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"Noel Edmunds touched me many years ago!! In a public place whilst signing his autograph! I must have been abused :@ FFS some of the JS 'victim's even said all he did was put his arm around their shoulder. ! Don't get me wrong I feel for those who have been abused against their will but how many were starstruck little girls who said or pretended to be older just to sleep with their hero!! " Exactly. Not saying it's right but the whole ethos of society was also so very different then too. If he showed the two little boys his extra leg then it's a different matter. And as for tying kangaroos down I'm sure there is a law against that. Most likely no more than someone sat on his knee in 1967?? | |||
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"Noel Edmunds touched me many years ago!! In a public place whilst signing his autograph! I must have been abused :@ FFS some of the JS 'victim's even said all he did was put his arm around their shoulder. ! Don't get me wrong I feel for those who have been abused against their will but how many were starstruck little girls who said or pretended to be older just to sleep with their hero!! " You still wouldn't leave your daughter alone with him though would you? For that many women to complain, something must of happened | |||
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"Noel Edmunds touched me many years ago!! In a public place whilst signing his autograph! I must have been abused :@ FFS some of the JS 'victim's even said all he did was put his arm around their shoulder. ! Don't get me wrong I feel for those who have been abused against their will but how many were starstruck little girls who said or pretended to be older just to sleep with their hero!! Exactly. Not saying it's right but the whole ethos of society was also so very different then too. If he showed the two little boys his extra leg then it's a different matter. And as for tying kangaroos down I'm sure there is a law against that. Most likely no more than someone sat on his knee in 1967??" Arrrgh - was just typing something very similar! Great minds, eh? | |||
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"The thing is with this type of alleged offence is that once a persons name is in public arena there is risk of veing tried by media. Police can and do place strict bail conditions on any alleged suspected offenders bearing in mind innocent till proven guilty. The accused in my views should not be named until actually charged and convicted. If anyone is found guilty then throw the book at them but it seems to me far too easy to say something about someone and their name and life ruined if false claims are made. If someone is proven to have made false allegation they should be locked up for the length of time the accused would be if they were guilty instead of slap on the wrist." just what i was writing you beat me to it! ( well apart from the v instead of the b) | |||
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"I was told about Rolf 5 years ago. Along with another name that I obviously can't mention. someone who would make everyone on here go " How did you know? And who was it lol? Go on, I wont tell anyone | |||
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"Noel Edmunds touched me many years ago!! In a public place whilst signing his autograph! I must have been abused :@ FFS some of the JS 'victim's even said all he did was put his arm around their shoulder. ! Don't get me wrong I feel for those who have been abused against their will but how many were starstruck little girls who said or pretended to be older just to sleep with their hero!! You still wouldn't leave your daughter alone with him though would you? For that many women to complain, something must of happened " But in all fairness, when the majority of these 'assaults' occurred' people did let their kids go off by themselves and we didn't have mobile phones back then!! | |||
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"Now Rolfs being questioned on serious charges " No way This man is lovely and I've met him This as to stop as yes there are predictors out there like Saville but let's not tar them all with the same brush | |||
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"Is all of this becomung a farce? Maybe someone sat on his knee in 1967 or something equally daft....." I was thinking the same thing ..I mean this guy did a portrait of the queen? If he's a kiddy fiddler the whole world as we know it, is doomed | |||
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"If someone is proven to have made false allegation they should be locked up for the length of time the accused would be if they were guilty instead of slap on the wrist." And so should anyone within the Police who has passed the information to the media. So I understand, when he was bailed the Judge/Magistrate chose not to name him and he was only referred to as 'Yewtree Five'. So.... where did the media get the info from? I'd put money on ....... (answers on a postcard) | |||
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"I was told about Rolf 5 years ago. Along with another name that I obviously can't mention. someone who would make everyone on here go " Come on you started something now | |||
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"Noel Edmunds touched me many years ago!! In a public place whilst signing his autograph! I must have been abused :@ FFS some of the JS 'victim's even said all he did was put his arm around their shoulder. ! Don't get me wrong I feel for those who have been abused against their will but how many were starstruck little girls who said or pretended to be older just to sleep with their hero!! You still wouldn't leave your daughter alone with him though would you? For that many women to complain, something must of happened But in all fairness, when the majority of these 'assaults' occurred' people did let their kids go off by themselves and we didn't have mobile phones back then!! " Hmm yh true I guess | |||
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"I agree people shouldn't be named when they are arrested, if it goes to court name them otherwise it shouldn't be released, even if it's a false claim this is Rolf's career over mud sticks, does everybody remember the Matthew Kelly affair he was destroyed by false claims and where is he now?" Michael Jackson seemed to do ok lol but yeah I agree with you | |||
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"I agree people shouldn't be named when they are arrested, if it goes to court name them otherwise it shouldn't be released, even if it's a false claim this is Rolf's career over mud sticks, does everybody remember the Matthew Kelly affair he was destroyed by false claims and where is he now?" I was about to post something very similar, Matthew Kelly's career had never fully recovered but it's good to see he does get some more serious acting roles. I agree all allogations need to be investigated but I don't think people should be publicly named for sex offences until proved guilty... | |||
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"Don't agree with same sentence for the person who made the allegations but a sentence of some length at least. " Why not end of day someone accused of rape could get ten years in jail if guilty so why not those making false accusations as this will send out message of how serious it is. | |||
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"Don't agree with same sentence for the person who made the allegations but a sentence of some length at least. Why not end of day someone accused of rape could get ten years in jail if guilty so why not those making false accusations as this will send out message of how serious it is." Because it will scare genuine victims from coming forward. They may think people wont believe them and they will then get in trouble | |||
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"Living in the world that we do today, we all have a responsibility as adults, to listen and take seriously ANY allegations of this type. I firmly believe whether it be my husband, father brother or someone famous that in these cases, you should always take the word of the child until it is proved otherwise. When people don't listen thats when these ill people know they can get away with such sickening behaviour to an innocent child. And if proven innocent it will be equally documented, but we can not ignore these accusations for the sake and safety of other children.." Totally agree with all of that. But, we have a basic tenent of law in this country - you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. The Judge/Magistrate did what he or she could by choosing not to name the person bailed. Yet 'someone' has passed this information on to the media and RH is already having his life ruined - guilty or otherwise. IF.... he is charged and tried AND found guilty, then throw the book at him. But.... until he is charged, until he is tried, and certainly until and if he is found guilty, he is INNOCENT. | |||
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"I think it is sick to name the people accused , especially when it is reported that a judge said they shouldn't be naming him. I also think there is going to be some very innocent peoples lives ruined because of some nasty people jumping on the bandwagon." | |||
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"Hmmm makes me suspicious about his catchphrase " do you know what it is yet " " Pwhaha | |||
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"I agree people shouldn't be named when they are arrested, if it goes to court name them otherwise it shouldn't be released, even if it's a false claim this is Rolf's career over mud sticks, does everybody remember the Matthew Kelly affair he was destroyed by false claims and where is he now?" never mind his career, hes an old chap, such claims are enough to make him ill. i really hope its not true. | |||
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"There should be a cut off to making these or any sort of claim.. say 5 years from becoming 18..." the trouble with using the word 'claim' is that it implies that that is the sole issue for alledged victims reporting formally what occured.. some victims of abuse will carry that abuse with them for years, decades even.. they dont just switch it off at a prescribed time or age.. | |||
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"I think it is sick to name the people accused , especially when it is reported that a judge said they shouldn't be naming him. I also think there is going to be some very innocent peoples lives ruined because of some nasty people jumping on the bandwagon." yes your right . | |||
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"I think it is sick to name the people accused , especially when it is reported that a judge said they shouldn't be naming him. I also think there is going to be some very innocent peoples lives ruined because of some nasty people jumping on the bandwagon. " I do get this whole naming thing is big issue. I agree that people shouldnt be named before. But if for example, police suspected my neighbour of this type of crime, I would want to bloody know about it. So would other locals. I think most people will agree that people shouldnt be named . . . Unless the suspected individual is on their doorstep. And that just doesnt work. You either have to name all, or name nobody. Both are dangerous for different reasons. | |||
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" I do get this whole naming thing is big issue. I agree that people shouldnt be named before. But if for example, police suspected my neighbour of this type of crime, I would want to bloody know about it. So would other locals. I think most people will agree that people shouldnt be named . . . Unless the suspected individual is on their doorstep. And that just doesnt work. You either have to name all, or name nobody. Both are dangerous for different reasons. " trouble with naming is some of the 'locals' attack people's house who are actually paediatricians.. i know of one occasion where some fuckwit petrol bombed a wrong address cos so and so said a nonce lived at such n such.. | |||
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" I do get this whole naming thing is big issue. I agree that people shouldnt be named before. But if for example, police suspected my neighbour of this type of crime, I would want to bloody know about it. So would other locals. I think most people will agree that people shouldnt be named . . . Unless the suspected individual is on their doorstep. And that just doesnt work. You either have to name all, or name nobody. Both are dangerous for different reasons. trouble with naming is some of the 'locals' attack people's house who are actually paediatricians.. i know of one occasion where some fuckwit petrol bombed a wrong address cos so and so said a nonce lived at such n such.. " paediatricians? Lol they aren't that bad | |||
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" I do get this whole naming thing is big issue. I agree that people shouldnt be named before. But if for example, police suspected my neighbour of this type of crime, I would want to bloody know about it. So would other locals. I think most people will agree that people shouldnt be named . . . Unless the suspected individual is on their doorstep. And that just doesnt work. You either have to name all, or name nobody. Both are dangerous for different reasons. trouble with naming is some of the 'locals' attack people's house who are actually paediatricians.. i know of one occasion where some fuckwit petrol bombed a wrong address cos so and so said a nonce lived at such n such.. paediatricians? Lol they aren't that bad " the NOTW campaign a few years ago, think it was Sarah's law and a Paediatrician had her property attacked as some 'locals' got clearly confuse with Paedophile and her profession.. all a bit like the witch scene in Holy Grail.. | |||
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"Living in the world that we do today, we all have a responsibility as adults, to listen and take seriously ANY allegations of this type. I firmly believe whether it be my husband, father brother or someone famous that in these cases, you should always take the word of the child until it is proved otherwise. When people don't listen thats when these ill people know they can get away with such sickening behaviour to an innocent child. And if proven innocent it will be equally documented, but we can not ignore these accusations for the sake and safety of other children.." I disagree with you statement 'And if proven innocent it will be equally documented' When a person is accused of sexually abuse it is thrown all of the front pages, but when the charges are dropped etc then you have to search the newspaper to find it. Scandal sells news, innocents does not | |||
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"How is it that all these people are named when they are only suspected, and yet when that bastard who knifed the schoolgirl on the bus wasn't named for quite a while" I agree, they shouldnt be naming these people when they just being questioned... | |||
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"I think it is sick to name the people accused , especially when it is reported that a judge said they shouldn't be naming him. I also think there is going to be some very innocent peoples lives ruined because of some nasty people jumping on the bandwagon. I do get this whole naming thing is big issue. I agree that people shouldnt be named before. But if for example, police suspected my neighbour of this type of crime, I would want to bloody know about it. So would other locals. I think most people will agree that people shouldnt be named . . . Unless the suspected individual is on their doorstep. And that just doesnt work. You either have to name all, or name nobody. Both are dangerous for different reasons. " yes I can see your views on this people would wish to know and if on there door step ... but there other side if thay never done it ... thay have to live with it hanging over them for ever as it will ... even if thay never done a thing. Its a hard one .. | |||
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" I do get this whole naming thing is big issue. I agree that people shouldnt be named before. But if for example, police suspected my neighbour of this type of crime, I would want to bloody know about it. So would other locals. I think most people will agree that people shouldnt be named . . . Unless the suspected individual is on their doorstep. And that just doesnt work. You either have to name all, or name nobody. Both are dangerous for different reasons. trouble with naming is some of the 'locals' attack people's house who are actually paediatricians.. i know of one occasion where some fuckwit petrol bombed a wrong address cos so and so said a nonce lived at such n such.. paediatricians? Lol they aren't that bad the NOTW campaign a few years ago, think it was Sarah's law and a Paediatrician had her property attacked as some 'locals' got clearly confuse with Paedophile and her profession.. all a bit like the witch scene in Holy Grail.." Omg wow didnt hear about this | |||
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"shame still no many arrest on the expenses scandal " Yeah... MUCH more important than sexual abuse, fiddling your exoenses. Get a grip. | |||
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"Why are these people only coming forward now? Is it because there has been rumours of possible compensation available ?" same with jimmy thay had the clues years ago and never done nothing ...... maybe there way of making up for things not sure.? But to late for some and had to live with it years. x | |||
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"I heard about the Rolf Harris allegations last month, I can't remember where. I was told he wasn't charged. The news reports I have seen this morning still say he was questioned twice and there is no charge. I really hope it is a false allegation or we are getting to the point of saying that everyone in television and music from the 60s and 70s was a paedophile. " The media are so keen to splash about he has allegations made against him of sexually nature and linking it to the JS case. Then they say quietly well it is one woman making the allegation and they will not say how old the person was at the time. So it could be a 19 fan that Rolf slapped on the arse. But because it is linked with JS case people suddenly think that he must be some sort of pedo.. | |||
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"I heard about the Rolf Harris allegations last month, I can't remember where. I was told he wasn't charged. The news reports I have seen this morning still say he was questioned twice and there is no charge. I really hope it is a false allegation or we are getting to the point of saying that everyone in television and music from the 60s and 70s was a paedophile. " No one is currently saying RF is being accused of being a paedophile. They are just saying historical allegations of a sexually nature | |||
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"I think it is sick to name the people accused , especially when it is reported that a judge said they shouldn't be naming him. I also think there is going to be some very innocent peoples lives ruined because of some nasty people jumping on the bandwagon. I do get this whole naming thing is big issue. I agree that people shouldnt be named before. But if for example, police suspected my neighbour of this type of crime, I would want to bloody know about it. So would other locals. I think most people will agree that people shouldnt be named . . . Unless the suspected individual is on their doorstep. And that just doesnt work. You either have to name all, or name nobody. Both are dangerous for different reasons. " You see I think differently, I would want to know if the person has been convicted of something rather thn just being questioned for it. They could be totally innocent so there would be no need for any neighbours to know. | |||
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"I think it is sick to name the people accused , especially when it is reported that a judge said they shouldn't be naming him. I also think there is going to be some very innocent peoples lives ruined because of some nasty people jumping on the bandwagon. I do get this whole naming thing is big issue. I agree that people shouldnt be named before. But if for example, police suspected my neighbour of this type of crime, I would want to bloody know about it. So would other locals. I think most people will agree that people shouldnt be named . . . Unless the suspected individual is on their doorstep. And that just doesnt work. You either have to name all, or name nobody. Both are dangerous for different reasons. You see I think differently, I would want to know if the person has been convicted of something rather thn just being questioned for it. They could be totally innocent so there would be no need for any neighbours to know." If I had child, I would want yo know and even if the individual had not been charged or found guilty yet, I would make sure my child was not near them. Wouldnt take risk | |||
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"I think it is sick to name the people accused , especially when it is reported that a judge said they shouldn't be naming him. I also think there is going to be some very innocent peoples lives ruined because of some nasty people jumping on the bandwagon. I do get this whole naming thing is big issue. I agree that people shouldnt be named before. But if for example, police suspected my neighbour of this type of crime, I would want to bloody know about it. So would other locals. I think most people will agree that people shouldnt be named . . . Unless the suspected individual is on their doorstep. And that just doesnt work. You either have to name all, or name nobody. Both are dangerous for different reasons. You see I think differently, I would want to know if the person has been convicted of something rather thn just being questioned for it. They could be totally innocent so there would be no need for any neighbours to know. If I had child, I would want yo know and even if the individual had not been charged or found guilty yet, I would make sure my child was not near them. Wouldnt take risk " So you could wreck an innocent persons life? If somebody accused you of abusing them 20+ years ago, but you knew you was innocent, would you be happy with all your neighbours knowing about the allegations ? | |||
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"I think it is sick to name the people accused , especially when it is reported that a judge said they shouldn't be naming him. I also think there is going to be some very innocent peoples lives ruined because of some nasty people jumping on the bandwagon. I do get this whole naming thing is big issue. I agree that people shouldnt be named before. But if for example, police suspected my neighbour of this type of crime, I would want to bloody know about it. So would other locals. I think most people will agree that people shouldnt be named . . . Unless the suspected individual is on their doorstep. And that just doesnt work. You either have to name all, or name nobody. Both are dangerous for different reasons. You see I think differently, I would want to know if the person has been convicted of something rather thn just being questioned for it. They could be totally innocent so there would be no need for any neighbours to know. If I had child, I would want yo know and even if the individual had not been charged or found guilty yet, I would make sure my child was not near them. Wouldnt take risk " What if that person was completely innocent and the allegations unfounded, yet that person had already been firebombed, driven out of the community or murdered? Naming convicted paedophiles is one thing, but suspects are a different kettle of fish. I could walk into a police station now and say any Tom, Dick or Harry I have a grudge against touched me up as a youngster and sit back and watch the fireworks. I think guilty until proven innocent is quite dangerous and trial by media or the local community can have serious reprecussions for innocent people or those who are possibly being victimised themselves. And what if someone made false claims about you, would you want your neighbours told? | |||
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" If I had child, I would want yo know and even if the individual had not been charged or found guilty yet, I would make sure my child was not near them. Wouldnt take risk ." I have kids who are grown up now but when they were small they where never with neighbours on their own anyway so it wouldn't be an issue. | |||
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" I really hope it is a false allegation or we are getting to the point of saying that everyone in television and music from the 60s and 70s was a paedophile. " Hardly.And there has not been any reports suggesting paedophilia. | |||
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"I think it's outrageous how the media are portraying Rolf Harris! No way would I describe him as an entertainer!" Aww come on? Not even with his digerydo? | |||
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" I really hope it is a false allegation or we are getting to the point of saying that everyone in television and music from the 60s and 70s was a paedophile. ." everyone except , ironically, Ian Krankie. | |||
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"I think it's outrageous how the media are portraying Rolf Harris! No way would I describe him as an entertainer! Aww come on? Not even with his digerydo? " Apparently he played his digerydo in A-minor so no I can't approve sorry bro. | |||
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