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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The Primark factory in Bangladesh collapse has killed 175 people.

Will there be a manhunt shown across all news channels for the next week until the perpetrators are caught and no longer a danger to society?

Profit is a more acceptable reason for deaths - twas ever thus.

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Yes. It's called WAR. It's an industry.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Will people stop using Primark, will they even know this has happened?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Was it a 'Primark Factory'?....or an independently owned factory that just happens to supply Primark?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Primark factory in Bangladesh collapse has killed 175 people.

Will there be a manhunt shown across all news channels for the next week until the perpetrators are caught and no longer a danger to society?

Profit is a more acceptable reason for deaths - twas ever thus.

"
they will nick architect and concrete supplier

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By *ohohoWoman
over a year ago

Up North

They were a supplier to Primark.

A lot of places use factories like these, how else would we be as to explain the cheap clothes that are available everywhere.

Unfortunately the end consumer has become so price sensitive corners are being cut to keep down costs. It is wrong but until the end consumer makes a stand it will always be the case!

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By *reenonionsMan
over a year ago

Nr Exeter

Careful now.

Don't judge this by or apply western values to this.

Unless you have touched many cultures around the world and understand what a job in a place like that means then please shut up...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This factories customers (Primark eg) have nothing to do with the structure of the building which is what caused the collapse.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"The Primark factory in Bangladesh collapse has killed 175 people.

Will there be a manhunt shown across all news channels for the next week until the perpetrators are caught and no longer a danger to society?

Profit is a more acceptable reason for deaths - twas ever thus.

"

By perpetrators do you mean the people who built the building that wasn't structurally sound or the people who said the building was safe despite people reporting cracks in it the day before or western people wanting cheaper clothes which inevitably means that corners are cut?

I can't believe that people these days are stupid enough to believe that something that costs a quid yo buy will be made in a factory with all mod cons

I am glad I'm too fat to buy anything from primark now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Primark factory in Bangladesh collapse has killed 175 people.

Will there be a manhunt shown across all news channels for the next week until the perpetrators are caught and no longer a danger to society?

Profit is a more acceptable reason for deaths - twas ever thus.

"

I thought it was more to do with the demands of the consumer wanting lower prices more to do with driving production to places like Bangladesh not profits. Granted profits are also there but shelf price is what makes people buy and creates the demand.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"Was it a 'Primark Factory'?....or an independently owned factory that just happens to supply Primark?"

This is what I heard reported on the news.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The Primark factory in Bangladesh collapse has killed 175 people.

Will there be a manhunt shown across all news channels for the next week until the perpetrators are caught and no longer a danger to society?

Profit is a more acceptable reason for deaths - twas ever thus.

By perpetrators do you mean the people who built the building that wasn't structurally sound or the people who said the building was safe despite people reporting cracks in it the day before or western people wanting cheaper clothes which inevitably means that corners are cut?

I can't believe that people these days are stupid enough to believe that something that costs a quid yo buy will be made in a factory with all mod cons

I am glad I'm too fat to buy anything from primark now "

All of the above.

I have a friend in the fashion industry. He was "encouraged" to overlook any structural or ethical deficiencies if a bigger main-stream player (like Walmart) had approved the supplier. Get the price as low as possible to get the best mark-up.

People need these jobs and take the risks to keep us supplied with ever cheaper goods. So where does the responsibility lie?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

The sad part has been touched upon here....if people want cheap clothes and that doesn't just include Primark the supermarkets sell stuff for coppers now.....then there will always be places like this making them.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The Primark factory in Bangladesh collapse has killed 175 people.

Will there be a manhunt shown across all news channels for the next week until the perpetrators are caught and no longer a danger to society?

Profit is a more acceptable reason for deaths - twas ever thus.

I thought it was more to do with the demands of the consumer wanting lower prices more to do with driving production to places like Bangladesh not profits. Granted profits are also there but shelf price is what makes people buy and creates the demand. "

If profits aren't big enough shareholders will walk. Yes, we are pushing for lower shelf prices. This is the price that others pay for that.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The sad part has been touched upon here....if people want cheap clothes and that doesn't just include Primark the supermarkets sell stuff for coppers now.....then there will always be places like this making them."

It will continue as we won't change our behaviours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Society wants more for less money.

Time was, you bought a 3 piece suite and it lasted you 20 years. These days, they are almost fashionable accessories in a room.

The same goes for furniture, the flat pack swedish furniture culture makes furniture thats as disposable as the catalogue you order it from.

Fashion trends come and go so fast these days, with viral marketing, the internet and pop culture that so much clothing is made to last for no more than 3 months, so people want it cheap and fast and many don't care how it got there as long as its cheap.

Bigger, cheaper, faster, more. Our consumerist society is as disposable as the products it encourages us to buy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Primark factory in Bangladesh collapse has killed 175 people.

Will there be a manhunt shown across all news channels for the next week until the perpetrators are caught and no longer a danger to society?

Profit is a more acceptable reason for deaths - twas ever thus.

I thought it was more to do with the demands of the consumer wanting lower prices more to do with driving production to places like Bangladesh not profits. Granted profits are also there but shelf price is what makes people buy and creates the demand.

If profits aren't big enough shareholders will walk. Yes, we are pushing for lower shelf prices. This is the price that others pay for that."

No thats not really true is it its not the profits that keeps shareholders investing its the dividend paid out to some extent but also the share price itself. There are many companies that have made low profits but because of growth, market share and acquisitions shares have been in big demand.

There are also many companies that sell high end clothing, made in western Europe and sell at high prices and high profit and are in demand too. If you look at the situation in Bangladesh its down to customer demand for low prices which is provided by companies like primark that cause it not the companies.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Unfortunately poor conditions in overseas are not only connected to cheap shops like Primark and Walmart, plenty of more expensive high street companies buy their stock from overseas factories that use cheap labour and have poor conditions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the way i look at it is this, yes primark is guilty of exploitaion, but so is almost every other company in some way or another.

The designer brands are just as guilty as the everyday budget brands, but i find the designer brands worse because they have thier products made for pennies and just look at the markup in prices they charge. There is a well known sportswear manfacturer that has all thier products made in the far east by people that work for next to nothing in sweatshops, but this well known sportwear manufacturer actually employs the services of a global PR company to convince the consumers that thier products are made by well paid workers in almost laboratory conditions, where thier made in sweatshops alongside the budget brands.

a Friend of mine has a supply buissness, that supplies to the major retailers in this country so he travels a lot to the far east to get tenders for manufacturing, and he will tell you quite openly that a few factories he uses make budget products alongside the most exclusive designer brands and also make copies of these designer brands on the same production lines as the originals.

So the next time you Pay top dollar for that designer brand, just think about how much your actually paying for the product and how much of that money goes on pure profit and publicity that convinces you that buying that brand is worth the money

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

lets face facts, we are being squeezed by everyone, govt, gas boards, electric, water, petrol, food, local govt and telecoms all put their costs up and expect tp be paid or else. The consumer is under pressure with less to spend and to make money stretch further, so, we are all looking for a bargain.

Cheap clothing comes about because fashion changes to increase sales and profits, the must have of today will be the charity shop donations of next month.

As nothing in fashion now will be acceptable in a months time, its expected that clothes have to be cheap because they are expected to be worn for a lot shorter time, Primark are only partly responsible for bangladesh because they are doing exactly what their customers and shareholders expect and want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way i look at it is this, yes primark is guilty of exploitaion, but so is almost every other company in some way or another.

The designer brands are just as guilty as the everyday budget brands, but i find the designer brands worse because they have thier products made for pennies and just look at the markup in prices they charge. There is a well known sportswear manfacturer that has all thier products made in the far east by people that work for next to nothing in sweatshops, but this well known sportwear manufacturer actually employs the services of a global PR company to convince the consumers that thier products are made by well paid workers in almost laboratory conditions, where thier made in sweatshops alongside the budget brands.

a Friend of mine has a supply buissness, that supplies to the major retailers in this country so he travels a lot to the far east to get tenders for manufacturing, and he will tell you quite openly that a few factories he uses make budget products alongside the most exclusive designer brands and also make copies of these designer brands on the same production lines as the originals.

So the next time you Pay top dollar for that designer brand, just think about how much your actually paying for the product and how much of that money goes on pure profit and publicity that convinces you that buying that brand is worth the money"

Yeah, its the consumer that are the mugs!

I have no idea what a decent wage is in somewhere like Bangladesh, no idea at all but I can imagine that a lot of people are glad to have a job. I'n not suggesting they should be exploited in any way, just a fact of life. Now, the fact the place collapsed is down to two factors, the building was in need of repair and there doesn't appear to be a lot of building inspection to catch the problem. The fact that it supplies Primark is of absolutely no consequence at all. It probably supplies a lot of other retailers as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What would happen if we stopped buying into all the consumerism?

If we stopped needing the latest iGadget because its screen is 0.4cm bigger and it can register if we have bad breath?

What if we stopped buying cheap disposable clothes to fit in with fashions that make many, many people look plain daft or are ridiculously impractical?

What if we demanded quality, at a fair price so that we chose well, chose right and had years of use out of it?

Fashion & consumerism - social constructs designed by people to create a sense of belonging for the masses whilst generating ever increasing profits. A socially acceptable form of 'chasing the dragon' playing on people need to feel included in a peer group.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously."

i went past a primark today and tougt that there seemed to be n response to this from the companies involved. lad to hear they are compensating

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously."
Indeed, they are taking it seriously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly, in this country we seem to go for cheap rather than fair on the workers. If we continue to want a pair of knickers for 50p people will still have to work for pennies in squalid and dangerous buildings.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Sadly, in this country we seem to go for cheap rather than fair on the workers. If we continue to want a pair of knickers for 50p people will still have to work for pennies in squalid and dangerous buildings.

"
Sad but true. Not just here though - in other countries, too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously."

They are in the public domain but will it make and difference to the real difference to conditions of workers in the Indian content once its not headline news any more? Sadly I think profits will come first again.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Sadly, in this country we seem to go for cheap rather than fair on the workers. If we continue to want a pair of knickers for 50p people will still have to work for pennies in squalid and dangerous buildings.

"

Very true. We would not accept those conditions for workers here but we are happy to turn a blind eye for others.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously.

They are in the public domain but will it make and difference to the real difference to conditions of workers in the Indian content once its not headline news any more? Sadly I think profits will come first again. "

Also probably true.

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

To the op I expected this thread to be about tony Blair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously.

They are in the public domain but will it make and difference to the real difference to conditions of workers in the Indian content once its not headline news any more? Sadly I think profits will come first again.

Also probably true."

I was watching videos of the conditions they work in and its pretty grim and all so we can have cheap clothes. But if you take it away they starve its not right at all there should be more done to make sure workers world wide have at least a minimum standard if goods come into the UK.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"To the op I expected this thread to be about tony Blair"

I wasn't angry about Tony Blair last week.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Sadly, in this country we seem to go for cheap rather than fair on the workers. If we continue to want a pair of knickers for 50p people will still have to work for pennies in squalid and dangerous buildings.

Very true. We would not accept those conditions for workers here but we are happy to turn a blind eye for others."
Makes me think actually that perhaps we should refuse to buy things where we "know" or suspect they have employed cheap labour and associated risks...?

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"To the op I expected this thread to be about tony Blair

I wasn't angry about Tony Blair last week."

Well tell your self off. Every week is a good week to be angry at tony Blair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the way i look at it is this, yes primark is guilty of exploitaion, but so is almost every other company in some way or another.

The designer brands are just as guilty as the everyday budget brands, but i find the designer brands worse because they have thier products made for pennies and just look at the markup in prices they charge. There is a well known sportswear manfacturer that has all thier products made in the far east by people that work for next to nothing in sweatshops, but this well known sportwear manufacturer actually employs the services of a global PR company to convince the consumers that thier products are made by well paid workers in almost laboratory conditions, where thier made in sweatshops alongside the budget brands.

a Friend of mine has a supply buissness, that supplies to the major retailers in this country so he travels a lot to the far east to get tenders for manufacturing, and he will tell you quite openly that a few factories he uses make budget products alongside the most exclusive designer brands and also make copies of these designer brands on the same production lines as the originals.

So the next time you Pay top dollar for that designer brand, just think about how much your actually paying for the product and how much of that money goes on pure profit and publicity that convinces you that buying that brand is worth the money"

Whilst I agree with some of what you say, your huge sweeping generalisations won't win many round I suspect.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously.

They are in the public domain but will it make and difference to the real difference to conditions of workers in the Indian content once its not headline news any more? Sadly I think profits will come first again.

Also probably true.

I was watching videos of the conditions they work in and its pretty grim and all so we can have cheap clothes. But if you take it away they starve its not right at all there should be more done to make sure workers world wide have at least a minimum standard if goods come into the UK. "

The main retailers will claim that there are minimum standards that they require of the factories and manufacturers they use. As I said last week, I am aware of practices where a blind eye is turned and the forms are ticked in order to get a lower price.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously.

They are in the public domain but will it make and difference to the real difference to conditions of workers in the Indian content once its not headline news any more? Sadly I think profits will come first again.

Also probably true.

I was watching videos of the conditions they work in and its pretty grim and all so we can have cheap clothes. But if you take it away they starve its not right at all there should be more done to make sure workers world wide have at least a minimum standard if goods come into the UK.

The main retailers will claim that there are minimum standards that they require of the factories and manufacturers they use. As I said last week, I am aware of practices where a blind eye is turned and the forms are ticked in order to get a lower price."

If you're aware, what are you doing about it? Or am I missing something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously.

They are in the public domain but will it make and difference to the real difference to conditions of workers in the Indian content once its not headline news any more? Sadly I think profits will come first again.

Also probably true.

I was watching videos of the conditions they work in and its pretty grim and all so we can have cheap clothes. But if you take it away they starve its not right at all there should be more done to make sure workers world wide have at least a minimum standard if goods come into the UK.

The main retailers will claim that there are minimum standards that they require of the factories and manufacturers they use. As I said last week, I am aware of practices where a blind eye is turned and the forms are ticked in order to get a lower price."

From what I can gather the main contractors do go a long way towards standards but then subcontract the work out to slave style sweat shops to make the ridiculously shot lead times people like primark demand.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously.

They are in the public domain but will it make and difference to the real difference to conditions of workers in the Indian content once its not headline news any more? Sadly I think profits will come first again.

Also probably true.

I was watching videos of the conditions they work in and its pretty grim and all so we can have cheap clothes. But if you take it away they starve its not right at all there should be more done to make sure workers world wide have at least a minimum standard if goods come into the UK.

The main retailers will claim that there are minimum standards that they require of the factories and manufacturers they use. As I said last week, I am aware of practices where a blind eye is turned and the forms are ticked in order to get a lower price.

If you're aware, what are you doing about it? Or am I missing something?"

I have done what I can on one case. It's hard to get the evidence on all cases.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


".

If you're aware, what are you doing about it? Or am I missing something?"
ISn t that the general question of wanting cheap products? I am thinking (different topic but similar concept) that we all want cheap meat and the way some livestock is kept and slaughtered is horrendous. Human nature is not always putting the money where their mouth is. Sadly! I agree.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"

I have done what I can on one case. It's hard to get the evidence on all cases."
I think actually that is probably all we can do - one case at a time - refusing to buy products/ services when we suspect problems behind the scene.

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

Not sure if I' getting this right but , if we all stopped buying from primark etc then the factories would close so there wouldn't be any sweet shop but no jobs either .

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

the cigarette and drink companies have been doing it for years ,dont see why clothing companies should be singled out ,most of the corporations dont give a toss about anyone or anything except makig profits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The numbers on this remain awful but they have arrested the owner of the building and others. Primark are also compensating. It's good that people are taking it seriously.

They are in the public domain but will it make and difference to the real difference to conditions of workers in the Indian content once its not headline news any more? Sadly I think profits will come first again.

Also probably true.

I was watching videos of the conditions they work in and its pretty grim and all so we can have cheap clothes. But if you take it away they starve its not right at all there should be more done to make sure workers world wide have at least a minimum standard if goods come into the UK.

The main retailers will claim that there are minimum standards that they require of the factories and manufacturers they use. As I said last week, I am aware of practices where a blind eye is turned and the forms are ticked in order to get a lower price.

If you're aware, what are you doing about it? Or am I missing something?

I have done what I can on one case. It's hard to get the evidence on all cases."

Then without evidence, we'd do well to steer clear of generalisations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What would happen if we stopped buying into all the consumerism?

If we stopped needing the latest iGadget because its screen is 0.4cm bigger and it can register if we have bad breath?

What if we stopped buying cheap disposable clothes to fit in with fashions that make many, many people look plain daft or are ridiculously impractical?

What if we demanded quality, at a fair price so that we chose well, chose right and had years of use out of it?

Fashion & consumerism - social constructs designed by people to create a sense of belonging for the masses whilst generating ever increasing profits. A socially acceptable form of 'chasing the dragon' playing on people need to feel included in a peer group.

"

Yeah man, right on ! Lets cast off our metaphorical shackles of possesions, clothing et al, this is the dawning of the age of aquarius, peace, love, harmony & equality, oh, hang on a minute, sorry got caught up in your pipe dream there.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Reading some of the comments on here that connect 'cheap slave labour' and inexpensive clothing I do have to wonder if some people think it's that simple....it isn't always.

There have been many instances of world famous designer clothing and footwear brands being manufactured in exactly the same factory conditions as Primark and Bonmarche goods.

Ignoring this fact is simply laying all the blame on the cheaper clothing retailers and is misinformed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reading some of the comments on here that connect 'cheap slave labour' and inexpensive clothing I do have to wonder if some people think it's that simple....it isn't always.

There have been many instances of world famous designer clothing and footwear brands being manufactured in exactly the same factory conditions as Primark and Bonmarche goods.

Ignoring this fact is simply laying all the blame on the cheaper clothing retailers and is misinformed.

"

Exactly my thoughts exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'll find most are made in sweat factories in India and China

Just look at your labels in your wardrobe you'll be very surprised its not just primark

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Don't post on here lobby the retailers ALL of them. Be prepared to pay more for your clothes and shoes (50pan item isn't much). Don't boycott cheap retailers campaign for change. Primark are starting to respond to pressure and have projects in Bangladesh and The Philippines but more could be done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Primark factory in Bangladesh collapse has killed 175 people.

Will there be a manhunt shown across all news channels for the next week until the perpetrators are caught and no longer a danger to society?

Profit is a more acceptable reason for deaths - twas ever thus.

By perpetrators do you mean the people who built the building that wasn't structurally sound or the people who said the building was safe despite people reporting cracks in it the day before or western people wanting cheaper clothes which inevitably means that corners are cut?

I can't believe that people these days are stupid enough to believe that something that costs a quid yo buy will be made in a factory with all mod cons

I am glad I'm too fat to buy anything from primark now

All of the above.

I have a friend in the fashion industry. He was "encouraged" to overlook any structural or ethical deficiencies if a bigger main-stream player (like Walmart) had approved the supplier. Get the price as low as possible to get the best mark-up.

People need these jobs and take the risks to keep us supplied with ever cheaper goods. So where does the responsibility lie?"

With us. Trading business meet the needs and desires of their customers, not their suppliers.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"The Primark factory in Bangladesh collapse has killed 175 people.

Will there be a manhunt shown across all news channels for the next week until the perpetrators are caught and no longer a danger to society?

Profit is a more acceptable reason for deaths - twas ever thus.

By perpetrators do you mean the people who built the building that wasn't structurally sound or the people who said the building was safe despite people reporting cracks in it the day before or western people wanting cheaper clothes which inevitably means that corners are cut?

I can't believe that people these days are stupid enough to believe that something that costs a quid yo buy will be made in a factory with all mod cons

I am glad I'm too fat to buy anything from primark now

All of the above.

I have a friend in the fashion industry. He was "encouraged" to overlook any structural or ethical deficiencies if a bigger main-stream player (like Walmart) had approved the supplier. Get the price as low as possible to get the best mark-up.

People need these jobs and take the risks to keep us supplied with ever cheaper goods. So where does the responsibility lie?

With us. Trading business meet the needs and desires of their customers, not their suppliers."

Completely agree. As I said before discussing it amongst ourselves is good but unless we actually lobby the retailers and campaign for change then it will continue.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

have a look at the War on Want and No Sweat web sites

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