FabSwingers.com forum: If you find out an artist...

By *ake_or_death OP Man
12 weeks ago

Manchester

...you like has done something you disapprove of, does it affect how you relate to their art? If it turns out that a singer is racist, a film director has behaved inappropriately on set, or that a writer is a bigot or abuser - can you still experience their work in the same way, or is it tainted for you by what the artist did?

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By *imples24Man
12 weeks ago

tamworth

Depends what they have done but definitely taints the more serous it is

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By *MisschiefxTV/TS
12 weeks ago

London

ehhh not really, I don't have an issue separating the art from the artist. Much less so a film too, writing off hundreds of people's work because of one person is a bit dense.

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By *alandNitaCouple
12 weeks ago

Scunthorpe

Not at all for me... People can be more than one thing at the same time.

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By *ib.Man
12 weeks ago

Hampshire

Tainted. Unfortunately.

I still appreciate it but don't hold it in such a high regard.

It's an awkward moral dilemma, but integrity ultimately rules for me.

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By *naswingdressWoman
12 weeks ago

Manchester (she/her)

I won't purchase/support anything new, but I can enjoy what I already own.

I believe that art is a dialect between what exists and those consuming them. (I also try not to do things that financially support crappy people)

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By (user no longer on site)
12 weeks ago

I think there's a line in what you're willing to accept or forget. I do find that once that line is crossed, then I can't enjoy their art without thinking of what they did.

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
12 weeks ago

Glasgow / London

"I won't purchase/support anything new, but I can enjoy what I already own."

Yep, same here. My relationship to that artist is changed. My relationship to the prior art is too, but not to same degree.

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By *alm_one4Man
12 weeks ago

RM16

Had never considered this, but thinking about it now, quite possibly depending on what they had done.

Back in the early 90’s I had tickets to see Garry Glitter. My ex wife Sister was rushed to hospital so we never went. Quite pleased we didn’t now (notwithstanding the reason).

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By (user no longer on site)
12 weeks ago

"I think there's a line in what you're willing to accept or forget. I do find that once that line is crossed, then I can't enjoy their art without thinking of what they did. "

Ok, that may actually be a lie as I still watch WWE despite Vince McMahon's actions but I justify that as he's not there anymore

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
12 weeks ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

It depends on what they've done. An act whom I really respected was found to have had reprehensible content on his laptop - beyond doubt, as they plead guilty - and whilst they no longer gig, it's totally ruined them for me.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
12 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

I think I can separate things in my head reasonably.

An example in a musical context would be that I could still listen too and enjoy what I had already experienced, but am less likely to be listening to any new output, but would judge any I did hear on its merits.

If that makes any sense.

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By *lowupdollTV/TS
12 weeks ago

Herts

Something morally abhorrent it becomes impossible to appreciate their art.

Finding out they are somewhere on the twat scale I can separate the person from the art to a degree.

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By *tew008Man
12 weeks ago

edinburgh

normally prefer if the artist is dead as I know they won’t gain from my patronage. So it might stop me buying something but I can still appreciate it.

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By *aven.Woman
12 weeks ago

Not the North West...

No.

Someone can be a great singer/actor/writer but a dick in real life. But I don't speak to them in real life.

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By *lowupdollTV/TS
12 weeks ago

Herts

It’s a great question.

Ferdinand Porsche was a nazi. So was Hugo Boss. Yet people admire and want their art. Even the very people they in their own time, believed should be destroyed.

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By *ib.Man
12 weeks ago

Hampshire

"It’s a great question.

Ferdinand Porsche was a nazi. So was Hugo Boss. Yet people admire and want their art. Even the very people they in their own time, believed should be destroyed.

Is there a timescale when someone is admonished from their actions?

Most(a lot) of established brands have a pretty dubious history.

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By *naswingdressWoman
12 weeks ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It’s a great question.

Ferdinand Porsche was a nazi. So was Hugo Boss. Yet people admire and want their art. Even the very people they in their own time, believed should be destroyed.

To what extent do we separate the company from their origins or their past? (Not a pointed question, an open question)

Ford was a piece of shit. Kellog wasn't great either. For example

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By *lowupdollTV/TS
12 weeks ago

Herts

"It’s a great question.

Ferdinand Porsche was a nazi. So was Hugo Boss. Yet people admire and want their art. Even the very people they in their own time, believed should be destroyed.

Is there a timescale when someone is admonished from their actions?

Most(a lot) of established brands have a pretty dubious history.

My point exactly. Does time and distance change that perception of person and their art? Can the artist villain be rehabilitated through their art?

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By *lowupdollTV/TS
12 weeks ago

Herts

"It’s a great question.

Ferdinand Porsche was a nazi. So was Hugo Boss. Yet people admire and want their art. Even the very people they in their own time, believed should be destroyed.

To what extent do we separate the company from their origins or their past? (Not a pointed question, an open question)

Ford was a piece of shit. Kellog wasn't great either. For example "

Also great examples.

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By *ansoffateMan
12 weeks ago

Sagittarius A

It's a bit of a composition fallacy for me. In the same way one of my friends, whose an animal lover, points out that Hitler banned fox hunting.

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By *ampireLoveMan
12 weeks ago

Essex & Bristol

Depends on what they have done and how they feel about what they’ve done.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
12 weeks ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Yeah it totally ruins all of it for me, I wouldn't watch anything they had done. But I can disassociate and watch the TV show with other people in it for instance.

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By *ascaIMan
12 weeks ago

Cheshire Liverpool Manchester

"I think there's a line in what you're willing to accept or forget. I do find that once that line is crossed, then I can't enjoy their art without thinking of what they did.

Ok, that may actually be a lie as I still watch WWE despite Vince McMahon's actions but I justify that as he's not there anymore

AEW could really do with your support.

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By *ib.Man
12 weeks ago

Hampshire

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By *unmatt888Man
12 weeks ago

Duns

"ehhh not really, I don't have an issue separating the art from the artist. Much less so a film too, writing off hundreds of people's work because of one person is a bit dense."

Yeah, me too. I think very little of Graham Linehan for example, but still enjoy watching Father Ted and the others.

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By *ib.Man
12 weeks ago

Hampshire

"It’s a great question.

Ferdinand Porsche was a nazi. So was Hugo Boss. Yet people admire and want their art. Even the very people they in their own time, believed should be destroyed.

A conundrum indeed.

I think people just have short memories.

Or maybe it's just more convenient to just forget?

Life is short.

It's not a great precedent to set though.

Is there a timescale when someone is admonished from their actions?

Most(a lot) of established brands have a pretty dubious history.

My point exactly. Does time and distance change that perception of person and their art? Can the artist villain be rehabilitated through their art? "

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By *ib.Man
12 weeks ago

Hampshire

Fucked that right up.

Oh well. Not a nazi though.

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By *enk15Man
12 weeks ago

Evesham

I won’t listen to Lost Prophets anymore, so I guess the answer is yes.

But then again I am a hypocrite because I’ll happily listen to Elvis

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
12 weeks ago

1127 walnut avenue

Well I could certainly never listen to lostprophets again ... (though I couldn't listen to them before the singer was outed as a nonce..I always thought they were shite..)🤮

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By (user no longer on site)
12 weeks ago

"I think there's a line in what you're willing to accept or forget. I do find that once that line is crossed, then I can't enjoy their art without thinking of what they did.

Ok, that may actually be a lie as I still watch WWE despite Vince McMahon's actions but I justify that as he's not there anymore

AEW could really do with your support. "

I've tried, but I really can't get into it. It feels like you have to spend your life on the internet to get some of the references they do.

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By *MisschiefxTV/TS
12 weeks ago

London

"ehhh not really, I don't have an issue separating the art from the artist. Much less so a film too, writing off hundreds of people's work because of one person is a bit dense.

Yeah, me too. I think very little of Graham Linehan for example, but still enjoy watching Father Ted and the others. "

Father Ted is excellent

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By *agatoXXXMan
12 weeks ago

Gone and completely forgotten.

JK Rowling - Discuss.

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By *naswingdressWoman
12 weeks ago

Manchester (she/her)

"JK Rowling - Discuss."

I won't purchase/support anything new, but I can enjoy what I already own.

I believe that art is a dialect between what exists and those consuming them. (I also try not to do things that financially support crappy people)

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By *MisschiefxTV/TS
12 weeks ago

London

"JK Rowling - Discuss."

I think she's a nob head but I'll watch the films

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By *ake_or_death OP Man
12 weeks ago

Manchester

"JK Rowling - Discuss."

Never read a book or hers or even seen a screen adaptation. So to me she's just the absolute shite that she tweets.

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By *ansoffateMan
12 weeks ago

Sagittarius A

"JK Rowling - Discuss."

The books are garbage, the movies I have fond memories of watching with my kids.

She's a bit a knobhead.

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By *ascaIMan
12 weeks ago

Cheshire Liverpool Manchester

"I think there's a line in what you're willing to accept or forget. I do find that once that line is crossed, then I can't enjoy their art without thinking of what they did.

Ok, that may actually be a lie as I still watch WWE despite Vince McMahon's actions but I justify that as he's not there anymore

AEW could really do with your support.

I've tried, but I really can't get into it. It feels like you have to spend your life on the internet to get some of the references they do."

I’ve only seen the odd clip trending on Twitter. Watching someone attempt a promo with zero crowd reaction because there’s literally no crowd is painful viewing 😅

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By *ib.Man
12 weeks ago

Hampshire

"JK Rowling - Discuss."

Never read in of her books or watched a film.

I really need to look into why she has an axe to grind because it seems pretty acute.

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By *unmatt888Man
12 weeks ago

Duns

"Yeah, me too. I think very little of Graham Linehan for example, but still enjoy watching Father Ted and the others.

Father Ted is excellent "

Well yes, I wouldn’t watch it if it wasn’t!

"I won’t listen to Lost Prophets anymore, so I guess the answer is yes.

But then again I am a hypocrite because I’ll happily listen to Elvis "

Unless I’ve missed something here, they’re hardly in the same league.

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By *neeyedwillieMan
12 weeks ago

Darlington

"JK Rowling - Discuss."

Not a Potter fan, have no real interest in what she has to say. Have no feelings about her what so ever to be honest.

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