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"We are 48. We will have £56k a year in investments/savings/etc available at the age of 55. This should be plenty for us to live on. At 50 we will have £26k from the above, so will still need to work for a bit but only part time." Start building your ISA up and reduce investing. 5.1 with trading 212 and 20K remember is tax free FOR LIFE. The tax relief of 40 or 45% now is nice but reality is you’ll be paying tax if not careful , like said above this government wants to tax retired people , so keeping to your 12k personal allowance and living off tax free ISA interest is a smart move | |||
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"Surely that depends on the individual and their circumstances. Only you can answer for you. To retire at 50 and live how I want to, I'd need 60k a year after tax minimum. Could I get by with less,yes, but I wouldn't want to. I'll be retiring at 57." Did you calculate how much you’ll be worth when you die ? To live on 60K a year , 5K a month after tax means income of 88,000 a year. To buy an annuity will cost 1.5 million at age 57 BUT 1.5 million invested would give a 75,000 income never run out. Most snart people I know are realising they are working / worked far too long and will die with more money that they ever owned, sacrificing years of good healthy life for inheritance | |||
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"Surely that depends on the individual and their circumstances. Only you can answer for you. To retire at 50 and live how I want to, I'd need 60k a year after tax minimum. Could I get by with less,yes, but I wouldn't want to. I'll be retiring at 57. Did you calculate how much you’ll be worth when you die ? To live on 60K a year , 5K a month after tax means income of 88,000 a year. To buy an annuity will cost 1.5 million at age 57 BUT 1.5 million invested would give a 75,000 income never run out. Most snart people I know are realising they are working / worked far too long and will die with more money that they ever owned, sacrificing years of good healthy life for inheritance " I'm well aware, 70% + of my income at retirement will be from stocks and shares ISAs. | |||
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"You want to travel. How much you need depends on how you want to travel and whether you need to maintain a home in the UK and whether you own that home outright or if it's mortgaged or rented. Once you work out how much you need to maintain your home base factoring in inflation, repairs, etc you can start thinking about how much your travel costs will be. You've got s way to go before you can access any private pensions you might have. Having retired at 57 I can tell you that it's possible to live fairly well on a lot less than you imagine. Out of curiosity, what have you retired on at 57? I’m aiming for just that." I'm not prepared to disclose our income obviously but we downsized to be mortgage free which makes a huge difference, were debt free eg no credit cards, car finance etc and both claimed small private pensions. When you have plenty of time it's much easier to spend less. | |||
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"I’ll be working until lunchtime on the day of my funeral! 🤣" Loool that is jkess hhaha | |||
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"I dont ever want to retire as I love working in my various professions ... the thought of doing nothing is weird to me .. always something will be able to do .... be it digitally . or physically " It’s the difference between doing something you like and something you need to I think. Sadly getting paid for something you enjoy isn’t always the way. Those that crack it are fortunate. I’d love to retire but I’d fill my days very easily, not waking up to the sound of an alarm clock would feel like winning at life every day | |||
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"I dont ever want to retire as I love working in my various professions ... the thought of doing nothing is weird to me .. always something will be able to do .... be it digitally . or physically " You don't have to be paid to make what you do day to day worthwhile . I think it's a mistake to assume that people who don't work for money do nothing. When I stopped earning a lot of people told me they'd be bored, couldn't just sit at home etc. I still don't know why they thought I'd be doing that. | |||
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"Debt free, mortgage cleared about 25-30k minimum 😳" Yes I'd agree with that. Also have an emergency fund if you can | |||
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"Debt free, mortgage cleared about 25-30k minimum 😳 Yes I'd agree with that. Also have an emergency fund if you can" Agreed 💰 | |||
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"Just one rich husband Mrs x" Dammit. That’s where I’ve been going wrong. Should have been gay. I knew it. | |||
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"Just one rich husband Mrs x Dammit. That’s where I’ve been going wrong. Should have been gay. I knew it." I’d consider it if it meant telling my boss to do one early | |||
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"Just one rich husband Mrs x" I'm not retired, he is but I only do two days a week on average Mrs x | |||
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"I can no way afford it but have a seed of a plan in a 'few' years to just sell up and fuck off for a bit. I wont have a massive lump sum from property and will be unlikely to ever get back on the property ladder again, but I will be quite happy to be out of the circus of work and bills. Im not entirely sure what my life will look like, but Im sure I could live in a van quite happily and freelance about the place. Winters are quite mild now aren't they and I like tinned beans " I can donate a tin opener to save your nails Sounds like a great plan though. | |||
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"I can no way afford it but have a seed of a plan in a 'few' years to just sell up and fuck off for a bit. I wont have a massive lump sum from property and will be unlikely to ever get back on the property ladder again, but I will be quite happy to be out of the circus of work and bills. Im not entirely sure what my life will look like, but Im sure I could live in a van quite happily and freelance about the place. Winters are quite mild now aren't they and I like tinned beans " Hope you choose a van with adequate ventilation | |||
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"I’m on the verge of semi retirement. Negotiations are underway. All my friends have jacked, just me. I’ll still work, but not with pressure of running a company. Life’s too short…." Is semi retirement when you lose your stiffy? | |||
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"If i didn't work I'd up becoming a serial killer just for something to do. Hopefully i'll die before i reach retirement age." You’re killing me Raven… for free. You need to monatize that | |||
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"Realistically, I'd need £3 million." That used to be my thoughts on chucking work if I won lottery, minimum £3M needed | |||
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"Just looking back at the profiles I can see in this thread and very few are close to retirement or actually retired. I would say that *if you can* and I know it's not easy, put money into a pension or other investment regularly. If you haven't already, start now. Retirement might seem a long way off and lots of people say they will never be able to stop work but unless you want to be a deliveroo driver at age 85 you need to start planning now. Here ends the mum lecture " I am with the mum lecture | |||
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"Just looking back at the profiles I can see in this thread and very few are close to retirement or actually retired. I would say that *if you can* and I know it's not easy, put money into a pension or other investment regularly. If you haven't already, start now. Retirement might seem a long way off and lots of people say they will never be able to stop work but unless you want to be a deliveroo driver at age 85 you need to start planning now. Here ends the mum lecture " What surprises me is how much people think they will need to live on and that keeps them working much longer. I’ve always been creative & enjoyed keeping costs to a minimum as much of my life I had very little. Now travel a lot , I have 2 homes & made really good investments in the last15 or so years but I don’t spend a lot , probably less than 1/2 of most people I know. I prefer to cook and have friends over than go out to restaurants, I share or rent cars only when needed and I don’t buy any ‘stuff’ , we pass books around and we network on all kinds of rewards, deals etc. my credit card pays all my UK train costs. Of course I love the ‘sharing’ economy | |||
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"It really varies depending on person circumstances and standard of living. Inflation will continue until you die, so that will erode a fixed purse fairly heavily. With no mortgage £500k well invested will only yield £30k a year (napkin math) and you'll still pay tax on it. I'd want that at a minimum, personally. Can always do a bit of work here and there for bread and butter money. " I would hope that income bond rates stay higher than retail indexes Inflation or RPI generally disproportionately hurts the consumerist. If you take your annual spend , deduct mortgage payments , multiply by 1.025 then add back in mortgage payments , convert to a %age compare that to an income bond like 5-6% you see you’ll be getting richer as you get older | |||
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"Toying with the idea, to then go see the world question is do I have enough funds" Something I’m looking at too I think you need to be realistic no debts( store cards ect ) mortgage free Have a decent amount of savings and at least 18k a year plus decent lump sum to help but still feel it won’t be enough If your down sizing that’ll help too but I recon toul travel for a year or two then get bored and feel you need a job again just for pocket money till you reach the actually retirement age to get your additional 10k a year but if you can afford I’d say go do it life’s too short | |||
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" For those still awaiting private pension retirement age, take advantage of paying in avc's, for every £600 you pay in from gross wage the government also gives you £400, so that's a £1000 each month, plus you can pay higher or lower and also pay in any yearly bonus Saves you a lot of tax. " Ah yes, let me just locate my surplus/spare £600 knocking about each month...oh wait, reality check, I'm lucky if there is £6 leftover 🙄 | |||
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"I’m curious, for those saying £500k, what kind of interest rate are you taking into account on that? If it’s high street at about 5% that’s £25k then take off tax, probably leaves you with £1700 a month. Assume mortgage free, is that enough at 50, when you’re young enough to travel etc? Also got to factor in something going wrong in the house. Not picking fault, genuinely asking if it’s enough. I think I’d need £30k minimum after tax to do what I want." Who mentioned living off interest? | |||
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"I’m curious, for those saying £500k, what kind of interest rate are you taking into account on that? If it’s high street at about 5% that’s £25k then take off tax, probably leaves you with £1700 a month. Assume mortgage free, is that enough at 50, when you’re young enough to travel etc? Also got to factor in something going wrong in the house. Not picking fault, genuinely asking if it’s enough. I think I’d need £30k minimum after tax to do what I want. Who mentioned living off interest?" Exactly, what you saving it for? You'll be dead soon. | |||
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"I’m curious, for those saying £500k, what kind of interest rate are you taking into account on that? If it’s high street at about 5% that’s £25k then take off tax, probably leaves you with £1700 a month. Assume mortgage free, is that enough at 50, when you’re young enough to travel etc? Also got to factor in something going wrong in the house. Not picking fault, genuinely asking if it’s enough. I think I’d need £30k minimum after tax to do what I want. Who mentioned living off interest? Exactly, what you saving it for? You'll be dead soon. " It must be an alpha thing | |||
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"I’m curious, for those saying £500k, what kind of interest rate are you taking into account on that? If it’s high street at about 5% that’s £25k then take off tax, probably leaves you with £1700 a month. Assume mortgage free, is that enough at 50, when you’re young enough to travel etc? Also got to factor in something going wrong in the house. Not picking fault, genuinely asking if it’s enough. I think I’d need £30k minimum after tax to do what I want. Who mentioned living off interest? Exactly, what you saving it for? You'll be dead soon. " Realistically, you could live until you’re 80, £500k soon disappears if you’re not working and really want to enjoy it. If I’m retiring I don’t ever want to work again, and enjoy life out and about, so thinking might need more. Each to their own, I’m just curious how different people are approaching it, no right, no wrong, hoping to pick up some ideas. | |||
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"I’m nowhere near affording to retire Leaving an abusive marriage 12 years ago and starting afresh had put me right back My mortgage is like most 20 somethings are paying unfortunately Need a side hustle lol " the side hustle is attached to you below your neck and above your stomach lol😂 | |||
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" Realistically, you could live until you’re 80, £500k soon disappears if you’re not working and really want to enjoy it. " Realistically, many people have zero chance of affording to build up a 500k pension pot, let alone more. | |||
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" Realistically, you could live until you’re 80, £500k soon disappears if you’re not working and really want to enjoy it. Realistically, many people have zero chance of affording to build up a 500k pension pot, let alone more." Depends how many people are getting inheritance from folks as well I guess. | |||
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"I’m curious, for those saying £500k, what kind of interest rate are you taking into account on that? If it’s high street at about 5% that’s £25k then take off tax, probably leaves you with £1700 a month. Assume mortgage free, is that enough at 50, when you’re young enough to travel etc? Also got to factor in something going wrong in the house. Not picking fault, genuinely asking if it’s enough. I think I’d need £30k minimum after tax to do what I want." You make some very good points. 5-6% Remember pre (50-55) and during retirement you can shift 20K a year from pensions to ISA’s so by the time you’re living off interest you should not be paying tax on it. Each 20K in Trading212 ISA currently makes £85 a month. So work out after your £12,000 or so allowance how many extra 20Ks you need to live off interest in 50s, 60s then factor in inheritance, downsizes or swapping cash for interest and simplifying as you get older. I think it’s sensible before retirement or early in your 50s to fix up your house against future costs. Maybe even change it to a bungalow, fit multi fuel , Solar , heat pump etc and learn to cook if you can’t , equip yourself with skills and tools (and friends!) to live a little differently. Travel costs a fraction of what it does when you are working working. Get a credit card that gives you DragonPass and start using self transfers. You’ll halve your flight costs for a start. | |||
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