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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

A judge has today 'jailed' 3 teens after they were found guilty of kicking / beating a homeless man to death in Liverpool.

Two of the lads were brothers and their mother provided them with false alibis -she was also jailed for perverting the course of justice.

The judge said that she bore responsibility for the crimes 'through a total lack of parental guidance'

So how much does 'parental guidance' figure in the crimes of teenagers ?

Or does 'evil' start to work independently at an early age regardless of whether guidance is provided or not ?

Or will being 'part of a pack' always carry more weight to some teens than any amounnt of parental guidance ?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It's a tricky one.

I think providing alibis sends entirely the wrong message to teenagers, and younger children. I don't know this case but there is something wrong with the compass on her guidance if inflicting violence is seen to be condoned.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I've just seen the report on the news now. They did this as a dare. A very shocking case.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I have no words apart from abhorrent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A judge has today 'jailed' 3 teens after they were found guilty of kicking / beating a homeless man to death in Liverpool.

Two of the lads were brothers and their mother provided them with false alibis -she was also jailed for perverting the course of justice.

The judge said that she bore responsibility for the crimes 'through a total lack of parental guidance'

So how much does 'parental guidance' figure in the crimes of teenagers ?

Or does 'evil' start to work independently at an early age regardless of whether guidance is provided or not ?

Or will being 'part of a pack' always carry more weight to some teens than any amounnt of parental guidance ?"

The mother also has another two sons in jail, one of whom is in for manslaughter. That's three sons in jail for ending another's life.

What a despicable family.

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool

Ashamed to be associated by City to them.

As for their mother..... I would of sat on the fence up to the point of her providing an alibi, exactly the same as the other horrific crime here a few years ago where the young child died of a gunshot wound from a kid who's family also helped him to try to evade conviction.

Despicable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Albert, quite a clever man said “God did not create evil. Just as darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of God.”

Replace God with any sort of guiding moral compass installed by a responsible and caring parent. She seems to have completely failed in every aspect of being a parent barring keeping them alive.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

This is part of the Guardian report:-

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The judge told the mother: "You have another son who is serving life for murder. There are not many parents who have that sort of personal agony to bear. But then again, not that many mothers would have shown themselves to be either so unwilling or unable to shoulder the responsibility of motherhood as you have."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There have been studies on this. People are born more likely to do bad things, and their upbringing is often the deciding factor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately where stupidity and evil originates is generations ago where people didnt pay attention and the culture of actively not giving a fuck began.

Telling those responsible to be accountable and vice versa is about as useful as a dick up the arse to cure constipation.

If you want to stop this shit from happening you need to be able to strike fear into those that abide by evil

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool


"Unfortunately where stupidity and evil originates is generations ago where people didnt pay attention and the culture of actively not giving a fuck began.

Telling those responsible to be accountable and vice versa is about as useful as a dick up the arse to cure constipation.

If you want to stop this shit from happening you need to be able to strike fear into those that abide by evil"

Well said

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By *nfieldishCouple
over a year ago

Enfield


"Unfortunately where stupidity and evil originates is generations ago where people didnt pay attention and the culture of actively not giving a fuck began.

Telling those responsible to be accountable and vice versa is about as useful as a dick up the arse to cure constipation.

If you want to stop this shit from happening you need to be able to strike fear into those that abide by evil"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to be honest, there isn't much I wouldn't do for my kids but if I ever found out any of them had done a really serious crime like rape or cold blooded murder I simply couldn't cover for them, and I really do think I would call the police myself

You really not helping your kids by covering these crimes

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814


"I have to be honest, there isn't much I wouldn't do for my kids but if I ever found out any of them had done a really serious crime like rape or cold blooded murder I simply couldn't cover for them, and I really do think I would call the police myself

You really not helping your kids by covering these crimes"

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I have to be honest, there isn't much I wouldn't do for my kids but if I ever found out any of them had done a really serious crime like rape or cold blooded murder I simply couldn't cover for them, and I really do think I would call the police myself

You really not helping your kids by covering these crimes"

And we all have a duty to the society we live in and bring our children into.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There have been studies on this. People are born more likely to do bad things, and their upbringing is often the deciding factor. "

I studied psychology and sociology ay uni and there is no evidence at all that a childs upbringing has any baring on such things in later life, yes there are some abused children that grow up and turn the abuser but there are far more abused children that grow up to be law abiding citizen that do a perfectly good job of bring up their own family

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"This is part of the Guardian report:-

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The judge told the mother: "You have another son who is serving life for murder. There are not many parents who have that sort of personal agony to bear. But then again, not that many mothers would have shown themselves to be either so unwilling or unable to shoulder the responsibility of motherhood as you have."

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...and the fathers?!!

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool


"This is part of the Guardian report:-

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The judge told the mother: "You have another son who is serving life for murder. There are not many parents who have that sort of personal agony to bear. But then again, not that many mothers would have shown themselves to be either so unwilling or unable to shoulder the responsibility of motherhood as you have."

...and the fathers?!!"

oh, they're all in the pub !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is part of the Guardian report:-

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The judge told the mother: "You have another son who is serving life for murder. There are not many parents who have that sort of personal agony to bear. But then again, not that many mothers would have shown themselves to be either so unwilling or unable to shoulder the responsibility of motherhood as you have."

...and the fathers?!!"

they probably legged it years ago

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"This is part of the Guardian report:-

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The judge told the mother: "You have another son who is serving life for murder. There are not many parents who have that sort of personal agony to bear. But then again, not that many mothers would have shown themselves to be either so unwilling or unable to shoulder the responsibility of motherhood as you have."

...and the fathers?!!

oh, they're all in the pub !"

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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago

near kings lynn


"There have been studies on this. People are born more likely to do bad things, and their upbringing is often the deciding factor.

I studied psychology and sociology ay uni and there is no evidence at all that a childs upbringing has any baring on such things in later life, yes there are some abused children that grow up and turn the abuser but there are far more abused children that grow up to be law abiding citizen that do a perfectly good job of bring up their own family"

I certainly got a very different set of information on my course today. Showing massively how much home life effects childrens education and achievement.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"This is part of the Guardian report:-

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The judge told the mother: "You have another son who is serving life for murder. There are not many parents who have that sort of personal agony to bear. But then again, not that many mothers would have shown themselves to be either so unwilling or unable to shoulder the responsibility of motherhood as you have."

...and the fathers?!!

they probably legged it years ago "

I daresay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There have been studies on this. People are born more likely to do bad things, and their upbringing is often the deciding factor.

I studied psychology and sociology ay uni and there is no evidence at all that a childs upbringing has any baring on such things in later life, yes there are some abused children that grow up and turn the abuser but there are far more abused children that grow up to be law abiding citizen that do a perfectly good job of bring up their own family

I certainly got a very different set of information on my course today. Showing massively how much home life effects childrens education and achievement."

Education and achievements arnt the same as killing

I think it all comes down to how well adjusted you are, if a family is raised the same, uncaring mother, abusive father with 3 kids, one of those kids may turn out to abuse his/her kids as its how they was raised so imprinted in their minds but that does not mean all the children in that family will, a bad upbringing may effect someone to turn 'bad' themselves but that does not mean everyone whos had a bad upbringing will, some people can learn to cope with their feelings and turn them to good, some cant

To be honest theres no right or wrong answer to this, you can argue the pros and cons against each till the cows come home

When you do your exam theres no right or wrong answers so long as you give your views and back up why you think that you will pass

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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago

near kings lynn

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there is no evidence at all that a childs upbringing has any baring on such things in later life.......that is the statement you made that I was referring to. In my experience of working with families for over 20 years now that a childs upbringing has alot to do with how they turn out.

Yes there are children that come from families full of love and great experiences that turn out bad and in prison. But I have experienced data on my course that shows how much a families experiences reflect massively their childs way forward.

Perfectly happy that your research was different and not sure how recent it was. Different areas are also different. So more than happy that your experiences are different x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Something similar is a bit of a sore subject with me at the mo.

She deserves to be charged you are supposed to teach your children right from wrong and make them responsible for their own actions.

I do also believe some people just have badness in them and no amount of parental guidance will change them but its worth the battle to try to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As much as I love my kids,.if I ever thought they had commited a crime, I would take them to the police myself

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I believe in the concept of nature AND nurture as part of what guides our moral compass.

That said, people as a rule DO know what is right and what is wrong - they sometimes choose to ignore that inner voice.

A poor upbringing, bad parental role models certainly dont help a young person to make good choices but there is ultimately a concept of taking responsibility for one's actions and knowing beforehand whether something is ok or not ok to do.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

I guess its the nature vs nurture debate.

In this case, it does make me wonder what kind of upbringing they've had, especially as one of her kids had already been convicted of murder.

Saying that, my friends brother in law was a 'career criminal' and has been in and out of prison and juvie since he was a teen, but his brother has never had so much as a parking ticket. Their dad died when they were very young and their mum struggled and did her best for them, but one turned out a thug the other wouldnt hurt a fly.

Its a tough call as a parent. I would like to think that I would hand my kids over to the police if they commited a crime. But cant say I'd definitely do it if God forbid it ever happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Unfortunately where stupidity and evil originates is generations ago where people didnt pay attention and the culture of actively not giving a fuck began.

Telling those responsible to be accountable and vice versa is about as useful as a dick up the arse to cure constipation.

If you want to stop this shit from happening you need to be able to strike fear into those that abide by evil"

Utter crap.

'Striking fear' is deluded - what do you think they will fear? And these behaviours aren't new.

Parenting, education, environment, culture - it's a combination of factors and never with a simple solution. But no single one of them is an excuse because for every crappy idiot, there's another next door that is the opposite.

Above all though, parenting is the most significant.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

its pretty much a no brainer tbh, its how the parent, guardian raises them..

yes of course there will be the odd exception where someone turns bad despite a 'good upbringing'..

raising children is in some ways like having and being resposible for pets eg. dogs..

you put in place the rules etc, you support them and guide them and when they mess up and make mistakes your there for them witin reason..

had one or both of ours did what these did they would no longer be any part of our life..

as for the parents..

scum, end of..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its pretty much a no brainer tbh, its how the parent, guardian raises them..

yes of course there will be the odd exception where someone turns bad despite a 'good upbringing'..

raising children is in some ways like having and being resposible for pets eg. dogs..

you put in place the rules etc, you support them and guide them and when they mess up and make mistakes your there for them witin reason..

had one or both of ours did what these did they would no longer be any part of our life..

as for the parents..

scum, end of.. "

I worked with a family where two of three children were in prison long term, and also the father - one for murder. The youngest child went to higher ed, has a good job, is a lovely person.

The difference, very sadly, is that the mother died from serious illness and the youngest child was brought up by a different family who were very strict in which aspects of the child's 'old life' were permissible.

I think there's a strong case for making parents more accountable for the actions of their children.

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