FabSwingers.com forum: Lady Thatchers Funeral

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Wonder how true this, according to 1 newspaper today MPs can claim up to £3750.00 for attending, they can use the cash to return from holiday, even first class, one wonders if there is any truth or just more shit stirring

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By *ondonpride69Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

If i was on holiday and i could claim money back i would...... That sum would mean another whole night in my favourite hotel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wouldn't surprise me at all if it was true, 8m for the funeral itself is bad enough anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they can claim up to that in travel expenses if they are abroad although I'm not sure if that's for the funeral or the parliament recall

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no doubt TRUE. Parliment offically on break but have been recalled due to Maggie. if they had paid a business class return and had to cut short their break they will get this recompense.

Still sickening however. Once again reminded im a lowly pleb

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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago

warrington

"wouldn't surprise me at all if it was true, 8m for the funeral itself is bad enough anyway."
. Would have expected her to have some sort of life cover then she can pay for her own funeral like most folk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wouldn't surprise me at all if it was true, 8m for the funeral itself is bad enough anyway.. Would have expected her to have some sort of life cover then she can pay for her own funeral like most folk.

Reckon they will need more than 8 million foe policing alone!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

good point

worst thing is, turns out one of my best friends is a Thatcher apologist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose they could have put the money into local communities. It's what she would have wanted.

Oh no,hang on! It isn't.

er..Carry on

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By *hoosy_strumpetCouple
over a year ago

W S AREA

"I suppose they could have put the money into local communities. It's what she would have wanted.

Oh no,hang on! It isn't.

er..Carry on"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have deliberately avoided all news programmes since Monday but will assume that, barring any recent improvements in medical science, she is still dead ?

Get her buried, by whatever means, and let's look at addressing todays issues irregardless of who we blame for putting us here.

The cost of a state funeral is minimal in terms of what we face as an economy.

That said, it is not a small amount of money and those who disagree with the spending will have the chance to voice their opinion on such governmental / state decisions at the next General Election.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have deliberately avoided all news programmes since Monday but will assume that, barring any recent improvements in medical science, she is still dead ?

Get her buried, by whatever means, and let's look at addressing todays issues irregardless of who we blame for putting us here.

The cost of a state funeral is minimal in terms of what we face as an economy.

That said, it is not a small amount of money and those who disagree with the spending will have the chance to voice their opinion on such governmental / state decisions at the next General Election."

Thats a very rational and well thought out post. You do know this is the internet don't you?? Please start foaming at the keyboard immediately.

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

the house of commons has been going

a hell of a long time.

and shes the only lady to make the top job ,least she could get is a state send off;in time to come this will be

one of our most shamefull hours.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Wonder how true this, according to 1 newspaper today MPs can claim up to £3750.00 for attending, they can use the cash to return from holiday, even first class, one wonders if there is any truth or just more shit stirring"

up to a point....

if parliament is recalled... such as today, they can claim up to 3750 pounds for expenses that they would have to accrew.. so if they were away on holiday when the recall happened they can claim back those travel expenses

so they can claim back any expenses occured for today... but parliament is actually back on monday anyway... so they can't claim for the funeral itself....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the house of commons has been going

a hell of a long time.

and shes the only lady to make the top job ,least she could get is a state send off;in time to come this will be

one of our most shamefull hours."

I couldn't agree more. People arguing about how a 87y/o woman is buried is beyond petty. Are we that poor as a country that we can't give one of our leaders a decent funeral if just to say goodbye regardless of how we all feel/don't feel about her.

One MP has said he won't be attending the commons today as he'd choke listening to all the eulogies about her. I hope he won't be claiming his £3,000 too.

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By *ecky-booTV/TS
over a year ago

worthing

Hate is always a belittling emotion wherever you find it... we should bury her ceremonially and with dignity because that is what we do and who we are. Any other feelings should remain private next week and we will all be bigger for it.... god knows shes been talked about enough !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well if ye would like to save yer government a coffers then i suggest that ye just buy about a thousand shovels, between yer own northerners and our northerners and the Scots i am sure that ye fill find enough men to dig a hold deep enough that she can be personally handed over to Satan

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By *nfieldishCouple
over a year ago

Enfield

"Hate is always a belittling emotion wherever you find it... we should bury her ceremonially and with dignity because that is what we do and who we are. Any other feelings should remain private next week and we will all be bigger for it.... god knows shes been talked about enough !"

Nice one....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

another wast of tax payers money 8/10 millon on a ded person what about looking after our troops and makeing shure they have the right kit and are looked after when they get back of tour hurt and in need of money to lead a normal life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well if ye would like to save yer government a coffers then i suggest that ye just buy about a thousand shovels, between yer own northerners and our northerners and the Scots i am sure that ye fill find enough men to dig a hold deep enough that she can be personally handed over to Satan"

You are 35 years old and have absolutely no idea what it was like under Thatcher yet you speak with such venom. That's indoctrination at work, and typified by the so called 'working class' who feel that they should have continued to have been paid by the taxpayer to remain in jobs that were clearly unsustainable.

I've listened to many phone-ins on the radio the past couple of days and the anti-Thatcherites have all come across as ignorant uneducated fools who had nothing constructive to say and blethered on about decimated communities yet those towns/villages are still there, with people still in them, 30 years on.

I've not heard a single constructive articulate well-thought out criticism of Mrs Thatcher at all that didn't include the word 'evil'. She wasn't evil. Hitler was evil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"another wast of tax payers money 8/10 millon on a ded person what about looking after our troops and makeing shure they have the right kit and are looked after when they get back of tour hurt and in need of money to lead a normal life

My brother-in-law was out in Afghanistan and Iraq (and Kuwait & NI before that) and he assures me that they had all the kit they needed to get the job done. They certainly didn't need a mobile McDonald's like the Americans had.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

In my career, I was asked to return from leave for an urgent briefing... the company paid the flight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

where is the venom in my speech, seriously i had no venom in it, i was merely stating the fact that ppl in northern Ireland, northern England and Scotland had very little niceties to say about the woman. She seemed to have hurt a lot of them at crucial points in their economic lives. If someone reads what is written instead of reads what they think is written we might even be able to have an adult conversation

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over a year ago

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Everything Thatcher stood for was abhorrent to me.

However, I must admit to feeling saddened at the vitriol and glee displayed at her death. As human beings, how have we managed to sink so low that we rejoice at someone's death?

If there was a natural disaster anywhere in the world, even affecting people that hate us as a nation, the government would send millions in aid, yet we begrudge spending, what in effect is small change, on giving a former prime minister a send off: one she didn't seek by the way!

Shame on some of you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an ex serviceman with multiple tours of Afghanistan, Iraq and several African countries and also being injured in the line of duty I can tell you that our kit is first class and the care given to wounded personnel is exceptional (both as an inpatient and outpatient).

Oddly it started to get good around the time of the Falklands conflict...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"where is the venom in my speech, seriously i had no venom in it, i was merely stating the fact that ppl in northern Ireland, northern England and Scotland had very little niceties to say about the woman. She seemed to have hurt a lot of them at crucial points in their economic lives. If someone reads what is written instead of reads what they think is written we might even be able to have an adult conversation"

I read your message and thought the same as Wishy.

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By *ethany10Couple
over a year ago

falkirk

I read your message and thought the same as Wishy.

Absolutely agree with Wishy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Note to self after the past 3 days worth of threads, do not log in on nextWednesday, I hope Admin/Mods are going to contain what will be a repeat of the last few days...

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By *arnsleycpl4uCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I am no lover of thatcher....

but if you want a very pragmatic way of looking at it...

that "EU Rebate" that she fought for and managed to negiotate with the European Union... that has benefited the the UK to the tune of approx 75 BILLION pounds.....

kind of makes the 8/10 mil look very small fry...

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By *arnsleycpl4uCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

Too true

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By *orflondonerMan
over a year ago

Wood Green

I am no lover of thatcher....

but if you want a very pragmatic way of looking at it...

that "EU Rebate" that she fought for and managed to negiotate with the European Union... that has benefited the the UK to the tune of approx 75 BILLION pounds.....

kind of makes the 8/10 mil look very small fry..."

I'll agree with that.Again, i am not her biggest fan

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Stated on the news this morning about why the country was paying for such a lavish funeral,that Lady Thatcher's clawback from the EU that she started when she was in power has saved this country approx 75 BILLION..... surely a tidy funeral is the least this country can do just for that reason alone?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Oh, I didnt see that post that laid it out before lol!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I am no lover of thatcher....

but if you want a very pragmatic way of looking at it...

that "EU Rebate" that she fought for and managed to negiotate with the European Union... that has benefited the the UK to the tune of approx 75 BILLION pounds.....

kind of makes the 8/10 mil look very small fry..."

That's the William Hague argument. A bit rich from a leading member of the party which dumped her.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now"

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of fish, and ignorance of the past causes problems in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently many are raking through the internet searching for ways to disrupt the ceremony.

That's the problem with people today. Too fucking lazy to think up their own ideas

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of fish, .............."

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Troops these day have better kit than ever before, yes I'm an x forces with still a great deal of contacts serving, and I will with great pride stand tall and say a Little pray for Lady Thatcher and yes I'm also from the North East and feel sick of some of the comments made in the media from ppl up here

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By *encarolCouple
over a year ago

Tyneside

No its true , its been on the news tonight , its a bloody disgrace

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Apparently many are raking through the internet searching for ways to disrupt the ceremony.

That's the problem with people today. Too fucking lazy to think up their own ideas"
if only they put so much effort into finding work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Troops these day have better kit than ever before, yes I'm an x forces with still a great deal of contacts serving, and I will with great pride stand tall and say a Little pray for Lady Thatcher and yes I'm also from the North East and feel sick of some of the comments made in the media from ppl up here "

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"No its true , its been on the news tonight , its a bloody disgrace

so if you were on your holidays and your employer asked you to come back to attend a function, you would pay your own fare.

what a role model employee

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"No its true , its been on the news tonight , its a bloody disgrace

so if you were on your holidays and your employer asked you to come back to attend a function, you would pay your own fare.

what a role model employee

Attendance in the Commons this afternoon wasn't compulsory.

Just as an aside. MPs aren't employed by their party or the House.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No its true , its been on the news tonight , its a bloody disgrace

so if you were on your holidays and your employer asked you to come back to attend a function, you would pay your own fare.

what a role model employee

"
could they not just use easy jet

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"No its true , its been on the news tonight , its a bloody disgrace

so if you were on your holidays and your employer asked you to come back to attend a function, you would pay your own fare.

what a role model employee

Attendance in the Commons this afternoon wasn't compulsory.

Just as an aside. MPs aren't employed by their party or the House."

thats why I said asked, not instructed

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"No its true , its been on the news tonight , its a bloody disgrace

so if you were on your holidays and your employer asked you to come back to attend a function, you would pay your own fare.

what a role model employee

could they not just use easy jet "

do we know they didn't

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Apparently many are raking through the internet searching for ways to disrupt the ceremony.

That's the problem with people today. Too fucking lazy to think up their own ideas if only they put so much effort into finding work"

Comments like this is why it ends up a free for all on here.

How do you know that these people are working or not?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

You are 35 years old and have absolutely no idea what it was like under Thatcher , ."

You don't have to have lived in that era to not be affected by it or know someone who was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are 35 years old and have absolutely no idea what it was like under Thatcher , .

You don't have to have lived in that era to not be affected by it or know someone who was."

Thought that too. He would be 8 in 1979 so her governship affected his schooling employment housing et al. An unusual blip from wishy. However just of wishys remark bang on

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

PS.

I don't care how much money has been raked in from the EU, 8 million is too much for a funeral for an ex PM who is very much like marmite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

information re: shortages of kit

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3309611.stm

Having no love or hate for the woman it has to be said that few have induced the reaction her death has, somewhere in the middle lies the truth...and yes, I was around during her time, I saw what went on and experienced the impacts but it is past now, we have moved on and there is much to worry about other than the burial of an old woman. Though have to say I can understand why some are upset at the huge amount of money being spent on the funeral irrespective of the EU savings....she was after all doing her job no more and no less. I also think the media must take its responsibilty in any demonstration/protest action as all they have done is stir up feelings and pick the scabs off of old woulds in many of their evocative reports on her time in office. She did make some good decisions yes but the fact she has died does not negate the bad/unpopular ones and I guess it depends on the overall effect on you and your family at the time as to how it will affect feelings on the matter. This is not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone here but simply yet another opinion.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Note to self after the past 3 days worth of threads, do not log in on nextWednesday, I hope Admin/Mods are going to contain what will be a repeat of the last few days..."

For sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm 32 and originally from the north of Ireland. I remember first hand what that witch did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of fish, ..............

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human."
is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ooops wounds obviously lol ...

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

"Note to self after the past 3 days worth of threads, do not log in on nextWednesday, I hope Admin/Mods are going to contain what will be a repeat of the last few days...

For sure.

Thats your shift isnt it?? I checked the rota....

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By *arnsleycpl4uCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

What about king and queen's from the past they did a lot worst too us think about it/ let just leave it at that she gone ? If any of you guys went to the promise land who would care just family so if they want too do stuff for her let it be you would be the same

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Note to self after the past 3 days worth of threads, do not log in on nextWednesday, I hope Admin/Mods are going to contain what will be a repeat of the last few days...

For sure.

Thats your shift isnt it?? I checked the rota...."

I think it is Admins shift...I am sure I am washing my hair that day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"information re: shortages of kit

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3309611.stm

A report from 2003 is hardly relevant and it was a very short term delay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am surprised to see the queen and the duke of Edinburgh attend as traditionally they don't attend former pm funerals. The exception being Churchill. Think the reason she chose to attend as no matter the politics she was the first female prime minister. That or she is trying to keep up the momentum after the jubilee and winning a bafta for best bond girl!

Can't wait for Philips inevitable faux pas!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In fact the whole ceremonial side of things will bring a lot of tourists in

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

"I'm 32 and originally from the north of Ireland. I remember first hand what that witch did. "
what did she do? tell us all about it.

and don't say the leki was cut off like one numpty on talk sport cos that was in heaths tenure;

and tell us blair did a great job

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of fish, ..............

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human. is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her "

But we are not burying them are we so that's another irrelevant unpleasant point dealt with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of fish, ..............

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human. is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her

But we are not burying them are we so that's another irrelevant unpleasant point dealt with"

as is the original point about her being a parent. its that i was referring to.

are only pleasant points valid?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oddly it started to get good around the time of the Falklands conflict..."

Was in response to this ....you mentioned Iraq, you mentioned first class kit ...apologies for offering another _iewpoint.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think she did a lot more for this country than some other people who have had a state/ceremonial funeral.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oddly it started to get good around the time of the Falklands conflict...

Was in response to this ....you mentioned Iraq, you mentioned first class kit ...apologies for offering another _iewpoint. "

But 2003 had nothing to do with a conservative government or Mrs T. Besides it was a short term logistical glitch that was rectified very quickly. Many troops (myself included) were unaffected...

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By *arnsleycpl4uCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

Too true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human. is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her

But we are not burying them are we so that's another irrelevant unpleasant point dealt with

as is the original point about her being a parent. its that i was referring to.

are only pleasant points valid?"

It's her funeral not anyone else's, any respect due is for her alone, I wonder if people made comments about relatives when Churchill was buried

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm still wondering why scargil hasn't made any statements, I can't imagine his silence is out of respect

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"PS.

I don't care how much money has been raked in from the EU, 8 million is too much for a funeral for an ex PM who is very much like marmite.

I would make the arguement that except for wartime prime ministers.... all PM's are going to be very much like marmite ....

so maybe the question should be do we give ANY PM this type of funeral......

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I'm still wondering why scargil hasn't made any statements, I can't imagine his silence is out of respect

Maybe he's from the "if you haven't got anything nice to say..." school?!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human. is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her

But we are not burying them are we so that's another irrelevant unpleasant point dealt with

as is the original point about her being a parent. its that i was referring to.

are only pleasant points valid?

It's her funeral not anyone else's, any respect due is for her alone, I wonder if people made comments about relatives when Churchill was buried"

or disrespect. the fscy the was a parent isn't important.

Josef Stalin was a parent. So was Ghenghis Khan. its a bogus point to say oh she was someone mother. its immaterial

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Under Callaghan this country had power cuts on a regular basis because of union strike action. 29million working days were lost the year before Thatcher won in 79. When she left office in 1990 only 1.9million working days were lost to strike action.

Under Callaghan you could leave the country if you wanted to but you could only take £50 in currency with you. Thatcher scrapped that silliness opening up London to the world financial markets and it is now one of the top three financial powerhouses in the world.

Under Callaghan you could only get a loan if you had 1/3 of the amount you needed. If you wanted £3,000 you had to already have £1,000. Thatcher scrapped that nonsense too which permitted millions of people to buy their own homes and for banks to sell mortgage products.

Ok, the poll tax was a disaster and that allowed her own party to knife her in the back, and yes some towns suffered when the unprofitable mines and industries were closed but was it wise to rely on a single main employer for a whole community in the first place and does anyone really believe that having their son leave school and go straight into the mines where he'd have a lifetime of dust and dirt in his lungs only to die at 50 of lung disease? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy let alone my own child!

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over a year ago

You want a row go elsewhere ....i responded to your post and the content of that ...you dont like my response that is cool ....more power to you ....ok

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over a year ago

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But 2003 had nothing to do with a conservative government or Mrs T. Besides it was a short term logistical glitch that was rectified very quickly. Many troops (myself included) were unaffected..."

To be fair, neither does the comment that started the posts.

It was the bove of why not spend the money on other things.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

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"I'm still wondering why scargil hasn't made any statements, I can't imagine his silence is out of respect

I am guessing he doesn't want people raking thru the actions during the period of the miners strike... because to be honest.. his actions and decision weren't that much better than hers....

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human. is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her

But we are not burying them are we so that's another irrelevant unpleasant point dealt with

as is the original point about her being a parent. its that i was referring to.

are only pleasant points valid?

It's her funeral not anyone else's, any respect due is for her alone, I wonder if people made comments about relatives when Churchill was buried

or disrespect. the fscy the was a parent isn't important.

Josef Stalin was a parent. So was Ghenghis Khan. its a bogus point to say oh she was someone mother. its immaterial "

A parent! Genghis khan fathered the entire Mongol race! Wonder if they had fab back then

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over a year ago

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human. is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her

But we are not burying them are we so that's another irrelevant unpleasant point dealt with

as is the original point about her being a parent. its that i was referring to.

are only pleasant points valid?

It's her funeral not anyone else's, any respect due is for her alone, I wonder if people made comments about relatives when Churchill was buried

or disrespect. the fscy the was a parent isn't important.

Josef Stalin was a parent. So was Ghenghis Khan. its a bogus point to say oh she was someone mother. its immaterial "

How can you draw a comparison between Mrs T and Joseph Stalin?

It's utterly ridiculous to even try...

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over a year ago

"I'm still wondering why scargil hasn't made any statements, I can't imagine his silence is out of respect

I am guessing he doesn't want people raking thru the actions during the period of the miners strike... because to be honest.. his actions and decision weren't that much better than hers...."

Yes, like the poor cabbie who died when a concrete slab was thrown through his windscreen as he drove a strikebreaker to work. I remember that like it was yesterday.

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over a year ago

I'm actually partly named after this lady. I have her name as my middle name.

I think wishy sums things up nicely.

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over a year ago

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so maybe the question should be do we give ANY PM this type of funeral......"

This

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"I'm still wondering why scargil hasn't made any statements, I can't imagine his silence is out of respect

Maybe he's from the "if you haven't got anything nice to say..." school?!! "

Lol Arthur scargil didn't ever have anything nice to say about the woman

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over a year ago

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human. is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her

But we are not burying them are we so that's another irrelevant unpleasant point dealt with

as is the original point about her being a parent. its that i was referring to.

are only pleasant points valid?

It's her funeral not anyone else's, any respect due is for her alone, I wonder if people made comments about relatives when Churchill was buried

or disrespect. the fscy the was a parent isn't important.

Josef Stalin was a parent. So was Ghenghis Khan. its a bogus point to say oh she was someone mother. its immaterial

How can you draw a comparison between Mrs T and Joseph Stalin?

It's utterly ridiculous to even try...

i'm not attempting to. the point is that neither will be judged on their parenting skills.

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over a year ago

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Is this really going to end up another party political broadcast on behalf of the conservative party as it is looking that way again.

Let's stick to the questions asked rather than what has been done thousands of times or it will end up going like the other threads and will have to be shut

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

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"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human. is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her

But we are not burying them are we so that's another irrelevant unpleasant point dealt with

as is the original point about her being a parent. its that i was referring to.

are only pleasant points valid?

It's her funeral not anyone else's, any respect due is for her alone, I wonder if people made comments about relatives when Churchill was buried

or disrespect. the fscy the was a parent isn't important.

Josef Stalin was a parent. So was Ghenghis Khan. its a bogus point to say oh she was someone mother. its immaterial

How can you draw a comparison between Mrs T and Joseph Stalin?

It's utterly ridiculous to even try...

It depends on your point of _iew.

Saying someone is a parent by way of allaying criticism is daft!

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over a year ago

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"I'm still wondering why scargil hasn't made any statements, I can't imagine his silence is out of respect

Maybe he's from the "if you haven't got anything nice to say..." school?!!

Lol Arthur scargil didn't ever have anything nice to say about the woman "

...when she was alive to bite back!

Good on him for not joining in with the vitriol.

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over a year ago

"I'm still wondering why scargil hasn't made any statements, I can't imagine his silence is out of respect

I am guessing he doesn't want people raking thru the actions during the period of the miners strike... because to be honest.. his actions and decision weren't that much better than hers...."

I think your right there

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over a year ago

"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human. is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her

But we are not burying them are we so that's another irrelevant unpleasant point dealt with

as is the original point about her being a parent. its that i was referring to.

are only pleasant points valid?

It's her funeral not anyone else's, any respect due is for her alone, I wonder if people made comments about relatives when Churchill was buried

or disrespect. the fscy the was a parent isn't important.

Josef Stalin was a parent. So was Ghenghis Khan. its a bogus point to say oh she was someone mother. its immaterial

How can you draw a comparison between Mrs T and Joseph Stalin?

It's utterly ridiculous to even try...

It depends on your point of _iew.

Saying someone is a parent by way of allaying criticism is daft!

No its not dependant on any point of _iew, there is no comparison to be drawn between the two.

For starters he was a dictator and she was duly elected by the voting public 3 times. I also don't think she was responsible for purges and mass executions of over 20 million people either...

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over a year ago

Government will not publish cost to taxpayer of funeral till after event i truly believe this will cause ructions.

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over a year ago

Anyhoo...the issue is should mps collect 3.5k for returning to work early. Maggie is not really the issue at all its the old expenses claims fiasco

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over a year ago

I don't think it applies to the funeral, as far as I know, it was the max that could be claimed for returning to Parliament *today*, early from recess, for the tribute to MT...

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

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I've not heard a single constructive articulate well-thought out criticism of Mrs Thatcher at all that didn't include the word 'evil'. She wasn't evil. Hitler was evil."

Do you have to be over a certain age to be allowed a _iew on Thatcher?.

Ill give you that the unions had got far too powerful and needed to be brought back under control. And that there were some national industries that needed to be become more efficent.

But she was also very lucky that she had the income from the north sea oil to soften the economic burden of cutting taxes and reducing the national deficit. The country now has nothing to show from the selling off of the likes of BT, British Gas etc. She could have used the money to build new hospitals, schools and other capital projects, but it was used to cut income taxes for the richest.

Prehaps you remember the time when Thatcher cut the link to earnings for the state pension in the 80's?. From experience, this effected my gran, who had brought up my dad by herself and worked 3 jobs when she was widowed very young, only to find herself shafted by Thatcher in her retirement.

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over a year ago

"so maybe the question should be do we give ANY PM this type of funeral......"

It's not in keeping with other previous PM's and that is what annoys me. It's a state funeral in all but name and there is no precedent fo it.

A slight tangent but The Daiily mail are slating Birmingham's Labour Council for refusing to fly their townhall flags. They have dismissed the somewhat valid point that the last time the flags were at half mast for a previous PM was in 1967 for Clement Attlee who had links to the city.

And in someways I think that is what is annoying people, there is no precedent for a funeral of this scale, we are in the midst of a recession and millions are being spent on this.

To return to the original point of the thread, the rules that enable MP's to claim costs if parliament is recalled have long been in place, are nothing to do with the funeral and I'm pretty sure most of those complaining would not expect to foot the bill if their holiday was cut short due to their employment.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

I was born the year she became PM, that does not mean I was not effected by her and her cronies, nor does it mean I havent a clue or am I uneducated about her.

Its like saying, you weren't alive when Hitler was about so what would you know.

However, I have been somewhat sickened as to have read some things on the social network sites and even the news websites even though I didn't like a lot of what she did and stood for.

Anyway, as for whether tax payers should pay towards a former PM's funeral, I agree to an extent. Unfortunately, I imagine a lot of the money spent on the funeral will be for police presence

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over a year ago

Repatriated is the word not invaded

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"Look she his a mother and a grandmother lets leave it at that ? she gone all the the bollacks was done 30 year ago sorry ? we want peace in the Middle East that more important now

I don't understand what her being a mother/grandmother has to do with the price of

It's a futile attempt to make her out to be human. is this the arms dealer son who was involved in a failed coup and the daughter who called a black tennis player a golliwog?

they're hardly a credit to her

But we are not burying them are we so that's another irrelevant unpleasant point dealt with

as is the original point about her being a parent. its that i was referring to.

are only pleasant points valid?

It's her funeral not anyone else's, any respect due is for her alone, I wonder if people made comments about relatives when Churchill was buried

or disrespect. the fscy the was a parent isn't important.

Josef Stalin was a parent. So was Ghenghis Khan. its a bogus point to say oh she was someone mother. its immaterial

How can you draw a comparison between Mrs T and Joseph Stalin?

It's utterly ridiculous to even try...

It depends on your point of _iew.

Saying someone is a parent by way of allaying criticism is daft!

No its not dependant on any point of _iew, there is no comparison to be drawn between the two.

For starters he was a dictator and she was duly elected by the voting public 3 times. I also don't think she was responsible for purges and mass executions of over 20 million people either...

But he was good to Svetlana.

Which is a ridiculous argument no matter what he did.

But it's ok to use it with Thatcher?

Its immaterial.

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over a year ago

"so maybe the question should be do we give ANY PM this type of funeral......

It's not in keeping with other previous PM's and that is what annoys me. It's a state funeral in all but name and there is no precedent fo it.

And in someways I think that is what is annoying people, there is no precedent for a funeral of this scale, we are in the midst of a recession and millions are being spent on this.

Churchill ?

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over a year ago

I lived, worked and was made redundant under Thatcher. There was a saying at the time in the Civil service "It won't get past the handbag". No matter what the merits of an idea were, if Thatcher did not agree, there was no point in considering it.

I was in Wales when it was finally announced that the total cost to the country of the Miners strike ('84 - '85) worked out at £172,000 per redundant miner (about £0.5M today).

A welsh miner was inter_iewed on telly about this and said " I would have gone willingly for a £100,000 myself". He had a point.

Still RIP** Iron Lady

** Rust in pieces

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"A welsh miner was inter_iewed on telly about this and said " I would have gone willingly for a £100,000 myself". He had a point."

That just about says it all about socialism doesn't it lol.. Wave some cash about and it is quickly cast aside.

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Going back to the cost of her funeral, I'd like to know where this £10m figure is derived from.

The police officers on duty on the day would have been working somewhere that day anyway and paid to do so.

The army personnel on duty next Wed would have been on duty somewhere next Wed and paid for it also.

Her family are meeting the costs for transportation, flowers and the cremation, which I think it correct they should do, and the taxpayer is footing the bill for security, which we have already done in the wages of the police and army anyway.

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"A welsh miner was inter_iewed on telly about this and said " I would have gone willingly for a £100,000 myself". He had a point.

That just about says it all about socialism doesn't it lol.. Wave some cash about and it is quickly cast aside.

Twice in a day bring presumptuous wishy! Perhaps this miner was not a socialist just a poor hardworking man who thanks to a majority vote by his union was forced to strike. In the process not bringing any money hone to the table. I bet many would have had the buyout if it were available

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So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap.

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"A welsh miner was inter_iewed on telly about this and said " I would have gone willingly for a £100,000 myself". He had a point.

That just about says it all about socialism doesn't it lol.. Wave some cash about and it is quickly cast aside.

Vote? What vote? It was an illegal strike as the members were never balloted which is why Nottinghamshire miners never came out and were vilified as scabs.

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"So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap."

All leave in the Met has been cancelled.

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"So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap."

I could be wrong here but I was under the impression that a % of the police and army are always kept in reserve to be drafted in where needed if needed.

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"So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap.

I could be wrong here but I was under the impression that a % of the police and army are always kept in reserve to be drafted in where needed if needed."

So there are police and army sitting about doing nothing just incase there is a funeral they need to go to?

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"So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap.

All leave in the Met has been cancelled."

So overtime payments or at least more shifts to be paid for.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Anyway enough of the party political broadcast on behalf of the 'Die hard Tory'.....

Back to the funeral....

The Met Police have already been warning the Home Office (as TraMar) can no doubt confirm) about the high possibility of riots on the streets of London this summer.....BEFORE Thatchers death... does the government not think that by organising this lavish funeral that there will be significant demonstrations of discontent to accompany the funeral next Wednesday?

Or.....is that playing right into their hands?

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"So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap.

All leave in the Met has been cancelled.

So overtime payments or at least more shifts to be paid for."

Thatcher is responsible for more police overtime than anyone who ever existed.

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over a year ago

"Anyway enough of the party political broadcast on behalf of the 'Die hard Tory'.....

Back to the funeral....

Or.....is that playing right into their hands?"

I think you need to speak to Ian Bone about that. He seems to favour a return to rioting in Trafalgar Square next Wed.

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over a year ago

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"So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap.

All leave in the Met has been cancelled.

So overtime payments or at least more shifts to be paid for.

Thatcher is responsible for more police overtime than anyone who ever existed. "

A police officer relative of my other half made enough overtime from the miners strike to buy a lovely little share in a French cottage.....

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"So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap.

I could be wrong here but I was under the impression that a % of the police and army are always kept in reserve to be drafted in where needed if needed.

So there are police and army sitting about doing nothing just incase there is a funeral they need to go to?"

Ongoing training is something that is always happening in both forces. I believe if every single soldier and every single officer is deployed at all times then they are severely overstretched.

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"So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap.

I could be wrong here but I was under the impression that a % of the police and army are always kept in reserve to be drafted in where needed if needed.

So there are police and army sitting about doing nothing just incase there is a funeral they need to go to?

Ongoing training is something that is always happening in both forces. I believe if every single soldier and every single officer is deployed at all times then they are severely overstretched."

So either on courses or sat round waiting....hhmmmm .

So do you really believe that this funeral won't have a police bill bigger than a normal working police day?

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"So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap.

I could be wrong here but I was under the impression that a % of the police and army are always kept in reserve to be drafted in where needed if needed.

So there are police and army sitting about doing nothing just incase there is a funeral they need to go to?

Ongoing training is something that is always happening in both forces. I believe if every single soldier and every single officer is deployed at all times then they are severely overstretched.

So either on courses or sat round waiting....hhmmmm .

So do you really believe that this funeral won't have a police bill bigger than a normal working police day?"

only 11 per

cent of police officers are available for front

line duties at any given time. presumably two thirds at least are rotared off. they can't all be sitting about eating doughnuts

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"So if they were to be working elsewhere anyway, who is going to take their place as they are policing the funeral?

I am guessing more policmen drafted in to fill the gap.

I could be wrong here but I was under the impression that a % of the police and army are always kept in reserve to be drafted in where needed if needed.

So there are police and army sitting about doing nothing just incase there is a funeral they need to go to?

Ongoing training is something that is always happening in both forces. I believe if every single soldier and every single officer is deployed at all times then they are severely overstretched.

So either on courses or sat round waiting....hhmmmm .

So do you really believe that this funeral won't have a police bill bigger than a normal working police day?"

Yes, I'm sure the bill will be higher than for a normal working day, but her funeral has been budgeted for for a long time. Unlike Diana who died suddenly, Mrs Thatcher's health had been in decline for a number of years so it's not like untold millions needed to be found quickly to pay for her funeral, the money was already there.

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over a year ago

Reckon they will need more than 8 million foe policing alone!"

Maggies private army get a load of overtime ....again.

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Then I will disregard your first post on it that the police are there anyway as you are now agreeing it will cost more.

Mind...it matters not wether the money is sat there or not....the fact it is tax payers money paying for it and wether it is right is more the issue.

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over a year ago

Torquay

I doubt very much if part of the Met Police budget has been set aside in an ISA waiting for the eventual death of Thatcher.....

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over a year ago

Torquay

Reckon they will need more than 8 million foe policing alone!

Maggies private army get a load of overtime ....again."

They ceased to become the Tory parties private army when Cameron and Co. started to lay them off and erode their job benefits in large numbers....

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"Then I will disregard your first post on it that the police are there anyway as you are now agreeing it will cost more.

Mind...it matters not wether the money is sat there or not....the fact it is tax payers money paying for it and wether it is right is more the issue.

I believe we would look like poor relations if we couldn't give one of our most famous leaders and great funeral. Love her or loathe her she was our leader for 11 years. Will Blair get the same treatment when he goes? I suspect not, so there is some merit as to why Thatcher should get a state funeral. Maybe it's because she is a Baroness? Friend of the Queen, hence her Maj's attendance? Who knows. But it's going to happen regardless of who wants it to or not.

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over a year ago

Her family are paying for the funeral also the undertaking, the state pays for every prime ministers service, security etc. As it shall be with her.

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By *onboy45Couple
over a year ago

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The family are multi millionaire let them pay for the funeral. She was a total arsewipe

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

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Wont money need to be spent on road closures also, which I presume will require police funding?

Makes you wonder though if they have this much cash stashed away for a funeral how much else have they got?

Or am I just cynical

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over a year ago

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It would be great one day for an answer without any reference to a different party.

Lots of people seem to disagree with a lot of what you have just said...but obviously a lot will....like I said, marmite.

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over a year ago

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"I doubt very much if part of the Met Police budget has been set aside in an ISA waiting for the eventual death of Thatcher.....

Maybe it's in the offshore accounts Dave's dad recommended using

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over a year ago

Why should society pay for it? According to the owd witch, there was no such thing as society. Ken Loach has the right idea, put it up for tender and let the family pay for the cheapest option.

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over a year ago

"It would be great one day for an answer without any reference to a different party.

Lots of people seem to disagree with a lot of what you have just said...but obviously a lot will....like I said, marmite."

If we were discussing a footballer or an actor we wouldn't be referencing political parties but Thatcher was a politician for the Conservative Party, so it's inevitable that her politics would be brought into any debate about the woman, her legacy, and ultimately, her funeral.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

? What was the question again ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reckon they will need more than 8 million foe policing alone!

Maggies private army get a load of overtime ....again.

They ceased to become the Tory parties private army when Cameron and Co. started to lay them off and erode their job benefits in large numbers....

its not just the rank and file who are

pissed off with it either. it filters right up

to the top. the police are no friends of the

present Govt. My brother can't wait to get

out. He's got an app on his phone counting

down the days.

To pick up another point, summer riots are

not their biggest concern at the moment.

they're worried about something much

worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've not heard a single constructive articulate well-thought out criticism of Mrs Thatcher at all that didn't include the word 'evil'. She wasn't evil. Hitler was evil."

How about this, supply side/trickle down economics does not and has never worked long term in any society it has ever been instigated. It seems there certainly are some ignorant, uneducated fools around. Just remind us where you studied economics!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the point is that they are not doing anything any differently to that done by for other prime minister's in that the family pays for the funeral.. and the state pays for security matters around it...

some pm's exoressly ask not to have the ceremonial occasion and to be buried privately

remember in her will, she had asked not for a full state funeral and asked not to be kept lying in state... such as what happened for churchill

people are so divided along party lines they fail to see what has happened in the past in occordance to tradition in these matters....

the same curtosy will be afforded to blair when he passes.. and to major... and to brown... heck... even cameron... if they decide they want it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just remind us where you studied economics!"

The School of Life & Hard Knocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fabio. Fabs voice of reason. Well said that man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Give me a shovel, ill bury the fucker personally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the point is that they are not doing anything any differently to that done by for other prime minister's in that the family pays for the funeral.. and the state pays for security matters around it...

some pm's exoressly ask not to have the ceremonial occasion and to be buried privately

remember in her will, she had asked not for a full state funeral and asked not to be kept lying in state... such as what happened for churchill

people are so divided along party lines they fail to see what has happened in the past in occordance to tradition in these matters....

the same curtosy will be afforded to blair when he passes.. and to major... and to brown... heck... even cameron... if they decide they want it..."

Not quite correct james callaghan, ted heath to name but two did not get this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slight change of subject here, but not completely off topic, but SIR Mark Thatcher ? Really ? !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some pm's exoressly ask not to have the ceremonial occasion and to be buried privately

remember in her will, she had asked not for a full state funeral and asked not to be kept lying in state... such as what happened for churchill

people are so divided along party lines they fail to see what has happened in the past in occordance to tradition in these matters....

the same curtosy will be afforded to blair when he passes.. and to major... and to brown... heck... even cameron... if they decide they want it...

Not quite correct james callaghan, ted heath to name but two did not get this."

Only four Prime Ministers have been given a state funeral: The Duke of Wellington, Viscount Palmerston, Churchill, and William Gladstone.

Prime Ministers are not given a state or ceremonial funeral routinely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Slight change of subject here, but not completely off topic, but SIR Mark Thatcher ? Really ? !!

Mrs Thatcher was a life peer. Her title does not pass to her children. Has it been confirmed Mark is to get a knighthood?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've not heard a single constructive articulate well-thought out criticism of Mrs Thatcher at all that didn't include the word 'evil'. She wasn't evil. Hitler was evil."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Slight change of subject here, but not completely off topic, but SIR Mark Thatcher ? Really ? !!

Mrs Thatcher was a life peer. Her title does not pass to her children. Has it been confirmed Mark is to get a knighthood?"

He already has one lol.. I didn't know that.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

some pm's exoressly ask not to have the ceremonial occasion and to be buried privately

remember in her will, she had asked not for a full state funeral and asked not to be kept lying in state... such as what happened for churchill

people are so divided along party lines they fail to see what has happened in the past in occordance to tradition in these matters....

the same curtosy will be afforded to blair when he passes.. and to major... and to brown... heck... even cameron... if they decide they want it..."

Thatcher will be only the Fifth Prime Minister to be afforded a St Pauls funeral....and the first since Churchill.

It's not common practice at all, both Heath and Wilson had private funerals.

Thatcher would have revelled in the limelight, all this nonsense about her not wanting a State funeral, then why not a private service in a church in her hometown?....If she was adamant that she only wanted a private funeral, then why hasn't that wish been adhered to by her family?.....could it be that she never said she didn't want to be seen as a modern day Churchill?

Lets not make out that this sort of funeral is offered to all UK Prime Ministers....because it's not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Slight change of subject here, but not completely off topic, but SIR Mark Thatcher ? Really ? !!

Mrs Thatcher was a life peer. Her title does not pass to her children. Has it been confirmed Mark is to get a knighthood?

He already has one lol.. I didn't know that. "

According to Wiki it was given to Denis when she became a Baroness and was passed down to Mark on his death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Slight change of subject here, but not completely off topic, but SIR Mark Thatcher ? Really ? !!

its hereditary

no i didn't know they existed either

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over a year ago

I'm just curious as to why Thatcher is still getting a state funeral when she expressly stated in her will she didn't want one?

Who's decision was it to over-ride someones last wishes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the state pays the bill, does that make her a benefit scrounger ?????

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over a year ago

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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I though 'Sir' Mark was knighted for his services to overthrowing foreign governments?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Slight change of subject here, but not completely off topic, but SIR Mark Thatcher ? Really ? !!

Mrs Thatcher was a life peer. Her title does not pass to her children. Has it been confirmed Mark is to get a knighthood?

He already has one lol.. I didn't know that. "

Ah, got it now. Mark inherited the Baronetcy from his father when he passed away. Mark is Sir Mark Thatcher, 2nd Baronet

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"I'm just curious as to why Thatcher is still getting a state funeral when she expressly stated in her will she didn't want one?

Who's decision was it to over-ride someones last wishes?"

Her will won't have been read yet, but I suspect she always wanted to be seen as a modern day Churchill.

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By *hoosy_strumpetCouple
over a year ago

W S AREA

some pm's exoressly ask not to have the ceremonial occasion and to be buried privately

remember in her will, she had asked not for a full state funeral and asked not to be kept lying in state... such as what happened for churchill

people are so divided along party lines they fail to see what has happened in the past in occordance to tradition in these matters....

the same curtosy will be afforded to blair when he passes.. and to major... and to brown... heck... even cameron... if they decide they want it...

Thatcher will be only the Fifth Prime Minister to be afforded a St Pauls funeral....and the first since Churchill.

It's not common practice at all, both Heath and Wilson had private funerals.

Lets not make out that this sort of funeral is offered to all UK Prime Ministers....because it's not."

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"It would be great one day for an answer without any reference to a different party.

Lots of people seem to disagree with a lot of what you have just said...but obviously a lot will....like I said, marmite.

I think you missed what I meant....I meant most times that you answer a question it always has to bring in another political party, so it would be great one day that you just answer a question instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would be great one day for an answer without any reference to a different party.

Lots of people seem to disagree with a lot of what you have just said...but obviously a lot will....like I said, marmite.

If we could guarantee that someone else wouldn't answer it with a political response then maybe we could have a basic questions and answers thread, but I can't see that happening with some of the characters we have on here.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Ah well, it was just a thought, it is up to you if you want to try and score points everytime you post on political posts....I just think it takes away what you are trying to get across

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I thought this was apt....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EucJIl0uonE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I live in Northern England, lived & voted throughout the Thatcher years, frankly a state burial is the minimum I consider this woman merits. I move for beatification, saint Margaret has a lovely ring to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A welsh miner was inter_iewed on telly about this and said " I would have gone willingly for a £100,000 myself". He had a point.

That just about says it all about socialism doesn't it lol.. Wave some cash about and it is quickly cast aside.

Fishy, fishy, fishy. Yet again quoting things out of context. Quote the whole thing if you want to support your argument.

I was generous of spirit two days ago to say that some of the vile things written in this forum were uncalled for. You couldn't even bring yourself to acknowledge that.

Instead, you choose only to attack. You also seem to be in a quandary over whether you are a compassionate person or not. Only last week you were foaming about the fact that you didn't care about other people - or at least those outside of your own family - yet here we are this week and you're wringing your hands with sanctimonious incredulity for a woman who didn't even know you existed.

Still, I'm sure the Fishy fan club will be along in a minute, declaring their love for you.

Articulate you might be, compassionate you certainly aren't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A welsh miner was inter_iewed on telly about this and said " I would have gone willingly for a £100,000 myself". He had a point.

That just about says it all about socialism doesn't it lol.. Wave some cash about and it is quickly cast aside.

Fishy, fishy, fishy. Yet again quoting things out of context. Quote the whole thing if you want to support your argument.

I was generous of spirit two days ago to say that some of the vile things written in this forum were uncalled for. You couldn't even bring yourself to acknowledge that.

Still, I'm sure the Fishy fan club will be along in a minute, declaring their love for you.

Articulate you might be, compassionate you certainly aren't. "

Wringing my hands? Hardly.

My belief is that by not giving one of our most famous leaders a good funeral would send out a message to other countries that we can't afford it. If Mrs Thatcher had made it abundantly clear she wished for a private family only service then I'm sure that's what would take place next Wednesday and I wouldn't give a damn about it. She obviously didn't make that request or that's what would be happening next week, but she did specifically say she didn't want to lie in state, and that's not happening next week is it.

No, I'm not a compassionate person but that's purely down to my nature and that's how I've always been, even as a child. I don't wish people dead though, and I'd never stand by and watch a smaller man being beaten up by a bigger guy - but if they were an equal match I'd let them get on with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just made a mental note not to stay at the Ritz.

Or the one in Paris

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A welsh miner was inter_iewed on telly about this and said " I would have gone willingly for a £100,000 myself". He had a point.

That just about says it all about socialism doesn't it lol.. Wave some cash about and it is quickly cast aside.

Fishy, fishy, fishy. Yet again quoting things out of context. Quote the whole thing if you want to support your argument.

I was generous of spirit two days ago to say that some of the vile things written in this forum were uncalled for. You couldn't even bring yourself to acknowledge that.

Still, I'm sure the Fishy fan club will be along in a minute, declaring their love for you.

Articulate you might be, compassionate you certainly aren't.

Wringing my hands? Hardly.

You've barely scratched the surface of my response to you there. You seem very good at the sound bite, Fishy, but responding comprehensively seems to be - well - beyond you.

The disabled references last week were frankly offensive and sickening.

For the record, I think that a state occasion is entirely appropriate. It's because I have an open mind. You should try it. It's very liberating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just made a mental note not to stay at the Ritz.

Or the one in Paris"

Yeah, you'de have to be crackers to stay there!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........Under Callaghan you could only get a loan if you had 1/3 of the amount you needed. If you wanted £3,000 you had to already have £1,000. Thatcher scrapped that nonsense too which permitted millions of people to buy their own homes and for banks to sell mortgage products.

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And look how well that worked out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The money would be far better spent on disabled vets from the Falklands in giving the people she sent to be maimed have a more comfortable existence.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"I'm just curious as to why Thatcher is still getting a state funeral when she expressly stated in her will she didn't want one?

Who's decision was it to over-ride someones last wishes?"

given camerons 'standing' as a leader and the tories poll ratings its an absolute no brainer to don the rose tinted specs, eulogise and elevate her to the same position in death that Churchill and the Royal family were at..

Politics i think its called..

personal opinion is its over the top, not fitting for someone of her status and by what has been disclosed she would not want to be used in such a way..

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By *kip123Man
over a year ago

Barry

As per Lady Thatchers wishes, she is NOT having a state funeral as would normally be given to a person of her standing. It is a ceremonial funeral. Very expensive I agree but A lot less expensive and well deserved. When the date arrives just read and take a look at the heads of state worldwide that will attend.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I must have slept through the part of the Thatcher regime when she stopped a nuclear war between the USA and the Soviet Union (It wasn't Russia by the way)....

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