FabSwingers.com forum: Doctors ban

By *parkle1974 OP Woman
12 weeks ago

Leeds

Do you agree that doctors should ban patients?

Patients who missed maybe 2 or 3 appointments...classed as time wasters.

Would you ban them??

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By *iddlesticksMan
12 weeks ago

My nan’s spare room.

I very much get the sentiment but it is dangerous ground.

You just move the problem on I’m guessing.

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By (user no longer on site)
12 weeks ago

Yes, I would ban them.

Also at the dentists too.

They can go sit in the long queues for the walk in centres instead if they keep time wasting and taking appointments from the people that needed one and can't get them.

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By *ittlemissFlirtyCouple
12 weeks ago

Southampton

Maybe not ban.. but a fine for repeat offenders... people need to contact the surgery if they no longer need the appointment so someone else can have it..most people have mobile phones these days

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
12 weeks ago

Carlisle usually

Yes.

Certainly not banned from all doctors. But if a surgery is struggling to find appointments enough to see the people who need them and someone repeatedly wastes those slots, they can go wait at the walk in places when they do need to be seen and keep appointments for people who both need and use them.

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By *ucka39Man
12 weeks ago

Newcastle

Nope

Because could've been a genuine reason why they've been unavailable to attend

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By * and R cple4Couple
12 weeks ago

swansea

It takes 2 minutes to cancel a appointment by phone, it's hard enough to get a appointment without people wasting them

.Maybe a fine for repeat offenders and they couldn't attend their doctors until they payed the fine.

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By *ittlemissFlirtyCouple
12 weeks ago

Southampton

"Nope

Because could've been a genuine reason why they've been unavailable to attend "

All they need to do is contact the surgery to say they no longer need the appointment, you can even do it on the nhs app. . No real need for selfishness

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By *yrman57Man
12 weeks ago

Ayr

I thought this was going to be a ban from performing certain acts ... on medical grounds !!!

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By *iker JackMan
12 weeks ago

Wolverhampton

"It takes 2 minutes to cancel a appointment by phone, it's hard enough to get a appointment without people wasting them

.Maybe a fine for repeat offenders and they couldn't attend their doctors until they payed the fine. "

Love to use your surgery where it only takes 2 minutes to get through 🤣

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By *porty_and_NaughtyCouple
12 weeks ago

Swansea

What happens to these banned patients if they break a leg? Develop cancer?

We haven't suddenly produced people who miss appointments, they've always been there. What we have is an overstretched service and blanking the problem on a minority of bad patients is a way of avoiding the fact.

Before we start banning people and leaving them to potentially die because they don't get diagnosed, I'd suggest we start with a reform of the health service.

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By *entlemanH666Man
12 weeks ago

Travelling

Some context on the patient in particular would be needed but in a case where someone has no known mental/physical issues and can’t be bothered to ring up and cancel an appointment on multiple occasions should definitely be banned.

They would still have access to health care in an emergency via urgent care/A&E.

Dentists already do this. I don’t know if GP’s do?

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
12 weeks ago

Carlisle usually

"It takes 2 minutes to cancel a appointment by phone, it's hard enough to get a appointment without people wasting them

.Maybe a fine for repeat offenders and they couldn't attend their doctors until they payed the fine.

Love to use your surgery where it only takes 2 minutes to get through 🤣"

Mine sends a text about 48 hours before asking to please reply with CANCEL before 8am on the day of appointment if you can't make it. It's not even a 2 minute job 💜

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By *lowupdollTV/TS
12 weeks ago

Herts/Beds/Lomdon

They might have missed 2 or 3 appointments cause they’re dead. No need to make it worse by posthumously banning them.

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By *tephanie63Woman
12 weeks ago

BRIDGWATER

My disabled daughter nearly got banned from our new Drs. She had a nurse and Drs appointment on the day of Storm Eugene, I had cancelled the appointments via their online service. I was later told that I have to ring to cancel despite the cancellation link being available on their website. We had been transferred to that practice because our old practice got closed down. So no I don't think people should be banned automatically as there can be an explanation.

Also for the person mentioning dentists, there is practically no NHS dentists available now. Most people have to go private, I have had to myself..

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By *entlemanH666Man
12 weeks ago

Travelling

"My disabled daughter nearly got banned from our new Drs. She had a nurse and Drs appointment on the day of Storm Eugene, I had cancelled the appointments via their online service. I was later told that I have to ring to cancel despite the cancellation link being available on their website. We had been transferred to that practice because our old practice got closed down. So no I don't think people should be banned automatically as there can be an explanation.

Also for the person mentioning dentists, there is practically no NHS dentists available now. Most people have to go private, I have had to myself.."

This would be the biggest concern with banning. In the NHS’s current state do they have the ability to correctly identify who is time wasting and who is genuinely not at fault…..

In this case obviously not and probably not in general.

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By *ansoffateMan
12 weeks ago

Sagittarius A

No.

It seems quite arbitrary 2 or 3 missed appointments.

My last two doctors appointments were cancelled by the doctor. The majority of my appointments usually entail the doctor being late, quite often I have had to wait over an hour. Waiting times for simple GP appointments can be weeks, waiting lists for referrals can be months if not years.

Before medical staff start projecting their frustrations onto service users I think they need to appreciate many are having their time wasted on significantly larger scale, than they are and recognise that they are a part of that service.

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By *ffervescentMan
12 weeks ago

winfrith

"Do you agree that doctors should ban patients?

Patients who missed maybe 2 or 3 appointments...classed as time wasters.

Would you ban them??"
As timewasters yes it's only a simple phone call to say I can't make it .

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By *irwanksalot69Man
12 weeks ago

Birmingham

Banned people would still get ill and injured. And if they were banned from their GP, where would they go? They'd be forced to go to the hospital for everything.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
12 weeks ago

Leeds

No, I almost got banned from my dentist for missing an appointment - I turned up and collapsed in the waiting room then they tried to say I couldn't have another appointment because I failed to attend 🙄

Luckily after a complaint I was allowed another appointment.

There's so many reasons people miss appointments, maybe charge a deposit for repeat offenders but don't ban help.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
12 weeks ago

I struggle to get a single appointment let alone miss 2-3 of them!!!

It’s a tough question as everyone deserves medical care even if they’re not showing up without good reason.

I would say cancel by phone or online but even that can be difficult with my surgery!!

Definitely out of order if they are wasting the already valuable time of GPs but also making it harder for everyone else to get appointments 😡

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By *ickleTheWonderSchlongMan
12 weeks ago

Ends

I thought this was about banning time wasters from fab at first

but without saying that.

If they don’t give notice- yes remove them from records and refuse to offer appointments at the surgery. Notify them of other local ones they can register at.

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By *apascouseMan
12 weeks ago

Liverpool

Or make GP's work full time? My GP works for 4 hours a week, and yet we are blaming patients?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
12 weeks ago

East Sussex

It's well high impossible to get through to our surgery by phone. I think possibly implement a phone call only appointment system for serial no shows. That way a doctor has only wasted the amount of time it takes to make the call.

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By *.hrisMan
12 weeks ago

Bath

I'd ban my doctors, in the past when I've tried, I've struggled to get an appointment with them. I've given up on bothering with them now 🤷🏽‍♂️

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By *ucka39Man
12 weeks ago

Newcastle

"Nope

Because could've been a genuine reason why they've been unavailable to attend

All they need to do is contact the surgery to say they no longer need the appointment, you can even do it on the nhs app. . No real need for selfishness "

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By *ansoffateMan
12 weeks ago

Sagittarius A

Forgetfulness is also a symptom of several medical conditions.

It would be a bit ironic really for a GP to ban someone for exhibiting symptoms of known medical conditions.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
12 weeks ago

Reading

Yes let them die. What could go wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
12 weeks ago

It's NHS, are they able to opt out of their NI contributions?

You can't charge someone for something then ban them from accessing it. Fine them, sure. But not banning.

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By *ansoffateMan
12 weeks ago

Sagittarius A

"It's NHS, are they able to opt out of their NI contributions?

You can't charge someone for something then ban them from accessing it. Fine them, sure. But not banning."

That's a reasonable argument. As long as we can fine doctors for missing appointments, or not meeting guidance within the documents that define that social contract e.g. the NHS constitution.

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By *emorefridaCouple
12 weeks ago

La la land

What about the elderly patient with the onset of dementia? Or the neurodivergent patient?

And even handing out fines to these kind of patients seems wrong to me on so many levels

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By *issmorganWoman
12 weeks ago

Calderdale innit

Repeat offenders yes, anyone can forget to attend /cancel once.

If it's done regularly it's annoying, as someone else could have had their slot.

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By *ansoffateMan
12 weeks ago

Sagittarius A

"What about the elderly patient with the onset of dementia? Or the neurodivergent patient?

And even handing out fines to these kind of patients seems wrong to me on so many levels"

Agreed. I have inattentive ADHD, keeping track of appointments is the bane of my existence. I spend half my time trying not to drop the ball on it and it still happens every week.

But as long as it works both ways and I can fine them when they drop the ball, I am fine with that. I will definitely be making more than they do out of the deal.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
12 weeks ago

Leeds

Do me a favour if they banned me, then I’d definitely not go.

The mr

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By (user no longer on site)
12 weeks ago

Throw them in the hole 😂

In all seriousness a ban is a bit extreme but something has to be done simply because someone in genuine need may have missed out due to a “time waster” 🤷🏽‍♂️

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By *ffervescentMan
12 weeks ago

winfrith

"Nope

Because could've been a genuine reason why they've been unavailable to attend

All they need to do is contact the surgery to say they no longer need the appointment, you can even do it on the nhs app. . No real need for selfishness

I totally understand that, that's why at times a person may receive a text message as a reminder, that they have an appointment. But who knows at the time what is going on in someone's life and maybe forgot had an appointment."
Yes but let's think who's time is more valuable that's being wasted ,the highly qualified doctor or Lil old you ?

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By (user no longer on site)
12 weeks ago

When I was in severe psychosis and couldn’t even wake up I missed several doctors appointments. If I was banned I wouldn’t have got the medication I needed to keep me alive. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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By *teveanddebsCouple
12 weeks ago

Norwich

"It takes 2 minutes to cancel a appointment by phone, it's hard enough to get a appointment without people wasting them

I think you are forgetting the 20 mins on hold before the phone is answered.

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By *ffervescentMan
12 weeks ago

winfrith

I think their would obviously be mitigating circumstances like not being able to get through or being unconscious.

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By *ittlemissFlirtyCouple
12 weeks ago

Southampton

"It takes 2 minutes to cancel a appointment by phone, it's hard enough to get a appointment without people wasting them

I think you are forgetting the 20 mins on hold before the phone is answered. "

Can also cancel appointments on the nhs app

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By (user no longer on site)
12 weeks ago

No not at all, if you are genuinely ill there's a multitude of reasons why you might not be able to attend

Personally i would much rather have a video appointment with a doctor for routine discussions and allow those most in need to have home visits instead x

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By *tr8MrEMan
12 weeks ago

Shireoaks, Worksop

I think the NHS has a lot of problems that need mending, and constantly throwing money at it doesn't seem to work, perhaps needs one god almighty overseeing it all instead of trusts playing russian roulette with funds allocated to them...so No, I wouldn't ever ban a patient, but try and understand as to why they feel the need to miss appointments in the first place

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By *hitsngigglesMan
12 weeks ago

durham

"Do you agree that doctors should ban patients?

Patients who missed maybe 2 or 3 appointments...classed as time wasters.

Would you ban them??"
unfortunately due to where I work if we have a lock down I can't get out to go to drs appointments and most times I'm no where near a fone to ring up to say I need to cancel or I'm going to be late. It sucks but I think they now understand if I miss appointments. It is costing me a fortune in quality streets tho ......

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By * and R cple4Couple
12 weeks ago

swansea

"It takes 2 minutes to cancel a appointment by phone, it's hard enough to get a appointment without people wasting them

.Maybe a fine for repeat offenders and they couldn't attend their doctors until they payed the fine.

Love to use your surgery where it only takes 2 minutes to get through 🤣"
We have a appointment system from 8 till 9 in morning which is impossible to get through to, after that it's really easy we also have a online system where I can get repeat prescriptions or a call back or to cancel I mostly use that now and never have any issues with it.

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By *riar BelisseWoman
12 weeks ago

Delightful Bliss

No. I'd put them into a walk in centre category, that had a mental health lead.

There are so many genuine reasons why people can't cancel, we can't let the few, ruin it for the many who need help.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
12 weeks ago

bradford

it works both ways

why should patients be sat in the waiting room way past there arranged time.

even ive been sat in there for 1/2 hr past the time and walked out of the place after visiting reception to say i was leaving.

should we ban people no

a warning should be issued after 3-4 missed appointments then slot them onto a wait to see the doctor open slots

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By *ffervescentMan
12 weeks ago

winfrith

It's a bit like missing a meet here and not ringing to say you can't make it don't you think ?

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By *ucka39Man
12 weeks ago

Newcastle

"Nope

Because could've been a genuine reason why they've been unavailable to attend

All they need to do is contact the surgery to say they no longer need the appointment, you can even do it on the nhs app. . No real need for selfishness

I totally understand that, that's why at times a person may receive a text message as a reminder, that they have an appointment. But who knows at the time what is going on in someone's life and maybe forgot had an appointment.Yes but let's think who's time is more valuable that's being wasted ,the highly qualified doctor or Lil old you ?"

Time never gets wasted, and patient appointments just get delayed or if someone doesn't turn up, obviously it's the next patient who goes in as most GP practices have a check in once you arrive

My GP you could order medication by using the automated phone call, now unexpectedly it's not there, so I called them, pressed for admin, and was told it's never been available at night

which is absurd as I've regularly use. And calling me a liar doesn't go down well, she slammed the phone down. Hmmm attitude 😂🤣 it's not over

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By *lderflower_AppleWoman
12 weeks ago

Basingstoke

Or... like my surgery, just don't have actual physical in-person appointments any more until a Dr has done a consultation over the phone. Which comes a couple of days after you've submitted an online request for a call with full details of your 'condition'.

We have no walk-in centres here and either have to hope we can take the call when the Dr deigns to get in touch, or go to A&E if it's something a pharmacist can't help with.

I guess not having actual appointments improves the surgery's attendance scores!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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12 weeks ago

East Sussex

I had my yearly thyroid function blood test recently. The results were available on the NHS app. The doctor who reviewed them had booked it as two face to face consultations. That seems a little duplicitous to me

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