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"You're talking about a transgender woman." oh yea | |||
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"You're talking about a transgender woman. oh yea " Then scrap my comment. I'll replace it with "so what?" | |||
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"I'll bite. Did the person just go into a cubicle and mind their own business? " how the hell would I know I dont use the ladies loo | |||
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"I'll bite. Did the person just go into a cubicle and mind their own business? how the hell would I know I dont use the ladies loo " I assumed your daughter would have told you. I'll rephrase the question - what was the issue with the trans woman going into those toilets? | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc " I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔" No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans " they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. " Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers " Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. " If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs?" Yes but there's a distinct difference between a muscly woman and a crossdresser man | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? Yes but there's a distinct difference between a muscly woman and a crossdresser man " Is there really? And even if there were, why am I supposed to care that men (or people that other people claim are men) are using women's toilets? Because I don't care. | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered." Then change the name to inclusive toilets | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets " No. They're special toilets built for people whose disabilities mean they need different facilities. Calling them "inclusive toilets" would mean that more selfish dipshits would use them, not less. | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered." But in spoons they’re so convinient lot located & the other toilets are a always miles away upstairs. Anyway It must be ok or they wouldn’t sell the master keys for them on Ebay | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets No. They're special toilets built for people whose disabilities mean they need different facilities. Calling them "inclusive toilets" would mean that more selfish dipshits would use them, not less." And people who go through surgeries and more need different facilities I'd say either go to born sex toilets or make the 3rd an inclusive single toilet option | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets No. They're special toilets built for people whose disabilities mean they need different facilities. Calling them "inclusive toilets" would mean that more selfish dipshits would use them, not less. And people who go through surgeries and more need different facilities I'd say either go to born sex toilets or make the 3rd an inclusive single toilet option " People who have had surgeries etc are disabled, if temporary. I'd have three toilets. General, disabled, selfish dipshits/terfs. | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets No. They're special toilets built for people whose disabilities mean they need different facilities. Calling them "inclusive toilets" would mean that more selfish dipshits would use them, not less. And people who go through surgeries and more need different facilities I'd say either go to born sex toilets or make the 3rd an inclusive single toilet option People who have had surgeries etc are disabled, if temporary. I'd have three toilets. General, disabled, selfish dipshits/terfs." So making an accomodation for someone is in someway terf behaviour Coming to the table with a balanced approach that most people would be okay with is terf behaviour? | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs?" it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets No. They're special toilets built for people whose disabilities mean they need different facilities. Calling them "inclusive toilets" would mean that more selfish dipshits would use them, not less. And people who go through surgeries and more need different facilities I'd say either go to born sex toilets or make the 3rd an inclusive single toilet option People who have had surgeries etc are disabled, if temporary. I'd have three toilets. General, disabled, selfish dipshits/terfs. So making an accomodation for someone is in someway terf behaviour Coming to the table with a balanced approach that most people would be okay with is terf behaviour?" Nope. Didn't say that. By "selfish dipshit", I mean "someone who does not need the disabled toilets, who uses them because it's more convenient, thus potentially depriving someone who needs that limited resource". If you're saying that's acceptable, then we fundamentally disagree. What's "balanced" about not reserving disabled toilets for those whose bodies and abilities require that resource? | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her " Yes, bless her, making fun of people in public. Is that a behaviour you encourage? Because I would be embarrassed if my teenager behaved like a toddler in that manner. | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her " Why were you concerned for your daughter? | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her Why were you concerned for your daughter? "If I were concerned about my child's safety, I wouldn't encourage them to draw attention to themselves. That's only drawing a target on your back. | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets No. They're special toilets built for people whose disabilities mean they need different facilities. Calling them "inclusive toilets" would mean that more selfish dipshits would use them, not less. And people who go through surgeries and more need different facilities I'd say either go to born sex toilets or make the 3rd an inclusive single toilet option People who have had surgeries etc are disabled, if temporary. I'd have three toilets. General, disabled, selfish dipshits/terfs. So making an accomodation for someone is in someway terf behaviour Coming to the table with a balanced approach that most people would be okay with is terf behaviour? Nope. Didn't say that. By "selfish dipshit", I mean "someone who does not need the disabled toilets, who uses them because it's more convenient, thus potentially depriving someone who needs that limited resource". If you're saying that's acceptable, then we fundamentally disagree. What's "balanced" about not reserving disabled toilets for those whose bodies and abilities require that resource?" But the only reason a person would be deprived would be to make accomodations for another group And as far as none disabled people using disabled toilets I agree it's wrong. | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets No. They're special toilets built for people whose disabilities mean they need different facilities. Calling them "inclusive toilets" would mean that more selfish dipshits would use them, not less. And people who go through surgeries and more need different facilities I'd say either go to born sex toilets or make the 3rd an inclusive single toilet option People who have had surgeries etc are disabled, if temporary. I'd have three toilets. General, disabled, selfish dipshits/terfs. So making an accomodation for someone is in someway terf behaviour Coming to the table with a balanced approach that most people would be okay with is terf behaviour? Nope. Didn't say that. By "selfish dipshit", I mean "someone who does not need the disabled toilets, who uses them because it's more convenient, thus potentially depriving someone who needs that limited resource". If you're saying that's acceptable, then we fundamentally disagree. What's "balanced" about not reserving disabled toilets for those whose bodies and abilities require that resource? But the only reason a person would be deprived would be to make accomodations for another group And as far as none disabled people using disabled toilets I agree it's wrong. " That's what I'm saying. Non-disabled people should not be using the disabled toilets. Non-disabled people using the disabled toilets are selfish dipshits. (Disability includes temporary disability) | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets No. They're special toilets built for people whose disabilities mean they need different facilities. Calling them "inclusive toilets" would mean that more selfish dipshits would use them, not less. And people who go through surgeries and more need different facilities I'd say either go to born sex toilets or make the 3rd an inclusive single toilet option People who have had surgeries etc are disabled, if temporary. I'd have three toilets. General, disabled, selfish dipshits/terfs. So making an accomodation for someone is in someway terf behaviour Coming to the table with a balanced approach that most people would be okay with is terf behaviour? Nope. Didn't say that. By "selfish dipshit", I mean "someone who does not need the disabled toilets, who uses them because it's more convenient, thus potentially depriving someone who needs that limited resource". If you're saying that's acceptable, then we fundamentally disagree. What's "balanced" about not reserving disabled toilets for those whose bodies and abilities require that resource? But the only reason a person would be deprived would be to make accomodations for another group And as far as none disabled people using disabled toilets I agree it's wrong. " Unless you're about to have an accident in your pants and it's the closest. | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets No. They're special toilets built for people whose disabilities mean they need different facilities. Calling them "inclusive toilets" would mean that more selfish dipshits would use them, not less. And people who go through surgeries and more need different facilities I'd say either go to born sex toilets or make the 3rd an inclusive single toilet option People who have had surgeries etc are disabled, if temporary. I'd have three toilets. General, disabled, selfish dipshits/terfs. So making an accomodation for someone is in someway terf behaviour Coming to the table with a balanced approach that most people would be okay with is terf behaviour? Nope. Didn't say that. By "selfish dipshit", I mean "someone who does not need the disabled toilets, who uses them because it's more convenient, thus potentially depriving someone who needs that limited resource". If you're saying that's acceptable, then we fundamentally disagree. What's "balanced" about not reserving disabled toilets for those whose bodies and abilities require that resource? But the only reason a person would be deprived would be to make accomodations for another group And as far as none disabled people using disabled toilets I agree it's wrong. Unless you're about to have an accident in your pants and it's the closest." Why is someone else's failure to plan a reason to deprive people of what they need? | |||
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"The general impression I get from these threads is that it always comes down to the visual characteristics of the trans person in question. If someone saw, let's say a person that looked more akin to some of the TS pornstars you see on the hub, entering a womans public toilet they'd be clueless that they were trans. They'd have no issue because they had no clue they were trans in the first place, hence wouldn't bat an eyelid. Or start a forum thread. The slightest hint that someone may have undergone a transition however and the rage kicks in. Seems to be more about visual perception and judgement than anything else to me......" Yes. Which is why I'd want any policing to be based on evidence of harm. Plenty of women grow facial hair. If I'm going through a period of depression and I let mine grow out (it happens), I grow a teeny tiny tash and beard (the kind a thirteen year old would be proud of) plus sideburns. (Normally I take care of that shit) When I put on weight (something that is correlated with my depression) and have short hair (something I might do if depressed, because it's easier to care for), people have called me "sir" when looking behind me. I can well imagine being harassed for being a man in the toilets, just because my depression has these physical manifestations. I've had ovarian surgery twice. I've even seen my ovaries in pictures (didn't want to, did). And yet. | |||
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"long-term’ negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities. Does being transgender not have an impact on normal daily activities As per societies opinions and beliefs as well as how one dresses/ presents themselves Creating long term negative effects for them " I believe the opposite. That living in accordance with your gender identity actually helps most people feel better, despite the existence of knuckle dragging bigots. But I don't have statistics immediately to hand. | |||
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"long-term’ negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities. Does being transgender not have an impact on normal daily activities As per societies opinions and beliefs as well as how one dresses/ presents themselves Creating long term negative effects for them I believe the opposite. That living in accordance with your gender identity actually helps most people feel better, despite the existence of knuckle dragging bigots. But I don't have statistics immediately to hand." What about the side effects and health issues that result from bottom surgery | |||
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"long-term’ negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities. Does being transgender not have an impact on normal daily activities As per societies opinions and beliefs as well as how one dresses/ presents themselves Creating long term negative effects for them I believe the opposite. That living in accordance with your gender identity actually helps most people feel better, despite the existence of knuckle dragging bigots. But I don't have statistics immediately to hand. What about the side effects and health issues that result from bottom surgery " Do they not impact normal daily activities | |||
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"long-term’ negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities. Does being transgender not have an impact on normal daily activities As per societies opinions and beliefs as well as how one dresses/ presents themselves Creating long term negative effects for them I believe the opposite. That living in accordance with your gender identity actually helps most people feel better, despite the existence of knuckle dragging bigots. But I don't have statistics immediately to hand. What about the side effects and health issues that result from bottom surgery " I said earlier that temporary disability counts. We can say that without making it specifically about trans people. If people have a temporary or permanent physical impairment that means they require those facilities, then they should go right ahead. (I'm not sure to what extent psychological impairments would count, but "being transgender" is not an impairment). Anyone using the disabled toilet or trying to prevent others from using public toilets because they think they know better what they need, can get in the sea. | |||
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"Trans people want to be able to go to the toilet and are met with signage that already make them question their own right to identify as they feel. And then here come people, making it harder by questioning their right to go to the toilet where they feel comfortable. It’s like. Fucking hell. People can we have some fucking care?" So as I said the inclusive third option allows them to use a unisex toilet currently ( disabled) where they would feel confirmed While not encroaching on others who don't feel comfortable with a trans individual not going into their assigned at birth toilets | |||
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"Trans people want to be able to go to the toilet and are met with signage that already make them question their own right to identify as they feel. And then here come people, making it harder by questioning their right to go to the toilet where they feel comfortable. It’s like. Fucking hell. People can we have some fucking care?" The media puts out outrage porn and people lap that shit right up. And it might feel nice to be For a Cause and Protecting the Children, all that really happens is that the media makes more money and some poor trans people who just want to take a piss get beaten up. | |||
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"Trans people want to be able to go to the toilet and are met with signage that already make them question their own right to identify as they feel. And then here come people, making it harder by questioning their right to go to the toilet where they feel comfortable. It’s like. Fucking hell. People can we have some fucking care? So as I said the inclusive third option allows them to use a unisex toilet currently ( disabled) where they would feel confirmed While not encroaching on others who don't feel comfortable with a trans individual not going into their assigned at birth toilets " If you can't tell someone is trans visually are you still bothered by them using a specific toilet? | |||
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"Trans people want to be able to go to the toilet and are met with signage that already make them question their own right to identify as they feel. And then here come people, making it harder by questioning their right to go to the toilet where they feel comfortable. It’s like. Fucking hell. People can we have some fucking care? So as I said the inclusive third option allows them to use a unisex toilet currently ( disabled) where they would feel confirmed While not encroaching on others who don't feel comfortable with a trans individual not going into their assigned at birth toilets " What if I don't feel comfortable having people in the toilet who care about what genitals I have in my pants or I had when I was born? I don't want them in my fucking toilet. That's gross. | |||
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"Trans people want to be able to go to the toilet and are met with signage that already make them question their own right to identify as they feel. And then here come people, making it harder by questioning their right to go to the toilet where they feel comfortable. It’s like. Fucking hell. People can we have some fucking care? So as I said the inclusive third option allows them to use a unisex toilet currently ( disabled) where they would feel confirmed While not encroaching on others who don't feel comfortable with a trans individual not going into their assigned at birth toilets What if I don't feel comfortable having people in the toilet who care about what genitals I have in my pants or I had when I was born? I don't want them in my fucking toilet. That's gross." So it's ok for you to demonise and force people out But not for others ? In addition how would you know they think that way | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers " A lot of women play football. It's reasonable for a woman to use toilets provided for women, even if someone thinks they look less usual to those who they normally encounter. It can take a lot of guts to go out in public, especially when there are people who may look suspiciously at you. | |||
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"I'm not bothered, but I would be bothered if my 14 year old was in there, except I would of gone in as well whereas the OP obviously couldn't. I'm assuming that is the OP's issue with this." | |||
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"Trans people want to be able to go to the toilet and are met with signage that already make them question their own right to identify as they feel. And then here come people, making it harder by questioning their right to go to the toilet where they feel comfortable. It’s like. Fucking hell. People can we have some fucking care? So as I said the inclusive third option allows them to use a unisex toilet currently ( disabled) where they would feel confirmed While not encroaching on others who don't feel comfortable with a trans individual not going into their assigned at birth toilets If you can't tell someone is trans visually are you still bothered by them using a specific toilet? " Elliot Page - Fine. Caitlin Jenner- Not fine. Ffs | |||
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"I'm not bothered, but I would be bothered if my 14 year old was in there, except I would of gone in as well whereas the OP obviously couldn't. I'm assuming that is the OP's issue with this." yes it was lady luck before all the educated ones piled in and pulled me to bits | |||
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"Trans people want to be able to go to the toilet and are met with signage that already make them question their own right to identify as they feel. And then here come people, making it harder by questioning their right to go to the toilet where they feel comfortable. It’s like. Fucking hell. People can we have some fucking care? So as I said the inclusive third option allows them to use a unisex toilet currently ( disabled) where they would feel confirmed While not encroaching on others who don't feel comfortable with a trans individual not going into their assigned at birth toilets What if I don't feel comfortable having people in the toilet who care about what genitals I have in my pants or I had when I was born? I don't want them in my fucking toilet. That's gross. So it's ok for you to demonise and force people out But not for others ? In addition how would you know they think that way " I want a certain thing. I'm not demanding anything happen. (I'm just showing what it would be like if the shoe would be on the other foot) Whereas the anti-trans lobby are demanding all sorts of things, up to and including genital inspections of children, to protect the children from perverts. (Who's going to take the job of a genital inspector for toilets, if not perverts?) And some are going out and beating people who don't present as the gender of the toilet they're in. | |||
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"Trans people want to be able to go to the toilet and are met with signage that already make them question their own right to identify as they feel. And then here come people, making it harder by questioning their right to go to the toilet where they feel comfortable. It’s like. Fucking hell. People can we have some fucking care? So as I said the inclusive third option allows them to use a unisex toilet currently ( disabled) where they would feel confirmed While not encroaching on others who don't feel comfortable with a trans individual not going into their assigned at birth toilets " Then every toilet should be unisex. Where that’s an option they may well use it. But they can also use the toilet of their gender. | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her Yes, bless her, making fun of people in public. Is that a behaviour you encourage? Because I would be embarrassed if my teenager behaved like a toddler in that manner." she didnt make a seen you questioning my paranting now ffs | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. " And some people are happy to throw disabled people under the bus by just making the problem of access to toilets even worse for them, because some people seem to be obsessed with other people's genitals. Just don't mess up the seat/floor and wash your hands. We're not even there yet, without worrying about genitals and chromosomes. | |||
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"so was out with my 14 year old daughter in a shopping in a outlet village we went for a toilet break and we saw the person go into the ladies is this right no offence meant " We know that needing the toilet is a must as a human. I think you're really asking if your daughter is safe when using them. Which is what I worry about with my 13 year old son using men's toilets. I have had conversations with my son about being safe while he is in there. Because bad things can and have happend in public toilets. I stand outside too. I tell him that if he's not out after a certain amount of time, I'm coming in!! It's not fair to essentially assume that trans women are going to cause harm, they aren't using Male toilets for the same reason I worry about my son using them. Anyone can cause harm but I think we are best off educating our children to learn how to protect themselves, than looking at one section of society and demonising them. | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her Yes, bless her, making fun of people in public. Is that a behaviour you encourage? Because I would be embarrassed if my teenager behaved like a toddler in that manner. she didnt make a seen you questioning my paranting now ffs " No. I'm saying that pointing and laughing at someone is behaviour I would be humiliated by if my child was older than about four. A teenager who did that might have perfect parents, but might have bad influences at school. They might be developmentally delayed. If my child did that and was not developmentally delayed, they'd probably next see their electronics in 2034. | |||
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"So why are toilets divided into mens and womans in the first place? If it's just people going about their toileting needs why the separation? And if there is separation, how do we police it. If it is harm based as suggested does that mean you can use whatever toilet you like so long as you commit no physical harm? So woman can use the mens and men can walk into the womans? So should all toilets be unisex then? Mrs x" Not everything that always existed is for reasons we view as valid today. In some of our lifetimes, women were not allowed to wear trousers to work, or take out a mortgage, or got the sack when they got married. I would make the toilets unisex and abolish urinals. And I'd keep allowing women to wear trousers and work while being married. | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. " If a trans man or trans woman needs the validation of a group that disagrees with them to feel like the the opposite gender Then how does gender affirming care affirm anything If the psychology still presents doubts Surely if someone believes it then it doesn't matter how anyone else acts or believes the majority of society agreed and understood a process surrounding single sex spaces For centuries You don't change to accommodate Instead you add to accommodate if needed and agreed upon eg disabled toilets | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. If a trans man or trans woman needs the validation of a group that disagrees with them to feel like the the opposite gender Then how does gender affirming care affirm anything If the psychology still presents doubts Surely if someone believes it then it doesn't matter how anyone else acts or believes the majority of society agreed and understood a process surrounding single sex spaces For centuries You don't change to accommodate Instead you add to accommodate if needed and agreed upon eg disabled toilets " Yes, I agree. For centuries we believed that the humours were the causes of disease. That if we just remove the spirit of wetness and warmness from bodies, that malaria would run away. That a woman needs the spirit of man inside her to get rid of her wandering womb. Oh wait that's been disproven and we've changed tacks? We now know about germs and we don't have to make women have sons to cure them of their hysteria? Oh. How about that. | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. If a trans man or trans woman needs the validation of a group that disagrees with them to feel like the the opposite gender Then how does gender affirming care affirm anything If the psychology still presents doubts Surely if someone believes it then it doesn't matter how anyone else acts or believes the majority of society agreed and understood a process surrounding single sex spaces For centuries You don't change to accommodate Instead you add to accommodate if needed and agreed upon eg disabled toilets " But if you can't tell if someone is trans or not simply by looking what do you suggest? Should they be 'checked' on entry to make sure they're using the right facilities? Or is it just the 'obviously trans' that are an issue? Still confused as to why urinals would be needed in a ladies toilet too. 🤔 | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. If a trans man or trans woman needs the validation of a group that disagrees with them to feel like the the opposite gender Then how does gender affirming care affirm anything If the psychology still presents doubts Surely if someone believes it then it doesn't matter how anyone else acts or believes the majority of society agreed and understood a process surrounding single sex spaces For centuries You don't change to accommodate Instead you add to accommodate if needed and agreed upon eg disabled toilets " If you believe trans women were women then this wouldn’t even be a discussion. Say - ‘I couldn’t let my child go to the ladies toilet there was a woman in there’ and tell me if you think it sounds reasonable? Forget all the stuff you’re saying here- it boils down to the fact people see trans women as men. That’s where we need to start. | |||
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"I'm not bothered, but I would be bothered if my 14 year old was in there, except I would of gone in as well whereas the OP obviously couldn't. I'm assuming that is the OP's issue with this. yes it was lady luck before all the educated ones piled in and pulled me to bits " It's not the "educated ones" that is the issue, it is ignorant people like you that causes problems. I am full time TS and my Drivers Licence says I am female. I use womens public loos all the time and I never have any problems. But I live in fear of people like you making an issue of it. You are the trouble maker. | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. If a trans man or trans woman needs the validation of a group that disagrees with them to feel like the the opposite gender Then how does gender affirming care affirm anything If the psychology still presents doubts Surely if someone believes it then it doesn't matter how anyone else acts or believes the majority of society agreed and understood a process surrounding single sex spaces For centuries You don't change to accommodate Instead you add to accommodate if needed and agreed upon eg disabled toilets " “You don’t change to accommodate “??? Fucking wow | |||
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"But there's a difference between finding a cure for small pox And a crossdresser wanting his cock out in a female space because whether emotionally or not he feels feminine " If anyone flashes their genitals in a toilet that's a problem. This is why we have cubicles. If they're not flashing, that's not a problem. I think discovering germ theory is a lot like progressing in our understanding of psychology. You're most welcome to believe in bad air or immorality* causing disease or not keep up with understanding of gender identity if it turns you on, but I think we should have public policy and public infrastructure based on evidence. In this case, what do we know about the formation of identity and the psychological benefits and damage of that, as well as what evidence of harm in public toilets is there, and how do we work to prevent that? * Miasma is a funny old word with a lot of definitions over the millennia. HMU for an ancient history lesson, I'm not doing this here. | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. If a trans man or trans woman needs the validation of a group that disagrees with them to feel like the the opposite gender Then how does gender affirming care affirm anything If the psychology still presents doubts Surely if someone believes it then it doesn't matter how anyone else acts or believes the majority of society agreed and understood a process surrounding single sex spaces For centuries You don't change to accommodate Instead you add to accommodate if needed and agreed upon eg disabled toilets If you believe trans women were women then this wouldn’t even be a discussion. Say - ‘I couldn’t let my child go to the ladies toilet there was a woman in there’ and tell me if you think it sounds reasonable? Forget all the stuff you’re saying here- it boils down to the fact people see trans women as men. That’s where we need to start. " Under the Equality Act, isn't gender a protected characteristic as soon as you believe you identify a certain gender. It requires no physical change, so what about in those circumstances? It's confusing at present for lots of people. Mrs x | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. If a trans man or trans woman needs the validation of a group that disagrees with them to feel like the the opposite gender Then how does gender affirming care affirm anything If the psychology still presents doubts Surely if someone believes it then it doesn't matter how anyone else acts or believes the majority of society agreed and understood a process surrounding single sex spaces For centuries You don't change to accommodate Instead you add to accommodate if needed and agreed upon eg disabled toilets If you believe trans women were women then this wouldn’t even be a discussion. Say - ‘I couldn’t let my child go to the ladies toilet there was a woman in there’ and tell me if you think it sounds reasonable? Forget all the stuff you’re saying here- it boils down to the fact people see trans women as men. That’s where we need to start. " Yes because some people look at the biological fact of the science That they were born male , are male But insist on an emotional and psychological belief that they are women and female And with regards to the intersex argument they are generally more one way or the other. Either by chromosomes or genitals etc So can more confidentiality placed in the category or their greater sex | |||
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"But are urinals more convenient for men who dont want to deficate, cost less than toilets, don't take up as much space, are more environmental friendly using less water, are quicker to use all that sort of thing. All these things will be a factor in their construction. The queues outside the ladies are bad enough already. Is this such a huge issue that it requires wholesale change of the countries toileting needs or is it more of a click bait thing to promote a certain type of journalism? Mrs x" So we're putting "convenient" above "giving a proportion of the population a safe place to pee without being beaten up"? Honestly, I'd rather see shit smeared on the walls of a public loo than that kind of disgusting attitude. | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. If a trans man or trans woman needs the validation of a group that disagrees with them to feel like the the opposite gender Then how does gender affirming care affirm anything If the psychology still presents doubts Surely if someone believes it then it doesn't matter how anyone else acts or believes the majority of society agreed and understood a process surrounding single sex spaces For centuries You don't change to accommodate Instead you add to accommodate if needed and agreed upon eg disabled toilets But if you can't tell if someone is trans or not simply by looking what do you suggest? Should they be 'checked' on entry to make sure they're using the right facilities? Or is it just the 'obviously trans' that are an issue? Still confused as to why urinals would be needed in a ladies toilet too. 🤔" Urinals wouldn't be needed in a ladies loo. Mrs x | |||
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"But there's a difference between finding a cure for small pox And a crossdresser wanting his cock out in a female space because whether emotionally or not he feels feminine If anyone flashes their genitals in a toilet that's a problem. This is why we have cubicles. If they're not flashing, that's not a problem. I think discovering germ theory is a lot like progressing in our understanding of psychology. You're most welcome to believe in bad air or immorality* causing disease or not keep up with understanding of gender identity if it turns you on, but I think we should have public policy and public infrastructure based on evidence. In this case, what do we know about the formation of identity and the psychological benefits and damage of that, as well as what evidence of harm in public toilets is there, and how do we work to prevent that? * Miasma is a funny old word with a lot of definitions over the millennia. HMU for an ancient history lesson, I'm not doing this here." So because you can't see it makes it ok? So someone you know is being punched in the face but you can't see it so it's ok | |||
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"But there's a difference between finding a cure for small pox And a crossdresser wanting his cock out in a female space because whether emotionally or not he feels feminine If anyone flashes their genitals in a toilet that's a problem. This is why we have cubicles. If they're not flashing, that's not a problem. I think discovering germ theory is a lot like progressing in our understanding of psychology. You're most welcome to believe in bad air or immorality* causing disease or not keep up with understanding of gender identity if it turns you on, but I think we should have public policy and public infrastructure based on evidence. In this case, what do we know about the formation of identity and the psychological benefits and damage of that, as well as what evidence of harm in public toilets is there, and how do we work to prevent that? * Miasma is a funny old word with a lot of definitions over the millennia. HMU for an ancient history lesson, I'm not doing this here. So because you can't see it makes it ok? So someone you know is being punched in the face but you can't see it so it's ok " No, not what I said. I'm looking for "evidence of harm". We have statistics. Crime surveys. Other sociological surveys. Let's take those, from any western country, and work out who is being harmed or alleging harm in public toilets. By harm I mean physical harm or the threat thereof, not "feeling scared because someone looked weird" (although I'd be open to a more scientific definition, criminology is only my second string academically). | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets " The "disabled" toilets are designed with more space, transfer bars and alarm pull cords to allow disabled people to use the toilet. They are not a generic gender neutral option because there is usually very few of them. In an ideal world, all toilets would be gender neutral, accessible, large enough for wheelchairs and equipped with the transfer bars and alarms. But they aren't. So no, please don't encourage people who don't need the accessible toilets to use them. Thank you. | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. I think that this is the crux of it. Whilst in a pub a few weeks back, this very conversation arose between a group of about 10 people, some friends, others friends of friends. Out of the group, a good few people not only saw trans women as men, but worse. They referred to them as “sicko perverts”. Maybe this is the real issue. A lot of people see the problems as case of perverted men dressed as women to gain access to a women only space. Until people accept that trans folk are who they identify as, this division will remain. I don’t think all people ever will personally. " I wonder if transmen are seen as "perverted sickos" trying to gain access to the gents urinals? And if not, I wonder why? | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets The "disabled" toilets are designed with more space, transfer bars and alarm pull cords to allow disabled people to use the toilet. They are not a generic gender neutral option because there is usually very few of them. In an ideal world, all toilets would be gender neutral, accessible, large enough for wheelchairs and equipped with the transfer bars and alarms. But they aren't. So no, please don't encourage people who don't need the accessible toilets to use them. Thank you. I love how "let's leave the disabled to have the facilities they need in peace" has been turned into "let's just dump the transeses there" Fuck me So put disabled cubicles in the sex based toilets and turn the disabled into a inclusive option " So you want to make disabled cubicles harder to integrate *and* tell more people to use them? Why? What good does this do? | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets The "disabled" toilets are designed with more space, transfer bars and alarm pull cords to allow disabled people to use the toilet. They are not a generic gender neutral option because there is usually very few of them. In an ideal world, all toilets would be gender neutral, accessible, large enough for wheelchairs and equipped with the transfer bars and alarms. But they aren't. So no, please don't encourage people who don't need the accessible toilets to use them. Thank you. I love how "let's leave the disabled to have the facilities they need in peace" has been turned into "let's just dump the transeses there" Fuck me So put disabled cubicles in the sex based toilets and turn the disabled into a inclusive option " There is rarely sufficient space in the gender segregated cubicle area for a properly accessible toilet. Where they currently exist, they are almost always too small and it's incredibly hard/impossible to open all the doors. Please try this from a manual wheelchair and get back to me on it. | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets The "disabled" toilets are designed with more space, transfer bars and alarm pull cords to allow disabled people to use the toilet. They are not a generic gender neutral option because there is usually very few of them. In an ideal world, all toilets would be gender neutral, accessible, large enough for wheelchairs and equipped with the transfer bars and alarms. But they aren't. So no, please don't encourage people who don't need the accessible toilets to use them. Thank you. I love how "let's leave the disabled to have the facilities they need in peace" has been turned into "let's just dump the transeses there" Fuck me So put disabled cubicles in the sex based toilets and turn the disabled into a inclusive option " You cannot do that, there's so much more to disabled loos than being in a cubicle. Access issues for one. | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets The "disabled" toilets are designed with more space, transfer bars and alarm pull cords to allow disabled people to use the toilet. They are not a generic gender neutral option because there is usually very few of them. In an ideal world, all toilets would be gender neutral, accessible, large enough for wheelchairs and equipped with the transfer bars and alarms. But they aren't. So no, please don't encourage people who don't need the accessible toilets to use them. Thank you. I love how "let's leave the disabled to have the facilities they need in peace" has been turned into "let's just dump the transeses there" Fuck me So put disabled cubicles in the sex based toilets and turn the disabled into a inclusive option So you want to make disabled cubicles harder to integrate *and* tell more people to use them? Why? What good does this do? It gives everyone their own space Means that only disabled people with the correct key can use those specific cubicles And give the LGBTQ+ community there own section There by being inclusive " "Inclusive" doesn't mean segregated. It doesn't mean "reducing the number of resources for people who need them". If people want to think about the genitals of other people and draw inference about who should be peeing where, then they're welcome to their fun little kink, but they should probably keep it to themselves. If anyone causes harm in toilets, they should be treated appropriately. But not based on the weird freakish kink of a tiny minority. | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. I think that this is the crux of it. Whilst in a pub a few weeks back, this very conversation arose between a group of about 10 people, some friends, others friends of friends. Out of the group, a good few people not only saw trans women as men, but worse. They referred to them as “sicko perverts”. Maybe this is the real issue. A lot of people see the problems as case of perverted men dressed as women to gain access to a women only space. Until people accept that trans folk are who they identify as, this division will remain. I don’t think all people ever will personally. I think we should treat it like people who still think that black people are an inferior species to white people. Into the sea with them "😂😂😂 there’s a very funny thing here. Throwing racists into the SEA. | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. I think that this is the crux of it. Whilst in a pub a few weeks back, this very conversation arose between a group of about 10 people, some friends, others friends of friends. Out of the group, a good few people not only saw trans women as men, but worse. They referred to them as “sicko perverts”. Maybe this is the real issue. A lot of people see the problems as case of perverted men dressed as women to gain access to a women only space. Until people accept that trans folk are who they identify as, this division will remain. I don’t think all people ever will personally. I think we should treat it like people who still think that black people are an inferior species to white people. Into the sea with them
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. I think that this is the crux of it. Whilst in a pub a few weeks back, this very conversation arose between a group of about 10 people, some friends, others friends of friends. Out of the group, a good few people not only saw trans women as men, but worse. They referred to them as “sicko perverts”. Maybe this is the real issue. A lot of people see the problems as case of perverted men dressed as women to gain access to a women only space. Until people accept that trans folk are who they identify as, this division will remain. I don’t think all people ever will personally. I think we should treat it like people who still think that black people are an inferior species to white people. Into the sea with them
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"kin hell I only asked if it was ok a bloke dressed as a woman went in female loo my daughter was using As long as you're framing a trans woman as "a bloke dressed as a woman" you're not engaging from a platform that's on the same level as those you're trying to discuss this with." As I've said before, I wonder what this would have been like if I was depressed going into the toilets. When I'm very overweight and have short hair, I can be mistaken for a man. Particularly when my facial hair is growing, which is a thing I let happen when I'm depressed. But it's acceptable to deprive me of a place to pee in exchange for... whatever the fuck they think the good of this is. I'm an acceptable victim. | |||
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"The issue here essentially boils down to , imo, that you guys don’t see trans women as women or as ‘trans women’ you see them as men. If a trans man or trans woman needs the validation of a group that disagrees with them to feel like the the opposite gender Then how does gender affirming care affirm anything If the psychology still presents doubts Surely if someone believes it then it doesn't matter how anyone else acts or believes the majority of society agreed and understood a process surrounding single sex spaces For centuries You don't change to accommodate Instead you add to accommodate if needed and agreed upon eg disabled toilets But if you can't tell if someone is trans or not simply by looking what do you suggest? Should they be 'checked' on entry to make sure they're using the right facilities? Or is it just the 'obviously trans' that are an issue? Still confused as to why urinals would be needed in a ladies toilet too. 🤔Urinals wouldn't be needed in a ladies loo. Mrs x" I know that. You know that. I think others do too, but I've not had an answer to any of my other questions, because maybe they don't have one. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Trans people want to be able to go to the toilet and are met with signage that already make them question their own right to identify as they feel. And then here come people, making it harder by questioning their right to go to the toilet where they feel comfortable. It’s like. Fucking hell. People can we have some fucking care? So as I said the inclusive third option allows them to use a unisex toilet currently ( disabled) where they would feel confirmed While not encroaching on others who don't feel comfortable with a trans individual not going into their assigned at birth toilets If you can't tell someone is trans visually are you still bothered by them using a specific toilet? " No, and I wouldn't be bothered if they didn't pass and were using the toilet according to their trans status. For me, a trans man is a man and a trans woman is a woman. | |||
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"Bugger off from the disabled access toilet unless you actually need it (and yes, not all disabilities are visible). I am a disability campaigner and I agree however ... Given the OP's casual Transphobia, and I'm being labelled a "pervert sicko", I am reassessing my safety. Am I not being "disabled" from using women's toilet in fear of being attacked. Would you rather I run that risk or use the safer disabled toilets?" I'm not you're any safer in a toilet that can be unlocked from the outside by anyone with a RADAR key, irrespective of whether you lift the handle inside to lock. I was made a lovely spectacle of last week at Euston station. Anyone can just come in. And they do because they don't check if its occupied first. You get an actual lock in the ladies. One that LOCKS. | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her So your daughter was not distressed and perfectly fine? So this is a total non story? "I went out and my daughter was rude, and nothing else happened. Culture war!" you make me laugh my daughter was rude my daughter is a beautiful gourgeos young lady whats wi you anyway you come across all educated high an mighty demanding statistics proof bla bla bla now your the expert in were your allowed to take a piss ffs all day on the forum you not got a job " Someone pointing and laughing at someone else is rude. I don't know why you're bringing things over from another thread, but yes, you make big claims, we need big evidence to substantiate it. I'm a company director. I'm not sure what it is to you. | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her So your daughter was not distressed and perfectly fine? So this is a total non story? "I went out and my daughter was rude, and nothing else happened. Culture war!" you make me laugh my daughter was rude my daughter is a beautiful gourgeos young lady whats wi you anyway you come across all educated high an mighty demanding statistics proof bla bla bla now your the expert in were your allowed to take a piss ffs all day on the forum you not got a job Mate, do yourself a favour and click the green arrow of some of these posters and read some of their other posts from other threads. You'll soon notice a pattern which will help you to realise that it's just not worth engaging with them "I like winding her up love ha ha weapon | |||
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"The general impression I get from these threads is that it always comes down to the visual characteristics of the trans person in question. If someone saw, let's say a person that looked more akin to some of the TS pornstars you see on the hub, entering a womans public toilet they'd be clueless that they were trans. They'd have no issue because they had no clue they were trans in the first place, hence wouldn't bat an eyelid. Or start a forum thread. The slightest hint that someone may have undergone a transition however and the rage kicks in. Seems to be more about visual perception and judgement than anything else to me...... Yes. Which is why I'd want any policing to be based on evidence of harm. Plenty of women grow facial hair. If I'm going through a period of depression and I let mine grow out (it happens), I grow a teeny tiny tash and beard (the kind a thirteen year old would be proud of) plus sideburns. (Normally I take care of that shit) When I put on weight (something that is correlated with my depression) and have short hair (something I might do if depressed, because it's easier to care for), people have called me "sir" when looking behind me. I can well imagine being harassed for being a man in the toilets, just because my depression has these physical manifestations. I've had ovarian surgery twice. I've even seen my ovaries in pictures (didn't want to, did). And yet." we need photograpic evidence and proof of the facial hair and tash and the sideburns to support your statements pmsl | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her So your daughter was not distressed and perfectly fine? So this is a total non story? "I went out and my daughter was rude, and nothing else happened. Culture war!" you make me laugh my daughter was rude my daughter is a beautiful gourgeos young lady whats wi you anyway you come across all educated high an mighty demanding statistics proof bla bla bla now your the expert in were your allowed to take a piss ffs all day on the forum you not got a job Someone pointing and laughing at someone else is rude. I don't know why you're bringing things over from another thread, but yes, you make big claims, we need big evidence to substantiate it. I'm a company director. I'm not sure what it is to you. bet your a barrel of laughs to work for Are you capable of engaging in argument without making it personal?Like making disparaging remarks about a person's education abilities without enquiring what their learning difficulties actual were or indeed doing so without enquiring if they had any learning difficulties. Is that what you mean? Mrs x " In this thread? I don't think I have. I've said that a fourteen year old should know better than to point and laugh at people, and that it's unacceptable behaviour. I made an accommodation that a person with developmental difficulties might struggle in this arena. I'm empathetic towards anyone who has to struggle with that, both with the disorder and otherwise. I do believe we're discouraged from bringing drama from other threads. | |||
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"Trans people want to be able to go to the toilet and are met with signage that already make them question their own right to identify as they feel. And then here come people, making it harder by questioning their right to go to the toilet where they feel comfortable. It’s like. Fucking hell. People can we have some fucking care? So as I said the inclusive third option allows them to use a unisex toilet currently ( disabled) where they would feel confirmed While not encroaching on others who don't feel comfortable with a trans individual not going into their assigned at birth toilets If you can't tell someone is trans visually are you still bothered by them using a specific toilet? No, and I wouldn't be bothered if they didn't pass and were using the toilet according to their trans status. For me, a trans man is a man and a trans woman is a woman. " Hallelujah   common sense prevails. 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️ | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her So your daughter was not distressed and perfectly fine? So this is a total non story? "I went out and my daughter was rude, and nothing else happened. Culture war!" you make me laugh my daughter was rude my daughter is a beautiful gourgeos young lady whats wi you anyway you come across all educated high an mighty demanding statistics proof bla bla bla now your the expert in were your allowed to take a piss ffs all day on the forum you not got a job Someone pointing and laughing at someone else is rude. I don't know why you're bringing things over from another thread, but yes, you make big claims, we need big evidence to substantiate it. I'm a company director. I'm not sure what it is to you. bet your a barrel of laughs to work for Are you capable of engaging in argument without making it personal? Like you did by having a personal pop at his daughter?? " The concept of maintaining a young girl's safety is often lost on those who "think differently" when it comes to the trans issue. | |||
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"*I'm not SURE if you're any safer....." Accidental incursion is common. My ex was a PA to a disabled person, so I know this happens but ... ... Transphobes with RADAR keys seeking out trans women in fear of being lynched in the ladies loo? Now that's dedication to their hate... Cause a riot or two?   | |||
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"Do people have gender specific loos at home they make visitors use? 🤔 No, but we don't all gather in there at the same time as the visitors. Exactly public Vs private aren't the same And the disabled toilets are a gender neutral option. If I were in charge of culture wars, "people who use the disabled loos when they're not disabled" would be tarred and feathered. Then change the name to inclusive toilets The "disabled" toilets are designed with more space, transfer bars and alarm pull cords to allow disabled people to use the toilet. They are not a generic gender neutral option because there is usually very few of them. In an ideal world, all toilets would be gender neutral, accessible, large enough for wheelchairs and equipped with the transfer bars and alarms. But they aren't. So no, please don't encourage people who don't need the accessible toilets to use them. Thank you. I love how "let's leave the disabled to have the facilities they need in peace" has been turned into "let's just dump the transeses there" Fuck me So put disabled cubicles in the sex based toilets and turn the disabled into a inclusive option So you want to make disabled cubicles harder to integrate *and* tell more people to use them? Why? What good does this do? It gives everyone their own space Means that only disabled people with the correct key can use those specific cubicles And give the LGBTQ+ community there own section There by being inclusive Oh yes, we did something like this in South Africa. We had special toilets for White People, and special toilets for Non-white People. Everyone had their own facilities. Separate but equal. Everyone was catered for because it kept culturally distinct groups apart. We called it Apartheid. I'm not sure why people seemed to have a problem with it.
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? Yes but there's a distinct difference between a muscly woman and a crossdresser man Is there really? And even if there were, why am I supposed to care that men (or people that other people claim are men) are using women's toilets? Because I don't care." And yet here you are caring like a care bear | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? Yes but there's a distinct difference between a muscly woman and a crossdresser man Is there really? And even if there were, why am I supposed to care that men (or people that other people claim are men) are using women's toilets? Because I don't care. And yet here you are caring like a care bear" I care about real harm. People who are beaten up for trying to use the toilet, because people believe they're trans. People trying to reduce access to disabled spaces because they don't like who they think is in the cubicle next to them. The rise (in GENERAL CULTURE) of fascistic language and even claims some have taken as Holocaust revisionism due to a fanatical obsession with who's pissing nearby. I care a lot about that. | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? it was defo a mans body the midnight shadow and Apple gave it away I was more concerned about my daughter tbf mind she just laughed and pointed the person out bless her So your daughter was not distressed and perfectly fine? So this is a total non story? "I went out and my daughter was rude, and nothing else happened. Culture war!" you make me laugh my daughter was rude my daughter is a beautiful gourgeos young lady whats wi you anyway you come across all educated high an mighty demanding statistics proof bla bla bla now your the expert in were your allowed to take a piss ffs all day on the forum you not got a job Someone pointing and laughing at someone else is rude. I don't know why you're bringing things over from another thread, but yes, you make big claims, we need big evidence to substantiate it. I'm a company director. I'm not sure what it is to you. bet your a barrel of laughs to work for Are you capable of engaging in argument without making it personal? Like you did by having a personal pop at his daughter?? I said she was rude. Objectively true. Everyone pointing and laughing at anyone in public, except comedy performers, is being rude. Go on. Defend why it's acceptable for anyone other than a toddler to point and laugh at a stranger in public. You're having a pop at a 14 year old minor and you called her a toddler, if you think that's any better then you're delusional, at least she's only 14 and not a grown adult! Respectfully, you've misread. I said that pointing and laughing was acceptable behaviour *if* she were a toddler. As she is not a toddler, I would expect her to know better, which is why I would be embarrassed. A fourteen year old who points and laughs at a stranger in public is rude. A toddler who does it needs to learn. It's why I'm harder on a teenager who does it, than a small child. They have impulse control. No, you said, and I quote from above: "Yes, bless her, making fun of people in public. Is that a behaviour you encourage? Because I would be embarrassed if my teenager behaved like a toddler in that manner. So you stated that his teenage daughter behaved like a toddler! Not nice to have a go at minors!! " very isensitive indeed thanks for providing the evidence and proof in that statement that she is very insistent on what a weapon | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? Yes but there's a distinct difference between a muscly woman and a crossdresser man Is there really? And even if there were, why am I supposed to care that men (or people that other people claim are men) are using women's toilets? Because I don't care. And yet here you are caring like a care bear I care about real harm. People who are beaten up for trying to use the toilet, because people believe they're trans. People trying to reduce access to disabled spaces because they don't like who they think is in the cubicle next to them. The rise (in GENERAL CULTURE) of fascistic language and even claims some have taken as Holocaust revisionism due to a fanatical obsession with who's pissing nearby. I care a lot about that. " Nonsense. If you actually cared about "real harm" then you would care about the possibility of young girls being sexually assaulted by autogynephiles behind closed doors. | |||
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"I use the ladies bathrooms and have done since like 2010 , all over the world .. Though I find it helps if you actually look like the gender somewhat .. Unfortunately transition is not always equal visually and for some it’s much harder to go about your business if you look non conforming/ out of sync etc I'd say there's a section of crossdressers in society who refer to themselves as trans they them looked like a male in a skirt and tights those legs were like footballers Do you know that there isn't a penis lock on weights in gyms? That women can build muscle too? And that some women just naturally have big legs? Yes but there's a distinct difference between a muscly woman and a crossdresser man Is there really? And even if there were, why am I supposed to care that men (or people that other people claim are men) are using women's toilets? Because I don't care. And yet here you are caring like a care bear I care about real harm. People who are beaten up for trying to use the toilet, because people believe they're trans. People trying to reduce access to disabled spaces because they don't like who they think is in the cubicle next to them. The rise (in GENERAL CULTURE) of fascistic language and even claims some have taken as Holocaust revisionism due to a fanatical obsession with who's pissing nearby. I care a lot about that. Nonsense. If you actually cared about "real harm" then you would care about the possibility of young girls being sexually assaulted by autogynephiles behind closed doors." A possibility isn't a real harm. It's "possible". I care about stuff that we know actually happens. I live in reality, with real information about real things. Sorry not sorry. | |||
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