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"I'd imagine that if a properly controlled test were executed, most of us would be surprised how much the results stated "yes". It's a yes from me." I'm surprised you say yes. 😳 | |||
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"tend to think that because something doesn't happen to or apply to you that it doesn't happen or apply to other people either?" Given the amount of everyday things that happen and the numbers involved of whom they are and will involve it's pretty much nigh on impossible or unhealthy to think about such things.. Until they do then that of course changes ones thought processes.. | |||
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"I'd imagine that if a properly controlled test were executed, most of us would be surprised how much the results stated "yes". It's a yes from me. I'm surprised you say yes. 😳" Ahhh...but that's because I know I do it. I'm fairly certain most people say they don't do it, when in fact they do do it. And they do it a lot more than I do. Hence, the value of the test. What folk say they do, and what folk actually do, do be do be do different things xx | |||
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"tend to think that because something doesn't happen to or apply to you that it doesn't happen or apply to other people either?" I try not to. Having acquired all the issues I have, I think it's made me much more aware of things impacting other people and how much impact things might have. | |||
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"tend to think that because something doesn't happen to or apply to you that it doesn't happen or apply to other people either?" Sometimes yes. I'm aware of the fact that I can be quite... well I don't know. A bit self focused. Most of the time I'm quite good at remembering that my experiences aren't the same as another's. Even down to how we think/view something. It's why I disagree with the finality tone of some posts. I think being neurospicy, being a bit different... in an odd way it makes me more aware? Hard to explain. | |||
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"I'd imagine that if a properly controlled test were executed, most of us would be surprised how much the results stated "yes". It's a yes from me. I'm surprised you say yes. 😳 Ahhh...but that's because I know I do it. I'm fairly certain most people say they don't do it, when in fact they do do it. And they do it a lot more than I do. Hence, the value of the test. What folk say they do, and what folk actually do, do be do be do different things xx " I agree | |||
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"I guess I'm asking if people have empathy and if they consider that they do what limits does that empathy have?" I think people will have more empathy for things that they can understand or have experienced themselves. Anything out of those two categories and its going to be more challenging. | |||
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"tend to think that because something doesn't happen to or apply to you that it doesn't happen or apply to other people either? I try not to. Having acquired all the issues I have, I think it's made me much more aware of things impacting other people and how much impact things might have. " I think our life experiences can make us more empathetic in many ways | |||
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"I guess I'm asking if people have empathy and if they consider that they do what limits does that empathy have? I think people will have more empathy for things that they can understand or have experienced themselves. Anything out of those two categories and its going to be more challenging. " To me part of empathy is being able to understand or imagine people's feelings if you haven't experienced them yourself. I don't think many of us can do that in every situation | |||
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"I guess I'm asking if people have empathy and if they consider that they do what limits does that empathy have?" Not so good on the empathy, always amazed at how emotional people on Googlebox are (for instance in watching SU2C). However, I am big on on the justice side of things, so if on the news there is another Israeli bombing of civilians, then I can get upset. | |||
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"I'd imagine that if a properly controlled test were executed, most of us would be surprised how much the results stated "yes". It's a yes from me. I'm surprised you say yes. 😳 Ahhh...but that's because I know I do it. I'm fairly certain most people say they don't do it, when in fact they do do it. And they do it a lot more than I do. Hence, the value of the test. What folk say they do, and what folk actually do, do be do be do different things xx I agree" It was the "do be do be do" wasn't it? I can get away with any old crap as long as I put that little seducer in  xx | |||
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"I guess I'm asking if people have empathy and if they consider that they do what limits does that empathy have?" Empathy in my mind is a bit different to your OP. You can be aware that people have different experiences without being empathetic. That's like the next step along, if that makes sense? People can know that things are different for others. Empathy involves actively trying to understand/understanding. I really, really don't think the majority are as empathetic as they might like to think. Do you remember when it was a bit of a buzzword on here? I do.
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"I guess I'm asking if people have empathy and if they consider that they do what limits does that empathy have?" Yes.. But I think no matter how empathic a person might think they are there's limits .. Maybe it's a case of setting limitations to what one can actually make a difference to if one actually does take one's empathy to a practical level.. It's a good topic, interesting..  | |||
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"I guess I'm asking if people have empathy and if they consider that they do what limits does that empathy have?" I think empathy towards others is very situationally dependent. I can empathise with most people about most things. It doesn't stop me feeling that some deserve to be where they are, or are in some ways responsible for situations they find themselves in. I also sometimes feel some people get empathy and sympathy confused. | |||
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"I'd imagine that if a properly controlled test were executed, most of us would be surprised how much the results stated "yes". It's a yes from me. I'm surprised you say yes. 😳 Ahhh...but that's because I know I do it. I'm fairly certain most people say they don't do it, when in fact they do do it. And they do it a lot more than I do. Hence, the value of the test. What folk say they do, and what folk actually do, do be do be do different things xx I agree It was the "do be do be do" wasn't it? I can get away with any old crap as long as I put that little seducer in xx"Nope. There was one too many do in there | |||
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"I guess I'm asking if people have empathy and if they consider that they do what limits does that empathy have? Empathy in my mind is a bit different to your OP. You can be aware that people have different experiences without being empathetic. That's like the next step along, if that makes sense? People can know that things are different for others. Empathy involves actively trying to understand/understanding. I really, really don't think the majority are as empathetic as they might like to think. Do you remember when it was a bit of a buzzword on here? I do.
And no, I'm not particularly empathetic. "I do remember that. It's been replaced by 'narcissist' and nobody wants to claim that. I don't think anybody is as empathetic as they claim. I'm definitely not because my eyes have rolled so many times in my life that they now resemble a slot machine reel. As always it's interesting to read other people's thoughts | |||
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"I'd imagine that if a properly controlled test were executed, most of us would be surprised how much the results stated "yes". It's a yes from me. I'm surprised you say yes. 😳 Ahhh...but that's because I know I do it. I'm fairly certain most people say they don't do it, when in fact they do do it. And they do it a lot more than I do. Hence, the value of the test. What folk say they do, and what folk actually do, do be do be do different things xx I agree It was the "do be do be do" wasn't it? I can get away with any old crap as long as I put that little seducer in xx
Nope. There was one too many do in there "Sheesh...tough crowd  xx | |||
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"Covid was a classic example of this - not having had anyone close or known to them having died or suffered serious symptoms, these people were much less likely to believe it was anything but a bad cold… Children living in impoverished conditions in the U.K.? Never experienced or seen those kids, can’t relate, don’t believe," That kind of thing was what prompted me to ask the question. | |||
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"tend to think that because something doesn't happen to or apply to you that it doesn't happen or apply to other people either?" Seems to be the gist of people’s thinking. | |||
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"I guess I'm asking if people have empathy and if they consider that they do what limits does that empathy have?" Serious from me now, and taking from comments above. A list of people, and where does empathy stop within that list? Poor children, abused children, SEND children, difficult children, violent children, homeless adults, adult liars, alcoholics, drug addicts, criminals, violent criminals, domestic abusers male, domestic abusers female, the IDF, Palestinians, Russian soldiers, Ukrainian soldiers, r*pists, p*edophiles, murd*rers. Every one of those is either a kid, or was a kid once. Other than the possibilities of genetic predisposition, every one of them COULD thrive in different social environments. And let's assume that someone does have a genetic predisposition towards, just one example, a taste for murder (it's a premise, not a claim of reality) - if someone is MADE to murder, then my hatred/fear should be aimed at genetics, but we all aim it at the person. The person shouldn't be in the public domain (they're obviously a threat), but I don't need to hate them - I just need them kept somewhere where they can't harm (which costs a lot of money, although we can easily afford it if we reimagine society). As a further example, it's a bit silly "hating" a virus that kills humans - because that's how its coding works on humans. It's not silly to manage the thing (in fact, it's vital). So, with the above list, it's interesting to see where others would find their "empathy" stops, and how they would then rationalise that (because every act of "othering" is backed up with a rationalisation, however flimsy. That's how we justify our actions to ourselves). But, genetic predisposition aside, every one of the above COULD have grown into an adult who can thrive INSTEAD OF what they became. So empathy has a place within a bigger field of social, political, cultural, and financial realities and prejudices too. | |||
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"I guess I'm asking if people have empathy and if they consider that they do what limits does that empathy have?" I believe that a lot of people who claim to have empathy actually have narcissistic tendencies. What a lot of people mean is they get a vicarious thrill from imagining they are experiencing the suffering of others. Empathy is more than imagining yourself experiencing something that someone else is. The hardest part comes before that, it's imagining you are that person, with their lived experience, their weaknesses and strengths, their fears, their beliefs. When you superimpose someone else's experiences on your life all you learn is how you would respond in similar circumstances - hence the accusation of narcissism. Empathy isn't about you, it's about them. To answer the original question, I believe we all instinctively have a tendency to think that way. Some people however are aware of the bias and make an effort to avoid it. Others simply don't notice it and a surprising number refuse to accept it exists. | |||
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