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"That’s very interesting. Is there anything that would make you decide that the photographer was legitimate? " A website that is publicly accessible (assuming they don't"ordinary" work as well ) and a visible portfolio. Plus reviews. | |||
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"That’s very interesting. Is there anything that would make you decide that the photographer was legitimate? " Yes, they'd have a studio, portfolio and all the trappings of a professional photographer. | |||
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"That’s very interesting. Is there anything that would make you decide that the photographer was legitimate? " That’s something that has been discussed so many times within the industry. How can the general public differentiate between a true professional and someone who owns a camera. Owning a studio has been mentioned but there’s loads of amazing professional photographers who don’t own a fixed studio but take a mobile studio to peoples homes. A portfolio and a website have also been mentioned but you have no way of knowing if they genuinely took the photos they show. And you can get a website for free these days, preloaded with stock photos taken from the internet. Membership of a trade body such as the BIPP, NPS, SWPP, MPA etc count for nothing as all that proves is you’ve handed over £100 to someone. Reviews can be paid for so don’t read too much into those unless you know the reviewer. One good sign is if they have professional insurance. Public liability and professional indemnity insurance. | |||
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"I'd love to have a boudoir shoot but I would pay for the time of a professional photographer who has evidence of make boudoir shoots, and the studio. But they'd use my camera so I know there aren't any copies made." I follow your thinking, but a true pro would never use your camera. And even if they did, they still own the rights to the pictures so you wouldn’t be achieving your goal. But a true pro also wouldn’t use the pictures they take of you without your permission. There’s a thing called a model release which most professionals would ask you to sign before using pictures for advertising or commercial gain. But these can be incorporated into a contract so make sure you read fully before signing. Very often you won’t receive any pictures as part of a contract, just a photoshoot with an option to purchase products afterwards. Happy to have a private chat with anyone who wants some advice on this, but it’s not the type of shoot I’d usually do myself. Great boudoir photographers are quite expensive. | |||
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"I'd love to have a boudoir shoot but I would pay for the time of a professional photographer who has evidence of make boudoir shoots, and the studio. But they'd use my camera so I know there aren't any copies made. I follow your thinking, but a true pro would never use your camera. And even if they did, they still own the rights to the pictures so you wouldn’t be achieving your goal. But a true pro also wouldn’t use the pictures they take of you without your permission. There’s a thing called a model release which most professionals would ask you to sign before using pictures for advertising or commercial gain. But these can be incorporated into a contract so make sure you read fully before signing. Very often you won’t receive any pictures as part of a contract, just a photoshoot with an option to purchase products afterwards. Happy to have a private chat with anyone who wants some advice on this, but it’s not the type of shoot I’d usually do myself. Great boudoir photographers are quite expensive." If they won't agree to my terms and sign over any and all rights to my images then they wouldn't get the gig. It's none-negotiable. If that rules put all professionals (which I know isn't the case, I just won't use someone I know) then I'll find a semi pro or talented amateur. I only want them for use on here so they don't need to be the highest res or quality. | |||
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"That’s very interesting. Is there anything that would make you decide that the photographer was legitimate? A website that is publicly accessible (assuming they don't"ordinary" work as well ) and a visible portfolio. Plus reviews. " saddly even having ALl of the above usually ends up with the wannabe models flaking .so rarely bother answering | |||
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"I'd love to have a boudoir shoot but I would pay for the time of a professional photographer who has evidence of make boudoir shoots, and the studio. But they'd use my camera so I know there aren't any copies made. I follow your thinking, but a true pro would never use your camera. And even if they did, they still own the rights to the pictures so you wouldn’t be achieving your goal. But a true pro also wouldn’t use the pictures they take of you without your permission. There’s a thing called a model release which most professionals would ask you to sign before using pictures for advertising or commercial gain. But these can be incorporated into a contract so make sure you read fully before signing. Very often you won’t receive any pictures as part of a contract, just a photoshoot with an option to purchase products afterwards. Happy to have a private chat with anyone who wants some advice on this, but it’s not the type of shoot I’d usually do myself. Great boudoir photographers are quite expensive. If they won't agree to my terms and sign over any and all rights to my images then they wouldn't get the gig. It's none-negotiable. If that rules put all professionals (which I know isn't the case, I just won't use someone I know) then I'll find a semi pro or talented amateur. I only want them for use on here so they don't need to be the highest res or quality." I didn’t say it would rule out all professionals, I just said they wouldn’t use your camera. My camera is like an extension of my arm. Whilst I can use any camera, the menu systems are different in different makes, and even between different models by the same manufacturer. And what if they dropped it? Insurance might not cover using someone else’s gear unless it’s a contract hire. For this type of shoot pros would be ok with signing over the rights to not use them themselves, but no photographer worth hiring would be willing to sign over ownership, as it’s not your work, it’s theirs, but signing over full ownership would allow you to claim you took the photographs and hire yourself out on that basis. Not suggesting that’s something you would do, but people do. Again, this is the difference between a professional and someone claiming to be a professional. If the photographer was a professional you wouldn’t need to worry about the things you’re worried about. Only a fly by night wannabe would disrespect and disregard your wishes, which they will do with or without a contract and a signed rights agreement because they have nothing to lose. | |||
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"I usually just ask for a copy of their standard release form to look over and bask in the silence when they approach me on here. I'm lucky to have photographer friends I can fuck around with anyway 💜" That’s good advice. Many wannabes would have no idea what you’re talking about. But remember they could google it and probably download a default one they could modify so it’s not foolproof, but a good first step. I personally would advise people not to trust anyone who approaches you on here, offering to take pics. It’s asking for trouble | |||
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"I usually just ask for a copy of their standard release form to look over and bask in the silence when they approach me on here. I'm lucky to have photographer friends I can fuck around with anyway 💜 That’s good advice. Many wannabes would have no idea what you’re talking about. But remember they could google it and probably download a default one they could modify so it’s not foolproof, but a good first step. I personally would advise people not to trust anyone who approaches you on here, offering to take pics. It’s asking for trouble " They could. But they never do. They just move on to the next target who might be less hassle than me 💜 | |||
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" The editing afterwards is perhaps the biggest difference with a pro, as they'll take time to sift out the best from 100's of photos and then tidy up the odd bit of clothing on the floor that messed up a perfect shot. " Actually, the opposite is true. The better you get with a camera the less photographs you take.. if you’re composing with things in the frame that shouldn’t be there then something is going wrong. If you’re having to do a lot of editing afterwards, then some of your settings are wrong. The only time I need to do any major editing is when I’m shooting a long exposures pre-Sunrise or very low light , astrophotography combining multiple exposures or doing something extremely creative / artistic. If you are not shooting for large print, then you can actually configure your cameras JPEG processing settings and if the light is good, you don’t even need to shoot in RAW anymore. So there should be a little or no post processing required | |||
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"My ex was a genuine professional photographer and some of the picture i have still wow me. Was his passion the enthused me into photography. Used to be on here as a couple he always mused about how people came to site claiming to be photographers who cant take a decent selfy, the excuses they came out with why they didn't or couldn't. So to answer OP if you you can get anyone here to fall for the professional photographer line wish you well. " Oh P.S. I have a studio as well | |||
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" We have taken thousands of pics just on our phones. And occasionally we catch a good one! Neither of us are particularly savy around settings or editing, but a bit of playing around with the standard filters can give some good shots, at least we think so. We would rather spend the money on a nice hotel, pack the underwear, have a cocktail or two, and take our own. " Big upvote for this for couples, photos that evoke memories are worth much more. | |||
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"We've thought about a pro boudoir session before but the views in the various comments above have always over ridden the excitement of doing it. Cost, security, privacy etc. And as has been said once you have looked at them they just go in a cupboard and catch dust. We have taken thousands of pics just on our phones. And occasionally we catch a good one! Neither of us are particularly savy around settings or editing, but a bit of playing around with the standard filters can give some good shots, at least we think so. We would rather spend the money on a nice hotel, pack the underwear, have a cocktail or two, and take our own. " Totally agree with this and when you are choosing hotels or Airbnb’s look for large windows for natural light and nice features like brickwork, wooden floors and beams, wrought iron spiral staircase etc. take some nice champagne flutes and a few outfits , nice red lipstick! you will get a much better bang for your buck than going to a studio. | |||
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"do my own point and shoot and hope for the best " Yep that's me too!! Need more practice | |||
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"I'd rather do my own, there's too many "professional photographers" on here that can't even take a decent pic of themselves. " Exactly this xx | |||
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"That’s very interesting. Is there anything that would make you decide that the photographer was legitimate? That’s something that has been discussed so many times within the industry. How can the general public differentiate between a true professional and someone who owns a camera. Owning a studio has been mentioned but there’s loads of amazing professional photographers who don’t own a fixed studio but take a mobile studio to peoples homes. A portfolio and a website have also been mentioned but you have no way of knowing if they genuinely took the photos they show. And you can get a website for free these days, preloaded with stock photos taken from the internet. Membership of a trade body such as the BIPP, NPS, SWPP, MPA etc count for nothing as all that proves is you’ve handed over £100 to someone. Reviews can be paid for so don’t read too much into those unless you know the reviewer. One good sign is if they have professional insurance. Public liability and professional indemnity insurance. " Also make sure they give You a "Model Release Form" this stipulates where and how the images can (or cannot) be used by the Photographer. I've been taking Photos for 34yrs and still would never class myself as a "Professional", and no, they're not of People! (Which is why Mine are Naff lol) | |||
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"oh on the heavily touted "model release " form not worth the paper they are written on legally in the UK great as a guide to what was agreed but copyright laws supercede them and the copyright holder is the person taking the pics unless they licence the image to be used or sold elsewhere. I have used this to Invoice national & local newspapers and media outlets who have lifted my images a nd used them without permission. paid for a nice ew camera body a d a portable lighting set up " it is not a contract, it is an agreement. But obviously relies on the integrity of the photographer. My only other advice I can give (ex model) is the more someone claims to be a photographer and the more photography terms they use, the less they are likely to be one. Good photographers don't need to claim to be, their work and their work ethics. Say more about them than any claim can | |||
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