perfect sense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I won't sign up.

I will make a living will to say that no one may cut my body up.

I have one eye on the bodies at the moment that are trying to take it out of the hands of the dead ( naturally ) and out of the hands of relatives.

I know all the arguments. I am not ready yet to sign it over tho. Time will tell.

My sentiments entirely - and my children are not ready to sign up either.

The things I object to with organ donation are as follows :

1) Based on past performance, I have severe doubts as if the medical profession makes the same efforts to save an organ donor as a non-organ donor

2) I object to the element of coercion and implied consent that is being brought in

3) I don't drink, I don't smoke, I work to stay fit, I've always lived my life morally, Why should my clean lungs and kidneys go to drinkers or smokers who have ruined theirs and may do so to mine, why should my organs go to a rapist or murderer who may commit further crimes ?

4) Ethnic minorities are among the greatest organ recipients and yet ethnic minorities are amongst the lowest group or organ donors, I find this somewhat objectionable.

If I could stipulate the kind of person my organs would benefit, then yes, I'd sign up, until then, No chance

"

How fucking self centred are you crikey. Would you refuse it for yourself or a family member should it ever arise i doubt it.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"Please, don't call me a fool, I would suggest that you do some internet research into organ farming before you yourself make sweeping statements.

I will happily reply if you keep it polite, but if you continue to insult I will not

yours considerately, Tom"

But it's ok for you to insult a whole profession?

Whatever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"After id applied for a new tax disc the prompt came up to register. Id thought about it for a while now so finally signed up.

Ive let my nearest and dearest know of my wishes and am now feeling great, that in the event i'm killed/die that i could potentially save someone else.

Happy Sunday people xx "

I won't be on it... sorry but I worry that in the event of a serious accident I would be seen just as an organ donor.

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"LMAO

Is that where you think organs come from?

Maybe you should investigate the whole thing before you make an even bigger fool of yourself."

Please, don't call me a fool. I am certainly not one.

I would respectfully suggest that you do a little internet research into organ farming, and then express an opinion.

I will gladly reply further if you keep the conversation polite and respectful.

If you do not have the social grace and manners to do so, I will not

Yours

Tom

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"Please, don't call me a fool, I would suggest that you do some internet research into organ farming before you yourself make sweeping statements.

I will happily reply if you keep it polite, but if you continue to insult I will not

yours considerately, Tom

But it's ok for you to insult a whole profession?

Whatever."

I said "based on previous experience "

I assume you have also had medical staff asking you to donate a relatives' organs, while they are still alive, hours after the incident also ?

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"I won't sign up.

I will make a living will to say that no one may cut my body up.

I have one eye on the bodies at the moment that are trying to take it out of the hands of the dead ( naturally ) and out of the hands of relatives.

I know all the arguments. I am not ready yet to sign it over tho. Time will tell.

My sentiments entirely - and my children are not ready to sign up either.

The things I object to with organ donation are as follows :

1) Based on past performance, I have severe doubts as if the medical profession makes the same efforts to save an organ donor as a non-organ donor

2) I object to the element of coercion and implied consent that is being brought in

3) I don't drink, I don't smoke, I work to stay fit, I've always lived my life morally, Why should my clean lungs and kidneys go to drinkers or smokers who have ruined theirs and may do so to mine, why should my organs go to a rapist or murderer who may commit further crimes ?

4) Ethnic minorities are among the greatest organ recipients and yet ethnic minorities are amongst the lowest group or organ donors, I find this somewhat objectionable.

If I could stipulate the kind of person my organs would benefit, then yes, I'd sign up, until then, No chance

How fucking self centred are you crikey. Would you refuse it for yourself or a family member should it ever arise i doubt it."

And how ignorant are you ? Why the need for the bad language at a freely expressed opinion. Yes we would refuse, based on previous grim experience. We have agreed donation between us as a family, otherwise we would refuse from outside

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been on the list for years and also believe that if you're not registered to donate and suddenly find you need an organ replacement then you're at the back of the list behind compatible recipients who did sign up

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"At present, yes, organ donation is a minefield of moral dilemma that the :

" one sixe fits all " approach the authorities take does not work.

Would you accept an organ from an executed Chinese political criminal, sold on the world organ market ?

"

I don't know anyone waiting for a donation, but from what I have seen of people on TV and online speaking about their wait for an organ, I suspect they would be happy to get anything at all. The problem is that so many people in this country have an attitude about it, from 'UK doctors don't try as hard to save donors' (that's bullshit by the way) to 'its against my superstitions'.

So if it comes to a choice between endless dialysis/imminent death, and taking whatever is offered, I suspect most people would go for the latter.

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"Been on the list for years and also believe that if you're not registered to donate and suddenly find you need an organ replacement then you're at the back of the list behind compatible recipients who did sign up"

I agree with you,

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"Please, don't call me a fool, I would suggest that you do some internet research into organ farming before you yourself make sweeping statements.

I will happily reply if you keep it polite, but if you continue to insult I will not

yours considerately, Tom

But it's ok for you to insult a whole profession?

Whatever.

I said "based on previous experience "

I assume you have also had medical staff asking you to donate a relatives' organs, while they are still alive, hours after the incident also ?"

No way would organs be harvested from someone unless they are brain dead.

I've worked with both harvester and transplant teams in the past and in this country it just couldn't happen. There are too many checks and stages it has to go through.

It is possible for someone to be brain stem dead and still breathing with the aid of machines, if this is what happened to your relative then I am sorry you had to go through that but it happens.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"

So if it comes to a choice between endless dialysis/imminent death, and taking whatever is offered, I suspect most people would go for the latter."
I think you have a very valid point there - and I really can completely understand people accepting whatever they can get when facing this terrible situation.

It is, of course one thing discussing this from the comfort of being healthy and quite another when you are waiting for an organ. Absolutely agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its an individual choice thing, please dont insult others because theirs personal _iews dont agree with yours.

Speaking from experiance, You can have anything useful thats left when I go.

PS. I am on the other list as well

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Its an individual choice thing, please dont insult others because theirs personal _iews dont agree with yours.

"

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

If you can't be civil when debating then please don't debate at all.

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"Please, don't call me a fool, I would suggest that you do some internet research into organ farming before you yourself make sweeping statements.

I will happily reply if you keep it polite, but if you continue to insult I will not

yours considerately, Tom

But it's ok for you to insult a whole profession?

Whatever.

I said "based on previous experience "

I assume you have also had medical staff asking you to donate a relatives' organs, while they are still alive, hours after the incident also ?

No way would organs be harvested from someone unless they are brain dead.

I've worked with both harvester and transplant teams in the past and in this country it just couldn't happen. There are too many checks and stages it has to go through.

It is possible for someone to be brain stem dead and still breathing with the aid of machines, if this is what happened to your relative then I am sorry you had to go through that but it happens."

The badgering that went on at the bedside within hours was the most distasteful thing I've ever seen, "we need time to think" translated into, "have you made up your mind" every 5 minutes for 2 hours before his mother said "no"

Organ farming and organ sale is rife from my research into it. I'd be happy to be proved wrong

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"

So if it comes to a choice between endless dialysis/imminent death, and taking whatever is offered, I suspect most people would go for the latter.I think you have a very valid point there - and I really can completely understand people accepting whatever they can get when facing this terrible situation.

It is, of course one thing discussing this from the comfort of being healthy and quite another when you are waiting for an organ. Absolutely agree "

I agree, it's something that families should discuss more, there is the ever present :" it can't happen to us situation "

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"

So if it comes to a choice between endless dialysis/imminent death, and taking whatever is offered, I suspect most people would go for the latter.I think you have a very valid point there - and I really can completely understand people accepting whatever they can get when facing this terrible situation.

It is, of course one thing discussing this from the comfort of being healthy and quite another when you are waiting for an organ. Absolutely agree

I agree, it's something that families should discuss more, there is the ever present :" it can't happen to us situation ""

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The badgering that went on at the bedside within hours was the most distasteful thing I've ever seen, "we need time to think" translated into, "have you made up your mind" every 5 minutes for 2 hours before his mother said "no"

Organ farming and organ sale is rife from my research into it. I'd be happy to be proved wrong"

So sorry to hear your of experience.

Being on the waiting list is almost as heartbreaking sometimes.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"

The badgering that went on at the bedside within hours was the most distasteful thing I've ever seen, "we need time to think" translated into, "have you made up your mind" every 5 minutes for 2 hours before his mother said "no"

Organ farming and organ sale is rife from my research into it. I'd be happy to be proved wrong

So sorry to hear your of experience.

Being on the waiting list is almost as heartbreaking sometimes.

"
I actually feel bad posting my _iews on this subject knowing that there are people on the other side on here. But then I thought I need to be honest about how I feel - but I still so empathise with those who are in need.

It is such a tough and major decision I feel and as I said earlier, not one I can make at the moment.

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By *harliebbwWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

i think personally it should be something u should opt out of and not in to!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"i think personally it should be something u should opt out of and not in to! "
But then the onus is on you to make that move and there is an assumed consent unless explicitly stated - to me that is wrong as it assume your body is not yours but the governments or NHS. Does that make sense?

I only realised the other day when we had a similar discussion on here why I was feeling so uncomfortable about the opt out suggestion - for that reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think personally it should be something u should opt out of and not in to! "

then I would opt out.. x

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"

The badgering that went on at the bedside within hours was the most distasteful thing I've ever seen, "we need time to think" translated into, "have you made up your mind" every 5 minutes for 2 hours before his mother said "no"

Organ farming and organ sale is rife from my research into it. I'd be happy to be proved wrong

So sorry to hear your of experience.

Being on the waiting list is almost as heartbreaking sometimes.

"

It was Grim Rob, I will add the caveat that this was some years ago so hopefully it's moved on a little since then. His mother would, I suspect have agreed, but the constant pressure to donate swung her the other way. It really did feel like a cloud of circling vultures with scalpels poised.

The whole process does need an overhaul but all they seem to come up with is the lazy plan of unless you opt out you consent, the coercive nature of which is surely counterproductive ?

I don't know the way forward in organ donation as the subject is so individual and so emotive and so fraught with moral choices.

I suspect there would be few who would refuse and organ to a dying child, but who would want their organ to go to an imprisoned child murderer ?

An extreme example I know, but one that's implicit in blind organ donation

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"i think personally it should be something u should opt out of and not in to! But then the onus is on you to make that move and there is an assumed consent unless explicitly stated - to me that is wrong as it assume your body is not yours but the governments or NHS. Does that make sense?

I only realised the other day when we had a similar discussion on here why I was feeling so uncomfortable about the opt out suggestion - for that reason. "

I agree Aphrodite, How can people's bodies be considered "property of the state to dispose of as we see fit ?"

This treats everyone like the 1752 murder act

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"i think personally it should be something u should opt out of and not in to! But then the onus is on you to make that move and there is an assumed consent unless explicitly stated - to me that is wrong as it assume your body is not yours but the governments or NHS. Does that make sense?

I only realised the other day when we had a similar discussion on here why I was feeling so uncomfortable about the opt out suggestion - for that reason. "

I must admit that it was you saying that on the other thread that swayed me from 'opt out' but I think we need to move away from the next of kin having to be asked. If someone is on the register that should be it.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I suspect there would be few who would refuse and organ to a dying child, but who would want their organ to go to an imprisoned child murderer ?

An extreme example I know, but one that's implicit in blind organ donation"

I'd be dead, so I wouldn't know or care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Organs that are donated are given on a needs basis.

Not everyone gets what they need because their are just not enough to round.

I know if a child needed the parts I need I would step aside in an instant, and hope the medical staff would put children top of the list.

I doubt i will ever get a transplant, and have accepted the fact.

Donating must be one of those heart breaking decisions, that everyone would dread having to make.

Think the idea of presumed consent was to try to take out the human emotional side of donating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm an opted in person, when I'm dead the doctors can take what they want if it saves another persons life.

A genuine question to those that say they won't donate. If you, or someone close to you, needed a new organ to stay alive would you happily accept it knowing that when you, or they, die your organs won't be used to potentially do the same?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".

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Donating must be one of those heart breaking decisions, that everyone would dread having to make.

....................."

That's why I'd remove next of kin's right to override the donor's wishes.

MY body, MY bits, MY decision.

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By *harliebbwWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"At present, yes, organ donation is a minefield of moral dilemma that the :

" one sixe fits all " approach the authorities take does not work.

Would you accept an organ from an executed Chinese political criminal, sold on the world organ market ?

I don't know anyone waiting for a donation, but from what I have seen of people on TV and online speaking about their wait for an organ, I suspect they would be happy to get anything at all. The problem is that so many people in this country have an attitude about it, from 'UK doctors don't try as hard to save donors' (that's bullshit by the way) to 'its against my superstitions'.

So if it comes to a choice between endless dialysis/imminent death, and taking whatever is offered, I suspect most people would go for the latter."

i personally know someone awaiting for a transplant and though in the whole she hasn't been waiting long, but she "got the call" the other weekend dropped everything drove from devon to london and waited around had some more tests dun to then be told to return home as thank god the donner made it. which was a mixed bag of feelings as the disappointment/expensive a side we were happy and filled with joy because the donner had his life

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By *harliebbwWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"i think personally it should be something u should opt out of and not in to!

then I would opt out.. x"

then that is fine and i would not judge you for this just the same as i choose to opt in. but fear my wishes will not be respected if and when the question is asked to my next of kin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

fear my wishes will not be respected if and when the question is asked to my next of kin "

That does happen unfortunately, and is why you should make sure your wishes are known by your family.

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By *harliebbwWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Organs that are donated are given on a needs basis.

Not everyone gets what they need because their are just not enough to round.

I know if a child needed the parts I need I would step aside in an instant, and hope the medical staff would put children top of the list.

I doubt i will ever get a transplant, and have accepted the fact.

Donating must be one of those heart breaking decisions, that everyone would dread having to make.

Think the idea of presumed consent was to try to take out the human emotional side of donating."

lets hope ur wrong and can get what you need.

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By *harliebbwWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"

fear my wishes will not be respected if and when the question is asked to my next of kin

That does happen unfortunately, and is why you should make sure your wishes are known by your family."

they know my thoughts and feelings and know what my best friend is going thought but at the moment the chioce is with my mother and though her, her self is on the list she feels she couldn't give her consent to this being dun to "one of her babies"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm happy for any organ to be donated to save anothers life once im gone

But one thing i will never accept them taking are my eyes - always believed if they took them i wouldn't be me anymore, just some dead body

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm an opted in person, when I'm dead the doctors can take what they want if it saves another persons life.

A genuine question to those that say they won't donate. If you, or someone close to you, needed a new organ to stay alive would you happily accept it knowing that when you, or they, die your organs won't be used to potentially do the same? "

Yes indeed - a very good question!

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"Been on the list for years and also believe that if you're not registered to donate and suddenly find you need an organ replacement then you're at the back of the list behind compatible recipients who did sign up"

What if you signed up knowing your organs can't be used because of the illnesses you have and the medication you take... can you still queue jump?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I'm an opted in person, when I'm dead the doctors can take what they want if it saves another persons life.

A genuine question to those that say they won't donate. If you, or someone close to you, needed a new organ to stay alive would you happily accept it knowing that when you, or they, die your organs won't be used to potentially do the same? "
I would consider being a donor, but only for family and close friends.

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF

I think the fact that so many have responded, so quickly, and generally so sensibly to an organ donation thread on a swinging site illustrate that the subject requires some serious thought by all concerned, from the individual, to the HNS - and private medicine, to UK government level and indeed on a worldwide basis.

The principle of organ donation is a fine one in essence. The reality of the working of organ donation is however, fraught with dilemmas personal, family, religious, personal beliefs, state intervention etc.

I would, in all honesty, not wish to be the one to implement the policy as it is so individual and subjective.

I can offer arguments, pros, cons, but to implement policy free from one's own beliefs and experience is a minefield.

My own opinions - and everyone is entitled to feel differently let me hasten to add are :

1) There MUST be an opt in, not an automatic State right to use individual's body as the State wishes.

2) it is an individual's right to opt in, not the right of family members.

3) organs must be legitimately and morally sourced.

4) there must be the right to change one's mind up the the very point of death.

5) there must be some priority to those who ARE on an organ donation scheme to be prioritised for organ donation over those who HAVE REFUSED to donate their organs.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I think the fact that so many have responded, so quickly, and generally so sensibly to an organ donation thread on a swinging site illustrate that the subject requires some serious thought by all concerned, from the individual, to the HNS - and private medicine, to UK government level and indeed on a worldwide basis.

The principle of organ donation is a fine one in essence. The reality of the working of organ donation is however, fraught with dilemmas personal, family, religious, personal beliefs, state intervention etc.

I would, in all honesty, not wish to be the one to implement the policy as it is so individual and subjective.

I can offer arguments, pros, cons, but to implement policy free from one's own beliefs and experience is a minefield.

My own opinions - and everyone is entitled to feel differently let me hasten to add are :

1) There MUST be an opt in, not an automatic State right to use individual's body as the State wishes.

2) it is an individual's right to opt in, not the right of family members.

3) organs must be legitimately and morally sourced.

4) there must be the right to change one's mind up the the very point of death.

5) there must be some priority to those who ARE on an organ donation scheme to be prioritised for organ donation over those who HAVE REFUSED to donate their organs."
I could go along with what you are saying here -it sounds fair to me. You are right in that the discussion is one to be ongoing until all issues are addressed.

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

Ok, I've read this thread and I believe EVERYONE is right in their thoughts and beliefs. It is a very very personal thing

However, that being said, its a very emotive subject for me as I've been on both sides of this now.

My friends dad received a kidney on Friday night and is doing very well now. I am so relieved he is well

In 2005 I was in a hospital meeting room at 5pm when my ex and her dad were told there was no way back for her mum

The doctors couldn't believe that the first words out of her mouth 20 minutes later after collapsing on the floor in tears and hysterics were

'My mum is an organ donor - take anything you can'.

It was the bravest sentence I've ever heard from anyone.

6 weeks later we met the transplant co-ordinator who gave us 3 letters from 3 adults who were alive thanks to that sentence.

It is up to everyone to make their own choice and I will fight tooth and nail to protect that - I don't think it should be automatic, but having been on both sides, I would ask that everyone considers it. You can even specify things they can't take

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

They can have whatever they like from me. If people dont want to give their organs that is their personal choice, however, i dont think they should recieve organs from someone else. If they are not willing to help someone live then why should they get the opportunity. It could go to someone who is on the organ donation register.

I think it should be an opt out not an opt in

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF

That sums it up exactly ANDYKAY and it what makes it so hard to cover in a "catch all" piece of legislation.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Ok, I've read this thread and I believe EVERYONE is right in their thoughts and beliefs. It is a very very personal thing

However, that being said, its a very emotive subject for me as I've been on both sides of this now.

My friends dad received a kidney on Friday night and is doing very well now. I am so relieved he is well

In 2005 I was in a hospital meeting room at 5pm when my ex and her dad were told there was no way back for her mum

The doctors couldn't believe that the first words out of her mouth 20 minutes later after collapsing on the floor in tears and hysterics were

'My mum is an organ donor - take anything you can'.

It was the bravest sentence I've ever heard from anyone.

6 weeks later we met the transplant co-ordinator who gave us 3 letters from 3 adults who were alive thanks to that sentence.

It is up to everyone to make their own choice and I will fight tooth and nail to protect that - I don't think it should be automatic, but having been on both sides, I would ask that everyone considers it. You can even specify things they can't take "

Very well said as very balanced!

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

You cannot legislate this subject

I'm a big hairy guy, 39, dad etc etc and I'm still wiping my eyes now!!

This is such an emotive subject it MUST be a personal choice ONLY!!!!

But remember this, if you decide it's for you, you MUST tell everyone close to you as its ultimately their decision. Only they can sign the papers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm an opted in person, when I'm dead the doctors can take what they want if it saves another persons life.

A genuine question to those that say they won't donate. If you, or someone close to you, needed a new organ to stay alive would you happily accept it knowing that when you, or they, die your organs won't be used to potentially do the same? I would consider being a donor, but only for family and close friends."

Fair enough, and I assume you would only accept one if required from the same selection to which you are prepared to give.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I'm an opted in person, when I'm dead the doctors can take what they want if it saves another persons life.

A genuine question to those that say they won't donate. If you, or someone close to you, needed a new organ to stay alive would you happily accept it knowing that when you, or they, die your organs won't be used to potentially do the same? I would consider being a donor, but only for family and close friends.

Fair enough, and I assume you would only accept one if required from the same selection to which you are prepared to give."
Absolutely as I mentioned earlier on the thread I think. Would not be fair otherwise.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Are we talking Wurlitzer or Hammond here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm an opted in person, when I'm dead the doctors can take what they want if it saves another persons life.

A genuine question to those that say they won't donate. If you, or someone close to you, needed a new organ to stay alive would you happily accept it knowing that when you, or they, die your organs won't be used to potentially do the same? I would consider being a donor, but only for family and close friends.

Fair enough, and I assume you would only accept one if required from the same selection to which you are prepared to give.Absolutely as I mentioned earlier on the thread I think. Would not be fair otherwise."

Indeed it would not!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" ...................

But remember this, if you decide it's for you, you MUST tell everyone close to you as its ultimately their decision. Only they can sign the papers "

That's why I'm convinced next of kin shouldn't be allowed to over-ride the donor's wishes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At present, yes, organ donation is a minefield of moral dilemma that the :

" one sixe fits all " approach the authorities take does not work.

Would you accept an organ from an executed Chinese political criminal, sold on the world organ market ?

I don't know anyone waiting for a donation, but from what I have seen of people on TV and online speaking about their wait for an organ, I suspect they would be happy to get anything at all. The problem is that so many people in this country have an attitude about it, from 'UK doctors don't try as hard to save donors' (that's bullshit by the way) to 'its against my superstitions'.

So if it comes to a choice between endless dialysis/imminent death, and taking whatever is offered, I suspect most people would go for the latter."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are both on the doner list, my sister needed blood tranplants after labour so I'm thankful there are people who give blood or we would have lost my sister so thanks to all you guys who give blood on here also my friends mum who is fighting cancer will soon need a tranplant. ( can't remember what it is lol) all I know is the doner is tested n the perfect doner has to inject themselves everyday for this tranplant iv also told my friends mum I'd be more than happy to put my name forward to see if I can help, I'm all for helping people in having a second chance in life x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" ...................

But remember this, if you decide it's for you, you MUST tell everyone close to you as its ultimately their decision. Only they can sign the papers

That's why I'm convinced next of kin shouldn't be allowed to over-ride the donor's wishes."

I'm on the list and carry a card. If my next of kin said no..... that's just insane. It's my body!!

I was very much in favour of them changing to an 'opt out' system but after reading this thread now I'm not as sure. Some very good points from both sides.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

If someone is in favour of saving lives by giving organs they cannot then say that those who won't donate can't have.

It's not swap shop.

If we save lives by giving organs then it's for everybody.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"If someone is in favour of saving lives by giving organs they cannot then say that those who won't donate can't have.

It's not swap shop.

If we save lives by giving organs then it's for everybody.

"

I would if i could, if it was possible i would put down that i would only want my organs donated to those that are on the register. Why should someone be prepared to take something that they are not prepared to give

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By *lyce and Mister MCouple
over a year ago

Falkirk

Can have any part of me to help others when I die !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I won't sign up.

I will make a living will to say that no one may cut my body up.

I have one eye on the bodies at the moment that are trying to take it out of the hands of the dead ( naturally ) and out of the hands of relatives.

I know all the arguments. I am not ready yet to sign it over tho. Time will tell.

My sentiments entirely - and my children are not ready to sign up either.

The things I object to with organ donation are as follows :

1) Based on past performance, I have severe doubts as if the medical profession makes the same efforts to save an organ donor as a non-organ donor

2) I object to the element of coercion and implied consent that is being brought in

3) I don't drink, I don't smoke, I work to stay fit, I've always lived my life morally, Why should my clean lungs and kidneys go to drinkers or smokers who have ruined theirs and may do so to mine, why should my organs go to a rapist or murderer who may commit further crimes ?

4) Ethnic minorities are among the greatest organ recipients and yet ethnic minorities are amongst the lowest group or organ donors, I find this somewhat objectionable.

If I could stipulate the kind of person my organs would benefit, then yes, I'd sign up, until then, No chance

How fucking self centred are you crikey. Would you refuse it for yourself or a family member should it ever arise i doubt it."

Don't think that is self centred at all as I definitely agree with no 3 and add obese people to it, I may be on the donation list but I would be seriously pissed off with any part of my body being wasted on those who have deliberately wrecked their own bodies. Lets also consider what they may do after the transplant, George Best springs to mind, gets a liver transplant due to alcoholism but carries on drinking afterwards. Indeed my children's father died foremost of swine flu, secondary was complete organ failure due to alcoholism and drug use. Had he not been ill with swine flu, what would have been the point in giving him a new liver or kidneys for example? None whatsoever

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF

Hello Again All,

As this has been so civilised I have decided to make another few points that people should consider regarding organ donation

1) The vivisection aspect. An organ donor, whilst certified as brain dead, is in fact dissected whilst still alive without the benefit of any anaesthesia. There is a debate in medical circles as to if pain can still be felt or not.

2) Your donated organs may go to a private patient or out of the U.K.. You have no choice in the matter, so in effect your donated organs can be used for profit.

3) The black and Asian community are 3-4 times as likely to require a donated organ than the Caucasian community, yet the level of organ donors from the black and Asian community is "lamentably low" to quote one professional paper. I mention points 2 -3 of this as an illustration of the ethical dilemma behind the "take but not give" aspect of organ donation.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

we both have cards - i used to be on the bone marrow listing but moved so need to get back on it. Z

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By *lyce and Mister MCouple
over a year ago

Falkirk

My son died needing a new heart, due to an issue genetically I couldn't donate his other organs, knowing the pain of organ donation I will always sign up.

each person is very individual on this, no right, no wrong, just personal choice.

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"My son died needing a new heart, due to an issue genetically I couldn't donate his other organs, knowing the pain of organ donation I will always sign up.

each person is very individual on this, no right, no wrong, just personal choice."

That is awful, I empathise with you as much as anyone who's not directly involved can. And you are so right, it's so individual

x

Tom

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"My son died needing a new heart, due to an issue genetically I couldn't donate his other organs, knowing the pain of organ donation I will always sign up.

each person is very individual on this, no right, no wrong, just personal choice."

I am so sorry to read this and I cannot even begin to understand what it might be like to be you, all that pain! And yet you still manage to understand that people may have different perceptions - you must be a true humanist. How humbling is your post!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"After id applied for a new tax disc the prompt came up to register. Id thought about it for a while now so finally signed up.

Ive let my nearest and dearest know of my wishes and am now feeling great, that in the event i'm killed/die that i could potentially save someone else.

happy Sunday people xx "

we did this years ago

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By *lyce and Mister MCouple
over a year ago

Falkirk


"My son died needing a new heart, due to an issue genetically I couldn't donate his other organs, knowing the pain of organ donation I will always sign up.

each person is very individual on this, no right, no wrong, just personal choice.

I am so sorry to read this and I cannot even begin to understand what it might be like to be you, all that pain! And yet you still manage to understand that people may have different perceptions - you must be a true humanist. How humbling is your post! "

Im just a very non Judgemental person, my world _iew is that we wear different shoes, choose different paths, live different lives and no one is right or wrong in it. We simply don't know how others would react to situations and who are we as humans to judge them. Xxxx

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"My son died needing a new heart, due to an issue genetically I couldn't donate his other organs, knowing the pain of organ donation I will always sign up.

each person is very individual on this, no right, no wrong, just personal choice.

I am so sorry to read this and I cannot even begin to understand what it might be like to be you, all that pain! And yet you still manage to understand that people may have different perceptions - you must be a true humanist. How humbling is your post!

Im just a very non Judgemental person, my world _iew is that we wear different shoes, choose different paths, live different lives and no one is right or wrong in it. We simply don't know how others would react to situations and who are we as humans to judge them. Xxxx"
I really admire your courage. xxx

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By *uxtapositionMan
over a year ago

CARDIFF


"My son died needing a new heart, due to an issue genetically I couldn't donate his other organs, knowing the pain of organ donation I will always sign up.

each person is very individual on this, no right, no wrong, just personal choice.

I am so sorry to read this and I cannot even begin to understand what it might be like to be you, all that pain! And yet you still manage to understand that people may have different perceptions - you must be a true humanist. How humbling is your post!

Im just a very non Judgemental person, my world _iew is that we wear different shoes, choose different paths, live different lives and no one is right or wrong in it. We simply don't know how others would react to situations and who are we as humans to judge them. Xxxx"

I doff my cap to you, Ma'am

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I won't sign up.

I will make a living will to say that no one may cut my body up.

I have one eye on the bodies at the moment that are trying to take it out of the hands of the dead ( naturally ) and out of the hands of relatives.

I know all the arguments. I am not ready yet to sign it over tho. Time will tell.

Was gonna look into leaving it to medical science.. wonder if i can do both.

The simple answer is yes."

Are you sure? They won't take a body after a post mortem and can;t see why a harvest would be any different?

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

I carry a donor card and they can take anything they want. But I don't intend to leave any organs worth having

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The badgering that went on at the bedside within hours was the most distasteful thing I've ever seen, "we need time to think" translated into, "have you made up your mind" every 5 minutes for 2 hours before his mother said "no"

Organ farming and organ sale is rife from my research into it. I'd be happy to be proved wrong

So sorry to hear your of experience.

Being on the waiting list is almost as heartbreaking sometimes.

It was Grim Rob, I will add the caveat that this was some years ago so hopefully it's moved on a little since then. His mother would, I suspect have agreed, but the constant pressure to donate swung her the other way. It really did feel like a cloud of circling vultures with scalpels poised.

The whole process does need an overhaul but all they seem to come up with is the lazy plan of unless you opt out you consent, the coercive nature of which is surely counterproductive ?

I don't know the way forward in organ donation as the subject is so individual and so emotive and so fraught with moral choices.

I suspect there would be few who would refuse and organ to a dying child, but who would want their organ to go to an imprisoned child murderer ?

An extreme example I know, but one that's implicit in blind organ donation"

The problem is that what many people don't realise is that there are very strict criteria fow when organs can be harvested. Most people on here won't be suitable for harvesting whatever their wishes so when somebody fits the bill, sadly their is going to be urgency on the doctors' part to get the organs.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"

The badgering that went on at the bedside within hours was the most distasteful thing I've ever seen, "we need time to think" translated into, "have you made up your mind" every 5 minutes for 2 hours before his mother said "no"

Organ farming and organ sale is rife from my research into it. I'd be happy to be proved wrong

So sorry to hear your of experience.

Being on the waiting list is almost as heartbreaking sometimes.

It was Grim Rob, I will add the caveat that this was some years ago so hopefully it's moved on a little since then. His mother would, I suspect have agreed, but the constant pressure to donate swung her the other way. It really did feel like a cloud of circling vultures with scalpels poised.

The whole process does need an overhaul but all they seem to come up with is the lazy plan of unless you opt out you consent, the coercive nature of which is surely counterproductive ?

I don't know the way forward in organ donation as the subject is so individual and so emotive and so fraught with moral choices.

I suspect there would be few who would refuse and organ to a dying child, but who would want their organ to go to an imprisoned child murderer ?

An extreme example I know, but one that's implicit in blind organ donation

The problem is that what many people don't realise is that there are very strict criteria fow when organs can be harvested. Most people on here won't be suitable for harvesting whatever their wishes so when somebody fits the bill, sadly their is going to be urgency on the doctors' part to get the organs."

But we'll be dead so that won't bother us - if no one carried the card there wouldn't be any organs to donate so it must be worth it. Z

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