FabSwingers.com forum: Does everyone have the right to own a pet?

By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Is there anyone you think shouldn't?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

People who can't afford it and are not mobile enough to look after it properly.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"People who can't afford it and are not mobile enough to look after it properly. "
Cannot afford it in what way?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

People that own a pet for the wrong reasons, abuse,cross breeding. Dont think you have to be very mobile to own a hamster or gold fish

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"People who can't afford it and are not mobile enough to look after it properly. Cannot afford it in what way?"

A money one!

People on benefits tell you what they get is not enough to support themselves let alone any pet they want to have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People who cannot look after themselves or their home. Animals shouldn't be made to live in squalor. Blake's favourite place is the sofa - which is hoovered daily (sometimes twice) so its not full of hair and dead skin cells. He is deflead monthly and wormed monthly too (following vet advice) he is groomed daily as well as being fed, played with and having a bone.

He did however nearly find himself in bother last night for leaving his pig's ear in a safe place... my handbag!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Finances not ordinances

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"People that own a pet for the wrong reasons, abuse,cross breeding. Dont think you have to be very mobile to own a hamster or gold fish

You have to be able to clean them out

And what if the hamster escapes

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

People who see certain animals as some kind of 'hard' status symbols.

People who lose interest quickly and end up neglecting their animal.

People who are ignorant of the animal's needs as they just thought it would look 'cool'.

People who have no patience and lose their tempers quickly.

People who are not financially organised enough to ensure they can not only feed the animal correctly but also pay for medical care when needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you don't gave adequate accomodation, money for food, toys and vet bills, or have time to spend with whatever animal small or large then no you shouldn't have a pet.

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

When I was a child my gold fish died and my Dad disposed of it but he decided to leave my gold fish tank full of water on the table as an experiment.

I noticed the tank was empty around 3 months later.

So no not everyone should be allowed pets.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"People who can't afford it and are not mobile enough to look after it properly. Cannot afford it in what way?

A money one!

People on benefits tell you what they get is not enough to support themselves let alone any pet they want to have.

But it goes for anyone whose ordinances are stretched, employed or otherwise. It'd about priorities and I don't see new pets as a priority (I say New as I know people can have lets before they hit financial difficulties)"
Ok but in todays climate, its not beyond the realms of possibility that people could lose their financial security for a while, should they give their pets up?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"People who can't afford it and are not mobile enough to look after it properly. Cannot afford it in what way?

A money one!

People on benefits tell you what they get is not enough to support themselves let alone any pet they want to have.

But it goes for anyone whose ordinances are stretched, employed or otherwise. It'd about priorities and I don't see new pets as a priority (I say New as I know people can have lets before they hit financial difficulties)Ok but in todays climate, its not beyond the realms of possibility that people could lose their financial security for a while, should they give their pets up?

That's why I put in my post 'financially organised'. I think people can take care of pets perfectly well even if they are on a low income, whether they are in paid work or in receipt of benefits.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"People who can't afford it and are not mobile enough to look after it properly. Cannot afford it in what way?

A money one!

People on benefits tell you what they get is not enough to support themselves let alone any pet they want to have.

But it goes for anyone whose ordinances are stretched, employed or otherwise. It'd about priorities and I don't see new pets as a priority (I say New as I know people can have lets before they hit financial difficulties)Ok but in todays climate, its not beyond the realms of possibility that people could lose their financial security for a while, should they give their pets up?

That's why I put in my post 'financially organised'. I think people can take care of pets perfectly well even if they are on a low income, whether they are in paid work or in receipt of benefits."
I do, but there are some that wouldn't agree.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"People who can't afford it and are not mobile enough to look after it properly. Cannot afford it in what way?

A money one!

People on benefits tell you what they get is not enough to support themselves let alone any pet they want to have.

But it goes for anyone whose ordinances are stretched, employed or otherwise. It'd about priorities and I don't see new pets as a priority (I say New as I know people can have lets before they hit financial difficulties)Ok but in todays climate, its not beyond the realms of possibility that people could lose their financial security for a while, should they give their pets up?

That's why I said NEW pets. If you are in the shit why would you get a NEW pet to feed andlook after?

I never said anyone hhad to give their pet's up. Although if ever I was in that situation and I couldn't afford to feed or house myself I would get rid of my cats no problem. I am my first priority

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"People who can't afford it and are not mobile enough to look after it properly. Cannot afford it in what way?

A money one!

People on benefits tell you what they get is not enough to support themselves let alone any pet they want to have.

But it goes for anyone whose ordinances are stretched, employed or otherwise. It'd about priorities and I don't see new pets as a priority (I say New as I know people can have lets before they hit financial difficulties)Ok but in todays climate, its not beyond the realms of possibility that people could lose their financial security for a while, should they give their pets up?

That's why I said NEW pets. If you are in the shit why would you get a NEW pet to feed andlook after?

I never said anyone hhad to give their pet's up. Although if ever I was in that situation and I couldn't afford to feed or house myself I would get rid of my cats no problem. I am my first priority "
To some who are attached to their pets its easier said than done, don't know until you are in that situation really.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"People who can't afford it and are not mobile enough to look after it properly. Cannot afford it in what way?

A money one!

People on benefits tell you what they get is not enough to support themselves let alone any pet they want to have.

But it goes for anyone whose ordinances are stretched, employed or otherwise. It'd about priorities and I don't see new pets as a priority (I say New as I know people can have lets before they hit financial difficulties)Ok but in todays climate, its not beyond the realms of possibility that people could lose their financial security for a while, should they give their pets up?

If the animal/s are content, fed well, cared for, nurtured, not bored, stressed and can be given medical treatment when required, a person's income is an irrelevance.

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

north Down

Everyone should have the right to do whatever they like as long as you don't break the law and by law I mean natural law/ law of the land/ or dare I say god given law .. Not admiralty law or man made law ... Which we have been forced into.. If you know the difference then have as many pets as you like... :-

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I'm not saying it would be easy as I obviously care for my cats but if I can't afford to look after them how can I say I care about them?

Luckily I don't think my family would ever let me be in that position but I know others aren't so lucky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there anyone you think shouldn't?

I would start with baring all the people who go on Jezza's show then ban all the audience and while we are at it all those who watch the show.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I'm not saying it would be easy as I obviously care for my cats but if I can't afford to look after them how can I say I care about them?

Luckily I don't think my family would ever let me be in that position but I know others aren't so lucky. "
I wouldn't like to be in that position either.

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By *heekychezzaWoman
over a year ago

warrington

I would buy food for my cats before food for myself luckily I'm in the position where I can always scrounge the odd meal from family n friends.

I wouldn't get any more pets though.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I would buy food for my cats before food for myself luckily I'm in the position where I can always scrounge the odd meal from family n friends.

I wouldn't get any more pets though."
A lot of people would do the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"No. "
I take it you don't wish to elaborate any further?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. I take it you don't wish to elaborate any further?

Just too many knob heads out there who do not realise the responsibility of owning a pet. you only have to look at the amount of abandoned pets in rescue homes to see that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there anyone you think shouldn't?

Psychos with penises like button mushrooms who use their dog (usually) as a cock extension, allowing them to run off a lead attacking anything they choose, and also those who use dogs for fighting.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I'm a little unsteady at the thought of government departments deciding what groups of people in our society should not be permitted to have pets, if the law courts ban an individual from owning an animal on cruelty grounds then that's a perfectly acceptable reason....but banning those on benefits from having pets?

Not for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My kids always wanted and still want a dog but im too selfish to look after one so we don't have one.

I agree those that cant afford or care for a pet should not get them...pets have a right to a good life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree those that cant afford or care for a pet should not get them...pets have a right to a good life."

There is nothnig worse than seeing a animal thats had a bad life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People who abuse and dont look after their pets. Animal shelters full of strays and pets like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People that own a pet for the wrong reasons, abuse,cross breeding. Dont think you have to be very mobile to own a hamster or gold fish

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you aint met our hamster Karen lol,she's an escapologist and a usain bolt impersonator when she escapes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In our house the kids the wife and the pets come 1st and if there is any love left to give, then I may get it

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"People who abuse and dont look after their pets. Animal shelters full of strays and pets like that."
What about the people who kill their pets with kindness?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to be married to an Air Force member and it used to really bother me that people would adopt a pet wherever they lived then decide it was too expensive to move them when they got stationed at another duty station. I always think if you're not prepared to have the pet for it's lifetime then maybe you should really consider not getting one if you can't make a commitment to properly take care of and maintain an animal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People who abuse and dont look after their pets. Animal shelters full of strays and pets like that.What about the people who kill their pets with kindness?"

The ones who feed their pets to be huge porkers are nearly as cruel as the abusers.

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

I work in a vet clinic and I believe if you cant afford the things needed to keep a pet well , flea and worm free and money put by for the animal when it is sick.

People come in to me asking for free treatment whilst smoking /driving a car and running a mobile fone telling me they are on benefits.

You need money to own an animal In my opinion.

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

Owning a pet is totally selfish. A true animal lover would leave them to exist in their own natural environment rather than forcing them to live in ours for our own amusement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You could say the same before starting a family, but these day's some see having kids as away to getting money for nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work in a vet clinic and I believe if you cant afford the things needed to keep a pet well , flea and worm free and money put by for the animal when it is sick.

People come in to me asking for free treatment whilst smoking /driving a car and running a mobile fone telling me they are on benefits.

You need money to own an animal In my opinion."
you could say the same about starting a family, but some see leaving kids as a way of getting money for nothing

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Owning a pet is totally selfish. A true animal lover would leave them to exist in their own natural environment rather than forcing them to live in ours for our own amusement."
So where are domestic dogs/cats naturally supposed to be?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Owning a pet is totally selfish. A true animal lover would leave them to exist in their own natural environment rather than forcing them to live in ours for our own amusement."

You can't force a cat to do anything it can leave any time it likes it just prefers the waitress service and a warm place to sleep and if you understood them you would realise that.

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

"I work in a vet clinic and I believe if you cant afford the things needed to keep a pet well , flea and worm free and money put by for the animal when it is sick.

People come in to me asking for free treatment whilst smoking /driving a car and running a mobile fone telling me they are on benefits.

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You need money to own an animal In my opinion. you could say the same about starting a family, but some see leaving kids as a way of getting money for nothing "

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I quite agree you could say the same.. they produce those like rabbits too. never heard of condoms of course.

I think many people are very responsible owners those that insure or put money away to pay for pet illness.

I have 5 parrots all insured had 3 of them 20 years they are well looked after and very much loved.

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

Everyone has the RIGHT to own a pet unless a court says otherwise......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The answer is simple and that's is everyone does have the right as long as they can display they have the skills to look after a pet and also exhibit the desire and commitment to do so. Personally I think the fins are too lenient for those who don't but there you go that's the authorities these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like the saying on the RSPCA adverts

every dog deserves a home but not every home deserves a dog

never a truer word spoken

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like the saying on the RSPCA adverts

every dog deserves a home but not every home deserves a dog

never a truer word spoken "

Spot on there its true. Sadly the dogs homes do seem to let people I wouldn't have dogs I guess when they are crowded they have to take a risk at times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People who cannot look after themselves or their home. Animals shouldn't be made to live in squalor. Blake's favourite place is the sofa - which is hoovered daily (sometimes twice) so its not full of hair and dead skin cells. He is deflead monthly and wormed monthly too (following vet advice) he is groomed daily as well as being fed, played with and having a bone.

He did however nearly find himself in bother last night for leaving his pig's ear in a safe place... my handbag! "

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

"Owning a pet is totally selfish. A true animal lover would leave them to exist in their own natural environment rather than forcing them to live in ours for our own amusement.

You can't force a cat to do anything it can leave any time it likes it just prefers the waitress service and a warm place to sleep and if you understood them you would realise that. "

My cat is insured, regularly de-flea'd, wormed and vaccinations up to date - to be honest, I'd probably feed her before myself if I had to (I've plenty of fat to keep me going for a while!)...can see myself as a crazy cat woman easily!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like the saying on the RSPCA adverts

every dog deserves a home but not every home deserves a dog

never a truer word spoken

Spot on there its true. Sadly the dogs homes do seem to let people I wouldn't have dogs I guess when they are crowded they have to take a risk at times. "

Which dogs homes do this then?

All we can do is interview people, ask ehat they can offer, see their circumstances, meet the pet yhey eant to see if they click and go to their homes to see if its suitable.

We would never allow pets in a bad home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like the saying on the RSPCA adverts

every dog deserves a home but not every home deserves a dog

never a truer word spoken

Spot on there its true. Sadly the dogs homes do seem to let people I wouldn't have dogs I guess when they are crowded they have to take a risk at times.

Which dogs homes do this then?

All we can do is interview people, ask ehat they can offer, see their circumstances, meet the pet yhey eant to see if they click and go to their homes to see if its suitable.

We would never allow pets in a bad home

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oh and we never take a risk like you say in that aspect, we care for animals and eould never send them to a home we dont feel is a forever home! If overcrowded they get sent to foster homes or another base!,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Owning a pet is totally selfish. A true animal lover would leave them to exist in their own natural environment rather than forcing them to live in ours for our own amusement."

in many ways I have to agree with you, but dogs have been domesticated for hundreds of years now and many wouldn't survive going alone, so if everyone who was a true animal lover all kicked their dogs out tomorrow to live free we'd have some real problems

I agree animals should never have been domesticated but the top and bottom of it many have been so its not our duty to provide for them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like the saying on the RSPCA adverts

every dog deserves a home but not every home deserves a dog

never a truer word spoken

Spot on there its true. Sadly the dogs homes do seem to let people I wouldn't have dogs I guess when they are crowded they have to take a risk at times.

Which dogs homes do this then?

All we can do is interview people, ask ehat they can offer, see their circumstances, meet the pet yhey eant to see if they click and go to their homes to see if its suitable.

We would never allow pets in a bad home

am I also right in saying you never own a dog from a shelter you just foster it and the home can take it back at any time if they see fit?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I have had the pleasure of "owning" 3 generations of Border Collies, several Budgerigars and a Tortoise.

Some people however could not be entrusted with the wellbeing of themselves let alone any other species it has to be said

Still continuing in my search for a reversing Goldfish though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

now I have to be honest, one thing I really do hate to see are birds in cages, birds have wings for a reason

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like the saying on the RSPCA adverts

every dog deserves a home but not every home deserves a dog

never a truer word spoken

Spot on there its true. Sadly the dogs homes do seem to let people I wouldn't have dogs I guess when they are crowded they have to take a risk at times.

Which dogs homes do this then?

All we can do is interview people, ask ehat they can offer, see their circumstances, meet the pet yhey eant to see if they click and go to their homes to see if its suitable.

We would never allow pets in a bad home

am I also right in saying you never own a dog from a shelter you just foster it and the home can take it back at any time if they see fit?"

I adopted my dog from dogs trust in glasgow last year and he is my dog now, i paid the adoption fee on collecting him. Dogs trust will always be there for support if needed but the only way they will get him back is if i ever gave him up which id never do as he is part of me now

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

"Owning a pet is totally selfish. A true animal lover would leave them to exist in their own natural environment rather than forcing them to live in ours for our own amusement.

You can't force a cat to do anything it can leave any time it likes it just prefers the waitress service and a warm place to sleep and if you understood them you would realise that. "

I never said I didn't have any animals living with me did I? In fact I currently have 4 cats, all raised from kittens, all house cats with no concept of the outdoors where cats often fall prey to abuse from so-called humans and traffic. Not to mention the problems they can cause in the community with their waste products and desire to break into the rubbish humans leave around.

'If I understood cats' I have a thorough understanding of cats, snakes, parrots and dogs, to name but a few species. Dogs in particular as I used to do a lot of volunteer work for a local dog rescue rehabilitating dogs that have been discarded by humans after they are installed major behaviour issues by the ignorant idiots who 'have the right' to own them... till they get fed up with them that is!!!

If you had any idea of the amount of time, effort, patients and expense people like myself put into recovering these poor creatures and turning them back into re-homeable 'pets' that can be 'owned' you might understand my comments instead of making totally incorrect assumptions.

I'm not the one who needs telling that animals cannot, rather should not be FORCED!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Owning a pet is totally selfish. A true animal lover would leave them to exist in their own natural environment rather than forcing them to live in ours for our own amusement."

Try explaining that theory to my cat, it won't be received positively

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no offence to OP but such a silly question.

of course you have no right if you cannot care for and give that pet the life it deserves until it's time is up. too many people think pets are disposable.

would you think everyone has the right to a child just because tgey want one??

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over a year ago

"Owning a pet is totally selfish. A true animal lover would leave them to exist in their own natural environment rather than forcing them to live in ours for our own amusement.

You can't force a cat to do anything it can leave any time it likes it just prefers the waitress service and a warm place to sleep and if you understood them you would realise that.

I'm not the one who needs telling that animals cannot, rather should not be FORCED!!!"

Yep spot on I am off to the abattoir tomorrow to watch them butcher a couple dozen pigs and get some offal for the whippets and cats.

On another point its incredibly cruel keeping cats incarcerated in a house never letting them feel soil and grass under paw, climb trees, explore the great outdoors. I would go as far as to say if you don't live in a pet friendly area then maybe you shouldn't have them.

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

"Owning a pet is totally selfish. A true animal lover would leave them to exist in their own natural environment rather than forcing them to live in ours for our own amusement.So where are domestic dogs/cats naturally supposed to be?"

As has been mentioned by another poster... the dog, rather the domestic dog was created from wolves to service the needs of man. Some time later in history they have also been developed as ornaments and toys purely for the amusement of humans. It's these 'pet' breeds that have the behaviour issues. Working dogs, dogs with a practical purpose typically do not have behaviour issues.

The domestic cat has also been developed from wild cats purely for human amusement, an ornament/pet.

Yes, its correct, now that humans have created these creatures we now have a massive burden of responsibility for them, a responsibility that some of us managed better than some others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The domestic cat has also been developed from wild cats purely for human amusement, an ornament/pet.

Yes, its correct, now that humans have created these creatures we now have a massive burden of responsibility for them, a responsibility that some of us managed better than some others."

Up north we go for proper dogs that aren't really ornamental like the southerners do. We have whippets, lurchers collies and Jack Russells. We take them out in fields let them run and catch rabbits etc. The cats are free range ones that nip into the fields and hunt mice and voles. The only amusement we get is when the dog gets the rabbit and thats not the one under yer mrs bed.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"now I have to be honest, one thing I really do hate to see are birds in cages, birds have wings for a reason "

Most of the time ours were free to fly round the house, it was a constant battle with their droppings though.

One I had even used to sit on the edge of ma Sunday dinner plate & eat mashed potato and gravy

Sparky was a very messy eater though and his table manners left a lot to be desired

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

Actually its 4 cats at least that will never get run over, they will never get shot by someones kid with an air gun. They will never have stones thrown at them by people who don't like them shitting in their garden. They will not get ripped apart by a dog... etc.

Cruel? Maybe tell that to the human who allowed them to breed! Cruel, they have no concept of the outside world and therefore don't miss it. They could leave if they wanted but they don't, for the same reason as the parrots do not fly away, they are perfectly happy where they are with all the needs accounted for.

They are not 'incarcerated' they are not 'owned' they choose to live here perfectly content based on their concept of life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are not 'incarcerated' they are not 'owned' they choose to live here perfectly content based on their concept of life."

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

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"now I have to be honest, one thing I really do hate to see are birds in cages, birds have wings for a reason "

You are quite right most birds do have the ability to fly and it is for good reason in the wild, to seek a mate, to find food and avoid predators. In the domestic environment its not needed.

Domestic parrots will typically walk and climb everywhere rather than fly. Given that, often they need to be trained with 'party tricks' (fly to receive a reward) to keep the flight muscles in serviceable order, else they can wither away and become incapable of flight.

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

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You are quite right, its a matter of opinion, a human opinion based on their experience and knowledge. You have your opinion based on your level of knowledge and I have my opinion based on my level of knowledge and experience. As I've said already, my cats will never be subjected to a multitude of other cruelties that they would most likely suffer if they ventured from what is a very safe haven.

If you do enough research into animal psychology you'll find that they don't 'feel' in the sense that humans do. One of the biggest problems that animals suffer from is that humans try to apply human concepts to them, such as love, hate, anger, etc. There is no real evidence to suggest that animals have any concept of these human emotions because they are not 'self-aware'. They are programmed to survive but have no concept of their own existence.

Incarceration/prison is a human concept not an animal concept. Animals are programmed to survive, priority 1 is to stay as safe as possible. Priority 2 is food, and 3 is procreation... I guess you might say I'm cruel for having number 3 removed by a vet with surgery! Well maybe it is, but its cruel to be kind in preventing more unwanted animals but it also removes a large part of an animals drive to venture.

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over a year ago

They are not 'incarcerated' they are not 'owned' they choose to live here perfectly content based on their concept of life.

Its a matter of opinion and you really don't have a clue how they feel looking outside but not being able to get their. But in the human world you have to do something pretty bad to be punished and locked up without freedom for the whole of your life. Its all perspective you see I assume you like to see it as being kind where I see it as cruel and a terrible way to treat an animal that should have access to the great outdoors. "
strange when we got out cats and took th to the vets to get checked over, the mrs mentioned to the vet she was going to have them as house cats, the vet just smiled and said I'm sorry but the cats and only the cats will decide if they want to become house cats, and did they yes they decided, now I'm the 1 who suffers now being woken up at 5am so they can go out

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

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"strange when we got out cats and took th to the vets to get checked over, the mrs mentioned to the vet she was going to have them as house cats, the vet just smiled and said I'm sorry but the cats and only the cats will decide if they want to become house cats, and did they yes they decided, now I'm the 1 who suffers now being woken up at 5am so they can go out "

What I used to find strange is how little some vets know about animal behaviour/psychology.

Just like a well trained dog, if you open my front door my cats will just sit in the hallway and wait. They are not 'forced' to do anything, they are not held captive. Anyone who has a cat that has the drive to go out will prove to be impossible to contain.

Fair to say that cats provide a greater challenge when it comes to what is popularly referred to as training, otherwise called 'behaviour management' in comparison to dogs but keep in mind that dogs ONLY exist as domestics with exception to domestic dogs that have become feral.

Another strange thing is all this argument/insistence about what is natural for a cat and then in the next moment everyone will hit the 'oh bless, isn't that sweet' when they see a cat cuddling, rather than eating a pet mouse or bird... just how unnatural is that?

Different breeds of cats present different levels of challenge in respect of behavioural management. The standard Siamese for example is derived from 1000's of years of domestication, apparently trained to sit on the shoulders of their owner facing rearward to warn of an attacker. Hence its often said that Siamese cats are 'dog like' in behaviour and relatively easy to train.

Our Serengeti was more of a management challenge because he is a 'F3' meaning only 3 generations from wild.

Your typical average Moggy often comes from a background of breeding that is not too far away from feral existence and will therefore have a high drive for living outdoors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't they say most cats have 3 homes anyway

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